Feb 17, 2013
cinergi Not me BUT I kept the heat at 74-75 the entire way. And my ending range matched everyone else's (including those actively conserving power via heat cycling or using HVAC range mode).�
Feb 17, 2013
kendallpb LOL! Every video of the cars coming into a supercharger parking lot, and the parade of cars leaving Rockville, I keep hearing the theme from Rocky! ;-) Dah-dah-dah...dah-dah-dah...dah-dah-dah...dah-dah-dah...dahdahdahdahdahdah...dahdahdah-dahdah-dahdah-dah-daaaaaaaah!
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Feb 17, 2013
Jack
Thanks for the dialog - i think this is the one takeaway from my road trip - this dialog needs to happen now and actions need to be taken today. I have no clue about implementation process and options, but feel pretty strongly about the customer and market requirement:
- The problem: you do not want to depend on a remote, slow, insecure, not-well-planned infrastructure that no one is accoutable for after driving 24 hours and making a judgement error about conditions and range when you have your family in the car
- The solution: A safe, secure, well-planned charging infrastructure that allows you to top-off if unplanned events happen - and this seems to be in existing public infrastruture in major roadside service plazas
- Correlary: I'd prefer not to plan my trips around stops in Milford CT and Wilmington - I want to charge where i'd normally sleep (mid-level hotels), eat (mid-town manhattan and not order 2 with rice or noodles in a truck stop), and otherwise be - i don't mind stopping for 15 to 30 minutes to top off if needed, as long as in in a safe, convenience place where someone is accoutable for the outcome.�
Feb 17, 2013
dsm363 That's what I was trying to say but maybe adding 'missed' threw it off.�
Feb 17, 2013
UMD86 Let's keep in mind there are < 20,000 electric vehicles on the roadways versus 100 Million ICE cars and over 1,000,000 gas stations. This is a budding industry and it will take time and MONEY to build out the infrastructure. Over time we will get there but it will not happen tomorrow or next week. Also remember the oil industry has a lot of powerful lobbyists in Washington and they're do everything in their powers to SLOW DOWN the electric car market. WHO KILLED THE ELECTRIC CAR?�
Feb 17, 2013
Jack We were similar to Ben - we kept the climate at 67 all the way (which is what we would normally do and what our house is set to), and did not use the heated seats. I dropped the climate to low when i got in a bit of trouble in CT, but this did not seem to make a difference. Like my colleague from MA, i was mostly in the 75 to 80 range, and did not seem far off from everyone else's statistics.�
Feb 17, 2013
jerry33 Especially as I'm in DFW.
For me that would be Bed & Breakfasts.
Truck stops are often safer than the public stops because there is constant activity.�
Feb 17, 2013
Bearman No range charge? :frown:�
Feb 17, 2013
bluetinc
Hey Jack,
Just a quick note. The charging stations that you are recommending don't need to be HPWC's, In fact I would recommend against a Tesla only proprietary plug. The J1772 standard covers up to 80A just as the HPWC's do, the issue these days is that almost all J1772 installations use the cheaper versions that only supply 30A. Add to that that most of the power run to them ends up at 200V instead of 240V, it makes for a fairly crappy charge rate for our S's... Keeping to the EV standard would allow for other EV interests to help in this effort rather than making this a Tesla only thing.
I feel the fastest way to do something that you are suggesting is to convince a major chain (In my mind this has always been McDonalds) that they should install 1-2 charging stations at every McDonalds across the country. If I run the numbers quickly, there are about 13K McDs in the US, and at say 3K and install, that means it would cost about 40 Million to have this done. While at first blush this may sound like a lot, but when a 30 second commercial in the Superbowl costs almost 4 Million, it might end up being the best money they ever spent in terms of long term PR and being known at the progressive, environmental, pro EV company. That sorta thing can last a decade or longer, and force others to just try to catch up.
Yep, that's me. We should get the cars together sometime for a great couple of pictures!
Peter�
Feb 17, 2013
dpeilow Kinda like McDonalds in Scandinavia are doing.
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Feb 17, 2013
Jack If we don't take the appropriate actions to change things now, these ratios will persist - we are so close - we just need a bit more infrastrucutre support�
Feb 17, 2013
xanderwalker little write up from my experience yesterday. Very grateful for the opportunity to ride along. congratulations to everyone involved.
stra�enversion: Tesla Road Trip - debunking the New York Times
i shot some "3d" photos as well that i will post later tonight�
Feb 17, 2013
cinergi Surprised at the number of down votes on reddit ... 6 Tesla owners are recreating the Broder drive. They are doing the exact same trip, even leaving their cars unplugged overnight as he did. They just hit the road at the time of this post! The trip is being tweeted live by the cars themselves with telemetry data and charge levels. I Bet they make it! : technology�
Feb 17, 2013
dpeilow 
Now that's what I'm talking about...�
Feb 17, 2013
xanderwalker
reddit automatically generates downvotes as part of their algorithm to keep content on the front page fresh. the downvote counts and percentages are not representative of people's opinion on the post.�
Feb 17, 2013
stevezzzz Well done, zanderwalker! Looking forward to your stereo pairs; post them as stereo-X pairs as well as anaglyphs, if you don't mind: I prefer free-viewing pairs rather than donning 3-D glasses.�
Feb 17, 2013
gg_got_a_tesla Not really, Ben; there are still a lot of naysayers out there, even tech-savvy ones on Reddit.
Welcome back, btw; great going yesterday! Thanks for the effort!�
Feb 17, 2013
dtich so much of this reminds me of the apple 'fanboys' v. naysayers feuds that you see on many bbs's. if there is a group of enthusiasts that support a company and product line to the point of being willing to forgive some initial hiccups and growing pains, there is always a group of obnoxious anti-fans with nothing constructive to say but seemingly lots of time to post negatively (almost always without first hand experience of any kind with the product in question) and vote down any positives. ahh, the internet. the great equalizer. the fact is in this day and age it is increasingly difficult to separate the wheat from chaff in online criticism. not all opinions are created equal, some people have nothing to say and say it a lot, and those with something to say often have better things to do with their time than shout in an over-crowded mess hall. as we have seen, true journalism and real constructive criticism are at a critical crossroads in history.�
Feb 17, 2013
Al Sherman +1 That's just a really nice shot.�
Feb 17, 2013
xanderwalker
thanks that was with my cell phone. pretty pumped about that one.�
Feb 17, 2013
Jack
Regarding hiccups - i've been in the technology industry since the mid 70's - this is absolutely the best V1 product i have ever seen (It would be great if Tesla could acquire Microsoft) - against incredible engineering and marketing challenges. Having driven an S for the better part of 24 hours yesterday and this morning - through a range of conditions - i'm amazed at the lack if problems - and in my case, none that were Tesla's - the issue is supporting infrastructure and public support.
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One more thing (minor) before signing off and back to reality.
The message at 7 miles of charge that "we highly recommend charging your battery" does not work on the east coast - we sort of already know that. Instead:
- at 20 miles or so, flash a red "Broder Level 1" alert
- at 10 miles or so, flash a brighter red "Broder Level 2" alert
- a 5 miles or so, flash a warning with an image of the owner's S on a flatbed in a NYT article authored by he-who-shall-not-be named
That will get our attention�
Feb 17, 2013
JRP3 Maybe this should pop up on the screen:
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Feb 17, 2013
dpeilow scary�
Feb 17, 2013
Jack Too scary.
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Feb 17, 2013
dsm363 Paint that picture on the ground in front of all Superchargers to scare ICEs away.�
Feb 17, 2013
Jack Note: I did not see deilow's response before posting this�
Feb 17, 2013
doug It's like out of THX 1138.�
Feb 17, 2013
dpeilow Great minds think alike...�
Feb 17, 2013
gg_got_a_tesla Separated at birth?!
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(No insult to Ralph Fiennes)�
Feb 17, 2013
dtich is this.. really true?�
Feb 17, 2013
dpeilow Hey guys.
None of the road trip guys can go to NYC. Unfortunate. Can one of the locals who said they were available go and grab the shot before it's dark?�
Feb 17, 2013
Jack Can we get CNN to publish this - I can't tell which is which!!!�
Feb 17, 2013
doug Yeah a cool low angled shot of Model S with the New York Times building in the background would be the iconic image of this entire saga. Doesn't matter if the car was actually on the roadtrip.�
Feb 17, 2013
Mike_Schlechter This is probably the first time in three years I've gone five days witout checking this or the teslamotors.com forum... And I miss this thread! I should have been there with you guys. Face-palm!
I'm so impressed and pleased that this all came together. If we want to do another one in the high heat of summer, for instance, I'm in! I'd even be up for another cold weekend (or weekday) recreation, but looks like this was a thorough debunking of the NYT article.
We live in an age of enhanced transparency. Companies and news outlets all need to be aware of this, and that every statement can be tested / challenged by "regular" people. Credibility is a tenuous thing these days. This is a great example of how information gathering and reporting has changed due to technology. Oh, and travel has been forever changed by technology too!�
Feb 17, 2013
JRP3 :biggrin:
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Feb 17, 2013
dpeilow ^if only�
Feb 17, 2013
Vger Very eloquent and pertinent.�
Feb 17, 2013
CapitalistOppressor Brad Delong linked us!! Woohoo!!
Brad DeLong : 7 Tesla Model S Owners Set Out to Recreate New York Times Reporter John Broder's Road Trip to Groton
BTW, for those who don't know him, he's a major economist blogger. Lotta important folks read him including Paul Krugman and many elite bloggers and pundits. And he HATES the NY Times, or at least stupid reporters who fail to report on reality�
Feb 17, 2013
artsci Don't know if this has been posted but Broder evidently had no auto experience prior to becoming the NYTimes auto blog writer. Prior to that he covered the oil industry and no doubt made many good friends in oil who are greatly threatened by electric cars. Do I read "shill."?
So what does it take to become an auto "expert" with the New York Times? Evidently if you have a driver's license you're qualified. Appears the Times has abandoned all of its standards.�
Feb 17, 2013
dpeilow Looks like most of the guys are home. Well done. Can't wait for the write up (make sure you strike while the iron is hot so at least the Green blogs and press will be covering it).�
Feb 17, 2013
JimO S1873 It has been great following your journeys. Congrats on proving Tesla is the leader that it is. If there is ever one done on the West Coast, you can count me in.�
Feb 17, 2013
TonyWilliams There will be Tesla cars at this west coast (the WHOLE west coast) this summer. You're invited.
All EV Rally, BC 2 BC (Canada 2 Mexico) June 2013�
Feb 17, 2013
Enadler Congratulations guys! I look forward to joining in on the 2nd annual event next year!!�
Feb 17, 2013
wycolo > :biggrin: [JRP]
Looks like its on a flatbed. LOL ! !
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Feb 17, 2013
UMD86 Looks like a "photo shop" picture. That's the original Model S design/prototype.�
Feb 17, 2013
dpeilow 
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Feb 17, 2013
atlg8or AllThingsD article:
Tesla Owners Hit the Road to Prove Long Distance Can Be Done - Lauren Goode - General - AllThingsD�
Feb 17, 2013
andrewket I'm still waiting on my MS. Hopefully it gets here in March. Where in MD are you? I'm near Tyson's Corner and I'm in MD all the time.�
Feb 17, 2013
cinergi I encourage everyone to stay civil with respect to insulting or personalizing attacks against him. It degrades us as a respectful community (regardless of his actions).�
Feb 17, 2013
GasDoc Congratulations on your success!
So, in a nutshell, what did the Tesla road trip guys do differently than Broder?�
Feb 17, 2013
aaron.s Bearman
My home is 55 miles from the supercharger in Westchester, NY. I drove down I95 with the others then veered off to my home and they continued down I95 to the George Washington Bridge and south to MD.
Have to save those range charges for when I really need them!
Aaron�
Feb 17, 2013
EVNow Very true. Old media has been especially slow to understand this.�
Feb 17, 2013
Fedderman +1
Kudos to the participants for their personal sacrifices and excellent planning/execution on the drive this weekend. The performance and range capabilities of this amazing car are very well documented and indisputable. Let us focus our energies on promoting an ever-improving charging infrastructure: ubiquity of high speed charging stations.�
Feb 17, 2013
Norbert I expect they will write report(s) about all that.
Until then, the short story: They did 100% charges at the Superchargers. That simple.
(Temperatures where not quite as cold. I think 5F or a bit more higher on on the stretch from Delaware to Milford, and 10F higher overnight. However on the roundtrip Milford->Groton->Stonington->Milton, they had snow and (head-)winds which had a small but noticeable effect on efficiency.)
Specifically on the leg of the trip on which Broder failed, the Model S which didn't use hotel overnight charging either, had a remaining charge of 72 miles, having returned to Milford. This car used Superchargers only.
(However, overnight charging was available in Groton, and is better to do than not. But as one can see, it worked even without, and plenty range left.)�
Feb 17, 2013
winfield100 they did the trip and no one failed from what I can tell. oh, they did have cozy warm interiors
:smile:�
Feb 17, 2013
sp4rk Have to agree with you 100%.
I am so proud to be part of this community (stealing Bonnie's words, but mine too) but there's also a line to be drawn between great humour and ... the urinal shot, IMO, is in poor taste.�
Feb 17, 2013
Jack In my case, a couple of things:
- Milford to Wilmington without a range charge driving mostly at 75+ (if you accept a net neutral recovery of overnight depletion at chargepoint as making it)
- NYC to Metrowest MA in difficult condtions without a range charge (although need 25 top off at a chargepoint), driving on the Hutch instead of past Milford
- Relying on highly accurate predictive data to make informed decisions about how much risk to take with range
- Driving an S as a high performance car as i would do any other high performance vehicle and coming to the conclusion that all we're missing is some infrastructure
- Thinking about my S in a new way - with a much broader range of use cases
Other team members showed what we already knew - that the broder report was without doubt wrong.�
Feb 17, 2013
markwj IMHO: They charged the cars to provide adequate range for the next leg, with a safety margin. Broder charged less and less, and reduced the safety margin, each time. Seriously, it is that simple.�
Feb 17, 2013
Bearman Thanks aaron, of course, didn't know you were close to home when following the feed.
Btw thanks for doing this for all of us!
Well done!�
Feb 17, 2013
sp4rk Is it just me or did Lauren Goode's article not exactly praise their efforts. I got the distinct impression there was a negative tone to it?�
Feb 17, 2013
Abe92 Really well done! Inspired me to move up my timeline to try to own one.�
Feb 17, 2013
CapitalistOppressor Fair Mod warning, this is off topic and might want to be moved to another thread along with the OP by Jack.
Couple of quick options come to mind.
Direct investment - Maybe owners need to form co-ops, and pool capital to invest in infrastructure, with user fees to cover energy costs and fund new construction (Call it the Tesla Motors Club). I think Roadster owners might have done something similar, but there are now more Model S's being delivered every 6 weeks or so as there were Roadsters delivered in the entire history of that vehicle. Anyways, think of it as a new Chargepoint type system but with a focus on higher power chargers, and enabling long distance travel, to supplement the SuperCharger buildout.
Political/Lobbying - Most folks purchasing a Model S, or thinking of purchasing one, are going to be fairly well off. It would be fairly trivial to form a Model S Owners Super-Pac and lobby for additional infrastructure around the country. Or, as an alternative, partisan websites like Daily Kos or Redstate directly solicit contributions from their readers for individual politicians.
A Super-Pac allows for unlimited contributions if anyone is willing to devote substantial resources (I'm looking at you Elon), while the direct contribution method works best with lots of individual donors focusing their efforts with lots of smaller contributions.
Unconventional/Hybrid - Someone mentioned that they'd like to see a "McDonalds Like Entity" step up to the plate and commit to having charge stations at every franchise. You could employ a letter writing campaign, or merge it with the direct investment option, ie have a hypothetical Tesla Motors Club Co-op offer to fund a portion of the capital cost, while the "McDonalds Like Entity" provides matching funds in exchange for green washing, new business from EV drivers and taking a cut of the use fees.�
Feb 17, 2013
aaron.s GasDoc
Simple.... We charged our cars to 100% at each of the supercharger stops!
Aaron�
Feb 17, 2013
Abe92 As others have noted, please follow up with a written report which will be quite widely read.�
Feb 17, 2013
dsm363 Use the blog function on this site too.�
Feb 17, 2013
Sharkonwheels Volt owner here...
Kudos to the group - someone needed to shut that dude up. Even though I don't have a Tesla (I'm thinking I will, after my Volt lease is up!), some of his statements even I saw as outrageous.
I'm still wondering about that 60mi range drop overnight - that calculates out to a vanished ~roughly 20kWh in 7-9hr time span!
And who on earth would take off on a 61mi drive, with only 32mi worth of "fuel?" I don't care if it's electricity, gas, diesel, hydrogen - could ne the Back to the future "Mr Fusion" for all I care - who in their right mind hits the road with 1/2 the fuel needed?
Anyways, with CNN doing it, and even a longer run, and now a group of Model S', it's plainly obvious that the car is MORE than capable. Apparently, the journalist wasn't.
Cheers, and good show guys!�
Feb 17, 2013
ibcs Thank all of you for a great weekend with Twitter. Really enjoyed the telemetry and actual video feed. Great job to everyone proofing a point that the Tesla Model S is the real deal!�
Feb 17, 2013
bobw
I think the third paragraph might be worded better. It gives the impression that not every car could make the entire trip. The fact is that not every owner intended to make the entire trip.
It would be better to state that four cars made the trip, accompanied part way by five other Model S owners.
All four cars whose owners intended to drive the entire route did so.�
Feb 17, 2013
cwerdna Agreed! Kudos! It's awesome see enthusiastic owners in a grassroots effort prove Broder wrong.
I really hope Joe Sixpack will hear of this trip and the CNN reporter's successful trip and not just Broder's crap. On the plus side (maybe), Tesla's been getting a lot of publicity because of this. Hopefully it's net positive.�
Feb 17, 2013
yobigd20 Two comments:
1) what I find interesting is the ferocity of owners fighting for what is right. I thought there'd be like one or two people recreating this but wow - a whole group like that meeting and doing it together is just incredible. It's not like Tesla has to fight this battle alone. We're all in this together if we really want to change the future of the auto industry and that we do. So many doubters. I have many people questioning my purchase. I can't wait to take them for test drives. I think they are just very ignorant, stubborn, and VERY closed minded about EVs. Any explanation to them goes in one ear and out the other. Trying to explain to them that the Tesla Model S is the real deal and a game changer is like trying to play chess with a pigeon - it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory. I think they are the type that just needs to see it to believe it.
I know we all believe it as owners and we're all very smart people here. Our efforts , as small as they may be, will collectively change doubters minds one by one and each person that is converted will likely never go back to ICE again and they will also join the bandwagon of fun and have a domino effect with their families and friends. This effort here is exactly the type of thing that needs to happen for this new wave of the auto future to succeed.
And 2) you're also all very good at failing in photoshop .. so many jaggies lol you're Brodering the photoshop app by not reading the directions lol�
Feb 17, 2013
Sharkonwheels I don't see how it could not be - when you look around and see the articles mentioning it (CNN, Examiner.com, etc...) they're all basically snickering at Broder.
If you notice, he hasn't said a PEEP online since Thursday - and neither has Maggie Sullivan, editor of NYTimes. They've all been completely, and utterly, silent on the subject.
You guys might be feeling just a small portion of what us Volt owners have been dealing with, in all the political grandstanding last year regarding the Volt. It was a constant fight w/people consistently lying.
As a fellow EV driver (I'm 98% electric, haven't burned a drop of gas since 12/21/2012 - http://www.voltstats.net/Stats/Details/2171 - so I think I can say that!) I'm absolutely THRILLED you put that cat in his place, and was taking the fight to twitter in your support.
EXCELLENT show!�
Feb 17, 2013
SteveG3 +1 cinergi
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SteveG3 and cinergi are right - i have no edit button - can a mod remove my "twit" reference above? I don't want to stoop down to that level, although that is VERY restrained considering what I REALLY think�
Feb 17, 2013
Al Sherman All respect, and thanks for your participation Ben. Truly.
I don't see a grey area between zero journalistic integrity, and pure stupidity. That's me putting it nicely. I think the Times owes Tesla, and it's readers an apology for either. I don't feel that this is coming given Ms. Sullivans latest blog entry. It clearly WAS NOT just an honest misunderstanding. Sorry, but I'm still a little angry. There's a fine line between telling the truth and name calling. It's relative.�
Feb 17, 2013
Jack I think Ben makes and important point and that we all need to take the high road whenever possible.
That said, a cause that we all deeply believe in and care about was slandered - slandered - in one of the most prominent and influential publications in the world. I have no idea - nor do i really care - whether it was mal-intent or just plain sloppiness, but we can not and have not stood idly by. The data here are unambigous - aren't there professional standards or anyone that cares enough about these standards at the NYT? Al is spot on - there should be a retraction and an apology to Tesla and the Tesla community. I think Ben's sage advise applies more so the NYT than our community.�
Feb 17, 2013
cinergi Thanks Al. I'm sure we're on the same page -- I'm basically just saying there's a difference between saying "hey, I'm outraged" and "haha here's a picture of you in a urinal you $@#@" ...
No need to apologize for feeling angry.�
Feb 17, 2013
Al Sherman Gotchya. No question.�
Feb 17, 2013
Sharkonwheels I agree [thanks mods for clearing my statement]. Question: what latest blog entry are you referring to? All I see in Ms. Sullivan's blog is the one from 2/14, before the CNN and TMC roadtrips...
There's too many intentional things, in my opinion. I mean, he was TOLD to supercharge to 100%, and he left early, saying he had enough range for the next day. Well, if you THINK you know better, why are you ASKING Tesla how long to charge?
And if you are going to ignore their instructions, again, why are you calling?
On the overnight range loss... that one still blows my mind... that's like 20-22kWh of energy that just vanished!
And then taking off on a 61mi jaunt, with 32mi of "fuel.'
Oh, and let's not forget circling Milford station, "looking for the supercharger," and as our fearless group showed, it is RIGHT in your face as soon as you pull in!
Sorry - I'll pas on the "mistake card" and go straight to the "_________" card. (Trying to be civil, as requested.)
I think NYTimes owes Tesla quite a BIT more than just an apology, and I think it's not over - I think more people will do the drive, maybe more owners will do the drive, and it will make the NYTimes look worse and worse.
Only time will tell how this game plays out, but I see Tesla winning on all fronts - the media has been covering all the successful roadtrips, and it's damning evidence against the article.�
Feb 17, 2013
SteveG3 Shark that's awesome (and tongue held is one thing, I totally understand the feelings). Let's hope the Margaret Sullivan has the same ability to call for retraction!
On that topic. As someone noted, we've not heard from Sullivan since Thursday. While her update itself on Thursday was not that encouraging, the fact that we've not heard more is. She closed by saying she hoped to update and conclude Friday. Her not having done so suggests she is being more open to Tesla's side of the story than the update Thursday would have suggested. Bear in mind, she'd not had a chance to sleep on Musk's data post when these comments were written.
link to her post from Thursday, has short update from later Thursday at bottom. one other note on this... NY Times has not added on any new comments from the public to her blog post since Friday afternoon.
Conflicting Assertions Over an Electric Car Test Drive The Public Editor - NYTimes.com
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Feb 17, 2013
Sharkonwheels
Heh - did you read the comment about 5 down, "Engineer checking in," about a 100kWh battery needing 80A/240V circuit, and 400A service to the house?!?
This is the kind of junk we're constantly trying to get rid of... It's one thing to fight the haters, Big Oil, and Anti-EV crowd. It's a total other thing to fight those who THINK they know!
I have a BLiNK charger in my garage, on a 40A circuit (Volt only handles [email�protected]) set to support up to 30A (switchable up to 40A @ 240V I think) 7.2kWh charging.
And my house only has 200A service, so I don't know what the "Engineer checking in" actually engineers... sure isn't electrical engineering, that's for sure.
Are ya still gonna let us use "Brodering" as a verb, though? Come on.... throw us a small bone...�
Feb 17, 2013
teslasguy One final thought. I was struck by how surprised all the reporters seemed who caught us at stops along the way, that this event wasn't organized and paid for by Tesla. They seemed to be genuinely impressed that Tesla has so many customers that are so much in love with the car that we would do this on our own. For me it was an honor to help organize and participate in this drive. Just can't say enough how amazing this car is. Met a guy along the way that told me he is dumping his Bentley to get a new Model S! Wow!
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Feb 17, 2013
HoneyBug My wife "HoneyBug" and I also thank all the drivers and followers who have gone way out of their way this weekend to prove to the NYT that the Broder article was "faked". We're hoping we can participate in some sort of show of Tesla Model S amperage here in California. Elon, George, we've all got your back!
BTW, I'm proud that my picture of my wife in her Tesla Model S in front of the Golden Gate Bridge was this Friday's "Coin a Caption" photo! But you guys really stole the show this weekend!!!
Also, we're planning a trip around the US this May. I'm hopeful that we could get set up with PureAmps telemetry for our trip! The telemetry really enhanced the event!
I think this link will work:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151438349967801&set=a.398080447800.166146.18790602800&type=1&ref=nf
- The Veritable Bugeater�
Feb 17, 2013
shokunin Great work to all involved, kudos!!
The error in supercharging reinforces the need to at least have an HPWC in one of the stalls. If the SC goes offline during non-business hours there would be a fallback plan rather than finding another station on recargo.�
Feb 17, 2013
sp4rk Link to photo?�
Feb 17, 2013
Bifff67 I also was late to this and just got through the read. Thanks very much to all the participants. Really, thanks so much.
May I be the first to suggest that this group be awarded some sort of certificate of appreciation, signed by as many of us as possible. This was an important story in the history of the rebirth of the EV, maybe even in the larger vane of the new car upstarts over this century. So how do we do that? I hate all the negativism based on ignorance, lack of forward vision, inability to open the mind, and obviously never having test driven one! At least this thread along with all pages linked/ref'd need to be captured in a composite object.
Next comment: one of our favorite bloggers has not slept since Friday night. In the passion and the adrenalin of the moment many drafts have come and gone. I bet a massive missive will descend upon us roughly Tuesday. If its not out by Wed, I wonder if he succumbed to the extreme anxiety of such a robust response to the issue. Either way we win.�
Feb 17, 2013
GeekGirls Thanks to everyone who took the time to participate or promote this event. The NY Times article is clearly an attempt to influence people by painting an unrealistically negative picture of the current state of EV technology. They don't print "journalist ran out of gas" articles, do they? I didn't think so. Anyone who did would be rightfully embarrassed enough not to admit it - nor so smug as to put their name on an article like the one that started the whole mess. Whether or not the paper ever owns up to their journalistic lapse doesn't matter as much to me as the amazing response the situation inspired.�
Feb 17, 2013
cinergi My quick blog post: Taking a Road Trip In the Tesla Model S Fearless Bit�
Feb 17, 2013
dtich great post ben.�
Feb 17, 2013
Norbert Wow, that wasn't really clear so far. (At one point I saw a message of cars driving 55 mph or so, and thought you were going slower).
Was the speed limit mostly 65 mph? What about the snow on the way to Groton, were you driving slower there?�
Feb 17, 2013
cinergi We were under 65 only when we had to be -- sometimes when the limit was 55 or lower (e.g. frequent in the NY area), snow conditions (e.g. on the way to Groton), or traffic ...�
Feb 17, 2013
ModelS1079 You know, I took a little road thrip with three of these zealots - Ben, John, and Aaron- last fall. Together, we watched Elon and George and Franz and All at Tesla accept the Motor Trend Award for Car of 2013 ...And if I could have only known it would lead to this. Gents, thank you. I am away in a Rainforest but would have adored the chance to be there as Tesla Guy wrote the post immediately above. The anticipation of the trip and the chance to set the record straight. And you did it. So pleased to be a small part in this revolution which, as Elon and George noted in October in New York City, will change the lives of our children, and their children... And yes, hell, yes, I would have been there if I wasn't already 4000 miles away!
Bravo!
4 Teslas and about 3,600 collective miles round trip. Fuel costs using Superchargers: Zero. Gallons of Light. Onwards, All you fellow Model S and Roaster owners!
(and the RainfoRest I am overlooking by moonlight now thanks you as well).�
Feb 17, 2013
Norbert Since your blog has a photo with the gas prices, mentioning that Supercharger use is free: The amount you have to pay for the equivalent of one Supercharger charge, in current gas prices, requires most in the US to work more than two hours!�
Feb 17, 2013
ModelS1079 Awesome. Best Goodwin Publication yet. And that's a high bar.�
Feb 17, 2013
CapitalistOppressor For me the most impressive thing about the whole event is Cinergi's story. Drop of the hat, made a 700 mile round trip to participate in a rally. In an EV.
Cause he just felt like it and had a day he could spare to go support fellow enthusiasts. Done. Be there in a few hours.�
Feb 17, 2013
Yagi Great post! Thanks for sharing.
You write that one of the cars consistently used slightly more energy than the rest. From the pictures it looks like one car had 21" wheels - while the rest had 19". Was this the one using more? (Just wondering if the 21" vs 19" has noticeable difference in energy consumption)�
Feb 18, 2013
auleo Great job! I was following you (on twitter) every step of the way.
I was wondering, did you find out why teslaguy's MS was using more energy? Another question, were all the SuperChargers 90kW-capable even with 4 cars hooked up to them at the same time?�
Feb 18, 2013
Nichen Talk about EV-enthusiasm! I watched all videos and pictures and I loved to see the spirit you guys had/have. Thank you very much for sharing this! I know I have to start saving for a Model S now......�
Feb 18, 2013
rolosrevenge I agree.
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What about our Broder memes?�
Feb 18, 2013
Yagi Just to sort out my own question: I've been looking at all the pics now - and several cars had 21" wheels. So that could not have been the reason. Sorry for not checking this before posting. :redface:
Amazed by your enthusiasm. It speaks heaps for this car! Can't wait...�
Feb 18, 2013
Norbert There certainly is something... maybe not negative, just obfuscating what is really a very clear outcome (10F, or so, higher temps, yet even considering that, plenty of remaining range).�
Feb 18, 2013
randygts Awesome job guys! i would have loved to join you buy me MS doesn't get delivered to South Jersey until next week. Kudos!�
Feb 18, 2013
JRP3 I say bring em on. Let's be real here, either through ignorance or intent, probably both, Broder wrote an inaccurate piece that could do nothing but damage the company and the EV movement we are obviously all so passionate about. Sure we can take the high road, but let's not worry about being that much more elevated. At least the urinal was one step up from the "number two" choice :wink:�
Feb 18, 2013
Jeff Miller Great job guys! I wish I could have joined but don't have my model S (in the next few weeks I hope) and live a bit too far away.
It may not be possible because your data tracking may not have been turned on, but it would be really interesting to plot exactly the same data for your cars that Elon posted for Broder. The way I would be tempted to display that data is to take average of your all data (basically this would reduce noise) and then plot that average on the same plot as Broder's data but in a different color. That way one could clearly see in a quantifiable way the difference in range between doing things intelligently and doing what Broder did.�
Feb 18, 2013
Mark de Raaij Reading this thread and following twitter made me a proud (Europe) tesla model s reservation holder! Thanks!!�
Feb 18, 2013
NigelM Following the Twitter feed, I noticed Elon's mom following, his sister retweeted and last night @Jason (Jason Calcanis has 164k followers) tweeted a link to the story.
Nice.�
Feb 18, 2013
Jack I can't tell you all how amazing it felt to get into my S this morning after the road trip. I was already passionate about the car. There are no words to describe how much more amazed i am now that i've pushed it a bit and seen what it can do under some quite challenging conditions.
I no longer think of the S as a really cool electric car that needs babying. I now know that i own a world-class performance car that happens to be electric.
Let's get that infrastructure built out to remove the only remaining barriers. With the brilliance at Tesla, this can only get better over time. And the impact on the country and planet to boot!�
Feb 18, 2013
teslasguy Biggest challenges were NYC traffic (horrible) and weather. Strong winds, near whiteout snowstorm late at night through Connecticut, and what appeared to be black ice on i95 during our final first day run to Groton. I did not plug in overnight at the hotel in Groton, but only dropped less than 20 miles of rated range overnight in the roughly 20F icy weather overnight. In the morning we did the Stonington, Conn detour (where Broder went for breakfast) before turning around to head South for Milford. And we all arrived in Milford with lots of spare electrons.
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD�
Feb 18, 2013
aaron.s All -
Final stats on my car from the trip: Westchester, NY -> Rockville, MD -> Groton, CT -> Stonington, CT -> Home Westchester, NY
781.8 - Miles Driven
263.3 - Kwh Used
337 - Wh/mile
Pretty amazing for so much driving in winter, cold, snow and that headwind yesterday coming all the way back from Stonington!
Aaron
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Tesla is looking into (via the logs) why teslasguy (John's) car was the only one to use more energy than the rest of our cars, which were nearly identical throughout the trip....�
Feb 18, 2013
Jack Under full consideration of Ben's 'take the high road' guidance, i think it's ok to cite entries into well-known sources such as the Urban dictionary. Peter pointed this one out to the road trippers in an email:
Urban Dictionary
Broder
to waste time and/or energy in an attempt to fail at some task
1. I didn't want to go to the meeting so I Brodered back and forth between my office and the lunch room for 15 minutes until it started. Then I didn't go because it would have been rude to show up late.
2. I didn't want to have hamburgers again today, so last night I Brodered all the propane away by leaving the barbeque running after I was done cooking.�
Feb 18, 2013
Zythryn Once again, thank you guys so much for the phenomenal work, you make us all proud!
You mentioned earlier asking Tesla if you guys could get the logs for the trip. Did they get back to you on that?�
Feb 18, 2013
Beckler This will be the front page headline for tomorrow's New york times:
Model S: Debroderized�
Feb 18, 2013
mcornwell I wouldn't be surprised if Elon mentioned the road trip during this weeks earning call.
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Feb 18, 2013
Jeroens funny, love it. Could not resist and tweeted from the Urban page:
NY Times - Tesla Model S Reviewer makes name for himself: Broder on @urbandictionary broder.urbanup.com/6950296 #tesla #models�
Feb 18, 2013
Sharkonwheels Meh - I REFUSE to give him even an ounce of notoriety from this - whether good OR bad...
Next thing you know, he'll be famous for being a verb, everyone will want to interview him, etc...
No thanks - I'd rather let him simmer and boil in Interwebz hostility, and fade away back to the absolutely nothing that he was before this happened. Maybe this was his plan? He's now famous, and an Internet Verb?!?
I'm still curious about how quiet they've been.
I guess it's well to assume they told him to keep his trap shut, and stay the *#^$% off of twitter...
He hasn't posted since his 2/14 rebuttal to Elon where he claims to drive in circles looking for the Supercharger, and the editor not since 2/16.�
Feb 18, 2013
Enadler Ok guys I think the new title for your little expedition should be: Tesla Road Trip - No Compromises!
Great job all... you just proved that as long as you fuel properly (just like an ICE) a road trip in a Tesla is a just as easy as traveling in any other vehicle.�
Feb 18, 2013
sayidreddy http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/18/fleet-of-tesla-s-owners-set-out-to-debunk-nyt-report/
I got Engadget to cover this amazing story, over 200 comments already! Thanks so much to Aarons and the rest of the guys for making the time and effort in such a short amount of time.�
Feb 18, 2013
WarpedOne Is there a photo of navigation screen with directions to where exactly is charging station at Milford parking lot?
There is YouTube recording of voice navigation, but I need pics�
Feb 18, 2013
Bearman I agree it would be nice to see what it looks like on the 17" screen because here is what it looks like on the computer when searched, looks pretty spot on.
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Feb 18, 2013
kendallpb One correction--I left a comment, but it's awaiting moderation--the trip started at the Rockville SC, at least from the pictures and what I'd read...not the DC store...no?
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Sorry, I also meant to say, great blog post, and really cool road trip, folks! A groovy testament to what you can do with the car and how well it performs, even in adverse conditions (cold, snow, wind, negative publicity ;-) ).�
Feb 18, 2013
Seegem I've reached new levels of pride for being a part of this community, owning a tesla, and helping the EV industry and thus helping ourselves. Well done everyone! Love tesla, our community, what we're doing, beating ignorance�
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