Thứ Năm, 27 tháng 10, 2016

Social Chat - Short Term TSLA Movements part 2

  • 1/1/2015
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    Completely disagree brian. If you want to sell an at the money put for the next 14 months as tesla goes up, you have to walk the strike price of those puts up. The difference is that you have to make 1 correct call now with the LEAP put, or you have to make 14 correct calls and not have a crash during that time. Let's say the price rises 10 dollars each month for the next 7 months, like it did this year from about april to december. You sell the 160, then you sell the 170, then you sell the 180 etc until you're at the 230 on month seven. Then on month 8 it is down 40 dollars, just like tesla did now. Because you sold the 230 put for only 3 dollars, and you just lost 40 dollars that month, you've lost all the money you've made plus more.
    Each situation has its perks, neither is truly better.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Your first sentence and your last sentence disagree. I agree with your last sentence. :)

    I wasn't suggesting there wasn't merit in the long PUTs. My point was that they can often be beat, and the flexibility can sometimes open up dramatic opportunities. But yes, if you see the current price as a local low that you think might represent a long-term low then locking in the long PUT can be simple and easy -- kind of like locking in a fixed interest rate on your mortgage.
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    Touche, man, touche. I did shoot myself in the foot with that opening sentence.
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    Ugh, my nov 1 160 order for .80 didn't get filled at open. I should have known better and placed it at .85. Oh well, next time.
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    I thought as well that the dip at the opening was a possible good deal, and same story: order not executed.
    But consedering the intraday swings, who knows what numbers we will see again today...

    And I bought it, just a few of them at 1.1. Not the cheapest I could have had them, but OK, at least I see some green today!!!
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Yeah, the reason I'm not selling puts at a shorter term is because I am in an IRA and can't use margin which changes the way you look at selling options. Mostly I want the higher premium to reduce the amount of cash I need to secure it. I have a core equity position but didn't want to buy calls because of the premium and felt that I wanted a little bit less risk than buying more shares directly. On margin I might be selling multiple puts into the earnings call but until I am maxing out all the contributions to my tax-free accounts I won't be getting into that type of thing.
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    Just when you think the tide is turning, the selling into strength resumes....
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  • 1/1/2015
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    It's earnings time and Tesla has been always prone to volatility. I call what we are a "crossover period" where significant events occur that test execution. The last time Tesla was down for the month was in Feb and Dec. It's not coincidence that significant events occurred in the months that were before earnings and right when Tesla was communicating a lot more.

    We're down because people want to see execution on a global scale. They want to see if Tesla can take the "heat" and have what it takes. There's pressure and arguments made that Tesla will fail on both the demand side, and if there is demand they won't be able to fulfill it. I seriously hope Musk and co. proves the market wrong again. Not even fully for monetary purposes (but that would be sweet), but just to prove the naysayers wrong out of pride.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    What's this NASDAQ options outage about?

    Nice to see TSLA picking up a little at the end here.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    I must say, I am getting increasingly confident about this Tuesday. The short percentage must be close to where it was before Q1. The stock is the "weakest" it's been since the beginning of this year and I think shorts are trying to take full advantage of that. I don't see how earnings could be bad though. The #s will either be good or great, I can't see demand not being huge, supply constraints should be almost fixed, model x details should be coming , etc. My gut is telling me this is going to be epic.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    +1. I now officially think a "meh" Q3 is priced in.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    I'm starting to feel more confident as well. I sold 45 puts for 145 nov and was nervous the last few weeks, but I'm starting to feel more confident as well. If earnings creates a little pop I think the shorts may turn it into a large pop. At least that is what I'm hoping for. I have a lot riding on these options and really hope earnings goes smoothly. Also that nobody says anything stupid like the Apple guy did or Musk say ANYTHING about over valued, etc. It's time for them to watch what they say, give great guidance, and regain some of the losses.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    It's definitely going to be epic. Question is will it be a good epic or bad epic :) What my biggest concern is that Tesla will be conservative about future guidance and that will hurt us. All these companies are now taking the apple approach of low ball then blowout your own expectations and the market is starting to catch on. I really hope Musk doesn't get too conservative. This is the time to show what they're made of. If they have a good quarter but get conservative then that can really hurt and cause things to plummet. I'm sure that's not what they want so I hope they take that into consideration.

    In regards to shorts covering, I actually think if there is an initial small pop, most shorts won't cover b/c they'll wait for a fade (this has happened a lot recently) and if the fade doesn't happen then there will be another pop as shorts cover and then a few days later as they get margin calls. This would be best case scenario in my opinion. That we start making a consistent and strong move upwards.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Let's hope all that popping is done <Nov 16th. I've debating getting into more calls over the past few days, but I think I just need to ride into this ER with what I've got and thank my lucky stars if we see the good sort of epic.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Well my original plays were somewhat hinging on hedges in the middle and on earnings day. I've somewhat alleviated with averaging down and moving to lower strikes when price differences have gotten smaller so I now mostly sit on Nov 170 and Dec 175s, but I'm currenlty 70% invested in Tsla options at various expirations that have taken a 40% loss so far. Solar is the rest and that has balanced out some and kept me overall ca 25% down.

    my big dilemma is now on my total risk exposure and I don't see a good way to reduce risk without taking heavy losses and making break even even harder. I will probably still hedge the November ones with $185 strikes no matter what their price just to reduce risk and to still be able to make it into the green and hope for profit on the Dec, Mar, Jan options...
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    It really got me worried when he says that they're not likely to get acquired at their current stock price and laughed. Seems like he really thinks the stock price is over valued and a joke and doesn't mind things staying at this level for a while. Or that he doesn't want it to go up much more too fast b/c it's probably not too health for the company? Not sure. He also seemed very reserved and played things down a lot.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Personally I would prefer it if Tesla's leadership team, including Elon, not comment on the stock price, because the press just misuses these statements in order to make click-bait headlines.

    My response to any question on the stock price would be, "I don't know. It's up to the market to decide what our company is worth."
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  • 1/1/2015
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    The press is going to do their thing anyway. I encourage Elon to stay Elon
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Has the street already taken into account the positive cash flow statement?
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    I thought positive cash flow just meant they make money on each car, but since they reinvest it in the business, it doesn't show up as profit?
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    How is that different from being "profitable"?
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    Profitable has to do with the Income Statement whereas the phrase "positive cash flow" deals with the Statement of Cash Flows.

    Here are a few links that describe the various financial statements (Balance Sheet, Income Statement, and Statement of Cash Flows), and their similarities/differences:
    http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/begfinstmtguide.htm
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  • 1/1/2015
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    You quoted me and then I decide to delete my post. But here is an article:

    http://www.bizfilings.com/toolkit/sbg/finance/cash-flow/cash-flow-and-profit.aspx

    That explains it well I think... I realized my comment doesn't really explain any difference between cash flow and profit but I think when people think of a company being profitable they really think cash flow first. Profit is sort of more complicated.
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    Yes, good interview, thanks for posting!

    And it confirms the goal is now in fact 10,000 (to 15,000), annually, just for Germany (as opposed to for the whole of Europe, the context in which this number was mentioned in earlier times). (EDIT: By end of next year, I think.)
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  • 1/1/2015
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    This would mean that we need a real Tesla factory also in Europe. Don't you think so?
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Yes, I guess it's just a question of time, at which point it will start being the more cost-effective solution, given that Tesla also needs to invest in Model X production facilities in a similar time frame. And it will be reducing CO2 as well, of course, so I m sure they will make this step as soon as it starts making sense in terms of the larger picture.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Yes I also reacted to this one, it was the only thing that made me irk throughout the whole interview.. Besides that it was great.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    I too didn't like that, but he might not have thought them overpriced, but instead that no other car company would have the finances to buy them. Ford has a market cap of $66B, GM has $52B, Volkswagen $85B. So buying a company that is 25-35% of your own market cap might be hard. So it's again down to interpretation and I'm not sure anyone but us is going to interpret the proper way, we'll probably see again and again headlines that EM thinks Tesla is overvalued too etc.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    I think he meant most car companies don't have the bank balance to buy them. He has already said the TSLA is going higher higher in the long run.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    To me it looks like it was recorded in the Munich store.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Elon needs to change his answer to the valuation question as others have said. It's the one thing he has done that has irritated me since it's so easy to answer it in a way that can't be turned against the company and the stock.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Elon uses tongue in cheek logic based humor. "It's not as crazy to short Tesla now" - translation: before they were super crazy $30-to-$120+ now they are just crazy $160-to-$250. His comment on stock price and valuation is simply that the other car companies couldn't afford Tesla based on market cap ratios. Besides he holds a ton of stock and has effective control of the company and the board. He might possibly let it go for $200B if he would believe the future owners to have the same sustainability vision as his. That scale of capital might actually get him to Mars. But I don't think anyone has $200B loose change in the kitty to throw at a fledling car company, so it seems he will have to see the project through to completion if his end game is to live on Mars in style.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    170$ just fell....... man an epic short squeeze just like old times after ER would be.....................probably too much :-D at this point I'm done..... I'm just resigned to my destiny.....I'll just wait for my spreads to expire............patient...........calm.............relaxed......................!!:scared:!!
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  • 1/1/2015
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    This is the TSLA I remember.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    I agree but some topics are just not worth him talking about. I agree with anti... that stock price is probably one of them. Another (extreme) example is current events involving drama with the children of politicians.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    point taken-
    (on the other hand, it can provide some entry point opportunities :) )
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  • 1/1/2015
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    I just sold my last 3D printer shares. Been in since mid 2011-ish (before the Greek debt fiasco), booking a total gain of ~500%. Sold 80% of my stake last December since I wasn't paying attention any longer, but apparently the trend has continued. Amazing the sort of luck it is possible to have with stock picks...I guess everyone is an expert in a bull market.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Nice run. Maybe the November 16th $180s I paid $18 will crawl back to a not insane level of loss :).

    Not much for me to do for the earnings call. I've already got 175s and those 180s. Even with a good ER, I'm mostly just hoping that break even around $195 is attainable. The chances of making any real money are small given the mid-teen premiums I paid a few weeks ago, but getting out with most of my skin intact would be a good result at this point.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Wow, three Seeking Alpha negative articles in one day. I feel like they are trying too hard.

    EDIT: Oh they weren't the same day. My mistake.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    I have some 170Nov8th calls that are just a bit in the green. Friday they had lost half their value...so I know your pain/situation. Good luck.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    I'm hanging on to my bright red Nov 200's. They were throbbing a little less today, but still have a ways to get to green. I did however temporary reassign some solar winnings to Nov 16 170's that are nicely green. I'm really debating whether or not I should lock in the gains sometime tomorrow and then let the 200's play until expiration? Obviously the 170's stand to gain much more to the 16th, but as they're in my tax free account, I'm a little more risk adverse and tend to scalp more.

    I also picked up a bit more stock in the 160's, I'm still mad at myself for offloading some a while back.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    I need TSLA to have a beat. If it makes my bright red options go green I'm gonna pop some bubbly
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Im with you. I finally decided to buy my model S if we get a little pop, need Elon to come through for me.
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    Excellent decision, good luck!
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  • 1/1/2015
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    I got an email from my broker saying I needed to call them or have my options approval rescinded. I called and they said they were concerned about my losses from Oct. I said "yeah that sucks. You are aware I am still up 400% for the year on my options?" He was actually cool about it and removed the threat. With today I am halfway back for Oct losses. Very exciting!
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    Haha.
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    Consider hedging with Nov $200's for example. It allows you to reduce the cost basis for the spread and still leaves a bit for profit possible.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Yeah nice comeback austinEV. I got the same thing last year after AAPL finished crashing. My understanding is, there's a pretty stiff regulatory environment on Options trading for these brokerages and they have to show active monitoring.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Not sure what you mean on this. You mean buying Nov 200s puts?
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  • 1/1/2015
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    I think he means selling Nov 200 calls. The money you receive will reduce your total cash outlay. Might bring your break even down to ~$195ish Your max profit is if tesla goes to $199.99 on Friday.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Yes, I meant selling Nov $200 calls in the same amount you bought the $180's. This reduces your cost somewhat and lowers the break even point at the cost of limiting upside. I'd sell the strike that you think will barely be reached if at all yet gives you still profit if done so. That's why i suggested $200 and not $195 as the latter basically causes you to have almost no upside potential, just break even... You might consider $205 too...

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    PS! This is recovery play trying to get back to green, not a strong ER big profit play. Thought to clarify. If you think it'll blow past $200 then don't hedge that low. I personally don't expect TSLA to exceed the ATH in time for November expiration so wouldn't bet too much over $195.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    I agree and took similar action. I had Nov 200s that were almost worthless compared to what I paid for them, I sold them last week and used the capital to make a $170/$190 spread. I actually got to keep a small amount. Making a $170/$200 would've required an additional debit. Even though I had lost 75% of my initial capital the $170/190 spread will get it all back for me if TSLA finishes ~$188 with a tiny amount of profit if it finishes higher. A lot better chances than the >200 that was required just for the call to be worth anything. In this case anything above $170 will give me some capital back.

    I'm more than fine with that hedge as I still have DEC $200s for the chance the ER brings us to ATHs and there is time for that to happen with them. Before yesterday they were worth 1/4th what I paid, now worth 1/2....haha. If the ER doesn't look good I will probably dump them first thing in the morning for whatever I can get for them before IV crunch is complete.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Here is to a solid Q3 ER with a great guidance from Elon and Tesla today. Good luck to all. I am sure the next 24 hours will be full of chatter here on TMC...hopefully 'happy' chatter:biggrin:
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Was that paper losses they were concerned about?
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    Indeed I hope that this will become an epic celebratory thread and not the TMC support group
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  • 1/1/2015
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    You guys think if Q3 is a great call/guidance that we will break 200+ this week?
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    If only we had a magic ball :)
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Indeed! Also, we must keep alive the tradition that was started by some forum members a couple of weeks ago where they used to have a glass of wine in the name of Tesla :smile:
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Well I just had a bottle of champagne with my colleagues due to my B-day and I have two more bottles in the fridge for the evening.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Awesome, dubbel whammy for you today! Congrats and enjoy, I have a feeling tonight is going to be good :wink:
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Is it megalomanic of me to think that this forum's analysis, and Sleepyhead's preview in particular is what sparked the current rally? The timing was impeccable.
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    Just aligned with the proximity of the earnings report.
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    Have a happy one Mario! :wink:

    The bottles will help either onw way or the other...........!!
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Can my European and left coast friends do 8pm EST? Hope to toast then (and not drown my sorrows!)
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    Well that's 3AM. If I'm still up and drinking by that time then it must have been a VERY bad report ;)
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Well that's zwei uhr in der fruehe. i've been working night shift the last three nights so I'm in a pretty good shape. we should at least stay sober until the conference call is finished.
    i got 75mins of Elon at munich, but will not publish it on youtube.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Not sure what would qualify as a paper loss. It is in an IRA so I figure its all unrealized until I retire. I did sell and rebuy similar options (missed out on some of the downturn but not much). So if it was in a cash account I would have booked losses and taken new cheap positions which are technically profitable right now. But I don't worry about such things in a tax deferred account.

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    TMC members are smart but we don't move the stock. If we did, we would ban all bearish comments and profit!
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  • 1/1/2015
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    I wouldn't be too sure of that. This sub-forum has more visitors (i.e. people who don't log in) reading it, by far, than any other section of TMC. My guess is that more than a few of these are serious investors do their due diligence.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    That was some crazy $2-$3 spike that sent it up around $175. I'm guessing that was a short covering. TSLA is sinking back down to $173.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Yup yup yup. Basically 24/7 commentary & analysis on everything Tesla has done, is doing, and will do, by individuals who actually care about the company. Doesn't matter who you are, this is some of the best info one could get before investing in the company.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    so 1h until we enter group hug territory that will either be followed by intense sobbing or glorious celebrations with loads of wine/champagne...
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  • 1/1/2015
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    If professional analysts can't be bothered to do their diligence here, what percentage of common investors do? 1%? I see a few hundred people browsing these threads right now. There must be thousands or hundreds of thousands of people who own shares. I like to think we get read by zillions of people but I doubt it. People get their news from lots of places. I followed Tesla for months before checking out TMC specifically because there was so much to read-- daunting.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    I think we still have an hedge....but most of the smart investors are (should be) onto us by now....

    The first rule of TM Club is: you DO NOT talk about TM Club.

    p.s. tonight we will know for sure..... I'm just glad we have this group hug section...
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Attention: 20M shares short you have 1 hour and 20 minutes to cover!
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  • 1/1/2015
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    NASDAQ is in the green and taking us with it, shorts are beginning to worry about covering, and everyone is realizing they only have an hour to buy in before another legendary Tesla quarterly earnings report -- up ticks the stock.

    Regardless of what happens, the rise of this company is going to be one for the history books. Cheers everyone, grab your beverage of choice and hang on!
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  • 1/1/2015
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    The guy at the Tesla store told me about TMC when I put down my reservation. Thats how I came here :)
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  • 1/1/2015
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    It's POWER HOUR
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    I found it because I used to frequent the tesla motors forums and someone mentioned TMC there.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    2nd bottle of champagne opened for dinner. Let's hope it's good news so that I can open the third.
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    Despite my choices of decent 18-year scotch, some rare bourbons, superb Trappist Monk beer and some very fine Chateauneuf-du-Pape, I'm going with good old Bud Heavy, because TESLA FOR A NEW USA!
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  • 1/1/2015
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    I'm sitting at the same Starbucks that I was at during Q1 earnings on May 8th. Q2 earnings I was at home. It's strange I vividly remember each place I was for the past few earnings. How about you guys?
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    I actually really like the music that is on the conference call site - very relaxing!
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    I'm right where I was for Q2, in my Man Cave command center :). And I vividly remember that as well. Well said, Dave.
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    Yep. Vivid recollection.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    What does it say when there are more people viewing the Model S (around 260) category of these forums than the Investors section (around 230)? Demand is high! :)
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Going to be an odd quarter for me. I spent the last several in front of my computer on these forums; but, tonight The Piano Guys are in town. Hope I'll be able to listen in to the call at least before the concert.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    I've loaded up big-time, going to be an interesting quarter. Some hedges, here and there, but if this doesn't go well, I'll be going down with ship =)
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    Q1 conf call at home live, Q2 on north padre islands(TX) but no internet access, right now again at home, bottle still closed and listening to powerlady "Ina M�ller" check her out.
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    I remember that I was passing through customs at the airport both times. I stopped flying now, but There is a Starbucks near by, I think I will join daveT.
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    Right in front of my work desktop with monitors displaying TMC, Google finance and Tesla website. Door is closed, afternoon meeting attendance set to "tentative".
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Similar to you, but I have TMC on one screen, thinkorswim on the other. Door will close in T-10 minutes. Water in hand. Sweaty palms. Someone hold me?
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    guess one should start buying Starbucks-shares then ;)
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    So, group hug now. 17 minutes to go until d-day...
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  • 1/1/2015
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    $172K in options. Less than I have made from TSLA so far this year, but a massive amount to lose overnight. Losing circulation to fingers from massive crossing
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    holy crap that's a mega big position.
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    Gentlemen, it has been an honor. Fasten your seatbelts and see you on the other side :wink:
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  • 1/1/2015
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    I wanted to say thanks to everybody on the forum for sharing all the information here in a polite way.
    Thanks to everybody at Tesla Motors and EM for all the hard work being accomplished everyday at Tesla.
    Keep it up!
    Cheers (with a glass italian red wine) and good luck everybody!
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  • 1/1/2015
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    What is the link to the earnings call, or is that the 2:30PM PT one (5:30et) and just a written report will come out at 4pm ET?
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    Tesla - Events Presentations
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    Can you believe, there is only 14 of us "members" on this thread at this time, I would have expected many more!
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    call at this time and Press Release probably shortly after close (within 30 min from now)
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Hi everyone -- I'm a USC student looking to do a short interview with a Tesla owner in Southern California. If someone could help me out it would be greatly appreciated. I would ask you about your Tesla and what you think the future of electric cars is in Southern California. Also, I can't seem to post this as a new post, so if anyone could help me with that too that would be great! Thanks -- Sean
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    Godspeed everyone!!
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    Good luck all, my cousin is in big ($XXXk), I'm no where near that but still in a significant amount.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    Wow, I'll let others hear explain this drop to me. Quickly reading but so far looks about what we expected?
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  • 1/1/2015
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    No 2014 guidance, everything else is exactly as expected, no blowout. There is indication that GM might exceed 25% if favorable options selections continue. There is also raise to 21.5k deliveries and expected 6k cars in Q4. I have to say it's not blowout and that's maybe what the market expected. I guess what we need now is to listen to the actual CC so that we'll hear Elon's take on things that may move the stock one way or the other. The drop right now is on the meh report to not even the lows we saw past weeks.
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  • 1/1/2015
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    A beat, but maybe not as much as people had inflated their hopes to. Also no guidance for next year... a lot of companies have been rated up or down recently more based on guidance than current figures. I think they intentionally held back guidance.
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    Biggest surprise I see in here is that Model X is being "accelerated". I'm not sure whether that means they intend to deliver it earlier or if that just means that they are picking up the pace in anticipation of delivering it on time. I want to hear clarification about that on the call.
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    Well tomorrow should be interesting. Hopefully Elon and his crew work their magic during the CC and nothing Facebookish slips out.
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    I need Elon to save my Nov 200's...and in turn... me
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    That is extremely unlikely to happen though. I can't see what Elon could say that would propel the stock to >$200 now that no 2014 guidance is given (and if they didn't put it to the letter, there won't be a guidance in the CC).
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    I am sure that someone will ask though - while I am sure that it was entirely intentional that they did not include guidance in the letter, at least something more reassuring can be said, right? I have come to grips with a loss tomorrow, but come on, 10%?!
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    For people holding stock it's 10%, for people holding options it's likely 100% for most...
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    +1 yeah I was just referring to common. I am on tap for my biggest-ever loss, and even sadder it occurs with the numbers that I and many others were expecting. Oh well, won't be quitting my day job any time soon
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    Yea I wrote these options off in my mind a while ago, but come on... we went from people saying there's no demand and too many supply hiccups to this...
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    Ahhh and the REAL CC music starts!
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