1/1/2015
guest Chin up, there's lots of time and impending news between now and then. You can always roll up and out to 2016 in the late summer before time decay accelerates, regardless of where the price action is.�
1/1/2015
guest Similar idea but I went out a little farther to catch Q1 and Q2: Sept 220s and 240s here.�
1/1/2015
guest We were in the 30s a year ago. And near 150 like a month ago. There's more than enough potential and time to see those go up.
That said I wouldn't put everything into 300s for '15, but I do have several contracts of '16 400s (as part of a spread to 500), and I still feel good about them.
I did sell a bull put spread the other day, I just don't see under 200 as being realistic, but then again the market likes to be unrealistic sometimes.�
1/1/2015
guest agreed- easy hold until september- take advantage of the LEAP nature of those and roll them out later even if not ITM- they will gain faster on any upswing from here than the J16s; If you believe TSLA is at a relative local low currently- this is not the time to roll out; In fact this would be the time to consider converting stock or J16 to J15 (roll-in to catch more of the upswing) or just hold for now�
1/1/2015
guest I had several Deep ITM calls Jan 15 that I rolled to Jan 16, close to the bottom, for $4 to $9 each.
I wanted to put some more money in TSLA, and experienced that there is a large difference between the interest rate paid/asked in Norway compared to US. I asked for, and got my portfolio margin account approved one week ago
I have never traded margin before, nor needed too, but the interest rate of margin on IB is about 1/6 of the interest rate in Norway, so I found it quite convenient to use it.
The last weeks I have loaded several J16 300 options, among other, and I am looking forward to the good news in the near future
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1/1/2015
guest Congrats on the Model S, Model X reservation, and options purchases, Wenche. Be careful with portfolio margin, though!
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1/1/2015
guest The discussion about HFT currently happening on CNBC is fascinating (Michael Lewis is a participant.)
Update: Anyone interested in the subject should watch this. It was a very heated, direct, no-holds-barred argument between Michael Lewis and Brad Katsuyama on one side, and William O'Brien, who is the BATS Global Markets president, on the other. Pure financial boxing!
The Michaels Lewis interview
The ensuing fight�
1/1/2015
guest Happy with todays action. Hope we can hit $220 or $230's soon! Have some short term plays. When this forum gets real quite, I start buying short term. When it gets noisy, hopefully I'll remember to sell
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1/1/2015
guest So true, haha�
1/1/2015
guest March was tough on my LEAPS and some other TSLA options. It is nice to see at least two of them have turned slightly green with today's action. Hoping that April sees everyone's reds go green!�
1/1/2015
guest I agree! Hurray to the end of March. Let's hope April is much better!�
1/1/2015
guest I orderd his book yesterday. I have no problem with HFT being used for liquity and to keep the bid-ask spreads close. But all that other alleged things as mentioned in the 60 minutes piece is crimimal.�
1/1/2015
guest I'll take an end of the day rally.�
1/1/2015
guest Yes....yes you will. :biggrin:�
1/1/2015
guest Great finish. Gap up on open tomorrow?
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1/1/2015
guest Pet Driving Cars | Blog | Tesla Motors
Big Announcement!�
1/1/2015
guest TSLA closes at over 9,000 tomorrow.�
1/1/2015
guest Definitely worth reading the NYT adaptation that basically gives the short recap:
Log In - The New York Times�
1/1/2015
guest Those kittens are far too large for that car.
Yes, I need to remember to sell some shares when this forum says "omg, thank you so much for all the research. Will the stock go to x in 6 weeks (x=1.3current price). I think so!" It always seems so clear in hindsight...
Then when things are quiet and full of "why aren't we tracking the nasdaq" it is time to buy. A TMC meta indicator is in order...�
1/1/2015
guest Half-seriously beware shorts. A rested, laughing, kitten re-tweeting, Route 66 family road tripping, rocket launching Elon should scare shorts to death. Think playing Jordan one-on-one in his prime and seeing the tongue starting to stick out....be afraid shorts, be very afraid.�
1/1/2015
guest How can I invest in goldfish futures?�
1/1/2015
guest due to lifespan issues, you'll have to use weeklies�
1/1/2015
guest I also pre-ordered it, just on the strength of Michael Lewis' name. I think he is a brilliant (financial) writer, with an uncanny ability to explain really complicated things to a lay audience.
His book about the 2008 financial crisis is excellent. I highly recommend it.
But the debate I linked to is worth seeing even if one ordered the book, for the sheer intensity and raw emotion overflowing on live TV. Who knew CNBC could be gripping?�
1/1/2015
guest It better not. I'm in the process of sending cash from my regular IRA to a Roth converted IRA, and it won't be done until Friday.�
1/1/2015
guest Didn't want to buy in the regular and transfer the shares?�
1/1/2015
guest Since this is the social chat thread, I hope it's ok for me to share what I just read ...
Model S
Model X
then,
Model E
So, what comes after Model E?
Model Y
So, Tesla = S-E-X-Y ?
link:
Bill O'Reilly Lavishes Tesla With Praise One Year After Blasting It - Business Insider�
1/1/2015
guest yes Tesla's are very S-E-X-Y !�
1/1/2015
guest I didn't have the brokerage account in the Roth set up yet. That's part of what's taking so long.�
1/1/2015
guest I'm happy that I basically did this in the 240-250 range, though I probably should have done it with more of my holdings. Basically sold enough to get myself out of margin debit...and now I'm back into it, to some extent anyway, and wondering if I want to load up any more significantly than I already have. Feels nice to have little margin debit, but I do think we're at a local bottom (sold puts two days ago in fact...just not very many of them).�
1/1/2015
guest Am I dreaming that we're up 6% in pre-market? Those call options I bought at 211 seem like a better and better idea by the minute. I just usually can't stand the stress of owning options, but at the same time I also can't stand that I reduced my exposure to 50% after we climbed to >255.�
1/1/2015
guest Its up about $3 or 1.5%....gotta be careful with Yahoo, they often will misquote premarket and add yesterday's % to today's premarket.
Anyone think that Elon ending his family road trip in New York this afternoon or more likely tomorrow is also very handy to have him available to be live on finance shows if there is a big announcement - and I mean bigger than goldfish driving cars?�
1/1/2015
guest Yes, it feels that some kind of upping the ante is in the air. Last year, when they had GAAP and non-GAAP Q1 beat, they announced it on April 1. If they ramped-up production as I think they did, they might revise their 6,400 deliveries guidance. I also doubt that yesterday's run-up was due to the NHTSA closure and Tesla's decision to outfit Model S with titanium shield. Perhaps there were some good rumors that were traded on.�
1/1/2015
guest It's good to have the days of old back. If we close up like this, any chance of it setting off a squeeze?�
1/1/2015
guest We're getting close to squeeze territory here, I think. It's shocking to me how dumb the market continues to be about the strength of Tesla's demand curve.�
1/1/2015
guest To get a real squeeze we need a big catalyst. Finalizing partner/site of Gigafactory or early release of good Q1 delivery numbers or China reservations or final X unveiling�
1/1/2015
guest Best day I've had in a long time. Portfolio up 20% on various calls. The June 245's I bought on Monday are crushing it. Feels good. How's everyone else holding up?�
1/1/2015
guest My April 19 calls (which were red) and Sept 220s/240s are all doing quite well. The LEAPS I bought when TSLA was at the 240 level a couple weeks ago as stock replacers are still feeling a little red but looks like the recent 'medicine' has helped greatly. Overall, like many here, I had a great Jan/Feb, then down March. Hopefully April will continue to give us all tailwinds! Good luck all.�
1/1/2015
guest Glad to hear, congratulations!
I'm in the red for the most part, since I made most of my latest LEAPS purchases in TSLA and various solars right after the latest TSLA peak. I don't have a lot in short-term options.
But I'm patient.�
1/1/2015
guest I normally don't trade short term options, but this last Friday I bought the May 240's when I saw Elon was going to be on 60 minutes & was on their road trip, up 40% on the position today alone :biggrin:.�
1/1/2015
guest That's a really cool call. I should learn how to read these events better.�
1/1/2015
guest Despite it working out well for Lump, the 60 Minutes piece could have been a 'hatchet job' and the 40% up ended up 40% down. Such is the short term trading. It is addictive so you may have fewer headaches/ulcers sticking with the LEAPS!:wink:�
1/1/2015
guest two days in a row of this last hour surge.�
1/1/2015
guest Yup, my January 16 $230's LEAPs are up over %12 today, went from -1500 red to nearly +3,000 in the green
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1/1/2015
guest You're right, actually I expected the 60 minutes piece to be bad. Instead, it turns out the interviewer's wife owns a Model S!�
1/1/2015
guest No options here so I'm just up the 6%. I just enjoy reading this section through out the day.�
1/1/2015
guest Nice to have the TMC investor group finally have a couple 'green' days and see lots of smiley face emoticons�
1/1/2015
guest I still have some red from purchases I made in feb. I sold my jan 16 400's last week and used the cash to buy apr 210's when the stock was around 207. I'm really glad I did now they are up about 150% now.�
1/1/2015
guest The banner on the CNBC right now: "Major averages have first 4-day win streaks in nearly two months."
So at least some of this run-up had to do with the market leaving behind some of the fear that was so palpable last week. TSLA looks like it really wants to go up, so as long as the general climate stays sane, I'm optimistic.�
1/1/2015
guest Like I said I normally trade options 6+ months out & stay away from the short term stuff but at the end of last week we had lots FUD surrounding the Panasonic news not joining GF yet, the stock was oversold & the 60 minutes peace & the Norway video of 100's of cars ready for delivey combined with end of quarter market reversal..I liked my odds.
Position closed up 49.91% for the day.�
1/1/2015
guest That was precisely my theory on Monday. Inherent strength in the company that was depressed by an overall market that may be emerging from Ukraine fear, Fed rate fear, and Chinese economy fear. Combine that with overblown fears of franchise laws impacting TSLA (that will be a speed bump for Tesla and nothing more, the public will not stand for bans long) and absurd "demand questions" made about the most desirable product I have ever owned. $208 bucks was a steal.�
1/1/2015
guest agree with that. completed a delayed LEAPS roll just last week on the same thought structure. Sold the roll around $250, bought the roll on the way down, with the last bit added at the sub $210. Picked up some very cheap J16 $500s that ought to survive the upcoming ModX, GF, GenIII, China 'debacles'...
nice move Flux! Lump and others�
1/1/2015
guest Not trying to say you were wrong.....you did GREAT!.....Just saying that your thesis was correct....but if it was wrong and the 60 minutes was a NADA financed hack job we might be looking at $192 TSLA and a 40%, or more loss.
Good call/trade on your part. Wish I had placed it!�
1/1/2015
guest Thanks, Ken. March certainly wasn't this good to me, let's hope April showers bring May Q1 ER flowers for us, or something.
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1/1/2015
guest That's it.
I posted the following on my twitter account not too long ago today:
@farzyness: Today is the tipping point where $TSLA will officially start to overtake @GM as USA's primary automaker. And it's inevitable #Tesla
Reasoning? GM's massive recall, Tesla's continued surge as THE American Automaker, Norway's continued share taking, and China's undeniable desire for the Model S. Really - one could make the argument that this started once Tesla existed as a manufacturer - but there's a lot of hints and pointers these last couple days/weeks that really back up this notion.
It's ok, you can call me crazy.�
1/1/2015
guest Good day today! Nice to be back where we should be and heading in the right direction again.
Funny thing showed up in the corner of my screen on the ticker, had to check on the nasdaq.com site where every after-hours trade is listed... Yep, someone got a good deal and someone made a bad sell
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1/1/2015
guest My jaw dropped when I read that GM's Recall is now set to exceed $750 million. They could literally be setting money on fire everyday instead of building cars and coming out ahead. I'd be lying if I said I understood how their stock price is still where it is.�
1/1/2015
guest Can't say I would do that except for a bit of timing. My view is this inflection will occur over the 2015 year- but the thought is the same; so maybe my crazy-twitching is just a bit slower than yours
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1/1/2015
guest Your timing is probably more correct - given that Model X is going to be an absolutely HIT in the US. But you're right - my crazy-twitching is at an all time high
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1/1/2015
guest I'm in the best mood
Recently seen,
All my calls
Have turned green.�
1/1/2015
guest nice - gotta love the limericks
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1/1/2015
guest IBD leaderboard recommendation
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Tesla Motors (TSLA)
Pattern: Bounce Off 50-Day Moving Average
Buy Point: Near 214
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1/1/2015
guest Not a limerick. A couplet.�
1/1/2015
guest IBD leaderboard
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DAILY | WEEKLY
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UPDATED 01:13 PM ET | Tesla Motors, which had come off 23% from its high, is finding support at the 50-day moving average. This puts the stock in the first follow-on entry since a breakout Feb. 7. Volume so far has been mild as shares rebound, but Tesla has solid a Accumulation/Distribution rating and up-down volume ratio. Also, its decline to the 50-day line occurred mainly in light volume - a good sign. Backstory: Tesla, which makes high-end all-electric cars, is leading other automakers in alternative-fuel cars. Tesla vehicles have longer driving ranges than most other electrics on the market. Tesla has hired former Apple executive Doug ... Read more
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1/1/2015
guest It's good to hear that TSLA is back on the IBD Leaderboard. It gives the stock more exposure. For reference, IBD sent TSLA to their Cut List back in early November (Short-Term TSLA Price Movements - 2013 - Page 1263) and they didn't add TSLA back until today.
From the IBD Leaderboard today:
"Tesla Motors (TSLA) has come back to the Leaders List. The electric-car maker pulled back substantially from its Feb. 26 peak but now is finding support at the 50-day moving average. Thus, the stock is in a follow-on buy area. It becomes the first addition to Leaderboard following last week's purge in the list amid a weak market."
"UPDATED 01:13 PM ET | Tesla Motors, which had come off 23% from its high, is finding support at the 50-day moving average. This puts the stock in the first follow-on entry since a breakout Feb. 7. Volume so far has been mild as shares rebound, but Tesla has solid a Accumulation/Distribution rating and up-down volume ratio. Also, its decline to the 50-day line occurred mainly in light volume - a good sign."�
1/1/2015
guest There once was a man from Pretoria
Whose head should be crowned by a gloria
For he constructed a car
much greater by far
than the most vivid phantasmagoria
:tongue:�
1/1/2015
guest Good one, Johan! Really gave me a great laugh. I needed that.�
1/1/2015
guest A stock - ticker TSLA - 's gone bonkers
While GM's now flatter'n Yonkers
JPeterson whines like a child
But what's got Fox News SO riled
Is O'Reilly's thinks Elon's quite the cat's meow and frankly there's no two ways about it but that Barra should honk hers.�
1/1/2015
guest Pedant! But you beat me to it. ;-)�
1/1/2015
guest I'm just happy mine have turned from Multi-Coat to Signature red.�
1/1/2015
guest So, it's a limerick you want ....
There was a young trader from Grants Pass
Whose once happy wife began to harass
�You were dumb enough to short Tesla
Now we�re in one heck of a mess, ah�.
Don�t you ever again listen to Doug Kass!��
1/1/2015
guest An HFT trader in Mahwah
Cried "Waza wa Zowie Wah HOO Wah!
Thought I'd corner the market
But now.....Farkety $#@#$k it
Shorted TSLA..and lost all my Moolah!"�
1/1/2015
guest A trader on Wall Street he weeps
and ever uneasy he sleeps
Shorting Tesla while awake,
Such as mistake
Wakes and cries: "should have bought LEAPs!"
I'm going to bed now
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1/1/2015
guest The hype was immense
it kept me so tense
I waited and waited, and finally leapt at those leaps
Whose IV was so steep
Now i'm in a bind,
as theta unwinds
this beautiful position that once seemed so fine.�
1/1/2015
guest Car dealerships greet you with grins,
Designed to conceal all of their sins.
But after Tesla takes them to court,
Their scams will abort,
As they�re blown away like bowling pins.�
1/1/2015
guest Geez we seem to have pent up demand for a poetry contest. Tmc members never cease to amaze.�
1/1/2015
guest The TMC Tesla-fan forum
Likes "longs" - "shorts" find no decorum
But, for rhyme, beat and meter
It's no place for elite or
The novice lim'ricker: no for-m�
1/1/2015
guest Frustrated drivers all the world round
Rejoice the car that makes no sound
Nor does it need the change of oil
Tesla car is ice car foil.
Glorious chorus of Tesla longs
Shouts a praise to where it belongs
Salute to Elon and his teams:smile:
They bring a gift to a world that dreams.�
1/1/2015
guest
And soon he lived under an overpass.�
1/1/2015
guest TSLA goes down, we all get so sad,
TSLA goes up, we all get so glad.
Writing bad poetry,
Asking "will it go to 280",
Hoping it's all not a fad.�
1/1/2015
guest lol! prize so far for most applicable to the thread.�
1/1/2015
guest now we're talkin' - very nice; loved all of 'em!
thanks guys!
also-
There was once a young man named Musk
Who worked from dawn until dusk
When he finally completed
What we all really needed
The world was awash in corn-husk�
1/1/2015
guest My favourite so far, but the end is not near...�
1/1/2015
guest No major news and the stock is on a steady trend up! I had a feeling that $200-210 was the bottom, based on investor sentiment and news coverage.
Good big news should generate a lot of upward pressure. Everyone keep cool!�
1/1/2015
guest He says to keep cool
But I am a fool:tongue:
Frenzy on this thread
Goes into my head
We smell a short squeeze
Tesla shorts at unease
Let us rejoice
Sing in one voice
All shorts to pay
For treating us like prey.
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1/1/2015
guest The mission of Tesla Motors is quite clear
To allay our CO2 and OPEC fear.
All the critics and NADA first jeered
Thinking EVs were all quite queer.
But many ordinary people started to cheer
As our autos would no longer need gas stations near
The critics then realized while they all sneered
That Elon had successfully kicked them in the rear.
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1/1/2015
guest O yeah�
1/1/2015
guest yeah ^^ good one AIMc�
1/1/2015
guest :wink: To follow up on my poor poem: 'Time to go have a beer!'�
1/1/2015
guest Ha! sounds good- I'd buy you one for that poem; maybe someday�
1/1/2015
guest We're each a poet
And didn't know it,
But every verse
Is getting worse�
1/1/2015
guest I am no poet
And I definitely know it :biggrin:�
1/1/2015
guest What just happened here?�
1/1/2015
guest The social chat thread became just that, rather than an alternate version of the original short term thread.�
1/1/2015
guest sorry-
I think I instigated when PapaFox started with a great poem and I requested Limerick, then we all left a mess. Sure was fun though!
(and what Curt said)�
1/1/2015
guest Everyone is taking a shot
at eloquence in rhyme
so I will take my turn
at least one time
You all are trying
so very hard
But Elon's fight
leaves shorts quite scarred
Those on the train
for this great ride
will harvest well
what shorts provide
A war has started
and when smoke's cleared
the oil barons die
and Watts revered
Yea tho I drive
alongside ICE
before too long
there'll be few to see�
1/1/2015
guest excellent!�
1/1/2015
guest I had a dream to ride a car
That takes me places near and far.
BMW, my current ride,
Fine German car is a matter of pride.
But all my journeys attract a fare
Smelly exhaust and dealers' share.
My dream is telling, a car divine,
Will make my journeys feel just fine.
No exhausts or dealers dues
O sweet Tesla I dream of you:love:�
1/1/2015
guest Collecting my parts
Delivery in August
This Spring will be long
// HiQ�
1/1/2015
guest Enough with the poetry guys!![]()
Here is food for thought: GOOG/GOOGL splitting and introducing new C-class shares today - is this a way for them to free up capital/currency in the form of C-class (non-voting) shares to use for aquisitions/ventures/investments, without risk of losing control (all control is with the A-class shares)... In for example a Gigafactory or car company or what-not???�
1/1/2015
guest Well, except that the split was announced two years ago but has been held up by lawsuits. Now maybe it makes what you suggest possible, but I doubt it was part of the plan when they first announced the split.�
1/1/2015
guest Wow -- dead silence from you guys today? I'm starting to think "sell on the poetry jam, buy on the silence" is a good policy around here. :wink:
Incidentally, I bought June 245's monday when we were at $208 with dead silence on these forums, sold them all this morning for a 115% return after yesterday's exuberant run-up -- and am going to buy back later today after the Fed / NASDAQ carnage ends. I'm probably just lucky, but feeling good about this trade right now.�
1/1/2015
guest Booo!!! I like the poetry.�
1/1/2015
guest nice...!
shhhh....�
1/1/2015
guest My weekly 230's were up 10x this morning. But I had created a 230/235 spread yesterday and was debating if I should sell the 230's and on the pullback buy the 235's back. That would have been genius if I did it. But from previous experience being naked short weekly calls is deadly. So still holding them. Think I'll get the chance again soon so not too worried
I wanted to share this because I feel like most of the time people share successful trades but not failed or missed ones. But I like hearing about failed/missed trades b/c there is always something to learn.�
1/1/2015
guest I had bought some weekly puts near the top today and sold them for a nice little gain a few minutes later. Of course if I had held them a little longer I would have nearly quadrupled my money. Something about betting against Tesla though causes me to get all antsy and uncomfortable even if it's with little day trades. Definitely feels like dirty money.�
1/1/2015
guest Haha. Same here. It feels even worse to lose money betting against Tesla. The couple of times I bought puts as soon as they were like 10% in the red I panicked and sold. But I can have calls that are 80% in the red and not worry at all
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1/1/2015
guest To help you with your quilt I voluteer to take 50% of the gains. I will send you my TDAMeritrade account number! Least I could do to help another TMC friend:wink:�
1/1/2015
guest Here is a fun thing to do this April/May. Watch the lower number of TSLA's 52-week range. Maybe the upper number will be good too, but either way I am going to enjoy reminiscing by looking at the lower one. Good times. Good times.�
1/1/2015
guest Well I've decided to use those profits to buy deep OTM calls, and if I get lucky with those, I then buy more shares! It is my way of cleansing the filth and potentially turning it into something valuable that will benefit us all! :biggrin:�
1/1/2015
guest Good to hear. I was praying for you as you seem to be going 'to the dark side' :wink:�
1/1/2015
guest I hear you. I sold an 11 APR 240 Put a few days ago for a 100% gain. It was the bandaid for my LEAPS which have now clotted, somewhat. Historically, having a small percentage of medium range puts purchased near ATH's have proven a worthwhile expenditure for me.�
1/1/2015
guest 230 today?!Would be awesome to finish strong going into the weekend
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1/1/2015
guest As most of the previous days in March, TSLA is not looking good
And this without any news ... always surprising, how the market react!�
1/1/2015
guest Wow, what is the market reacting to? TSLA is actually holding up better than the QQQ, but yuck.�
1/1/2015
guest Yikes we are down double digits. What is going on here?!�
1/1/2015
guest Wish I had more cash to deploy right now. June calls are tempting.�
1/1/2015
guest The entire NASDAQ is getting absolutely destroyed right now. On days like these however, TSLA is usually down by a multiple vs. the Nasdaq of 3 or 4. Today it's not as aggressive, so I think we are good for more accumulation
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1/1/2015
guest What market giveth, market taketh.�
1/1/2015
guest Indeed. I just felt like a plummet was incoming today and held off in the morning. Just bought some calls at 214 on this dip, which is risky in this time of turmoil, but I like the odds of a rebound in the next few weeks.�
1/1/2015
guest June?�

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