Feb 16, 2013
brianman Love this.
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This is the kind of amusing and accurate commentary that should have been in the original Broder article.
Not a single Model S owner or enthusiast would argue with it.
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@Alexander - Very nice.�
Feb 16, 2013
artsci So I think we now have new slang for a fool who bricks his car, runs the battery down to damage level, or otherwise drives like an idiot: He/she's a "Broder" or you "Brodered" your car.�
Feb 16, 2013
dsm363 A missed Brodertunity would be where you were at a perfectly good charging location (or near one) and either left way to early for the range you needed or drove right past one on your trip.�
Feb 16, 2013
dpeilow This was cool.
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Feb 16, 2013
Raffy.Roma Cool
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Feb 16, 2013
buzzbuzz I just wanted to add my support! If I lived on the east coast, I'd be right there with you guys! Go Tesla and go @teslaroadtrip! Prove to the world that not only is this technology viable, it's also fun! Glad to see GeorgeB and Tesla are following it, too!�
Feb 16, 2013
herbvdh Had I known about this run earlier I would have rode shotgun and even drove to help out. I am located just West of there route.�
Feb 16, 2013
Volker.Berlin Hilarious!! Love it.�
Feb 16, 2013
JRP3 Love it :biggrin: I think "Broder" has a lot of possibilities:
Cool Story, Broder
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Feb 16, 2013
Al Sherman
I'm certainly not trying to insinuate that I know George's feelings. It just seems from his posts on this and his call to Aaron that he is a little emotional about this. Who can blame him? I've worked my entire adult life and NEVER been with a company where the customers had this kind of love for the product, and this kind of resolve to make sure that a phony, fraudulent, lying reporter didn't do damage or get away with it.�
Feb 16, 2013
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Feb 16, 2013
ModelS8794 
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Feb 16, 2013
bonnie I'm 16 time zones away from home (Bali!) this week, and have been mostly disconnected ... But just want to say that watching this whole thing unfold has been incredible. I'm proud to be part of this community.�
Feb 16, 2013
dpeilow When you guys have done the NYT office, perhaps gatecrash the climate rallies in DC?
Join the #ForwardOnClimate Rally on 2/17! - Sierra Club�
Feb 16, 2013
Al Sherman +1. Been wondering where you've been!:smile:�
Feb 16, 2013
Bearman That doesn't sound very uncomfortable does it? :biggrin:�
Feb 16, 2013
PeterK Somebody please take a video of driving around that small lot and how easy or hard it is to find the chargers...�
Feb 16, 2013
Seegem I would pay for this.
Someone Kickstarter it for the $0.06 it would cost�
Feb 16, 2013
PureAmps I guess Aaron is cranking the heat. I'm so glad I decided to add the climate telemetry to the tweet stream.
BTW, did anyone notice my different adjectives for the interior climate? They include "comfortable", "cozy", and "warm". Free reputation point to the first person to figure out the temperature ranges I use for each adjective.�
Feb 16, 2013
EVNow
May be it should say "Violators will have to be towed"�
Feb 16, 2013
Robert.Boston They posted exactly this video! WTG, Aaron.�
Feb 16, 2013
Seegem Link?�
Feb 16, 2013
xanderwalker Huge thank you to Rob and Peter for letting me ride in their Model S's. Had a really great time today. Uploading photos and videos right now and will post here and on my blog later tonight. looks like the guys just made it to Milford supercharger station.
Twitter / TeslaRoadTrip: #TeslaRoadTrip We just arrived ...
here are some videos. more to come soon
Tesla Road Trip - YouTube
Tesla Road Trip - YouTube
Tesla Model S Road trip - YouTube
some photos from my twitter - more soon
Twitter / strassenversion: Deleware supercharger station ...
Twitter / strassenversion: #TeslaRoadTrip passing through ...
Twitter / strassenversion: #TeslaRoadTrip almost underway ...�
Feb 16, 2013
60TTuC Approach to Milford, CT Tesla Superchargers - YouTube
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Feb 16, 2013
Jason S comfortable = 65-72
cozy = 72-78 (maybe 77)
warm = 78+�
Feb 16, 2013
xanderwalker pretty cars
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Feb 16, 2013
bmek Thank you for posting the video of the Supercharger ...
I read the original article and thought it was way off and then followed the various banters back and forth.
The one question that I had was, how easy is it to locate the Superchargers?
Intuitively, I knew that TSLA wouldn't 'hide' the Superchargers nor make them difficult to locate.
It remained a lingering question, until now.
At this point, it is clear that John Broder's reporting was inaccurate and intentional.
Having been interviewed by writers, I've also been subjected to 'fact checking' by the publications.
I'm surprised that the NYTimes did not do any fact checking on this article.
Thanks again for posting the video of the Supercharger.�
Feb 16, 2013
teslasguy Well, that was easy...and fun! We're now having dinner at a Red Robin near the Milford Superchargers. And the Milford SC lot is so well lit I don't know how anyone could miss them.
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Feb 16, 2013
andrewket Who owns the MD tag "KWH2MPH"? I've got the same tag @ Virginia.�
Feb 16, 2013
NigelM Heh, wonder if NYT Journalists will ever ask TMC members for help again?:
Model-S-Delivery-Update
NYT-doing-report-on-reservation-fees�
Feb 16, 2013
sp4rk I hope that's a pilfered quote from my favourite cult classic movie?
Bloody Hell! That's an ICE car!!! Pretty's about it.�
Feb 16, 2013
Norbert Congrats to the pleasant trip from the Delaware Supercharger to the Milford Supercharger in comfy temperatures!
BTW, what was the exact distance you drove between them?�
Feb 16, 2013
xanderwalker haha was not referencing that. i just like the phrase.
here are some more photos from today. I drove up to deleware with rob and back to rockville with peter. more pics and info later tonihgt
Tesla Road Trip 2013 - a set on Flickr�
Feb 16, 2013
rolosrevenge Man it's so dark over there. Where's the super charger? I can't find it ...�
Feb 16, 2013
Raffy.Roma Like!�
Feb 16, 2013
Jason S I don't see why not. I don't think there is an institutional rivalry or anything like that. Just a high profile story that was quite wrong.�
Feb 16, 2013
stopcrazypp Elon himself said he had nothing against the NY Times, just this particular story.�
Feb 16, 2013
MikeL Story was an agenda driven hatchet job sold as journalism. Broder's getting notoriety, what he should get is fired. Did he (or anyone at the NYTs) REALLY think he wouldn't be called on his nonsense? I'll thank you guys in Milford when my $tock goes back up on Tuesday! :tongue: ML�
Feb 16, 2013
PureAmps You got one of the numbers right, I won't say which one.�
Feb 16, 2013
SteveG3 Guys this has been great. I was just looking over NY Times article. Broder drove to Stonington CT for dinner before driving to Groton to spend the night (about 12 miles apart). you may have your plans locked in... but perhaps at least one car could cover these miles? Not that it's essential you have the exact route as Broder, there will be range remaining data when you get back to Milford tomorrow to show the trip was doable.
and PureAmps thanks for setting up the data tweeting... what a difference your efforts have made. lots of fun watching the live "black box."�
Feb 16, 2013
EVNow Many NYT journos tweeted in support of Broder.
This is going to leave a bitter taste for some time to come.�
Feb 16, 2013
HansK "Maybe Broder forgets to feed himself when he's hungry." says my wife matter-of-factly. Delusions from hunger--that would explain a lot.�
Feb 16, 2013
EarlyAdopter Yeah, that parking lot is _so_ unlit. Like, no lights there at all. Can't see a thing.�
Feb 16, 2013
Citizen-T Cross-post but thought it was appropriate:
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Feb 16, 2013
AndreN This will probably get lost in all the posts, but a big thank you to everyone who took part in this! If there's any justice in the world, and anyone at the NYT who is reasonably unbiased, they need to publicly distance themselves from Broder and retract the story. This journey has proven in several ways that he didn't do an unbiased story but instead went out of his way to try to make the Model S fail (and even at that it took him several tries). What a bonehead.�
Feb 16, 2013
dflye I think that is the most succinct and family-friendly biography of Mr. Broder that I've heard to date.�
Feb 16, 2013
ntam If the Model S can sing to itself, this would be the tune that it was singing when Broder was drivng it (based on Madonna's Borderline):
Something in the way you charge me won�t let me be
I don�t want to be your scapegoat so Broder won�t you charge me full
Stop playing with the heat
Finish what you start
When you make my battery low
If you charge me make it full
Better range will show
Model S don�t fool around
Just try to understand, I�ve given all I can
Cause you got the best EV
Chorus
"Broderlie", feels like I am going to get stranded
You just keep on pushing my battery over the borderline�
Feb 16, 2013
SFOTurtle Now what excuse will the editor of the NYT come up with to defend this lie?
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Feb 16, 2013
dflye That he is chromatically obtuse?
That he was driving at night wearing sunglasses like any proper person from the Blues Brothers would?
That he was instead looking for a gorilla? Even Broder Could See This�
Feb 16, 2013
firstinflite LOL, BS = Broder S**t�
Feb 16, 2013
UMD86 All of the drivers should EMAIL Broder and give him their RESULTS!!!�
Feb 16, 2013
rlpm Awesome tweet telemetry, PureAmps!
No adjective: < 66�F (range seen: 56.3 - 65.3)
Comfortable: 66�F - 71.9�F (range seen: 66.2 - 71.6)
Cozy: 72�F - 77.9�F (range seen: 72.5 - 77.9)
Warm: 78�F & above (range seen: 78.8 - 83.3)�
Feb 16, 2013
Raffy.Roma On the contrary I think that Broder made a good thing to Tesla because his lies, that are going to be easily proved to be lies, are making a good advertisment to Tesla.�
Feb 16, 2013
dflye I think the jury is still out on whether he is an outright liar versus an absolute moron.
Either way, he shouldn't be a journalist, he should (and has!) write fiction.�
Feb 16, 2013
Raffy.Roma In my opinion Broder interprets the skepticism towards electric cars that is very common in people. I think that the TMC forum and the initiative of recreating the NY Times road trip are very good to win the struggle with people who are skeptical towards electric cars.
And eventually maybe that Broder will start writing fiction. ;-)�
Feb 16, 2013
PureAmps Congratulations, we have a winner!�
Feb 16, 2013
CapitalistOppressor That's pretty much my view. For me the key issue that crystallizes the issue for me is how Broder obscured the fact that he didn't inform his readers that he had not fully charged the vehicle.. I made that point in a comment on her blog after she said she didn't think anything was intentionally faked. Here's what I wrote -
I made that point as well in an e-mail to her before she took up the issue (along with diving into the weeds on a host of other issues). But the most provable charge out of all of them is that he intentionally misinformed his readers about the state of charge on that first leg. It took a close reading of that article with knowledge that only owners and enthusiasts would have to figure out that he didn't fully charge it on the first leg. He might have just been a moron, but he worked hard to conceal that from his readers, and at the least his actions merit suspicion.�
Feb 16, 2013
mcornwell Are you sh*tting me? This video is the mosy damning piece of evidence yet that this "writer" was not being honest. He had to drive around in circles because he couldn't see this brightly lit charging station??? Unless there were flashing red neon signs saying "SUPERCHARGER", I don't know how much clearer it could be!
I'm sure he'll cover up his previous lies with another one, saying Tesla must of come out on Saturday morning to install those bright lights...�
Feb 16, 2013
rlpm Ooh ooh, what do I win?!
<voice="Bob Barker">A new car!</voice>
Well, in three to five weeks, anyway. And I'll have to pay for it.
But I've heard a couple of people on these forums say it's a pretty good car, I guess.
:biggrin:
Again, serious props for hooking up your @PureAmps and @TeslaRoadTrip guys' cars' telemetry on twitter. That's just kewl.
And to the @TeslaRoadTrip drivers, shotgunners, etc., who are now in Groton!
Excellent! Rest up, you deserve it!�
Feb 16, 2013
teslasguy Can't get to sleep. Too 'amped up'! Really cold and snow blowing like Crazy here in Conn but cars handled like a dream!
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Feb 17, 2013
CapitalistOppressor Acid test. Everyone unplugged for the night?�
Feb 17, 2013
cinergi Some are, yes.�
Feb 17, 2013
CapitalistOppressor Sweet. Try not to sit for a half hour in the morning with the heater on max, or follow that with an 11 mile drive to a low powered charger in the opposite direction from your destination. Of course I presume you all at least did a full standard charge at Milford instead of leaving with a partial charge that might strand you�
Feb 17, 2013
dpeilow I think you guys *should* rock up to that electricity company in Norwich which claimed to have never seen EVs ("CNG is the way ahead"). Then the NYT. And finally gatecrash this climate rally in DC.�
Feb 17, 2013
CapitalistOppressor Still waiting on video of the Model S circling Milford rest stop..
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Feb 17, 2013
Alexander
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Feb 17, 2013
Jack So why am i sitting here writing in a McDonald's in Auburn Mass at 4AM? We'll get back to that.
My goals for this adventure are a bit different than matching the Broder run - i purchased a world-class performance car and want to drive it that way and quite frankly, I want my car to follow my lifestyle and not the other way around.
The trip down was litterally amazing. Far exceeded my expectation for performance and range. Great connecting with so many owners and enthusiasts down in Wilmington.
I can't tell you all how much i respect Aaron, Teslaguy, Ben and the others who are taking the purists route and proving what this car can do. As someone suggested early, I did this trip trying to pull as many stops out as possible and finding the limits of what can safely be done. E.g., the amazing accuracy of the instrumentation allowing me to predict arrival at Wilmington with 5 miles at 100 miles away.
On the trip north from Wilmington, I stayed with the pack for about half the way through NJTP, but when they turned into a rest stop, i hit the left lane and mach 1. We decided to forgo Groton and do dinner and a show in NYC, and called the NYC store who graciously provided an HPWC with adoptor - so range became a non-issue (i had ranged charged for the first time in Wilmington) - e.g. when challenged by a Mustang it was quite nice to see him far back in the rear view mirror with a couple of secs - he did, however, disrupt our enjoyment of the sound system, even though it was cranked up to mid-8 (our acceleration did no such thing).
We arrived at the 25th street garage with 100 miles left, and consistent with the way down, did not experience significant problems in the 75-80 range, with a performance demo or two (cost of a few miles each). We had some issues with the garage attendant - who wanted to charge us high rates and an 'oversized vehicle' fee - which was outrageous - but the ability to drive to the charging station myself and feel the car was secure for the evening offset the attendant issues (but did drive up by trip cost by $42). We arrived about 6PM, cabbed up to the half price ticket both, had a fantastic dinner at Angus's, and got to our show by 7:45. We were out by 11, cabbed back to 25th street, and had 241 miles (i did not range charge). It was really nice driving through Manhattan and seeing all these people raising their hands and hailing us!
Again, in the interest of having the S live our lifestyle and not the other way around, we decide to drive back to Metrowest Mass via the Hutch, as we usally do. With 241 and 198 showing on the navigator, and our experience on the way down, thought we'd be fine. As always, we had a plan B, which is becoming familar with the Chargepoint stations at key points, just in case. Well, wish we had read the comments on 'wind' from the sailor (having both sailing and experience in a 150, should have thought about this a bit), and considered the weather report. Trip back started off fine, but then hit some serious snow in Wallingford and a temperature drop. Fought hard to keep expected range ahead of distance to go, but started losing the battle on some hills toward the end of the Merritt, and then again on 84. (Note - at no time were we at risk of Brodering, which requires exceptionally low IQ - and did not). However, we did put plan B in place - called Chargepoint support, verified our safety net was functioning, and verified addresses. Our navigator took us off course by 2+ miles, and ChargePoin had difficulty vectoring us in - so we stopped at a local hotel and got directions. Got there with 10 left - at a local restaurant - a bit nervous when we saw a 20" snowbank in front of the station - but were able to clear it and deligthed when we started charging. Fortunately there is an all night McDonalds across the street, and they graciously let us in - and here we are.
We had lots of options - could have range-charged in NYC, stopped in Milford - so this was completely our choice in learning about the car and process. No regrets. I think we had about a 50% shot at making it without the stop, but not worth the risk. So from here on, we check weather more carefully, and exercise one of the above options if condition are as they are or worse. For our colleagues in Norway (i've driven around the Noresfel (sp)) area - and would be quite conservative south of 0c on those one lane roads - do take the S out and learn how it behaves in those conditions and calibrate to your reality - this weekend was a huge learning experience for me, 99% to the positive. Net - I know i can drive the car as a high performance vehicle and that it can live my lifestyle.
Some things that I'd like to see in the infrastructure:
- The J1772's just don't cut it, and the superchargers may be a bit much. I would like to see us build out at the HPWC level, with two in every petrol station, highway rest stop, hotel, parking garage and whenever else is practical. The supercharges clearly should continue to be built out - but in-between should be a robust and highly available networks of HPWC's. If you need help on the road, 62 MPH seems just right, if provisioned in high volume - and of course at some point we need to be willing to pay fair market value for that service
- We need to do a lot of evangelism and educate the public. Not nice to be treated like you're from pluto if you ask a hotel clerk if they have charging capabilities - this is the real damage broder has done, and has the potential to set back our country in this critical endeavor champtioned by Elon and team - and we MUST NOT LET HIM PREVAIL. It is absolutely fantastic to be part of such a great community united in taking strong action against this challege to our progress as country.
OK - 4:47 am and now have 35 miles - will leave here at 40 with sufficient margin to make in home - can't wait for my HPWC, but may sleep a bit late in the morning (although like teslaguy - nice to see you up at this hour - finding it hard to sleep)
Thanks�
Feb 17, 2013
dpeilow Interesting tale. Now you guys know the effect Top Gear had in the UK.
Back in 2011 when I was driving a Roadster from Armagh to Dublin into a howling Irish gale and rain, I could not get below 550Wh/mile, even at 50 mph. I was watching range that I needed the next day slip away. I still made it by taking it easy in the morning and plugging in both overnight and at a high power location for an hour before heading off the next day. You Model S guys are learning the same lessons. Safe driving.
For those doing the purist route - it's a pity you guys couldn't make it to Broder's dinner stop. That opens up accusations of cutting it short so you could make it (yes, I know) and the difference is Broder's shortfall. Having corralled large convoys of ICE cars myself, I know how the time can slip away at rest stops even without adding the logistics of charging.
Still, keep up the good work.�
Feb 17, 2013
stevezzzz Great trip report, Jack, thanks for taking advantage of your Chargepoint stop to give us a real-world success story.
But why the heck am I up at 3:00am MST, reading this thread? :biggrin:
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It occurs to me that in the 24 hours since 'brodering' (lower case intentional) entered the lexicon it has come to be used in a more general sense than the brand new Urban Dictionary entry allows for (Broder: to waste time and/or energy in an attempt to fail at some task).
I think a more general definition is warranted. So, since I'm awake at 3:00am anyway, here is my proposal...
broder verb. To snatch defeat from the jaws of victory through malice or neglect and then blame others for the result.
You may now resume your regularly scheduled TeslaRoadTrip...�
Feb 17, 2013
dpeilow Just so you guys know what you are aiming for, here's the finish line
I want to see 7 cars lined up where that bus is...�
Feb 17, 2013
GSP "- The J1772's just don't cut it, and the superchargers may be a bit much. I would like to see us build out at the HPWC level, with two in every petrol station, highway rest stop, hotel, parking garage and whenever else is practical. The supercharges clearly should continue to be built out - but in-between should be a robust and highly available networks of HPWC's. If you need help on the road, 62 MPH seems just right, if provisioned in high volume - and of course at some point we need to be willing to pay fair market value for that service"
This is a key point. 20 mph (30A) is fine at home or work, but does not cut it for public charging.
60 mph HPWCs would be much better, but I suggest that 150 mph DC charging is the better investment in public chargers. The HPWCs can only be used by Teslas, while dual plug CHAdeMO / SAE Combo DC chargers can be used by any DC fast charge capable vehicle, including Teslas with adaptors. This interoperability will be important to get public chargers installed, and 150 mph will be much nicer than 60 mph as well.
GSP�
Feb 17, 2013
stevezzzz Maybe one or more of the cars left unplugged in Groton tonight could drive through Stonington in the morning, en route to the Milford Superchargers? I think it's essential not to give the other camp an easy out ("they didn't even drive the same route..."). And what about those extra miles in the wrong direction to the 'emergency' charger?�
Feb 17, 2013
Al Sherman I get it but it seems to me that in a few hours it'll be fairly obvious that they made it with range to spare.
Question: I noticed that teslaguy (telemetry) drove the same distance yet almost always had marginally less range left. Is this purely driving technique?
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LOL! That's just embarrassing for anyone at the NYT that had to see it.�
Feb 17, 2013
sp4rk Brilliant lyrics!
Anyone with a sound studio lay this track?�
Feb 17, 2013
dpeilow If any Roadtrippers are awake and reading this, perhaps you can put a URL link to the blog post with the live map in your Twitter profile?�
Feb 17, 2013
Norbert +1
"obvious" is good, "done" is better.�
Feb 17, 2013
dpeilow Tesla Model S Owners Decide To Show How John Broder Should Have Test Driven The Model S - CleanTechnica�
Feb 17, 2013
artsci For dramatic effect maybe they could pull an effigy of Broder up to right under the big NY Times logo on the facade�
Feb 17, 2013
Al Sherman No question. I'm guessing they're all still sleeping but it's likely that Aaron has thought of this. He seems to have thought this out pretty well on short notice. I AM still curious about teslaguy's slightly lower range remaining at most of the stops. Is this just driving technique? His cabin temps didn't seem to be out of line with the rest.�
Feb 17, 2013
Vger I am actually amazed by how close the figures were among the three monitored cars. This definitely make the whole thing a bit more scientific. Having multiple instances of an experiment is always better.
That said, as mentioned above, I do hope they use the multiple cars to play out a few key alternative scenarios-- plugged in and not plugged in overnight; detour to emergency charger or not, etc.
It seemed that Aaron was running his cabin heat quite high, and the fact that he did about as well as the others on range I think indicates this is not quite as sensitive a variable as I might have thought. But it was smart to do this to counter the point about the higher ambient temperature yesterday. And the fact that they drove in snow last night is another argument in favour of winter fitness. Even a little snow on the road would definitely reduce traction and hence efficiency.
I sure hope this all gets some serious airplay in the major media, and not just the specialty green- and tech-friendly blogs.�
Feb 17, 2013
dpeilow Maybe a Model S roadblock in downtown New York will get some regular media attention?�
Feb 17, 2013
JakeP Utterly fantastic job guys, you make us all proud. Well-planned, well-executed, and brilliantly documented. Thank you all!�
Feb 17, 2013
andrewket I wouldn't do that, but a line of cars parked outside NYT with signs might be interesting.
Staying in the digital domain is likely to yield better results.�
Feb 17, 2013
aaron.s Morning Guys!
Just woke up! Its 24 degrees here (may have gotten down to 23-21 degrees last night - not quite as cold as Broder's trip).
Checked my Model S app and my car has 179 miles of range - so a cold soak brought it down from 196, so a difference of 17 miles. Good chance I'd get some of that back as the pack heats up. I was *not* plugged in last night. Even if it was 10 degrees last night - having done a *full range* charge @ Milford to 270 miles last night means that if I saw a "huge" drop like Broder did of 50-70 miles, I would still easily make it the 55-60 miles back to the Milford, CT supercharger.
Yesterday I alternated from turning heat on until it was toasty in the cabin, then turning it off for a while until it was just cool enough to turn it back on again. You may have seen that high temp while it was heating up. The key point here is that at no point yesterday was I uncomfortable in the cabin. I had a copilot the whole way and we both had our seat heaters on 2 as well.
Looking forward to heading back to Milford with some of the team... Ben (cinergi) and another car will be heading up to Boston. 4 cars (including me) will be heading to Milford. I live in Westchester, NY -- not sure if I will be going straight home or doing something with the other 3 cars, which will ultimately be heading back down to Maryland.
We're meeting at 10am for breakfast (I didn't go to bed until 3:30am) - and we'll see what the game plan is!
Aaron
PS - just got word that the low temp here last night was 21.92 degrees!
PPS - Was happy to see as you all did, that all our cars - including the unmonitored ones (with the exception of teslasguy's) had virtually the exact same stats in terms of rated/projected range at each of the stops along the way yesterday! At our last stop before Milford, just before the George Washington Bridge - we were all within 1 mile (Rated/Projected) of each other! We're still scratching our head over teslasguys car though - and will have to look in to that more....�
Feb 17, 2013
zax123 Just wanted to lend some support from the great white north! Thanks for doing this guys, all present and future Tesla owners appreciate it and will benefit from your trip!�
Feb 17, 2013
dsm363 I agree. Great job by ntam.
I'd just add one word to chorus
Chorus
"Broderlie", feels like I am going to get stranded, fine!
You just keep on pushing my battery over the borderline
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I'm with on this but have only been a digital subscriber since they started that in 2012 I think. I can give them the benefit of doubt that this slipped past the editor because on the surface, if you know nothing about EVs and charging, it seems legit. As they say though, the coverup is sometimes worse than the crime. I am very disappointed in the editor's continued support of Broder and this article given all the evidence. They need to at least make an editoral comment on this article and really should retract it.�
Feb 17, 2013
herbvdh I am a volunteer Skywarn spotter for National Weather Service. I just looked up the actual weather in Groton, Ct. it is 23 F with the wind from the North at 14 MPH temperature actually feels like 11 F. So your batteries were actually feeling 11 F last night coupled with the aluminum casing they were darn cold!!!�
Feb 17, 2013
Norbert Via Stonington?�
Feb 17, 2013
Bearman Does he run 21" wheels? I see you do not.
Good work all of you, we will be following you all the way :smile:�
Feb 17, 2013
dpeilow Yep, Aaron, please at least some of you guys go via Stonington. Otherwise people may cry foul.
(And flashmob the NYT office - any other locals able to join in?)�
Feb 17, 2013
UMD86 I'm not sure that's exactly accurate. The wind chill real feel effect is accurate in regards to human skin but not sure it's the same against objects like batteries.�
Feb 17, 2013
dsm363 What happened to teslasguys's car? I must have missed that somewhere in this thread.�
Feb 17, 2013
Bearman He is just using more energy than the others going the same rout.�
Feb 17, 2013
jerry33 Objects will cool down faster if there is wind because if it's still the air warmed by the objects will act as a kind of insulation. However, I think the whole idea of wind-chill was just invented so that you could have lower numbers to complain/brag about�
Feb 17, 2013
JRP3 If an object is "inert", say a rock, wind chill won't make any difference in it's temperature. If an object is "active", say a heated battery pack, wind chill will increase the energy used to keep it warm.�
Feb 17, 2013
Bearman Heat always transfers from warmer objects to colder objects no matter what they are by radiation, conduction and convection to reach equilibrium(equal temperature). Wind adds to convection so a hot anything will transfer heat faster to reach the surrounding temperature, if there is wind blowing over it.�
Feb 17, 2013
EKoS I'll be heading on to Boston this morning from Groton before making the return trip to DC later today. HUGE commendation to the Tesla Motors technical folks (Joost and his team) for working with me to resolve an issue with my car that might have kept me from supercharging - a fix involving custom software developed and pushed to my car while I had a coffee at the charging stations in Delaware. I challenge any other car maker in the world to provide that level of service! Bravo Tesla - more details when I get back to DC...�
Feb 17, 2013
stevezzzz That's an amazing response from the Tesla engineers, EKoS. Makes me proud of the whole team: both the committed, responsive company and its fiercely loyal customers. It's quite amazing, really.�
Feb 17, 2013
cdabel Will you guys be submitting an article/ letter to the editor to the Times with your results?�
Feb 17, 2013
kendallpb I think it's fine not to follow his route too slavishly. The point, after all, is to show how if he'd done things right, it would've worked fine, and some of his mistakes were route-based and poor/wrong use of infrastructure, no?
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Thanks for elaborating. Does anyone on the trip not have heated (i.e., leather) seats? Or not bother using the heated seats? Some of us got textile under the old pricing and thus don't have seat heaters, so I'm curious how much more/less people use the regular heat when they don't/do have heated seats, on long trips like this.�
Feb 17, 2013
Norbert Seems they just passed through Stonington, and are now on their way back to the Supercharger in Milford.
DPeilow has posted the video from Stonington below, this is a video of the arrival in Groton yesterday (changed that to show the two in sequence) :
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Ugly. Ya hear?�
Feb 17, 2013
RubberToe I may have missed this, is there a link to a live map somewhere where we can watch the cars progress?
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Feb 17, 2013
Lanny TMC Members Recreate NYTimes Roadtrip - Blogs - Tesla Motors Club - Enthusiasts & Owners Forum�
Feb 17, 2013
Seegem Yes please, I really think this needs to be done, and also set up its own web page, like brodering.com or something pithy�
Feb 17, 2013
Robert.Boston @RubberToe: Yes, on the blog page.�
Feb 17, 2013
NJS1207 I was not able to do the weekend trip, but I could get to NYC today if that is going to happen.�
Feb 17, 2013
doug Wheather it's the TeslaRoadTripers or not, someone needs to get a nice shot of a Model S in front of the NYT building today to cap it all off. Might be tricky since it's a bus lane. You'd need at least two people (a driver and a photographer) to pull it off.�
Feb 17, 2013
Norbert Not sure which car(s) are the ones that didn't charge overnight. However, it seems they all have plenty charge left. About to arrive soon (15 to 30 min) in Milford.
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Seems aaron.s is the one who didn't charge overnight. The automatic car tweets suggest he (and others) just arrived back in Milford, aaron.s with a remaining "rated" range of 72 miles. Yay!�
Feb 17, 2013
doug I put a dismissable notice at the top of the page to point to the live map of what I believe is Aaron's car.�
Feb 17, 2013
wycolo Don't you mean:
A 'Brodertunity' would be where you were at a perfectly good charging location (or near one) and either left way to early for the range you needed or drove right past one on your trip.
And cheers to all the BroderTrippers!!
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Feb 17, 2013
Jack
Absolutely agree over time - speed and standarization are valued attributes and the more of each we can achieve the better. The issue is timing. Having completed the road trip - i would like to see some actions taken in the next two weeks, not the next two years. I have no idea of the economics of building and operating supercharging stations versus HPWCs in a public setting - but having ordered an HPWCs, the latter would seem to put a lot less stress on the Tesla marketing budget.
What i needed, and i think would be representative both here in the Northeast, between SF and LA, and the rest of the world is a practical, efficient, well designed infrastructure today - I own this car now, and need to use it today (BTW, wish i had my HPWC - it's now 11 AM and i'm only at 171 at home).
Here's the issue - as part of the learning process, i mis-judged the conditions and impact on conditions on the last leg of a long road trip. We had literally been on the road for 24 hours straight, with no break. The exceptional quality of the Telsa instrumentation gave us fantastic headlights as to what would happen, and the time to correct for our mis-judgement.
But picture yourself having driven for 24 hours, in near-blinding snow that you suddenly drive into, and the knowledge that you need to take action. Your options are two Chargepoint stations in two local restaurants that are in a small town and off road (BTW - here's a planning issue - we had two of these stations with one mile, but none between Hartford and Auburn Mass - some planning and better spacing would seem to make sense). You don't know the location or quality of these stations - and most importance, no one is accountable for the functioning of these stations - if they were inaccessble or inoperable, we would have brodered. Further, both the restaurants were closed, and it was in the low 20's as noted above. We did not look forward to the idea of sitting in the car to 2 hours in a strange town in a high-end car in the middle of the night - by great luck and fortune, the kind manager at the McDonalds - which by chance was across the street (no easy street to cross in blinding snow, however) - broke with policy and allowed us to enter the restaurant at night (it's only open to drive-through after midnight for safety reasons).
What we need - and really need now - is publically supported infrastructure at major road stops. There is a large service plaza just as you enter the mass pike off 84. We need to rip and replace 4 of the 32 petrol bays with HPWC-class stations or better - now, not in 2 years. These should be in every or every other service plaza between Boston, NYC and DC. I needed the security and safety of knowing there is safe, secure public infrastructure that i can easily get to in the conditions i faced - which are real world - it's nice to have done some pioneering - but this is a call to action to the community to start a project TODAY to make this happened. I'd drop plans for more Superchargers in the north east (save perhaps on on the north side of the NJTP for those of us who want to make Boston to DC with only one stop) - and focus on creating the market demand, and legistlative support for HPWC capabilities in service plazas - that is, to have license to operate a fueling station in a publically supported service plaze - you MUST have at least 4 electric bays with 60 MPH capabilties or better.�
Feb 17, 2013
dpeilow @TeslaRoadTrip I want to see a sped up video of you guys brodering round in circles in the parking lot, complete with Benny Hill music�
Feb 17, 2013
jerry33 My understanding is that the biggest part of the delays are the time it takes to negotiate the leases (having been corrected on this by other TMC members--thanks BTW, you don't learn anything by getting it right). There is little difference in the cost between installing an HPWC or installing Supercharger when viewed as a percentage of the overall cost. Installing both Superchargers and HPWCs make sense for a variety of reasons. Installing just an HPWC doesn't really make a lot of sense--it's not like it will get installed any faster.�
Feb 17, 2013
SFOTurtle Fabulous job to everyone who took part in this effort this weekend!! I am joining in the club in about four hours when I get the car at the factory. Very excited to be part of this forward-thinking, growing group of folks!�
Feb 17, 2013
stevezzzz Yes, that's more like it. A missed 'Brodertunity' would be where you stopped and took a full charge when you could have just passed it by...immediately prior to running out of juice on the side of the road.�
Feb 17, 2013
SCW-Greg National Post out... "Tesla Motors� CEO fought fire with facts, and he may have won."
Add what 7 owners do, with a breeze, gets out and circulated tomorrow... And this looks bad for NYT.
Congrats all. Keep the pressure up.�
Feb 17, 2013
Jack The 24 hours of Tesla.
As noted above, the 2nd day of my Tesla roadtrip lasted a full 24 hours, starting in Somerset NJ, and taking me to Rutgers, Wilmington, NYC, Auburn MA and back home.
In the last leg, after Auburn, we faced blinding snow and near white-out conditions on the Mass Pike, low 20s. Based on conditions and charge level (40 for 25), i kept the S at 45-50, and was being passed left and right - including the ignominy of being passed by the Fung Wah bus and a couple of tracter-trailers. Wasn't comfortable keeping up with traffic - may be a good idea to have Telsa engineering team in Oslo, say, to develop a Model N or version N optimized for us northeners. Might result in a few tweaks, such as headlights that seemed to exacerbate visibility problems. Still, made in home with 10 to spare, and knew in the first few miles we'd be fine (net downhill on the last leg, and watch the anticipate range continue to rise in the 1st 10 miles - comforting)
Net is the trip significantly expanded my thinking about use cases for my Model S, and passion for the car and company. Let's get the infrastructure we need today built out. Thanks to the Telsa team for the amazing car and experience - will never forget 2/16/13.�
Feb 17, 2013
Norbert Arriving back at Milford, at the southbound Supercharges:
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stevezzzz Was blue the only paint color allowed on this road trip? :biggrin:�
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