Apr 10, 2015
caps04 Build 153�
Apr 10, 2015
Kalud Nice, so the 85D is the new P85�
Apr 10, 2015
clarkbariowa Awesome! They still have the potential to unlock 92HP, with just firmware! (514HP - 422HP). I bet this do this at some point and it becomes a 3.9 sec car and the P85D becomes a 2.8 sec car.
Even more interesting the 70D has the same motors as the 85D... hmmm�
Apr 10, 2015
AmpedRealtor Not quite, but close.�
Apr 10, 2015
Kalud The P85 was rated 416hp, the 85D is now rated 422hp. With two smaller motors and easier to grip on the ground. I still prefer rwd + large frunk but this certainly closed the gap between the 70D and P85D. Also a fully optioned 85D costs less that what I paid for my P85...�
Apr 10, 2015
matbl Not necessarily, it depends on the inverters.
for the 70D the limitong factor is probably the battery output.
point is, itcomes down to more than which motor is where...�
Apr 10, 2015
fiksegts I'm not saying it won't do it, but you can't use your iPhone to accurately test.... might actually be quicker, 1ft rollout,etc... need someone to test with a VBOX, if anyone is in south florida I would be happy to test with you...�
Apr 10, 2015
caps04 Until then, I am satisfied it can at least do it in 4.4. The iPhone in the picture is just a stop watch. I was recording with iPhone 6 in Super Slo-Mode so I could easily select the frames when I punched it and when it hit 60 exactly. Now the dash meter might be a little slower or whatever but it does it in mid-4s and felt much faster than how it did in the morning before installing the update.�
Apr 10, 2015
thegruf interesting the display shows 315KW=422hp = nominal power.
The P85D, supposedly 515KW = 691hp never appears to show above ~400KW = well short of nominal
Either Tesla overstated the P85D, or there is a lot more to come with that car.�
Apr 10, 2015
fiksegts what did it do before the update?
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Apr 10, 2015
caps04 Officially 5.2 and even if it was faster than that in real world, I can feel a lot of difference between how fast my car accelerated this morning before the update and after. I remember telling a passenger that this is how fast my non-P model can go because it wasn't that crazy. With today's update, I know I won't have to say anything... it's easy to feel the G forces.�
Apr 10, 2015
Thud It's not the phone that's the issue, it's the speedometer readout. If it's not perfectly calibrated (most car speedos read at least a couple mph high at highway speeds to avoid breaking the law) you're getting quite a large margin of error.�
Apr 10, 2015
caps04 Couple of miles? Here's a different slightly faster run: 9.56 @62 - 5.13 = 4.43 seconds.
Point being that if it's just a matter of incorrect calibration by a few miles, the differences are still not that great falling somewhere in the 4.4x - 4.5x range�
Apr 10, 2015
fiksegts did you do a before test?
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Apr 10, 2015
caps04 No. But maybe the Normal acceleration mode is the before? So if I switch it to Normal, maybe I'll get 5.2.�
Apr 10, 2015
legislator The P85 was actually rated at 476 in Europe, which should be 470 in US, which in turn is the same as the rear engine in the P85D. This makes sense as Tesla is saying P85D rear engine in the same as P85.�
Apr 10, 2015
Johan This is nice. Tesla is back to their "underpromise overdeliver" attitude that makes it so easy to love this company!�
Apr 10, 2015
Kalud North American P85 spec was 416hp when I bought mine, its shown as 420hp here: Tesla Model S - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It has never been advertised as 470hp, its only when then introduced the P85D that the rear motor spec was shown as 470hp, its presumed that its the same motor. The motor's spec might be 470hp from the start but the vehicle itself was rated as 416hp (probably software limitation). My guess is that the increased P85D & P85 acceleration figures (from Elon's tweet) are maybe related to that. Getting the full rear motor's potential for both cars. If true then it would be a nice little power increase for the Classic P85 out there.�
Apr 10, 2015
Johan I would love for this to happen, if our old P85s have the batteries and wiring for it.�
Apr 10, 2015
legislator Yes it did say 470 from the start of 2014 when you looked under specs. It said 416 PS and 470 motor power all along.
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Of course, almost all the P85 and S85 info has now been taken down, but I was still able to find this, which is identical to what the spec pages was more than a year ago:
http://my.teslamotors.com/node/21926/view�
Apr 10, 2015
brianman Would be nice lil' treat for us old timers.�
Apr 10, 2015
sorka Close. It never appears to go over 440KW which is still less than 500 hp when you consider inverter and motor losses before you get to the motor shaft.�
Apr 10, 2015
thegruf All a guess as the dial is logarithmic, hopefully a P85D owner can get some logs done which should reveal much more data for comparison.
It is looking increasingly as though Tesla ought to make some statement re this subject though, if they wish to respect the owners and potential owners, as it is all clear as mud at the moment.�
Apr 10, 2015
breser Got the update this morning and gave it a try tonight. Sport does seem quicker than what I was used to before. Certainly is impressive to me.�
Apr 11, 2015
Stoneymonster They haven't even told 85D owners!�
Apr 11, 2015
SeminoleFSU Wonder if there's any speed improvements for S85 and P85/P85+ owners in this same firmware? Anybody check/try to run some tests yet?�
Apr 11, 2015
RDoc Anyone have any thoughts on why not just leave it in Sport mode all the time? Is there a range penalty even if you don't use the maximum acceleration?�
Apr 11, 2015
MrClown I have had it in sport mode the last couple days and I have not noticed any difference in energy usage. If anything it's slightly less energy than before (on the same routes I'm familiar with) but that's probably just normal variation from temperature or other factors. And that's in spite of a couple spirited accelerations per drive just to keep reminding myself how amazing the car is and refresh the grin.�
Apr 12, 2015
FlasherZ Sorry, but you can't trust the analog visualization that Tesla provides on the dash for power. Until you have a high-precision, high-granularity test harness attached to the motor leads -- or Tesla simply certifies that its output display is accurate within that same high-precision high-granularity framework -- you're relying upon a neat-looking, lagging graphic and applying technical math to it.
It's like looking at the charging screen and saying "it stays at 237V constantly, therefore my power is completely clean!"... well, no. Not true.�
Apr 12, 2015
robby Where are you 85D folks seeing the "sport" setting? The only setting like that I saw was for the steering wheel (comfort/standard/sport). Or are you saying that that setting affects more than just steering?�
Apr 12, 2015
patrick40363 Next to steering wheel setting is acceleration. You choose between normal and sport. Thta is what it looks like on my 85D.
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Apr 12, 2015
Cyclone You will not see it without latest 6.2 firmware update. The first 6.2 update did not include this. If you do not have that option on the same screen as the steering wheel, you will have to wait till you get the next update and check again.�
Apr 12, 2015
Brightonuk Does the 6.2 offer P85's a performance boost?�
Apr 12, 2015
robby Aha! Thank you both.�
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