Jun 16, 2016
Vrrooom I have a 2013 P85, 49k miles, 230 @ 90%.�
Jun 17, 2016
byan1232 Whoa.. I think that's really low actually. My 90% used to be 265. Now its down to 260 at 13000 miles driven.�
Jun 17, 2016
randall_s 3 week old P90DL with 21s. 90% is 252-254. 100% was 282 first trip if I remember correctly. I'm still getting used to the L so my energy usage is high; about 350 Wh/m or so.�
Jun 18, 2016
wdolson 1 1/2 week old S 90D, my 90% is 268 mi.�
Jun 20, 2016
randall_s After the recent software update, my 90% dropped to 248.�
Jun 20, 2016
JPUConn 45xx VIN
47k miles
85 B pack
230 at 90%
255 at 100%�
Jun 20, 2016
MSullivan One week old 75D is 234 miles at 90%.�
Jun 20, 2016
_TTT_ My P90DL with 1000 miles is 247-248 at 90%.�
Jun 20, 2016
randall_s Thanks for the information. What is the physical age of the pack and what is your charge routine? Do you normally charge to 90%? Do you charge at the end of the day or does is stay plugged in between commutes?�
Jun 20, 2016
JPUConn Car is new to me as of last week - it's a CPO that was a one owner out of Denver. Service manager said my vehicle has the original battery and drive unit so January 2013 build.
After I got it I did range charge to 100% and drove down to about 18% before charging back up to 90 with no change to the numbers and then did a road trip so charged back up to 100% and did see 256 miles- maybe i need to do more reading on 'balancing'.
I've had the car plugged in just about all the time when home or at my destinations but that is not my intention going forward. There are a bunch of 30 amp GE Watt-stations at my work and I plug the car in at work every day and let it run up to the default 90% and will only plug in at home if I am going to need more range than it takes me to get to work (~50 miles one way) or on the weekend.�
Jun 20, 2016
CleanPower My 90D had 261 miles range at 90% on the day I picked it up.
My 90D's range is now down to 237 miles of rated range at 90% and is 9 months old.
It seems I would have been better off ordering an 85D.
I have a service appointment next week. We will see what can be done to address this issue.�
Jun 20, 2016
wdolson The battery may need conditioning. Try charging to 100% and then drive the car soon after (within an hour of getting to 100%). The charging circuitry conditions the battery when you charge to 100%. A lot of people see their range increase back to closer to original.�
Jun 20, 2016
ZeroDarkSilver Me too! Mine went down from 251 to 246 immediately after the update finished...�
Jun 20, 2016
tinm Yay, I hit 228! My 2013 S85 (45K mi) 90% has been 227 since last fall, but this morning it hit 228. Prolly had to do with the garage being 95�F all day yesterday and never dropped below 80� last night. I've noticed the car's fan turning on loud while the car's charging of the HPWC. This heat wave may get me back to 230, who knows! I still miss 242 though. I think that was the peak 90% I used to get back in 2013.�
Jun 20, 2016
msnow That's all true but my experience is to run it down under 10% before you do that to get the best results.�
Jun 21, 2016
jerry33 Back in 2013, there were two charge levels, the one that mutated into Daily was 93%, the new daily is 90%, so you won't see 242 unless you charge at 93%.�
Jun 21, 2016
JPUConn Got a loaner car today
24,xxx VIN (9/13 build)
27k miles
85 RWD D pack
237 at 90%
Didn't do 100% charge (and don't plan to) but math says that should be right around 263�
Jun 21, 2016
Brass Guy I charged to 90% last night and got 219 reported by the app, the dash read 220.
Pretty low, but probably balance/algorithm issues. I haven't been below 40% in a months, nor over 90% in even longer. I often charge to 70%.
Just shy of 70k miles, VIN 17xxx.
I'm planning an extensive road trip soon so I expect the numbers to change a little.�
Jun 22, 2016
Barry F 2013 P85
VIN 21420
C Pack
35,777 miles
229 RM 90%
254 RM 100%
327 Wh/m average�
Jun 23, 2016
JPUConn Range charged today in the loaner for a long trip and 100% was 263�
Jun 23, 2016
mmccord I got the exact same numbers on my 85D today. (90%: 237, 100%: 263). 42k miles on it.�
Jun 24, 2016
mrjedistud 2013 P85 31,000 miles
90%=227, but sometime get 228�
Jun 24, 2016
MDMGSO47 S90 refreshed delivered June 1, 2016
210 at 90%. About what I expected.�
Jun 24, 2016
msnow If you have a 90D and your 90% is only 210 Rated Miles there's a problem. It should be 40-55 miles higher than that. Maybe you're looking at "Estimated" miles?�
Jun 24, 2016
MDMGSO47
My bad. Wishful thinking I guess.
S70 delivered June 1, 2016
210 miles at 90%�
Jun 24, 2016
ModelZ S85 delivered 12/14 with almost 33k on her now.
90% = 237 rMi.�
Jun 24, 2016
ScottUK P90DL face lift, early May 2016 build, rated 90% is 231, 100% is 258. From what I've been reading in this thread that is really low. Any thoughts? These figures are nearly exactly what I had on my previous P90D September 2015 build, I thought the face lift cars had higher displayed 'rated' miles?�
Jun 24, 2016
EMdoc12 Just took delivery of my refreshed 90D yesterday. 90% is 268.�
Jun 24, 2016
rpavlicek S60 Delivered Jan 27, 2013
Over 40k miles
90% = 181 rated miles.�
Jun 26, 2016
Boatguy S90D.
2,000 miles
90% = 258, down from 264 in two and a half months.
Oddly, my BMW i3 seems to have the same or more range after two years. Not entirely possible to tell because there is no "rated miles" equivalent on the i3, but no apparent loss of range.�
Jun 26, 2016
msnow The % loss is consistent to what I lost the first several weeks after delivery. Have you ever calibrated by driving down to 10 or 20% then charging at home to 100%?�
Jun 26, 2016
Boatguy I've arrived home with 20%, but then only charged to 90%.�
Jun 26, 2016
msnow Missed opportunity.
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Jun 26, 2016
jerry33 I don't know if BMW does this, but Mercedes doesn't give you the full usage of the pack and then uses the extra to hide any degradation.
In the case of the Tesla, it's more likely to be the algorithm and balancing rather than actual degradation.�
Jun 27, 2016
SpoolUp 2013 60 at 90%: 178 miles.�
Jun 29, 2016
tinm Well THAT was a surprise! Got in car this morning after it charged st 5am, and my 90% was 230! Haven't seen that in ages!�
Jun 29, 2016
msnow Was that after an update or out of the blue?�
Jun 29, 2016
tinm Out of the blue; no firmware updates lately. I'd mentioned as recently as June 20th in this thread that I'd "climbed" (woo-hoo!) from 227 to 228, and it'd been showing 228 each morning ever since my earlier post. But then today, 230!
Now, I have been driving really carefully lately, obsessively keeping the Wh/mi as far below 300 as possible. Maybe this is the car's computer's way of saying it likes what it sees, so here's a little reward�
Jun 29, 2016
Ames P90DL delivered December 2015 in Norway.
90% was 380 km / 236 miles at first supercharge. Now it is 356 km / 221miles. Mileage 13,000 km / 8000 miles.
100% charge is 396 km / 246 miles.�
Jun 29, 2016
wdolson Mine was 268 since I got it and then a couple of days ago it showed 270. It must be right on the edge of 270 because pulling it out of the driveway drops the range to 269. I've only had the car 3 weeks, so it's probably still getting used to me.�
Jun 30, 2016
travwill Part of it could be that its been getting warmer everywhere. Many of us see our Rated Range tick up in the Summer and then drop again in cooler weather.�
Jul 1, 2016
2virgule5 90D "refresh" delivered a week ago. 90% is 269 Miles.
Previous 2014 S85 @ 50.000 miles would show 242 miles @ 90% (264 miles @ 100%)�
Jul 1, 2016
jeffro01 Okay, now I'm convinced something is up with my battery\car... My 90% is now down to 248 which is barely over your 85 90% and nowhere near your 90D 90% of 269... Hell mine at 100% is only at 274 IIRC (been a bit since I charged to 100%)...
Tesla, either there is a difference in the 90 battery you're selling now vs the one you sold me last year, or my battery has a defect... Sadly I don't have the patience to make a big fuss about this to my local service center. Besides, they're likely too busy to care anyhow.
Yes I'm frustrated.
Jeff�
Jul 1, 2016
bcampbelllds 2015 P85D 13k miles 230 90%. 257-258 at 100%.�
Jul 1, 2016
msnow Jeff, I've confirmed they changed the battery and part number sometime between February and April this year. I've seen screenshots of the battery sticker to prove it. I'm in the same boat you are as far as range loss just not quite as bad. The "theory" is these refreshed batteries are locked 100 kWh battery packs which accounts for the higher capacity at 90% and 100% but still only using 90 kWh of the battery. Pure speculation but it would explain what we are seeing. Time will tell.�
Jul 1, 2016
2virgule5 Yes time will tell, including whether or not I'll see fast degradation on mine. Also, it is highly possible that those numbers factor other optimizations made to the car (less weight, better aerodynamics with refreshed nose etc). The same KWh would then give higher rated miles to reach the new EPA rating of 294 miles for a 90D.�
Jul 1, 2016
msnow Except some of these batteries starting appearing before the refreshed cars.�
Jul 1, 2016
jeffro01 Well that's a bummer... It's hard to get frustrated to the point of making noise as there isn't anywhere I go where range is ever going to really matter... On the other hand, I'm not getting the numbers I thought I was going to get... Or at least that's my perception..
I tried running the battery down to 0 but never could get it to the point of refusing to drive without the risk of backing out of my garage and not being able to get back in it again... I got it down far enough where the heater stopped producing heat... Charged back up to 90% and actually lost 2 miles of range... Go figure...
Jeff�
Jul 2, 2016
JPUConn Have the loaner a little longer than planned (no complaints!) and heading out for a road trip.
Balanced the pack this week and now see 267 on 100% on this D battery�
Jul 2, 2016
msnow The only way I was able to bring mine up from [email�protected]% to 253/254 was to drive it down to about 10-20 miles and then charge it fully overnight to 100%. That triggered the battery management system in the battery. It doesn't trigger at 90%. Just F.Y.I.�
Jul 2, 2016
Boatguy I got home last night with 27RM, charged to 100% last night and got 281.
Down from 294 in 2,000 miles and 2 1/2 months.�
Jul 2, 2016
msnow Hang in there. The BMS (Battery Management System) takes a while to recalibrate (sometimes days). If it is going to recalibrate your RR watch your regular 90% charges. They should go up.�
Jul 2, 2016
mfrey My 3 year old MS 60 with 32,000 miles gets 180RM at 90%�
Jul 5, 2016
fren model refreshed , at delivery 100% 457 km ( 283.9 miles ) , i ll update thread at 90%�
Jul 5, 2016
Jurnimon Picked up my MS on Saturday. '16 MS 90D non refresh.
90% is 264 @ 3,500 miles. That would extrapolate to ~293 @ 100%.�
Jul 12, 2016
jdw My July 2015 85D 90% charging history, YTD. Most of the sudden changes were firmware updates, except the drop in May, which happened after I left the car parked for three weeks at 50% charge. Mileage is about 9000 and I usually charge to 90% every morning and use 15-20% a day. Car was 239 when new. There were 4-5 range charges with a few of them being deeper discharges.
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Jul 13, 2016
jkk_ How did you get that graph, does some tool autogenerate it or?�
Jul 13, 2016
Mihai Has anyone with a 70D took note of their 90% charge and then upgraded to 75D and check the 90% charge again?
I am wondering for what exactly I would be paying 3000� .�
Jul 13, 2016
jdw I keep track of my daily charges in Numbers, an OS X spreadsheet app. The graph is a standard bar chart from Numbers, filtered on 90% charges, which most of mine are. I started doing this last December as I wanted a baseline and some trending.
Right now I am capturing Month, Day, Final %Charge, Starting %Charge, Rated & Ideal miles, kWh added, charge time and mileage as well as firmware updates. I use both Visible Tesla and Remote S to get the numbers.�
Jul 13, 2016
Middleseat I don't have a 70D, just a RWD S70, but my 90% varies between 208-211. I have only charged to 100% once, and got 231 miles.
I have only had the car for 3 weeks and haven't calibrated the battery (yet). That's next on my to-do list!�
Jul 25, 2016
wdolson I have a refresh S90D that's approaching 2 months old. My 90% has been around 268-269 and if I drive carefully my actual range is a few miles below that. Since the last update it's changed a bit. The first time I drove it after the update, the range was only 264 and my actual range was around 250. When I got home, the HPWC wouldn't charge the car. It had red lights and the charging port turned red.
I finally turned off the breaker and rebooted the HPWC. After that I've been consistently getting 270 miles at 90% and the actual range running errands around town is almost exactly the same as the rated miles. I did 9.1 miles of in town driving today and it said I had 261 range left when I got home. I'll see what it does highway tomorrow, I have to go down to Salem, OR and back.�
Jul 25, 2016
msnow @wdolson - what is your firmware version?�
Jul 25, 2016
wdolson V 7.1 2.28.19
I think it updated Friday evening.�
Jul 25, 2016
Boatguy That's outstanding. I have a four month old S90D and my 90% is about 260 and was only 264 when new.�
Jul 25, 2016
wdolson It looks like your car is about 6000 before mine, is yours a pre-refresh?
I've been waiting for the range to degrade, but so far it hasn't. I'm sure it will eventually.�
Jul 26, 2016
msnow Did your 100% ever get back over 281 after balancing?�
Jul 26, 2016
Boatguy Yes, pre-refresh. I took delivery at the factory the day before they announced the refresh!�
Jul 26, 2016
Boatguy Yes, it came back up to about 288-289, down from 292 when new, so not really a significant change.�
Jul 26, 2016
BozieBeMe2 2015 S85 with 10,598k miles
7.1 (v2.28.19)
At 90%
rated range - 242.1
estimated - 241.5
average - 305.3
We usually leave the charge at 60% for a few weeks, then up it to 89% for the next few weeks. After that, we lower it back to 60% and repeat the cycle over again.
At times when we have a longer trip planned, we will charge up to 90%
Most of the charging has been from home, aside of a few major SC trips. It has never seen anything higher than 90% or lower than 20%.�
Jul 27, 2016
tennis Refreshed 70D, 212 miles at 90%. Had the car for two weeks.�
Jul 27, 2016
x43x Just took delivery of a 2013 CPO S60 with 38.5K miles. Fully charged by Tesla with 196 miles out the door. Put 50 some miles on it commuting then charged it to 90% overnight, getting 177 miles now. I'm pretty happy with those numbers.�
Jul 27, 2016
lloyds Have a 2014 P85+ with 60k miles. 90% gets me 225. Have not tried rebalancing or charging to full.�
Jul 27, 2016
Brass Guy I just got home today from my trip from MA to CA and back, with a few side trips. 8096 miles total.
I range charged to 245 miles at 100% before I left. 90% was consistently 221 miles.
The lowest I got down to was 14 miles, and I did charge to 100% once more during the trip. I always beat EVTripPlanner's energy use, and often did better than range miles, even using AC driving 70 or 75.
My longest leg was 266 miles from Old Faithful (plug share) to Sheridan SC. That was a real nail biter until I gained 15 miles coming off the mountain just before the end. Finished that one with 42 left!
So my 90% didn't change like I thought it would, but it doesn't really matter. It seems I can go about anywhere in this thing!�
Jul 28, 2016
xlpro P85
237-238 Miles�
Jul 28, 2016
vtvox 1 month old 90D. It's usually either 263mi or 259mi.�
Jul 28, 2016
Texas P85DL, current 90% Rated Range is 225. I always operate the car in Ludicrous mode. When I took delivery late in May 2015 and for several months thereafter, my 90% Rated Range was consistently 227 miles. By December 2015 typical 90% had dropped to 224. In 2016, the 90% dipped a few times to 223. It then gradually reversed the trend, holding steady at 224, then rising to 225 the last time I set 90%, a few days ago in late July 2016. Car has 7055 miles on the odometer. The 100% level also reversed its downward trend, rising from 249 earlier this year to 251 when I set a full charge a few weeks ago. When new, a100% charge would register 253 miles of range. The period when the mileage improved coincides with my decision to routinely charge only to 80%, which I dropped after a few months down to 70% routine daily charge. This may or may not explain why the range numbers improved. Last noted firmware change went to Firmware v 7.1 ( 7.1(2.24.86) installed around 062416�
Jul 29, 2016
SD Diver 2013 P85+ with 55k miles. 229 at 90% with staggered 21s. Now with 19" cyclones I'm st 235 at 90%�
Jul 29, 2016
wdolson Your rated range probably started going up because you charged to 100%. It's good to charge to 100% once in a while if you're going to drive it right away. The batteries don't like to sit at 100% charge, but charging to 100% conditions and balances the battery pack. If the range starts to drop, it's a good idea to charge it to 100% a couple of times and see if it improves.�
Jul 29, 2016
Ashman S75D 230�
Jul 29, 2016
msnow 259-263 (4 miles) is a pretty wide spread, over 3%. I assume you are comparing recent finished 90% numbers right?�
Jul 31, 2016
docrice 230 miles at 90% (2014 S85, 43k miles). Have never done a 100% charge, did 95% once.�
Jul 31, 2016
ArtInCT After 5 months I am at 235 miles with 6,400 miles on my P90DL. firmware = 2.28.19
When new I was at 241 miles on firmware 2.12.126.
So about a 2.5% reduction so far.
I normally schedule charge daily to 75% and only go up to 90 at the end of month or for longer road trips.
The S spends most of its time plugged in to a HPWC.�
Aug 2, 2016
syswei 70D with 2k miles. Used to get 211 miles at 90%, now 208. I'm wondering if battery/range ever "recovers"? Or am I destined only to degrade further from 208?�
Aug 2, 2016
f-stop 8 month old 70D, approx 7500km
90% is consistently 345-346km rated range (so 215miles), no noticeable change since buying the car.
I've range charged 3 or 4 times. Used to charge daily to 90% but lately charging to 65% nightly�
Aug 4, 2016
jerjozwik hmmm we are VERY close.
237, 6,125 miles, 90%, 2.28.60.
i have not run below 60% in a long time... so that estimate is probably off by a bit.�
Aug 5, 2016
Ames You guys are doing really well. My 90% is 221at 10,250 miles. I am beginning to think that almost any P85D has better range than my P90DL regardless of mileage, including the ones we have out here. I have asked Tesla about it and they say it's normal and is calculated according to the configuration of my car and how I drive and the environment. My lifetime Wh/Mile is 341. The only reason I can think I'm getting such low rated range is because I use the AC 100% of the time and during the summer the battery needs cooling for a few minutes whenever the car is started.�
Aug 5, 2016
msnow EPA is NOT calculated on how you drive. It bothers me that Tesla still puts this misinformation out there.�
Aug 5, 2016
Sandman1962 My 90% is 245, a P90D, about 2000 mi so far. The 2000 most enjoyable miles ever.�
Aug 5, 2016
boonedocks 2015 May delivery 85D 36,670 miles 90% according to ConnecTT
Est: 208
Rated: 237
Ideal: 299�
Aug 5, 2016
jerjozwik it may also be due to our battery revision, which is capable of more amazing feats.�
Aug 5, 2016
jcaspar Just checked. 2013 P85 with 29,500 miles. 233.8 via VisibleTesla. numerous range charges. I do not charge every day, usually charge to 80 then let it drop to about 50 over a few days before recharging again.�
Aug 17, 2016
Polly Wog For my classic 85, I've been consistently at 237 rated miles for my 90% and 264 for my 100% since early March. Recently, I did two 100% charges on consecutive days (I've never done that before), and my 100% was 263 each time. Last night, my 90% charge was 238 rated miles. No complaints. I'm about 150 miles short of reaching the 30,000 mile mark.�
Aug 17, 2016
mmccord Also a May '15 85D here. Just rolled over 45k miles. 237 @ 90%.�
1/1/2015
guest I haven't driven too much in mine, but it's usually 226 or 225 at 90%. Late 2013 P85+ with 21" wheels. Did a range charge a week or so ago and it capped out at 251 miles.�
1/1/2015
guest S90D. 5,000 miles and 256mi @ 90%. Could probably get it to 258 if I did a full discharge/charge cycle to recalibrate.�
1/1/2015
guest Did you start at 265/266 @90%?�
1/1/2015
guest 264�
1/1/2015
guest I know the feeling. In my case I didn't know if it was the algorithm or degradation. It's probably a little of both. The good news is that it starts to stabilize.�
1/1/2015
guest Nov. 2015 Model S 70D with about 10500 miles, daily charged to 90%, and charged to 100% probably 8 times since taking delivery:
- 90% SoC seems to be settling around 214 rated miles (bounced between 215 and 214 when new).
- 100% SoC has been 236-238 rated miles (most recent 100% was 236, but the car has never charged higher than 238... even on its first 100% charge the week after we took delivery).
Putting things in perspective, this is worlds better than the Leaf that I had from 2012 through 2015... The Leaf lost an average of 1% pack capacity for every 1000 miles driven based on my tracking with LeafSpy. We turned the car in at the end of its lease with ~21k miles on it and about 20% pack degradation.�
1/1/2015
guest Comment on your Leaf... that is definitely the original Leaf battery issue.
Our 2015 Leaf just crossed over 35k miles in 11 months. No degradation of the battery at all. Still get ~100 miles in city or ~80 on highway.
Still cannot wait for our Tesla to come in though�
1/1/2015
guest Interestingly my BMW i3 has actually gained a little range after two years. But BMW ships it with a buffer as there is a 22kWh battery of which only about 19kWh is available. That's also why it has full regen at a 100% charge. Sort of like owning a 60D that comes with the 75kWh battery.
But Telsa always wants to over promise and under deliver. When selling the car, they promote 294mi of range. In reality, after five months, it's more like this. 256 @ 90% = 284 rated miles (RM) @ 100%. But my car drops an RM for every 273W consumed, while actually averaging 303W/mi, so in reality I get 256mi of real driving range (273 / 303 = .9 * 294 = 256) in a car that is advertised as having 294mi of range. The reality is I get 13% less range than was advertised while my BMW is getting about 5% more than advertised.
Kinda funny how the math works out that my 90% charge is also my real world driving range with a 100% charge.�
1/1/2015
guest 90% is 248 miles after 4.5 months and 5,600 miles on my P90DL. Initially 252-254 in late May, but immediately dropped to 248 after a software update. Has remained at 248 since then. I always charge to 90% and keep in plugged in. It's been charged to 100% maybe 5 times and supercharged a dozen times. Normal charge is at 40 amps. Haven't done a 100% charge in several months.�
1/1/2015
guest It's one part the poor chemistry mix of the original Leaf pack (remember, the pack had two different chemistry cells to cut costs), lack of any meaningful thermal management (again, cost cutting), and the fact that it's brutally hot out here for much of the year (I live about 20 miles outside of Mojave, CA).�
1/1/2015
guest After 3 months and about 2500 miles, I'm still getting 268 @ 90%. Since the beginning it's been 268-269, it kind of bounces around. It will drop to around 266 if the car sits for a couple of days, but that's vampire loss.
I've never charged to 100%, but I guess that would be around 298 rated miles. I guess I got lucky and got a pack that, so far, hasn't degraded any.
The car has also been light on problems. There was a bit of red paint in the white under the frunk lid on delivery which they got rid of before I took it home and it appears the baffle for directing the air conditioning vents don't direct air up to the upper vents quite right. Cold air leaks into the passenger footwell when the A/C is on, much to my SO's annoyance. I'm taking it in today for that.�
1/1/2015
guest My 2014 Model S is at 185, and has actually been trending upward.�
1/1/2015
guest You just jinxed it with the "I guess I got lucky and got a pack that, so far, hasn't degraded any..." comment.�
1/1/2015
guest I am still at 235 rated miles at 90%. Now at 8,500 miles.
Now usually charging to 50% on a daily basis using HPWC with 131 rated miles.
Car usually plugged in.
The few times (once actually) that I got to 99% I was at 263 rated miles.
I have never gone below 15% and probably should one of these days.
When brand new in March 2016 I do recall 241 rated miles at 90%... so I have lost 6 miles on the P90DL.
It probably needs a balancing....�
1/1/2015
guest Update on my early 2013 S85:
90% - 223 Rated, 260 Ideal miles
100% - 248 Rated, 281 Ideal miles
I have an A-pack with about 73,000 miles on the clock.�
1/1/2015
guest Refresh P90D with approximately 2000 miles
7.1 (v2.28.19)
At 90%
rated range - 244
At 100%
rated range - 271
Not sure if range mode influences these numbers but they reflect it being off.�
1/1/2015
guest That's possible.�
1/1/2015
guest You're saying Tesla "always wants" to over promise but under delivers and you use range on a BMW i3 vs. Tesla as an example, as well as battery longevity?
Okay, whatever.�
1/1/2015
guest Report from our early 2013 (A-pack).
Interestingly, we live close (60 miles) to @mknox, so our cars have gone through similar weather conditions (winter, etc).
50000 miles (80000 km)
When charging from UMC:
90% 230 miles (371 km)
100% 256 miles (413 km)
When supercharging:
100% 259 miles (417 km)
These numbers haven't moved for the past year and 20000 km of driving.
We've supercharged a dozen times over the past year, and the few times we've done that to 100% the range registers as 417 km, and it takes about 5 km of driving for the range number on the dash to start dropping. Interesting behaviour which we don't see when charging at 24A on our UMC in the garage.�
1/1/2015
guest My Smart ED has a 17.6 kWh battery pack, and I actually have slightly more capacity than that based on the battery measurement done at my one and only visit to the dealership (to do the 20000 km maintenance) in the past 3 years. So my little sub $20K car is at least as good as the BMW i3 in that respect.
Let's put this in perspective :
My family has a Tesla that has only lost 3% range in 3.5 years 80000 km, and that is 410 km out of 425 km original range.
Whereas my Smart ED and your BMW i3 start with ~ 100 km range and have about that much now.
So you claim Tesla is under delivering on range?! Seriously.�
1/1/2015
guest 2013 Model S - 85Kwh - 70,000 miles
100% - 240 miles rated
90% - 220 miles rated�
1/1/2015
guest Is the recommendation 80% charge nightly or 90%? Or does it depend on your daily driving habits? Anyone have any recs?�
1/1/2015
guest If you know your driving schedule rather well, and it's minimal, then no harm in charging to 60% nightly. Then charge more if you know you are going to need the extra the next day. If your life is a little more....unpredictable, you can stick to the 80 or 90% charge nightly.
/edit Basically since I know my driving schedule rather well, I charge just as much as I need, keeping my car around 60-70% charged every day.�
1/1/2015
guest I don't charge everyday anymore but when I do charge it's usually 90%.�
1/1/2015
guest 232 rated miles at 90% on my 75D after 4000 miles. Have never charged to 100%. I once charged to 255 miles at a supercharger but stopped before it was done since we wanted to leave .�
1/1/2015
guest 234-235 @ 90% on my 2014 P85+ with 17K miles�
1/1/2015
guest I took mine to the service center to check cold air leaking from the lower vents when the A/C is on. After they checked with engineering in Palo Alto, they found out it was working as designed, so they ended up doing nothing. I do wish they had talked to engineering before I had to drive all the way down there.
They said they didn't do anything to the car, but I just charged it to 90% and it says 271. It was 268 before I took it in. There was a minor firmware update while it was in the shop.�
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