Thứ Năm, 24 tháng 11, 2016

CHAdeMO Adapter part 2

  • Jul 24, 2014
    TonyWilliams
    It's not the standard from CHAdeMO that requires some of the DOZENS of manufacturers to build something as basic as an AC to DC rectifier poorly. That is one huge advantage of Tesla Superchargers today... one standard, one quality. In the future, with Nissan and BMW potentially onboard, things will change!!!

    There are reliable CHAdeMO chargers. I'm loathe to advertise one that I know of that has done THOUSANDS of charges without failure or I'll get flagged as a bad poster.
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    dsm363
    I'm sure there are good manufacturers of the standard. But there are many poorly made ones so you can't depend on them. That doesn't take away from the fact that the plug is massive, heavy and ugly. And anywhere from 30-60% slower. Still better they 30A level 2 station so I'm glad adapter is coming out.

    Telling us accurate information shouldn't get you flagged as a bad poster. Users can no longer give neg rep anyway.
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    FlasherZ
    Like Dave notes, noting a manufacturer or a specific charger that has been reliable for you likely won't get you flagged. Just be careful if you have an interest financially in the report.

    But if you were aggressive about it - "I know that the MyCompanyHere chargers which can do 80.21 GW for 18 hours on end are the bestest most fantasticest chargers in the world and billions have been served there with no problems at all. You too can own one by going to http://www.mycompanyhere.example.com, and if you act now I think I - err, they - have a special going on where you'll get 45% off just by mentioning TMC!" - you'd have an issue I'm sure.
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    dirkhh
    Please do tell. That's useful information.
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    brianman
    Tasty.
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    Doug_G
    It's his charge station, and he's not supposed to advertise because he's not a forum sponsor. Thus the reluctance.
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    markb1
    But the discussion more about the manufacturer, which I think he could name without any problems. Unless he is the manufacturer, I guess.
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    miimura
  • Jul 24, 2014
    drees
    Tony is referring to a Fuji 25 kW CHAdeMO located at San Juan Capistrano operated by evoasis.

    Interestingly, evoasis has just opened two more stations 15 miles up I5 at the new Mariott Courtyard in Irvine, but these are 44 kW Nissan units are are stations known to have overheating issues mentioned earlier. Hopefully they can keep these running smoothly as they are at a great location (and I'd still like to see a 2nd charger installed at SJC!)
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    RiverBrick
    Covered parking is definitely a plus. A Nissan dealer in Vermont has had to resort to putting a plastic garbage bag over their unit to protect it from the elements.
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    widodh
    That is really sad.

    In the Netherlands we are seeing more and more Abb chargers from FastNed now and they are working just fine. Can't wait to use the CHAdeMO adapter there.

    Any additional news about the adapter yet? Hong Kong counts 7 CHAdeMO chargers, so I assume they want the adapter as well since public L2 charging is hard to find there.
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    PhilBa
    The latest news is Sept/Oct but then when ever we get close to the last announced (approximate) ship date, it moves out a couple of months. At this point, I pretty much don't believe any date I hear.
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    liuping
    Maybe it will be out when 6.0 comes out?

    I don't trust any dates at this point either, but I will be happy when it finally ships. ;)
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    dsm363
    If I can paraphrase Allen Iverson
    "We're talking about 25kW CHAdeMO station. I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about 25kW, not a Supercharger, not a Supercharger, not a Supercharger, but we're talking about 25 kW. Not the Supercharger that I go out there and drive to and charge every week like it's my last but we're talking about 25 kW man."
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    widodh
    Hehe, true. Tesla should know however, I'll pay that EUR 1.000,00 in a heartbeat. Just give me the adapter!
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    cynix
    Pretty sure they're only working on an adapter for the US/JP model charge port. The Mennekes 2 version would have to wait even longer � they haven't even released an UMC for Mennekes 2 yet.
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    widodh
    Err, I had a Type 2 / 'Mennekes' UMC since day 1 with my Model S.
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    cynix
    Oops, my bad. I'm thinking about the Australian version :p
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    scottf200
    Isn't the issue they need it to work reliably and that is likely the holdup. That is perhaps not a problem at all with their adapter but an issue with the chademo chargers not being able to handle the load for that long. Wouldn't that result in a poor customer experience and then a lot of finger pointing ... and a lot of bad press. Why would Tesla want that?

    I also thought the high load was > 45kW and not the 25kW chargers. Those may be a little painful for empty Model S owners to charge from ... and that means LEAFs don't get to charge for a long time.
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    dhrivnak
    Which is 5x faster than the typical public J1772 (now typically crippled to 203V and 24 amps). Not sure about you but I will take 5x the speed any day especially along routes where there is no plan for Supercharging.
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    widodh
    Not to forget that a lot (In Europe) of CHAdeMO is 50kW. That makes me happy as well.
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    qwk
    It must be different out East, but for travel purposes, public J1772 charging(the 30A variety) is completely useless, unless one plans to spend the night. It's much better to just find an RV park.
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    jomo25
  • Jul 24, 2014
    gavine
    Classic. I'm in the Philly area and I saw that interview live (on TV) when it happened. "I'm supposed to be a franchise player and we talkin' 'bout practice?"
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    RiverBrick
    We've all seen photos of people, apparently beta-testers, using this adapter in the wild. However, we don't know when it will be released. I don't think the beta-testers know much more as well, but are bound by a non-disclosure agreement anyway.

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    Are any networks besides Blink crippling what should be be 30 amp stations?
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    dhrivnak
    Not that I know of but because I am here in Tennessee and Blink installed 80+% of all charging stations for us it is a very real issue as very slow charging just became VERY VERY slow charging. If I recall Blink installed nearly half of all public charging stations so it is a significant % of what is out there.

    Then from what I have seen traveling; most RV parks are a bit off the road with very little within waking distance. So while they are an option they are not often a great one to charge as even 40 amps is only like 30 miles/hour or about 6 hours to charge a nearly depleted battery
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    qwk
    I have used a 30A 208 V j1772 once, and will never fall for that again. 12hrs vs 6.5 is a huge difference. Most J1772 charging is a joke. I will agree that most RV parks aren't in the best locations, but what exactly do people do for 12 hours even in a good location, while the car charges? It's bad enough to try and kill 6 hours.
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    dsm363
    I would take that too. But there aren't many really outside west coast, Houston and Tennessee. They are all within city limits. But of course if there was a 25kW station along a route that would be better than level 2. Until they start deploying 4-8 CHAdeMO stations at a location and place them along major routes the adapter won't be useful for many people. Still decent for destination charging if you aren't staying overnight.
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    TonyWilliams
    Tesla has indeed used this charger at San Juan Capistrano with their CHAdeMO adaptor.

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    There are 22 Marriott properties to go throughout SoCal, in addition the the charge plaza that you already know about. So, what would you like first... more locations or more chargers at existing locations?

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    I hope we are the "they"... with already the first dual CHAdeMO install in the USA that I'm aware of, we will likely also have the first 4-8 CHAdeMO charge plaza.
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    jomo25
    Tony, any chance one of the Marriott properties near Disney will get one by October? Disneyland vicinity is badly in need of something faster than L2!

    And assuming the new Adapter timeline sticks.
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    TonyWilliams
    Sorry, not by October. But, the install rate will pick up from the first two sites.
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    arg
    The euro version has been seen in the wild too, under test by Tesla.

    If the problems are techincal, they will probably appear almost simultaneously; if there are regulatory issues that would be a reason for one or other to be delayed unpredictably.
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    cynix
    That's encouraging. Hope they start testing an Australian UMC too.
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    markb1
    Wait, does the Australian Model S use a third type of charge port?
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    cynix
    Nope, same as EU. But we have a different plug type on the wall outlet side.
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    dirkhh
    Personally I think more locations first.
    I hope those 22 stations will be of the stable, non-Nissan 50kW variety.
    Just like 208V/30A Level 2 chargers are annoying, I'm sure we'll soon (OK, at some point) start complaining about 25kW CHAdeMO stations... That's still >3h with an empty 85...
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    markb1
    But that's just the little adapter on the end that would different. Or does the EU UMC not have interchangeable adapters?
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    drees
    SJC is special in that it's the last Marriott heading south before Pendleton which makes it a natural place to stop to charge, so in this case, I think it actually makes sense to get a 2nd stall there as we all know how much a 2nd plug reduces your chances of finding the plug unavailable. Especially once the adapter is available and Model Ss start using the stations for 60+ kWh charges. For hotel use, I'm actually a bit surprised they aren't going for L2 stations as overnight even at 30A is usually plenty unless you can be sure to keep cars moving through the QC station.

    CSU Northridge has had dual Nissan QCs for 6 months now. Still not sure if they are the first location to have two.
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  • Jul 24, 2014
    cynix
    I'm not sure. All I know is that Tesla does not have any concrete info or release date on the Australian UMC. If it was as simple as an extra plug adapter, why wouldn't they include it with our car like they do with the US version?
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  • Jul 25, 2014
    jkirkebo
    Sleep? We've exceeded 4000 miles now on our vacation, and only done two SuperCharges. The rest of the trip has been mainly charging while speeping and a few sessions of 22kW AC during the day.
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  • Jul 25, 2014
    jrreno
    Could we get this thread back to discussion of the CHAdeMO adapter?
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  • Jul 25, 2014
    dirkhh
    Moderators, cleanup on aisle 9
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  • Aug 1, 2014
    nlc
    Seen and touched a CHAdeMO adapter last Week End :love:
    It works well, don't know what they are waiting to launch production !?
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  • Aug 1, 2014
    widodh
    Request for more information! Where? What? When? Why?
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  • Aug 1, 2014
    bluefuego
    It was probably one of the beta units out in the wild being tested. I have seen same. It looks pretty good and seems to be working pretty well from what I have heard.
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  • Aug 1, 2014
    widodh
    I assume so. But nlc lives in France, that got my attention.
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  • Aug 1, 2014
    agw
    The main reason is due to compatibility. How would you feel if you paid $1000 and went to plug in a station with which the adapter is not yet compatible?
    Sadly the number of variation in ChaDeMo implementation is pretty high and, as of today, many stations are working fine but some still do not. Patience is a virtue.
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  • Aug 1, 2014
    andrewket
    I wonder if the firmware in the CHAdeMO adapter is remotely upgradable?
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  • Aug 1, 2014
    stopcrazypp
    I would be impressed if it's even upgrade-able at all. And unless it can somehow tether from a connection to the car it would need some kind of internet connection ability.
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  • Aug 1, 2014
    agw
    I believe that, in some ways, it is...
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  • Aug 1, 2014
    J-Philipp
    Is there a firmware in the CHAdeMO adapter? I thought it was only hardware. And it came to my ears that from firmware 5.11, all Model Ss are CHAdeMO capable, at least for the purpose of testing.

    (I don't know if this information is specific to European cars).
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  • Aug 2, 2014
    andrewket
    It would make sense to try to make the adapter as dumb as possible. Put the intelligence into the vehicle software.
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  • Aug 2, 2014
    NigelM
    Mod Note: The discussion on business case for Chademo went here. :)
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  • Aug 2, 2014
    AndY1
    Or adapter's firmware could be upgraded via the Model S's charging port, via the pilot signal, when the adapter is plugged to the car. It the car can communicate to the Chademo charging station via the Chademo adapter, then it could certainly be able to communicate to the Chademo adapter too.
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  • Aug 2, 2014
    markb1
    It seems very likely to me that there is, given the complexity of what the adapter has to do. If there's a microcontroller in, there's firmware. Now, I would presume they would design the firmware to try to minimize firmware updates. Or they could probably even design it so the firmware gets updated automatically when it's attached to the car, and then firmware updates wouldn't be a big deal.

    Edit: Oh, sorry, this is partially redundant with what AndY1 said.
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  • Aug 2, 2014
    andrewket
    I thought of this as well but I didn't think the protocol supports it. Fairly low bandwidth as well.
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  • Aug 2, 2014
    stopcrazypp
    Given the Model S connector uses a CAN-Bus, it might be possible that's it's a straight pass through. The only signals the CHAdeMO adaptor would then have to simulate would be the analog ones.

    Looking forward to seeing people dissecting the CHAdeMO adapter after it's out.
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  • Aug 2, 2014
    nlc
    Was last sunday during the French Tesla "Fully Charged Tour". One of the Tesla representative who have a CHAdeMO adapter for beta testing purpose showed it to me.

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    I don't think it can be pass-through, because the CAN bus over pilot line they use when they communicate with supercharger can't do high bitrate speed.

    Don't know which electronic part of the TMS manage the CAN bus over pilot line for supercharger session, but technically it's theoretically possible to update the firmware of the CHAdeMO adapter, because the CAN bus over pilot line is bidirectional and they can embed a bootloader in the CHAdeMO adapter


    I have not seen any screw, probably the adapter will be dead after dismantling !!! :eek:
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  • Aug 3, 2014
    TonyWilliams
    I have dissected both the Tesla Roadster and Model S charge cables, and without exception, everything is potted (even the Tesla plug).

    It absolutely won't be usable after dissection. There's no guarantee that everything could be learned by cutting only one up.
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  • Aug 3, 2014
    scottf200
    Did they say anything about it's usage and if it was overheating the chademo chargers when charging at a high rate for a long time?
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  • Aug 5, 2014
    nlc
    He never had any problem for now
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  • Aug 5, 2014
    Doug_G
    Are you kidding? Of course there is. I'm sure only the very simplest of electronic devices manufactured today don't have firmware. In this case there are complex protocol conversion required, so absolutely yes it would have firmware in it.
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  • Aug 5, 2014
    widodh
    Did he mention anything at all about a release date?
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  • Aug 5, 2014
    nlc
    I asked but he don't know
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  • Aug 11, 2014
    matbl
    According to a person on the swedish forums he was informed that the chademo adapter that he ordered together with the car would be delivered in Q1 2015... So I guess that's the current target for the european version...
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  • Aug 11, 2014
    PoweredByRain
    Just in time for CHAdeMO's decline into obscurity to really begin...

    :)


    I wonder if some day Nissan will deliver Leafs with Combo plugs rather than CHAdeMO, just as Sony eventually started making VHS VCRs.
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  • Aug 11, 2014
    EdA
    :) :) :)
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  • Aug 11, 2014
    Mayhemm
    That would be nice. The only probably being that Blu-ray (Tesla plug) already exists. Both CHAdeMO and CCS are archaic in comparison.
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  • Aug 11, 2014
    stopcrazypp
    In Europe though, CCS is poised to be like micro-USB. It's mandated by law to be the bare minimum for public DC chargers installed going forward.
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  • Aug 11, 2014
    matbl
    And that's why we need a CCS adapter instead!
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  • Sep 12, 2014
    PeterK
    I'm not sure if this has been spotted before, but while researching charging stations in VT on Plugshare I happened across photos of a Tesla CHAdeMO adapter in use in the wild.

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    I didn't think these were out yet - they're "Coming Soon" on the Tesla website - so perhaps this is a Beta? Charging station (which apparently also has a Frankenplug) is in Middlebury, VT:

    Mill Street Parking, Middlebury, VT | Middlebury, VT | Electric Car Charging Station | PlugShare

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    I was surprised to discover that this is one of 8 CHAdeMo stations in VT on Plugshare, only one of which is at a Nissan dealer.
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  • Sep 12, 2014
    Cosmacelf
    The Chademo adapter is now shipping with new cars delivered in Japan as of a few days ago.
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  • Sep 12, 2014
    aznt1217
    Yes we know it's shipping in Japan, but what about the US...?
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  • Sep 13, 2014
    GSP
    It will be great when it finally ships in the US, and also in Estonia which is probably the #2 country for CHAdeMo after Japan.

    GSP
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  • Sep 13, 2014
    dpeilow
    We have more CHAdeMO sites in the UK than Estonia now.
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  • Sep 13, 2014
    GSP
    Great news (well, news to me anyway...), and all the more reason for Tesla to get the EU version of the CHAdeMo adapter in production!

    GSP
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  • Sep 13, 2014
    AmpedRealtor
    Now the excuse will be that they are prioritizing CHAdeMO adapters for Japanese shipments, therefore US release will be further delayed. Just wait for it.
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  • Sep 13, 2014
    Cottonwood
    What's the Japanese version of Craig's List? Time to make some offers to buy in Japan; there are probably Japanese MS owners that don't need their CHAdeMO adapter much...

    Do Japanese MS buyers get a CHAdeMO adapter with the car, or do they have to order it as an option?
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  • Sep 13, 2014
    jrreno
    Is the Tesla side connection in Japan identical to the US connection? I know Europe's is different.
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  • Sep 13, 2014
    TonyWilliams
    It's the same as the US one. Only Europe gets a special one so far.
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  • Sep 13, 2014
    cynix
    By "only" you mean "the rest of the world" :p
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  • Sep 13, 2014
    miimura
    Well, it's USA, Canada, and Japan on the Tesla proprietary vehicle inlet, then the rest of the world on the Tesla modified Type-2 inlet.

    All Japanese delivered Model S vehicles have the CHAdeMO adapter included.
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  • Sep 14, 2014
    stopcrazypp
    To clarify: "rest of the world" means Europe, Australia, and China/Hong Kong.
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  • Sep 14, 2014
    Yggdrasill
  • Sep 14, 2014
    Mario Kadastik
    Really? That's nice :) Last I remembered you guys had something in single digits, when did the buildout to over 163 happen :D

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    If I remember right someone reported that at a CHAdeMO meeting Tesla was presenting the adapter and when asked it indeed was rated for over 100kW. But I'd have to dig back a few threads to find the quote so take with a grain of salt...
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  • Sep 14, 2014
    jontracey
    Hi Mario yes we have a very significant number live today, and another 60 going in as part of an EU rollout in the next few months. We should be well over 200 by christmas
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  • Sep 14, 2014
    simonog
    The difference is driven by standards bodies and regulation and is related to the USA having its 110V mains supply whereas Europe and much of the rest of the world has 220-240V. The Type 2 connector was commissioned as a standard by the EU who recognised the risk of disparate charging connectors and protocols together with safety (socket only live if there is a suitable control signal) meant that something other than a CEE32 / 16 socket (commando) was needed.

    For a government, it was an unusually good move! As a result, there has been confidence among car and charging point manufacturers, and among customers, helping the takeup of electric vehicles.
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  • Sep 14, 2014
    GSP
    Mario,

    I also remember Tesla rating their CHAdeMo adapter at 100 kW. I think this is the maximum allowed by the CHAdeMo specification.

    Smart move on Tesla's part, since no changes will be needed when higher power CHAdeMo chargers are installed.

    GSP

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    Sounds like less than 140 in the UK now. Interesting: 140 < 163 the last time I checked. Are you guys claiming victory before the fat lady sings? :smile:

    GSP
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  • Sep 14, 2014
    Cottonwood
    Anyone know what one of those Kia 100 kW CHAdeMO stations costs. A 100 kW CHAdeMO station and a Tesla CHAdeMO adapter do a pretty good job of imitating a Supercharger.
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  • Sep 14, 2014
    Cosmacelf
    Except that Kia and others will be typically installing ONE charging bay per location as opposed to Tesla's 4-12. Which is a huge difference.
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  • Sep 14, 2014
    Cottonwood
    I was thinking the Kia may be more willing to sell their CHAdeMO charger than Tesla is willing to sell a Supercharger. This could be a replacement for private and/or non-Tesla constructed Superchargers.
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  • Sep 14, 2014
    Mark Petersen
    For the Japan release did it come with a manual or any instructions ?
    If it did can you please post them here on the forum
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  • Sep 14, 2014
    joer00
    Don't expect anything interesting in the maual other than 1000 warnings. Just plug in and charge. It's an adapter with no switches or anything else.
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  • Sep 14, 2014
    mgboyes
  • Sep 14, 2014
    hiroshiy
    Unfortunately it didn't have any information other than how to use it. With some visual icon, no text. It says connect the charger plug to the adapter, and then connect the adapter to Model S. Actually you have to press the start button on the charger just before connecting the adapter to the car.
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  • Sep 20, 2014
    wycolo
    The chademo could be accessed from both (all) sides so 4 cars could reach the cable. Then when your Kia is done charging after 4 minutes and you are across the street getting a burrito . . .
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  • Oct 9, 2014
    Tyl
    The new CHAdeMO location in Palo Alto CA Lytton and Central Expressway. It is located on the north side of the street. There is a charge point charger at there as well.
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  • Oct 10, 2014
    LuckyLuke
    is it me or did the price just drop to $450 ?

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  • Oct 10, 2014
    Benjamin Brooks
    LOL, yeah I see that too, but farther down on the product page it still says $1000.
    I'd gladly pay $450 for the CHAdeMO adapter...

    Also see that the store's HPWC price dropped from $1200 to $750 to match the new Design Studio price.
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  • Oct 10, 2014
    TexasEV
    Chademo adapter is $450 if supercharging is enabled. All mention of $1000 has been deleted.
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  • Oct 10, 2014
    gaswalla
    That's sort of a game changing price adjustment. I wonder If it will be ready before the model3, though.
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  • Oct 10, 2014
    JST
    Exactly what I was thinking.
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  • Oct 11, 2014
    Cottonwood
    Nice!

    We would have all complained about a $450 price if that was the price all along, but after expecting $1,000 for a while (with lots of complaints), $450 does not seem so bad now...
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  • Oct 11, 2014
    Bugeater
    Hey, I paid $650 for the roadsters adapter. Used it twice or so. Pretty expensive charges...
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  • Oct 11, 2014
    dhrivnak
    I am quite certain you will use it a LOT more going forward and at least you have the adapter. Many have been waiting a YEAR for the CHAdeMO. Here in TN a CHAdeMO is a must for traveling as most public charging is crippled to 4.8KW. Yet we have MANY CHAdeMO's that are just waiting for people to use them.

    PS even with the full SuperCharger build-out CHAdeMO will still outnumber SuperChargers at least 4-1.
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  • Oct 12, 2014
    N4HHE
    A year ago I foolishly believed a CHAdeMO adapter would be more useful than dual chargers.
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  • Oct 12, 2014
    liuping
    The price drops nice, but an actually shipping product would be nicer...
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  • Oct 12, 2014
    drees
    At $450, they must be barely breaking even at best - high power connectors are not cheap, not to mention the custom electronics inside to convert CHAdeMO to Tesla SuperCharger. Impressed that Tesla is making it this inexpensive.
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  • Oct 13, 2014
    AmpedRealtor
    They could offer it for $2.50 and it wouldn't matter. There is no real product to ship, and the ones they are shipping in Japan are having problems. We have a long way to go. Don't expect this before Model X shipping.
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  • Oct 13, 2014
    AMPUP
    what's interesting is this option:
    Adapter + Onboard Hardware Activation
     For Model S without Supercharging enabled: $2,350

    And yet they are still selling the supercharger activation for $2500 as an option.
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  • Oct 13, 2014
    mgboyes
    Yes, if you pay $2350 you get a CHAdeMO adaptor and they enable your non-supercharger car to do 50kW DC charging. But you still don't get to use the superchargers.
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  • Oct 13, 2014
    miimura
    I don't think that's what it means. SuperCharger access when you buy a 60kWh car is only $2,000. With this bundle, they are further discounting the CHAdeMO adapter by $100 bringing the total to $2,350. Hardware Activation is SuperCharger Access.
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  • Oct 13, 2014
    markb1
    It's $2,500 to activate supercharger access after delivery. So buy the adapter + supercharger activation for less than supercharger activation alone? That doesn't make any sense. "Hardware activation" means either CHAdeMO only, or they goofed in setting the pricing structure, and they will change it.
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  • Oct 13, 2014
    Benjamin Brooks
    Yep, definitely an error on their web page details
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  • Oct 13, 2014
    markb1
    I think it's more likely not an error, and "hardware activation" means CHAdeMO only and not supercharger.
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  • Oct 13, 2014
    arg
    There is evidence from the Japan market that CHAdeMO only exists (or is planned to exist) - there, CHAdeMO is standard, but supercharger is still optional on the S60 (at about the same price as in other markets when you convert the currency).

    But the pricing we are talking about here just doesn't make sense either way you read it - if it's for CHAdeMO only, then that's a crazy price, why would anyone pay it rather than buy the supercharge upgrade and then pay the already-enabled price for CHAdeMO - getting Supercharge for only $150 more? Or if it's including Supercharging, then why on earth does Tesla want to treat S60 owners who didn't buy Supercharging preferentially?

    It would just about make sense if you could pay the extra $150 later and get supercharging, but that's a hassle for Tesla to deal with and again why would they make things this complicated for the sake of $150 on a $2500 transaction?

    Hopefully we will see some clarification before the adaptors start to ship...
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  • Oct 13, 2014
    tom66
    Given every Model S has supercharging capability as standard, the price shouldn't matter. You're not paying for the SuC network - you're paying to enable some contactors that are already present in the HV junction box. Maybe 5 minutes work for Tesla to turn it on.
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  • Oct 13, 2014
    golfski
    Here is my interpretation of the pricing:

    Pre-Delivery SC Activation on S60 w/ adapter = $2000 + $450 Adapter = $2450

    Post Delivery SC Activation on S60 w/ adapter = $2500 + $450 Adapter = $2950

    Post Delivery Non-SC Hardware Activation on S60 w/ CHaDeMo support and adapter = $2350 TOTAL = $450 (Adapter) + $1900 CHaDeMo only Hardware Activation.
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  • Oct 14, 2014
    jrreno
    I have noticed several checkins on Plugshare of Tesla owners charging at CHAdeMO stations in various places around the country from Miami to Pennsylvania. I assume these are Beta testers?
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  • Oct 14, 2014
    iffatall
    Now if only by some miracle, the price of retro-adding dual charger could also fall...
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