Dec 11, 2015
andrewket You're doing better than me. 220 @ 90%, same car and age, slightly higher mileage.�
Dec 11, 2015
AWDtsla Mine has gone up 4 miles in 7 days. So I don't know how anyone can draw conclusions with less than a thousand samples.�
Dec 12, 2015
Polly Wog Ha! This forum is all about drawing conclusions from 1 sample!
Still, I find it interesting just how much variability there seems to be within a battery pack size and comparable age and miles. My classic 85, delivered in March of 2014, is holding steady at 239 rated miles at a 90% charge.�
Dec 12, 2015
KyP85D My December 14 p85d with about 28,700 on the odometer is getting 217 at 90 percent with range mode off. Are the above p85d numbers with range mode on or off?�
Dec 12, 2015
Footbag My Dec 14 P85D was (IIRC) 364km/226miles @ 90% on delivery. It currently is 356km/221miles @ 90% (39000km/24000miles)�
Dec 12, 2015
FlasherZ I agree.
If you haven't seen my separate thread, take a look:
Displayed Range and Seasonality
Quick summary is that the "rated miles" displayed by the car tends to vary with a reasonable correlation to the outside temperature. Through several thousand samples, you can see that in the winter my maximum range tends to drop and in the spring it goes back up. Linear regression on the data after my battery pack replacement in early 2014 shows a range loss of approximately -1.5 miles per year. I'll continue to update that as we go into spring, 2016.�
Dec 12, 2015
apacheguy My S85 with ~7000 miles and 4.5 months on the new battery shows much less rated miles 90%. But it delivers 320 kW peak power at 90%. I'd be curious to see how the peak power agrees with yours.�
Dec 12, 2015
jbcarioca There are a couple of places that collect and compile more data.
PlugIn America has interesting data on Model S, Roadster and a few others. There are a few reports of Model S with very high mileage. Please report yours too:
Plug In America�
Dec 12, 2015
Polly Wog Done.�
Dec 15, 2015
Mike_Schlechter My Model S 85, delivered three years ago is basically showing 220 to 225 rated for a 90% charge.�
Dec 15, 2015
CraZ8 Almost same as me 222 at 90%�
Dec 16, 2015
ACDriveMotor ~19,800 miles seeing 220 rated @ 90%�
Dec 16, 2015
mknox Starting to feel better about myself! I see between 218 and 220 @ 90% and I have just under 3 years / 65,000 miles. It sure seems to be a steep curve initially, then it settles down. I've been at these numbers for at least a year and a half.�
Dec 16, 2015
Screwbal I know I'm watching too close at this point but about 400 miles on the clock and dropped from 245 to 244. Likely not the cause but last night i delayed charging until the late morning so it finished before I would leave today thinking it would help regen. I still had a yellow line when I left so 2 hours of charging at 33 amps didn't eliminate the line. From here I'm just going to let it charge when I get home right away and see how long I stay at 244 or if it somehow goes back up to 245 again.�
Dec 16, 2015
msnow 244 seems great. Have you ever charged to 100%? If so what was that #?�
Dec 16, 2015
Model S M.D. 290 mi on my car. My 90% was 245 when I first got the car and now it is 244...
Haven't done a 100% range charge yet.�
Dec 16, 2015
Screwbal Haven't done a 100% charge yet since I really haven't even dropped below 175 rated miles in a day yet. All my reading showed the old base was 93% so maybe I'll kick off a boost just above 90% before I make a 50 mile round trip journey tomorrow and see if it bumps me back to 245 at 90% though right now I'm not really sweating one mile loss since I know it's going to happen eventually
Ps, something I've noticed which I'm sure is par for the course... Regardless of what the number is it hits on end of charge by the morning it's down a couple of miles. Not sure for most folks here if they just look at the number before they drive the next day but may be worth turning on charge complete notifications so you see what the number was right when it stopped charging vs hours later.�
Dec 17, 2015
SmartElectric I agree, you are watching things to closely.
After 70000 km, our Tesla gets us to every destination, and here in Ontario, we have a small set of superchargers. Enjoy your new car. We changed our settings so the car reports percentage of charge remaining rather than the rated range. Makes it much easier to calculate fuel capacity because percentage is what the navigation reports for the trip planner.�
Dec 17, 2015
idoco 231 miles.
Classic 85. Three and a half years old. 42K miles.�
Dec 18, 2015
mknox I did the same thing. I originally did it because I was obsessing too much over the Rated Range numbers constantly in my face. I relaxed significantly after switching to %.
This is when it occurred to me that putting range numbers on a fuel gauge makes no sense. I have never seen an ICE car's gas gauge calibrated in miles / kms based on it's EPA combined fuel efficiency rating... which is exactly what putting the Rated number on the Model S is doing. You will likely never achieve that number in "real life" driving. It makes more sense to me to have my "fuel gauge" calibrated on a scale of 0 to 100% rather than 0 to 265 miles (or whatever your Rated number is). If I want to know how far I can really go, I flip open the Energy App on the 17' screen and look at the projection there based on my real time, actual conditions driving.�
Dec 18, 2015
boonedocks
+1 to MrKnox I changed to % after about 3 weeks of ownership as well. My daily commute each way takes me any where from 18-22% depending on weather traffic and speed. % seems to make much more sense to me than "rated maybe not gonna happen miles)�
Dec 18, 2015
disillusioned Just took delivery three days ago. First 100% charge was 267. Current 90% charge: 241. P90D.�
Dec 18, 2015
FlasherZ I recognize that it's effectively what they're doing, but it's an easier mental calculation for me to take the rated miles remaining and adjust -/+ (usually minus) based on what my 30-mile Wh/mi average is, versus trying to recall how many miles (roughly) 1% of the battery gives me. When I'm driving, I think in miles. Many times I don't need to know (when I'm driving locally), but on a trip I want to think in miles.
it's like my laptop - it's great that it tells me I'm at 47% of battery, but when I'm working on a plane I want to know how much time that will buy me. So having the power meter tell me that I have 2 hours and 18 minutes left is useful (even though I know it probably won't make 2 hours, 18 minutes)...�
Dec 19, 2015
jerry33 Right. It doesn't matter so much for an ICE car because of the number of gas stations and the range of an ICE car. For an EV I want to know miles remaining. I'll soon know the ratio between miles remaining and my normal driving style and will be able to make adjustments when conditions differ.�
Dec 19, 2015
Ames Took delivery on December 8th. First 90% charge was 380 km / 236 miles. Range Mode OFF.�
Dec 19, 2015
stevezzzz Right in there with you, Andrew: P85D, December 2014 build, 21K miles, and my 90% today is 221 Rated miles.�
Dec 20, 2015
Polly Wog Interesting occurrence for me today. I've been gone a few weeks, so hadn't charged since November 30th. Charged to 90% last night, and my phone app notification reported that it charged to 240 rated miles. Cool, I'm thinking, I've gained back the 1 rated mile I lost. When I unplugged this morning, the car actually reported 243 rated miles. I'm still on 2.7.56 firmware, so that can't be it. Not sure what to think, but I'm not going to complain. I guess I'll have to do a range charge soon just to see if it was a complete fluke.�
Dec 20, 2015
davidc18 our 70D shows 212-214 at 90% and a loaner P90DL we had for a while was 230.�
Dec 20, 2015
jbcarioca I passed 16000 miles today so I checked 90% again. 226 today. Given the SOC variations with 1% as well as calibration errors I suspect all of mine are within margin of error and deflect no material
chsnge in the year since it was manufactured.�
Dec 21, 2015
Sulako P85D, 22000km since July 2015. My 90% is 364km. It seems to vary between 360 and 370 depending on temperature (it's currently -4c right now, and it was +30c when I got the car).�
Dec 21, 2015
eyespii On my 85D, I was getting 245 miles @ 90% when new, 275 @ 100%. Now, about 4.5 months and 11k miles later, 90% is 235-236 miles, 100% just yesterday was 263.�
Dec 21, 2015
RyanT Late 2014 P85. 25k miles and I'm getting 232-233 miles at 90%. I've noticed if I don't charge it for a few days it tends to go down and rebounds after charging to 90-100% a few times.�
Dec 21, 2015
russman 3/2014 with 30+k get 231 @ 90%�
Dec 22, 2015
smilepak Must be the California cold weathers or something. My 70D at 90% used to hover around +/- 215. After 7200 miles on them, it's been hovering +/- 204.....
98% charge gave me 228 the other day.�
Dec 23, 2015
Polly Wog After the interesting results from my last 90% charge, I did a range charge last night. I was back to 265 rated miles on my classic S 85, which now has just over 22,800 miles. This is the first time in nearly a year that it went all the way back of to my original rated range. I've looked at FlasherZ's data regarding seasonality, but here on Maui the difference between winter temps (about 81 degrees F) and summer (about 89 degrees F) is minimal. One possibility is that I've been mostly off-island for the last 3 months, so I've only put about 500 miles on it during those 3 months, and it has sat a lot unplugged.
@apacheguy, I get 320 kWh of peak power at every SOC I've "punched it" at, which has ranged from 90% to 40% in the last week.�
Dec 23, 2015
FlasherZ There's a bit of a distinction here. The display may show 320 on the logarithmic scale, but there's not enough resolution to say that you've "gotten" 320 kWh of power.
Below 20% SOC, the maximum I've seen on my car is 300 kW, on the nose.
At 25-35% SOC, the maximum I've seen on my car is 321 kW.
At 45-55% SOC, the maximum I've seen on my car is 336 kW.
At 85-90% SOC, the maximum I've seen on my car is 368 kW.
At 95-100% SOC, the maximum I've seen on my car is 376 kW.
So there is a difference at various SOC's - it's just that the display doesn't show it to you with any accuracy.
(P85 - all reported by the streaming API.)�
Dec 23, 2015
apacheguy Right, you must use the API. And, obviously, P85s will have different values than S85s. I have an S85.
Side note: I've been consistently reading 305-310 kW in the 70-80% range. This past weekend, I had just pulled out of a SpC with 77% SOC. I floored it and measured 326 kW. Point being that this measurement is highly sensitive to pack temperature (since cell resistance drops as it gets warmer). So I'm going to take back what I said about peak power being the preferable method to test for degradation. Unless you control for pack temp, this method is likely to yield widely varying results. Ambient temps were roughly equivalent (50-60 F range), but the pack was much warmer than ambient due to supercharging.�
Dec 23, 2015
GlmnAlyAirCar My 70D, delivered in June, gets a 90% charge at 204-205 miles. I have 21000 miles on it, so the drop appears to correlate more to time than to mileage. But these are just two data points.�
Dec 23, 2015
smilepak Dang! 6 months and you drove 21k miles? I got mine in July�
Dec 24, 2015
travwill Maybe it is time, and the algo determining how you drive. I drive more city miles here in Chicago but it is definitely colder (although not that cold yet) that CA.
I was worried mine was low, but at 90% I'm usually getting 211 miles, 210 miles today for first time. That was 216 a while back when newer/warmer and on v6. I can live with 210 miles at 90% but don't want it to keep dropping too fast! ;-) Got mine last June 2015.�
Dec 24, 2015
Sparktz Brand new 90D, 262 miles at 90%. This is with range mode on, not sure if that makes a difference in the miles shown.�
Dec 24, 2015
KyP85D 
Full range charge before leaving on trip. Flipped over 30k. Full charge was 240 with range mode off. Get about 217 at 90 percent. Late December p85d.�
Dec 24, 2015
Max* 6 month old 70D with about 15k miles. [email�protected]% started in the 214-218 range and settled at 214 within the first few weeks. Then it quickly started dropping... 213... 212... ..... 207.
Recently charged to 97% and brought it down to 3% on a trip, and coupled with the warmer weather my 90% is back to 212 miles. And even that I think might be a calibration issue, on the trip home going to do another 100%-almost 0% charge�
Dec 26, 2015
smilepak Might be. I just finish charging to 99% to prepare for a long road trip. It finished at 230 miles. My guess 100% would be around 233-234...�
Dec 27, 2015
FloridaGary 70 kw battery with 100 miles. 90% charge is 213 mile range so far.�
Dec 27, 2015
jcaspar 25 month old P85 with 24k miles. 226.8 at 90%. range mode off, 90% confirmed with VisibleTesla�
Dec 27, 2015
AmpedRealtor Well, my 90% continues to drop quite dramatically. In August my 90% was 230 miles and 100% was 255 miles. Four months later I'm at 223-224 miles at 90% and 252 miles at 100%.�
Dec 27, 2015
miamibeacher My just finished charging 90%... 242. P85 Signature with E series battery.
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Dec 27, 2015
eyespii How much of the degradation that we are seeing is from actual pack capacity loss vs colder temps vs driving style? Is it possible to tell? If I went to the drag strip and emptied my battery doing 1/4 mile runs, would my rated range then drop in half the next day?�
Dec 27, 2015
xrayvsn I have a Model S 90D. When I picked up from the dealership, they did a 100% charge, showed 278 miles. At home I have done 90% charging on high power wall charger (80 amp), one night it was 258, right now 254. Not sure what the difference would be, only had it for about a week, a little over 300 miles on it.�
Dec 27, 2015
travwill 1. It is learning your driving style to become more accurate.
2. Temperature
3. It isn't actually that accurate, could be more less after start driving and using the pack.�
Dec 27, 2015
Beryl Model S 90D two week spreadsheet results:
90% yields 256 mi every day (including the last 6 days) except
- 2 days 257 miles
- 1 day 255 miles
- 1 day 80% yielded 228 miles
Home HPWC @ 79A of 80A
No 100% charge
ODO: 526 miles
Warm Texas weather
(We'll see how long this holds up. )�
Dec 27, 2015
xrayvsn Thanks for the explanation. I actually had been selecting 90% on the app and when I got in the car and went to charging screen it apparently was slightly below the 90% markers. So I changed it to 90% on the center console and now charged up to 257. Maybe because scale is so small on app it was hard to see if I really picked 90%. Wish it also showed a numerical value in addition to graph to be more precise�
Dec 27, 2015
gaswalla Driving style and temp have noting to do with rated range�
Dec 27, 2015
ecarfan I do not believe that those two factors have any influence on the rated range value.�
Dec 27, 2015
msnow You should browse through and keep track of the following:
90D Range slowly declining�
Dec 28, 2015
jerry33 This appears to be how my car works as well. The range stays consistent regardless of temperature or driving style. As far as I can tell, it's based on the EPA range using a changing algorithm that estimates SOC.�
Dec 28, 2015
GlmnAlyAirCar +1 I don't know where this info is coming from.�
Dec 28, 2015
Max* I agree that driving style has not been proven to affect rated range, some people theorize it might, but there's no proof (and I have my doubts).
Flasherz has shown that the rated range fluctuates with outdoor temperature over a 2 year period.�
Dec 28, 2015
Mike Tuccelli Mike Tuccelli | DECEMBER 28, 2015
This morning it's at 263. Three hundred miles ago it was at 253. Strange!
It was 256 new.
I wonder if it had anything to do with it but in "the old days" we were told to "floor it" to "blow the carbon out of the system". When I got my 90D in November I never had "tested " the pickup but last night I beat a red light with a heady acceleration surge. Did that momentary one time energy surge have anything to do with an increased 10 mile indicated range?
Just a wild guess.
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Dec 28, 2015
FlasherZ I agree with you on the style of driving but not on temp. My data does show variation of rated range correlated with temperature - both up and down. Please look at the graphs on the thread I posted earlier.
Data comes from Tesla's API over roughly 2 years and over 10,000 points of data at 90% SOC, 35,000 temp samples.
Also note that the API has the car's estimated rated range to 2 decimal points as well, so I can even see the smaller fluctuations.�
Dec 28, 2015
msnow FlasherZ - take a look at posts #322 through #327 in the thread 90D Range slowly declining
Tesla seems to be saying the rated range calculation can't be relied on and they are making firmware changes to correct this. Most of us lost significant range (about 10 miles or 1 mile per week) during the hot summer months. They state "Currently some State of Charge terminations in the middle region of the battery level may cause some range calculations that are less accurate than others but these will be fixed with upcoming over the air firmware for all vehicles". What are your thoughts on that and how reliable rated range is in general?�
Dec 28, 2015
FlasherZ I saw those. No doubt Tesla is changing the algorithm occasionally -they told us about this in 5.x. That said, I doubt Tesla has been modifying the algorithm to decrease and increase it in correlation with temperature in St. Louis.
Rated range is fairly reliable for me. I'm currently in Florida after a 1,000+ mile drive over the past couple of days. My range reduction was consistent with what was displayed, taking into account the Wh/mile that I was getting in the rain (e.g., 360 Wh/mile is 120 percent reduction from rated miles for each real mile). I plugged in at two Superchargers with only 15 miles remaining, so I am not suffering from overly optimistic battery range in the car. In fact, I was still confidently driving 70 despite the car warning me to drive below 40 to make my destination.
If that proves to hold steady, then the only variables that can change over time is the efficiency of the car. In my case, after 70k miles, my efficiency has seemingly gotten better (2015 average since July is 308, past years has been 320+). That could be offset by software and performance changes.�
Dec 28, 2015
msnow That's amazing range for you! What do the terms SOC "terminations" and "middle range" of the battery mean?�
Dec 28, 2015
FlasherZ My guess is that they mean 30-70 pct for the "middle range". Terminations mean that you frequently draw down to that level and recharge from there, never drawing it down.�
Dec 28, 2015
AmpedRealtor It's coming from the service center advisors. Mine said the same thing - the rated range figure changes based upon driving style. I have already proven that wrong because for one week I drove very efficiently (under 290 Wh/mi) and my rated range did not increase one bit.�
Dec 28, 2015
Mnlevin 2013 60 with 62k miles 174 90% and 195 at 100% 2013 P85 with 40k miles 233 at 90% and 255 at 100%�
Dec 29, 2015
jerry33 Mine would be far higher if average Wh/mi was taken into account. This is similar to when I drove the Prius. Many dealer personal said that the transmission (PSD in a Prius) varied depending on driving style, but there was zero documentation about it. Some cars do have this, but it's always documented since it's a sales feature. Service personnel are often not the best source of information, and it's not limited to Tesla.�
Dec 29, 2015
AmpedRealtor Last week I drove very efficiently, around 270-280 Wh/mi for two trips. I LOST 2 miles of rated range!�
Dec 29, 2015
Mike K 228 90% as of this morning. 2013 85kwh w/ 33,000 miles. I beat the snot out of it and have high wh numbers and that doesn't seem to affect it at all. No surprise there.�
Dec 29, 2015
Max* Well that didn't last long, back to 208 today.�
Dec 29, 2015
bluefuego May 2013 S85 with 50,000 miles down to 218 miles at 90%. I haven't done a deep cycle of the battery lately.�
Dec 30, 2015
Screwbal Only posting again because of an uptick which may just be random, Being forced to charge @ 110 for the last couple days and next week likely bumped my 90% up today when charging completed from 245 to 246. I've seen people here mention the slower charge can help get some extra juice into some cells and really you can get the same effect charging @ 240 and limiting the amps to 5. Still only logged 900 miles so far but will comment again here later after some significant mileage gets racked up or I see wild swings in the numbers.�
Dec 30, 2015
DrGuest 
My delivery date was December 2013 S85 - Total miles 39,459 my 90% is 228 RM with an total of 13,941 kWh. Average energy for total mileage is at 353 Wh/mile. 984Wh/mi for the first 1/10 of a mile with 19F temperature this morning! ( at .2 miles it had dropped to 366 Wh/mile.) My A is since my last tire rotation. B is my total miles driven.�
Dec 30, 2015
Mike Tuccelli 90D with 2,600 miles 90% charge at 257. When new was 256. Had been dropping slowly over six weeks to 251 but went back up the past week. No updates. No significant temperature changes. The ONLY thing I did differently was last week I charged up to 95% one time only.�
Dec 30, 2015
liuping You are lucky. Every time I've charged above 90% the range dropped further.
The low point after my recent road trip was 243. The next day recovered a bit and I'm now at 245. It has 4967 miles and rate of loss has not shown any signs of slowing yet. I really hope it's just a software issue and Tesla releases the update soon.�
Dec 30, 2015
Blu Zap 90% is usually around 230miles for a P85+ 15 months old. It used to be 235 when new. 100% is now 260 miles vs. 265 miles originally.�
Dec 31, 2015
qqragoon My 90% dropped from 257 to 253 within 2 months. I changed the dash board to battery % instead of rated milage. To me, the kwh/1% of battery makes more sense.
By recording the daily numbers to get value, for my 90D, the number varies based on the trip length and wh/mi (from 0.69 - 0.88 kwh/1% battery). It didn't drop at all, just got the highest 0.88 today.�
Dec 31, 2015
msnow You should report this during your next visit to the SvC so it's documented and confirm you're getting the same answer the rest of us 90D owners are getting. After all you paid an extra $3K for 6% more rated range but the numbers show you've lost most of that on a new car.�
Dec 31, 2015
utopianthoughts 2013 P85
90% was 230 rated miles in February
90% 188 rated miles as of yesterday.
Tesla Service says it took a full charge yesterday of 215, but it doesn't appear to be anywhere close to the 257 I was getting in May.
Currently in the shop to have them look at the almost 20% reduction.
So far I haven't seen a single 70 log this low much less a 85. Anyone see any "properly functioning" battery with logs this low?
- - - Updated - - -
55k miles on the P85
- - - Updated - - -
55000 miles
Typical charge pattern.
26 - 60 miles charge at 12x110 during the day at work.
Once 50 miles left charge to 90% at home.
I bought the car with 41k miles on it in Feb and for the first 6 months it had an acceptable charge range of 230-220. After that the rapid drop off began.�
Dec 31, 2015
mknox My 2013 S85 (A-pack) with about 65,000 miles gets around 218 rated Miles @ 90% I'm getting about 246 @ 100%. It got 265 @ 100% when new.�
Dec 31, 2015
Yitt 2015 70D showing 210 at 90%.�
Dec 31, 2015
Polly Wog After a few modest aberrations, my 90% is holding steady at 239.�
Jan 10, 2016
altman My P85 sig is pretty much identical; 100% charge is ~238-240, 90% ~216. Only 26k miles, but 2012 and an A pack. Was 265 at the start, but there have been many algorithm changes since then, plus I rarely deep cycle the battery, which may be contributing to bad gauging.
On my pack, down below 20 miles the rated range appears to contain a lot more "power" (ie I shed rated miles very quickly at the top end, given a 75mph cruise, but almost at 1 rated mile to 1 actual mile at low battery).�
Jan 10, 2016
EMdoc12 My 2012 sig red P85 (A-pack) gets 233 at 90%. I get 256 at 100%. Its a CPO I just picked up. Also just broke the 40k mile mark.�
Jan 11, 2016
Mike K How many miles do you have on the car? 216 seems to be an outlier. I see variations but they range from 228 - 230 on an A pack with 33,000 miles. 216 would have me a bit concerned. That's another 5% lose over what most are seeing.�
Jan 11, 2016
tinm It's been pretty cold in NM lately, mornings in the low teens, and my garage is in the 30s. 90% charge for the longest time has been 232. Yesterday, 227. Yikes!
One thing: for the first time like in 2.5 years, I turned Range Mode OFF, and drove for a day like that, hoping to help solve my car's heating problem... I am wondering if being in non-Range Mode gets a lower 90% SOC number automatically?�
Jan 11, 2016
NuclearPowered Changing modes does change the rated range at 90%. I've seen up to a 4RM difference.�
Jan 11, 2016
BrandonF 2014 S60 with 30K miles and I get 162RR at 90% charge. It has been steadily dropping since the day I bought it almost 2 years ago.�
Jan 11, 2016
thegruf reading this thread ...
if at 90%
most S70s are measuring iro 210 miles, surely an S85 should be measuring 210/70*85 = 255 miles.
Mine at new measured an unimpressive 227 miles at 90% equates to an 8% improvement over an S70 for a 20% increase in battery size.
Most S85s at new seem to be measuring 240-245 miles, that's still only a 15-17% increase.
I must be missing something here�
Jan 16, 2016
jbcarioca this morning at 18,500 miles 226 rated miles again.�
Jan 16, 2016
evosteve Model S 70 with 1000miles 220 at 90%�
Jan 16, 2016
kort677 model s 90d 256-258 @90%�
Jan 16, 2016
msnow Is that now or when you first got it last September?�
Jan 16, 2016
kort677 I only have the car a month or so, 1200 miles and to answer it both, my range hasn't changed any.�
Jan 16, 2016
msnow Ok, thanks. I mistook your join date on the forum to delivery date.�
Jan 16, 2016
tinm Sheesh rub it in why don't you
Signed, S85 owner who's getting 227-228 @ 90% with temps in the 20s�
Jan 16, 2016
jdw A log of what Visible Tesla reports for my July 85D (9000km), with a couple of Remote S numbers over the past 5 weeks or so. My charging pattern is a timed-for-when-I-leave charge to 90% every day. I usually end the day with 69-72% charge remaining. Three range charges in this time, one to 100% at home, one to 100% at a SC (unrecorded), one to 93% and one lower charge to 70%. I tend to not charge on the weekends, typically running down to 50% or so. Average temperature dropped from +9C to -15C over this time with a corresponding increase in energy usage from 10-12% a day to 22-25% per day. Car was 385km/239 Miles ( at 90%) at delivery
Dec 2 100% 266 Rated, 335 Ideal - 428 rated,539 Ideal
Dec 3 90% 239.66 Miles Rated - 384.7km
Dec 4 90% 239.04 384.1km
Dec 7 90% 239.04 Rated, 301 ideal - 384.7km, Ideal 485
Dec 8 90% 239.045 Rated, 301 ideal - 384.7km, Ideal 485
Dec 9 90% 239.04 Rated, 301 ideal - 384.7km, Ideal 485
Dec 10 90% 239.04 Rated, 301 ideal - 384.7km, Ideal 485
Dec 11 90% 238.97 Rated, 301 ideal - 384.6km, Ideal 485
Dec 14 90% 239.04 Rated, 301 ideal - 384.7km, Ideal 485
Dec 15 90% 239.04 Rated, 301 ideal - 384.7km, Ideal 485
Dec 16 90% 238.97 Rated, 301 ideal - 384.6km, Ideal 485
Dec 16 93% Ideal 500
Dec 17 90% 239.04 Rated, 301 ideal - 384.7km, Ideal 485
Dec 18 90% 238.97 Rated, 301 ideal - 384.6km, Ideal 485
Dec 21 90% 239.04 Rated, 301 ideal - 384.7km, Ideal 485
Dec 22 90% 239.35 Rated, 301 ideal - 385.2km, Ideal 485.7
Dec 23 90% 238.97 Rated, 301 ideal - 384.6km, Ideal 485
Dec 30 70%186.04 Rated, 235 ideal - 299.4km, Ideal 377.5
Jan 4 90% 238.35 Rated, 300.5 ideal - 383.6km, Ideal 483.6
Jan 5 90% 238.66 Rated, 300.93 ideal - 384.1km, Ideal 484.3
Jan 6 90% 238.66 Rated, 300.93 ideal - 384.1km, Ideal 484.3
Jan 7 90% 238.66 Rated, 300.93 ideal - 384.1km, Ideal 484.3 (Remote S 239.66 Miles)
Jan 8 90% 238.66 Rated, 300.93 ideal - 384.1km, Ideal 484.3 <-Supercharger in between
Jan 11 90% 238.97 Rated, 301 ideal - 384.6km, Ideal 485
Jan 12 90% 238.66 Rated, 300.93 ideal - 384.1km, Ideal 484.3 <-7.1 update
Jan 13 90% 239.35 Rated, 301 ideal - 385.2km, Ideal 485.7
Jan 14 90% 239.35 Rated, 301 ideal - 385.2km, Ideal 485.7
Jan 15 90% 239.72 Rated, 302.23 ideal - 385.8km, Ideal 486.4
Jan 16 90% 239.72 Rated, 302.23 ideal - 385.8km, Ideal 486.4 (Remote S 241 Miles)
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Jan 16, 2016
Sogorman S85 with 18,000 miles. 90% holding at 230 rated�
Jan 16, 2016
kort677 85 being the the operative, my 85 got about 237 @90% in a warmer climate�
Jan 19, 2016
Polly Wog My 90% has been at 239 rated miles for some time now. However, ever since I updated to 7.1, my 90% has been at 236.�
Jan 21, 2016
FrederikBoivin 238 miles is my 90% - 366 km
my S85 is now at 115,000 km - roughly 75k miles�
Jan 21, 2016
gdrum S85 18500 miles 236 miles at 90 temp is 20 degrees�
Jan 21, 2016
walla2 2012 Sig A pack at 13500 mi is 232 @ 90% 40�F on 7.1�
Jan 21, 2016
jsm 70S with about 4000 miles - started at 208, then has been dropping to 207 and 206. After 7.1 it went to 213 and has been pretty consistently there.�
Jan 22, 2016
andrewknight Feb 2013 P85 with 18,500 miles: 219 @ 90% and 242 @ 100%�
Jan 22, 2016
Todd Burch This winter my 90% has dropped from 234 to 232. (Weather-related? Perhaps.)
In the past, in hopes of boosting my range numbers I've tried an occasional 100% charge, timed to finish right before I left for work. Doing this did not show any improvement on my 90% numbers.
But the other day I set my car to do a 100% charge and timed it so that it would be sitting at 100% for 1-2 hours before I left for work. (Picked a cold day to minimize degredation, even though I know that sitting at 100% for just an hour or two isn't a big deal).
Since doing this, the next two days my range charge has been 234 miles instead of 232--so it went up 2 miles and has stayed there so far. I'm going to see if this holds. If so, I'll pick another cold day and do it again to see if there's any further improvement.
My current theory, after trying other things, is that the car may need to sit at 100% for a little bit of time in order to see upward movement in the indicated range.
Disclaimer: I don't range charge all that often--most of the time I charge to 90%. In the 15 months I've had this car, I've range charged perhaps 10 times or so.�
Jan 22, 2016
SmartElectric Early 2013 S85 with 72000 km.
Supercharged to 90% at 372 km (230 miles) tonight.
That's up from 365 when we bought as CPO over 15000 km ago...nice!�
Jan 24, 2016
vesder21 2.5 year old S60 (7/2013) with 34,500 miles and is charging to 173 miles @ 90%.
should i be concerned as that's a 17% degrade?�
Jan 24, 2016
RDoc 11,000 mi - 238 rated @90%�
Jan 24, 2016
maddog1762 3,000 miles P85D 226 at 90%�
Jan 24, 2016
gg_got_a_tesla 14,000 mile, 13-month-old, P85D: 224 miles at 90%, 248 miles at 100%.�
Jan 24, 2016
andrewket You're doing better than me.
19,013 mile, 13-month old P85D: 119 miles at 90%, 244 at 100%.�
Jan 24, 2016
David J S 90 @ 90% - 255 miles
80% - 225 miles�
Jan 24, 2016
jbcarioca 19,038 mile, 12 month old P 85D: 125 miles st 90%, 251 at 100%
these two are well within the li-ion margin of error for SOC algorithms. Even with consistent display discrepancies I'd be quite surprised if actual over-the-road experience would differ materially. There are so many assumptions that must be made that the estimates are exactly that- they are not measurements. Even SOC is an estimate subject to significant error.
So, should I worry that my 100% when I took delivery was 253 but today when I did it just to know my 100% was 251. OMG, should I panic?�
Jan 28, 2016
hiroshiy Maybe this thread is not a good place to ask, but I have a question regarding battery capacity difference between P85 and P85D (or any new vehicles). I live in Tokyo so my Model S is Japanese version, which is European spec with American charge connector.
I guess in the US, rated range is based on 300Wh/mile. Our typical range is similar to rated range, and is based on 320Wh/mile. When new my car had 394km typical, which means 394/1.6*320/300=263 rated miles. I now have 380km typical, which is 253 rated miles. Looks normal, right?
Now looking at my friends P85D new cars, they have 410km typical range when new. Based on the same formula, 410km typical is equivalent to 273 rated miles. I guess this is very high...
So do you think the battery capacity has increased with P85D? Or instead, definition of "typical range" has been changed?�
Jan 28, 2016
jerry33 The battery hasn't changed. The D has torque sleep which helps range. No idea whether the definition has changed.�
Jan 28, 2016
mknox Interestingly, my RWD now supposedly has "torque sleep" as well. It was stated in the v7.0 release notes as having been brought over from the D models. So now I'm not sure why the D's would have better range, especially considering the added weight of the second drive unit.�
Jan 28, 2016
apacheguy It's because the Ds can torque sleep either motor. At cruising speed, all mechanical load is transferred to the front motor. The rear goes to sleep. The smaller front motor is more efficient.�
Jan 28, 2016
mknox I suppose that's true, and I'm not trying to be argumentative, but Tesla used to say the the standard cars and the performance (P) cars got the exact same efficiency if driven the same. So in that case a smaller (non-P) motor wasn't more efficient for some reason??? I wonder what it is about the D cars that makes the front motor that much more efficient. Electric motors are already quite efficient, and it's the same energy requirement to power the car down the road in either case.�
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