Feb 12, 2013
iridium +1
I was surprised how many are up here. With an adapter getting around the northwest would be no issue.�
Feb 12, 2013
Zextraterrestrial I am waiting 'patiently' but want to go to Hood/Bachelor soon.... please. ( and not a 20+ hour trip to get there)
these adapters should have been out before the car!�
Feb 12, 2013
SteveH Hey, I'm looking forward to the adaptors too, but let's not go crazy. Would you rather have the car without the adapter or the adapter without the car.�
Feb 12, 2013
Zextraterrestrial ya, the car rocks even without being able to go skiing this year! but it would be nice ;>
But, since there is a network in place, it would be nice to be able to use it ( when I got my car I had no Idea there was a CHAdeMO network in OR/WA already so no question about the car vs adapter )�
Feb 12, 2013
100thMonkey I agree, being in an area with a substantial network and being locked out of it with such a premium car is a real drag.
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Feb 12, 2013
palmer_md I'm sure that is how Roadster owners feel about the Supercharger Network.�
Feb 12, 2013
SuperCoug Generally speaking, how quickly do we anticipate a Model S charging on a CHAdeMO charger like those in Washington and Oregon? I assume it's not nearly as quick as a Tesla Supercharger but does anybody had a feel for what kind of charge speed we can expect?�
Feb 12, 2013
ahimberg I think the installed CHAdeMO is ~50kW, where supercharger with a model S is up to ~90kW. So about half the rate of a supercharger, but still >5x faster than a typical J1772 (or 2.5x faster if you find a high amp J1772 AND you have twin chargers on your model s)�
Feb 13, 2013
Bipo Regardind Supercharger only charges above 50 kW for a while (about 40% of the average charging time), I assume with CHAdeMO it will take almost same time as Supercharger when SOC is over 60% and maybe one and a half times when under.
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Feb 13, 2013
jomo25 Yes, Ecotality has installed a bunch of Chademo stations in the PHX area lately. an adapter to allow the MS to use that would do wonders for the charging options for MS owners here. I'd dare say having one would actually impact sales for the MS.
Update: just checked as of today there are 22 Chademo stations in the greater PHX metro area. And they are nicely spread out around town.�
Feb 13, 2013
TurboFroggy I think with the Chademo adapter on a 50kw station the charge times will be very close to the Supercharging times due to the steep decline in charge speed during the session. Here is a great study on fast charging between a 25KW charger and a 50kw charger: http://www.americas.fujielectric.com/sites/default/files/DC%20Quick%20Charging%20-%20FEA%20Comparison%20Study%20%20%2825kW%20vs%20%2050kW%29%207-3-12.pdf. 50kw charger is only 7-10 minutes faster charging a Leaf than a 25kw charger. My guess is that a Supercharger will only be 7-10 minutes faster than the adapter on a 50kw Chademo charger on the Model S.�
Feb 13, 2013
AMPd I just noticed all the CHAdeMO charging stations in the bay area, a place I travel to often on the weekends, so now I'm really hoping for an adapter.
Would make the trip from Sacramento to Golden Gate bridge to Santa Cruz a lot faster�
Feb 13, 2013
EarlyAdopter The DC chargers in WA and OR are either 60kw and 50kw, depending on when they were installed.
Here are the spec sheets:
http://evsolutions.avinc.com/uploads/products/3_AV_EV60-PS_061110_publlic_dc.pdf
http://evsolutions.avinc.com/uploads/products/AV_EV50-PS_0610_10124.pdf�
Feb 13, 2013
brianman "CHAdeMO ... option"
Does that mean they have J1772 or some other connector as well?�
Feb 13, 2013
EarlyAdopter They do also have J1772's on each station, but I think the "CHAdeMO option" indicates that the DC charging unit is modular and potentially upgradable to other DC connectors and charging protocols in the future.�
Feb 13, 2013
brianman I keep forgetting so I'll just ask...
Is the J1772 capable of the full 60 kW or limited to lower than that?�
Feb 13, 2013
EarlyAdopter J1772 is typically just 208v AC @ 30A = 6kw. I believe that's the max the connector has been UL certified to. So way less than a DC rapid charger.�
Feb 13, 2013
ChadS Yeah, the state (WA anyway, I'm not positive what OR did) put out an RFP for CHAdeMO stations, and then after Aerovironment won, begged them to put in J1772 stations as well - for free. Aerovironment, like most companies only makes 30A J1772 stations so 30A is all they got. Too bad, as 70A units all over WA and OR would have been awesome for the Roadster.�
Feb 13, 2013
brianman ... and for Model S.�
Feb 14, 2013
ChadS Very true. I left that out because Supercharger buildout OR a CHAdeMO adapter the Model S would be better for the S. But we don't have either of those here yet, so yeah 70A L2's on the West Coast Green Highway would be a very welcome addition. (I did try to get the state to have them put in before this all happened, but given that they were begging for any L2 and AV didn't have 70A units, it was a no-go).�
Feb 14, 2013
brianman Chad what's your best guess on if and when an owner or 3rd party will make an unofficial CHAdeMO adapter for the Model S (if Tesla doesn't offer one in the U.S./Canada)?�
Feb 15, 2013
Ingineer We'll be happy to make one, but the cost is going to be high, if nothing else, simply because the connectors are pricey!
In form, it would have to resemble this adapter:
We've built several of these to allow charging a J1772 vehicle (including the Model S) from a Roadster charger.
-Phil�
Feb 15, 2013
ChadS "If" depends a lot on "when", which I don't know much about. I don't have a good feel for how long it takes to design and build, but more importantly Tesla has not made their plans clear. I doubt Phil (or anybody else) wants to go to all of the work to design, build and market one - and then have Tesla offer theirs two weeks later.
But if Tesla is going to take three years to get the adapter out (entirely possible, it's taken them longer that to add a feature to the Roadster to text owners when charging stops) then there is clearly room for a third party. Like there was with the OVMS and RFMC for the Roadster. And even for HCSharp's "can" after Tesla offered their J1772 adapter for the Roadster.
Phil, if you can offer any thoughts on pricing and when units could be available, you may get useful feedback from people on this forum. I - and many others - bought an RFMC and an OVMS, and if you were to offer a CHAdeMO adapter I wouldn't plan on waiting for Tesla if they haven't given out any more information than they have already. But if it's $10k, hmm, maybe I'll just buy a book every time I take a road trip.�
Feb 15, 2013
doug My understanding from my communication with GeorgeB is that the CHAdeMO adapter is planned to be made available at launch in Japan (sometime this summer) and only in Japan. That seemed fairly clear. What's less clear is if you'll be able to get it or use it on this side of the Pacific.�
Feb 15, 2013
jerry33 Time to renew your Japanese connections.�
Feb 15, 2013
EchoDelta Yup There's a lof of them around here. Here's to hoping they will release some form of adapter. I have nothing against RV camps, but anything that gives additional options to get juice at better currents and with less hassle is welcome.
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Feb 15, 2013
Zapped Great, if they sell more than one connector to our friendly Japanese TESLA owner , who might sell it to us.
But really, why wouldn't TESLA sell it in North America also ?�
Feb 16, 2013
brianman http://www.ebay.co.jp/?
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I can't think of a single "happy customers" reason. I can think of many other reasons. : |�
Feb 16, 2013
jomo25 Again as suggested above, you may be able to procure an adapter Stateside, but firmware could restrict its use. But I agree, I can't think of ANY reason why they wouldn't sell and/or allow it to be used anywhere. It only makes the vehicle more appealing. As I mentioned, there are 0 superchargers in range of PHX. There are 22 already installed CHAdeMO stations around town.�
Feb 16, 2013
jcstp when where those chademo chargers installed?
When was the Leaf introduced?
When was the model S introduced?�
Feb 16, 2013
ChadS Hi jcstp. Perhaps I'm just not understanding your questions - I am happy to answer them if you really want to know (early 2011 to late 2012, Dec 2010, and June 2012). But it sounds (?) like you are suggesting we just need to be patient; the Model S came out after the Leaf, so Superchargers will come out after CHAdeMO chargers.
However (if that is the point you are making), I believe that point is moot for two reasons. One is that that doesn't matter now - there are CHAdeMO chargers now, and I have my car now, and I want to take trips now. The full Supercharger buildout is supposed to take a few years, and given that fast charging is available now, there's no reason for Tesla to not release an adapter they have to build anyway.
The second issue is that even in the future once Tesla has a chance to "catch up" - they NEVER plan to cover many places that CHAdeMO has already covered. A CHAdeMO adapter will ALWAYS be helpful for a great many trips. It is not just a temporary patch.�
Feb 16, 2013
jcstp That was indeed my point!
This does not mean I think the chademo-adapter will be unusefull!
But I think wanting everything now, immediately, is a lot!
I think once the decision made to put superchargers in a state it can go fast! (apparently 2 years for the full network)
I do not think at the end of this year you will be able to do a crosscountry-trip only using chademo?
I am sure lot of your disapointment will be solved step by step during this year!
I am just as curious as you to see the evolution!�
Feb 16, 2013
ChadS Your point is taken, but I don't want everything now. There are many, many things I am very patient about. I just want what Tesla said they'd deliver (in 2009 one of the very few claims they made was that this would be a fast-charging car, that requires charger access as well as the car; and in 2012 they promised the Model S charging would be "as omnivorous as possible"). Not only for myself, but for many people that won't buy an EV until they are sure it will work for all of their trips. When I ask people IRL why they don't buy a Tesla, they never say they are waiting for better sun visors, more cupholders, winter floor mats, adaptive cruise control, opportunity consoles or the new red paint. They only answers I hear are that they are waiting for a cheaper version, a different type of car, or for more fast charging to be available. The first two are incredibly expensive, long-term projects and so I'm not pushing on them, but more fast charging already IS available, we just need the adapter - which Tesla is building anyway. (The adapter is not trivial, but it is nowhere near the complexity of a new car model).
You are correct that I can't do a cross-country trip using CHAdeMO any time soon. But then, I don't want to take a cross-country trip (and I can only think of one person I know IRL that does). CHAdeMO already covers almost everywhere I'd want to go (and Superchargers already conveniently cover most of the rest).
It is unfortunate that there is more than one type of DC charger and that Tesla has to build an adapter. But any good long-range EV has to use the chargers that are in the ground, and CHAdeMO was around before Tesla so they knew they'd have to support it.
We obviously both agree that more charging is better, and sooner is better, and Tesla is doing what they can. I too look forward to more announcements.�
Feb 16, 2013
brianman @jcstp
Also note that, to my recollection, nobody has said they aren't willing to pay (something reasonable) for the adapter. I have less issue with people asking for something (of Tesla or whoever) when they're willing to pay for it, than when people just demand everything they fancy to be included without cost.
Two reasons for this difference. First is that willingness to pay indicates strength of desire and recognition that things costs; it's a philosophical thing. Second is that payment can solve timeline and resource constraint problems because they can hire or outsource so that the work gets done more quickly; it's a logistics thing.�
Feb 16, 2013
jcstp I hope it comes soon.
If they will introduce it when they sell their car to japan, the adapter will probably appear this year.
Or is Japan only set to get it's cars next year?
Anyhow if tesla has an adapter it would indeed be smart to sell it worldwide! It would make more financial sence! ;-)�
Feb 16, 2013
Bipo I think the answer to this problem is not an adaptor to CHAdeMO but the compulsory installation of a Combo plug in every DC charger of USA. As long as the power electronics are the same, the cost increase is marginal (maybe 5 to 10%).
Federal goverment should take a decission about this to finish with this absurd plug wars.�
Feb 16, 2013
brianman If they don't, I'll probably buy one on Ebay. Sucks, but so goes life.�
Mar 6, 2013
Robert.Boston Tweets from Norway (@gronnbilnorge): (translated from Norwegian):
Also:
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Mar 6, 2013
Johan I'm at the US ambassadors villa, Elon is speaking, CONFIRMS Chademo adapter for EU.�
Mar 6, 2013
Johan I'm at the US ambassadors villa, Elon is speaking, CONFIRMS Chademo adapter for EU.�
Mar 6, 2013
Discoducky This is great news! If I had that adapter now I could probably shave an entire day off of the Seattle to Folsom leg of our trip later this month.�
Mar 6, 2013
Al Sherman Pics or it didn't happen.:smile:�
Mar 6, 2013
widodh Sounds more then reasonable that you guys in the US also get the adapter or you can obtain it via the EU (which would be odd..)�
Mar 6, 2013
Johan 
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Mar 6, 2013
Al Sherman Nice! Which one is you?�
Mar 6, 2013
jkirkebo Also type 2 inlet is confirmed for EU cars.�
Mar 6, 2013
Johan Here's one blurry of me and him.
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Mar 6, 2013
Al Sherman Fantastic! Two great looking young men.�
Mar 6, 2013
100thMonkey it would sure be nice if I could go gallivanting about in WA and Oregon, demonstrating the speed and ease at which the S can handle long trips... but for lack of a CHAdeMO adapter, I'd have to drive my S like a Leaf and sit for long periods, only adding to the bad press. we've got CHAdeMO every 25-40 miles from Canada to California along the interstate, come on Tesla, unchain me, give us the CHAdeMO!!!!�
Mar 6, 2013
Zextraterrestrial Yes, yes, yes!
please
I wanna going skiing..waaa :crying:
a full day to get to Bachelor/Hood is murder!�
Mar 6, 2013
Al Sherman Elon said in Geneva today that it's coming.�
Mar 6, 2013
doug So a CHAdeMO adapter is confirmed for Europe as well as Japan. Seems that US would just follow.
Hmm... I thought adapters weren't allowed in Europe.�
Mar 6, 2013
doug Probably would still want to get it from Japan since Europe will have a different inlet.�
Mar 6, 2013
dave I can't even get the 14-30 adapter that's been advertised since the beginning of time!�
Mar 6, 2013
JakeP Hey, I just received a 14-30 last week, unexpectedly in the mail. I really need the 10-30, but I ordered both.�
Mar 6, 2013
Puyallup Bill Gee, I didn't know Elon owned a necktie!
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And with CHAdeMO in Astoria and now in Cannon Beach, the Oregon coast opens up.�
Mar 6, 2013
Qualchan Wow! Shows I'm obviously not a skier by asking, but are our Oregon slopes that great that you'd drive all the way up here? Or do you just want a reason to put Joules to the road with some fun skiing at the end?
Hooray for CHAdeMO!�
Mar 6, 2013
stopcrazypp I almost forgot about that. If a CHAdeMO adapter is legal, they could have gone with a three phase version of the Model S socket instead of a Mennekes socket as they have done now. I wonder if they were able to lobby the IEC to change the adapter ban.�
Mar 6, 2013
EVNow Good news - but only if 40 kWh model gets it too
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Mar 6, 2013
Jason S He's in Eureka, which is far enough north that Bend is about as close as Tahoe.
As a skier, I consider both places equally nice. But typically nicer powder on the more northern slopes (Oregon).�
Mar 6, 2013
Eric Bendler I would even pay $500 for it. Most CHEdeMo chargers are either 50 or 60 kw (I think). That immediatly makes the car more useful. There are dozens of these chargers in the Chicagoland area.
Waiting is so hard. It's all you think about when you should just be enjoying your car.�
Mar 6, 2013
Puyallup Bill Hate to say it, but methinks $500.00 is a bit low. I'm thinking more like $750 or better.�
Mar 7, 2013
Bipo Maybe the illegal issue is to plug a Type 2 into an adapter, but as the CHAdeMO is not under the EU norm but under its own norm (I think), maybe it's allowed to be plugged into an adaptor.�
Mar 7, 2013
drees I think you're looking at least 2-3 times $750 unless Tesla plans on losing money on them. The high power connectors and electronics are not cheap.�
Mar 7, 2013
jkirkebo The connectors probably cost a bit, but you only need a CHAdeMO inlet, not an expensive plug. The other plug Tesla makes themselves. Any electronics would be cheap low power protocol translation stuff, there is no need for any high power electronics.
My guess is around $1000.�
Mar 7, 2013
bluetinc Why do you think the CHAdeMO inlet is not an expensive plug? I priced them out a while ago and couldn't find any source of them at anywhere a reasonable cost. Do you have a cheap source?
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Mar 7, 2013
jkirkebo Nope, but Nissan charges $700 for the QC option on the Leaf. That includes quite a lot more than the inlet, which they probably pay no more than $100 for or thereabouts.
What I must pay for one and what Tesla must pay for 5000 has little correlation.�
Mar 7, 2013
100thMonkey given what the lack of super chargers is doing to Tesla's reputation in cold weather, it would be money well spent in the PR realm to just give them away with the car upon request. $100,000,000 is a lot of lost revenue, mostly based on perception, IMHO. At least Tesla could point to the demonstration area's as an example of what the future holds. It's going to be a loong time before Tesla is able to come anywhere close with the super charger installs to the number of DCQC's we already have in the ground here in the NW, and the number increases every couple of weeks!
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Mar 7, 2013
stopcrazypp I doubt that is the case since CHAdeMO is currently working to get their standard approved to be part of the IEC spec. If that is the case, the adapter would become illegal after CHAdeMO gets approved.
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Well it's not just a simple inlet. Tesla also has to pay for all the R&D to basically "emulate" the CHAdeMO protocol and all the signals (including analog ones). And it'll come with extra bulky cabling to handle up to 50kW DC. Basically it will not cost any less than a UMC (which costs $1500 for the Roadster, not sure how much for the Model S).�
Mar 7, 2013
dpeilow I've said this umpteen times now but it keeps getting forgotten... IEC is a standard, not the law.�
Mar 7, 2013
drees Yep, good estimate. You can buy a CHAdeMO inlet from Nissan for about $700 retail which pretty much puts a minimum price on the adapter. Sure Tesla should be able to get it for cheaper, but as you've stated, you still need to add in the rest of the parts (it's going to need some electronics, possibly high current contactors, a decent amount of cable, etc).
Heck - Tesla charges $750 for a simple J1772-Roadster adapter. The Roadster UMC is $1500 - the CHAdeMO adapter will undoubtedly more more complex and beefier than the UMC - I'll stick with my minimum $1500-2000 for a CHAdeMO adapter and won't be surprised if ends up being around $3k.�
Mar 7, 2013
stopcrazypp I understand that, but I put it that way to simplify what I mean. I'm assuming any policy the IEC backs will be enforced via law throughout Europe.
Kind of like in the US, NEC is not a "law" but it's still locally enforced and basically illegal practically everywhere in the US to violate any part of it. The analogous part of it to the IEC adapter policy is NEC 625, which covers EVSEs. Basically no manufacturer dares to violate it even though it's not officially "law" and there may be some local areas that do not have that part of the standard in their law. It's also the reason why there are very few "mobile chargers" that can use 220V since it requires a whole bunch of safety features under NEC 625, whereas 110V doesn't.�
Mar 7, 2013
jkirkebo The S UMC costs $500. Probably because of the much larger production volume.�
Mar 7, 2013
stopcrazypp If the S UMC costs $500, my guess for the CHAdeMO adapter pricing is $500-$1200 (I'm assuming it'll be cheaper than the HPC, but that depends on how much the cabling costs), probably closer to the $1200 end than the $500 end.�
Mar 7, 2013
brianman Sounds like fun to me. How long would these jaunts be? If it can be squeezed in a weekend, those of us occupied during weekdays could join the tour.�
Mar 8, 2013
Bipo Confirmed for Norway, not for EU...�
Mar 8, 2013
rolosrevenge I'd pay $2000 for CHAdeMO adapters. Most of those stations are currently free as well and it really expands the usefulness of the car.�
Mar 8, 2013
Laumb You couldnt as we get the new type 2 connector - the chademo adaptor will not fit your Tesla-plug.�
Mar 8, 2013
100thMonkey a tour would definitely be fun or maybe more like a swarm, like assign an S for each potential major route, all start at the same time from our various points of origin and post progress in real time, showing the full sprawl that is possible with the S and a fast charging network throughout the region, oh, now I'm getting excited. Tesla's already got a proving ground set up here in the Northwest and they apparently don't even know it, the CHAdeMO network is massive if you imagine a 250 mile driving radius from each DCQC in WA and OR. The west coast green highway goes all the way out to wenatchee, which is only 170 miles from Spokane, the stations go all the way out to the OR coast, the possibilities are impressive with the 85kW S combined with this network! the final locations could involve an overnight at various RV capable campgrounds, or hotels/motels with decent proximity to at least L2, allowing for a demonstration of the full distance one can go with an overnight "max range" charge for the returns. we could assure that everyone participating has a basic understanding how to achieve a desired range. doing it as a caravan could be fun but it would require a lot of logistics... there are enough DCQC's along i-5 that the S's could alternate stops to keep the flow going. the possibilities are many and right now they all hinge on a CHAdeMO adapter! Whose got connections to corporate? maybe if they knew we were planning this a few small mountains could be moved, it might just put the wind back in the sails with some impressive press coveerage!!!!
More than making each of us buy an adapter, if they are really going to be that expensive, perhaps Tesla can work out with the DOT here to provide a lock box with a chained adapter inside with adequate proximity to the parking spot and DCQC's? The good PR karma would be well worth the money, and much cheaper per location than installing as many super chargers and we wouldn't then have to lug the adapters around.
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Mar 9, 2013
widodh Ahhh, forgot that one�
Apr 15, 2013
Vander You are right- there are already LOTS of CHAdeMO chargers about every 40 miles on many of the highways here in WA as well as OR as a part of the "green highway" and I am told in much of Europe and Asia as well. They are in public lots by burger stations, etc, and available 24/7. Being able to access them, instead of just the slow speed adapters included with my car would make trips to the airport / city, etc infinitely more convenient. In speaking with Tesla customer support last week, I was told that "there are no current plans to create a CHAdeMO adapter for the S" in spite of the enormous benefit that it would provide for people like me that have a CHAdeMO infrustructure already in place. He took my VIN # and submitted a request in to his superiors to consider it's development. He told me that the more people that placed such a request, the more influence it would have on Tesla. If you are reading this thread and think that it would be a good idea for Tesla to make a (ChAdeMO) adapter available, consider calling customer service to request that they prioritize it. Better yet, if you have any influence (?tweet-o-sphere; publishing, etc) do whatever you think might help this effort along.�
Apr 17, 2013
Cosmacelf Hey all you guys that live in Los Angeles, there are two chademo fast charge stations in San Diego. I've heard one of the issues some Angelinos have is doing a day trip down to San Diego. Without a fast charger somewhere in San Diego it is hard to pull off. But if the Tesla had chademo compatibility...�
Apr 18, 2013
richkae +1 for wanting the adapter. I'll get one from Japan if necessary.�
Apr 18, 2013
Laumb Remember. If Japan gets a different car-side plug like EU Model will get, then the Chademo adaptor wont fit your US car.�
Apr 18, 2013
tdiggity What does this look like?�
Apr 18, 2013
doug I'd expect Japan to get the same single phase connector that the US has.�
Apr 18, 2013
jomo25 I'd agree that they will get likely the same port. That said, it is possible that Tesla could limit the ability for the adapter to only work on Japan-spec cars via software.
But God, I hope they don't. I would see no reason not to make it available. It does nothing to detract from the value of the MS or the Tesla brand. IMO, it only enhances it. And greatly.�
Apr 19, 2013
brianman "Charging Plus". Too soon?�
Apr 19, 2013
Laumb At first the Charging + package is $1800,- then they realize you need to also buy the original charge port - so it totals at $2700,-.�
Apr 19, 2013
Vander Whether Tesla ultimately offers a CHAdeMO adapter or not, if there is serious demand for one, I'll build it.
-Phil[/QUOTE]
Hey Phil... how much?? Here it WA, it would sure be nice!!�
Apr 20, 2013
pilotSteve Put me down for one as well Phil! (OR/WA has so many).
Hey Phil... how much?? Here it WA, it would sure be nice!![/QUOTE]�
Apr 20, 2013
Zextraterrestrial I think everyone in northern Ca, oregon and washington and nevada and...would want one
I'd be a little concerned if Tesla didn't make one. But I'll buy the cheaper one as long as it works and is 'safe'�
Apr 20, 2013
100thMonkey ditto that... rather disappointed in Tesla with respect to this and am prepared to go third party if need be. a few of us, myself included bought the car contingent on an adapter being made and were assured that one was on the way. now, the company response is that they have no plans. We've already got more CHAdeMO up here than Tesla is planning on putting in the entire country, being locked out doesn't feel good! The reality is that there are millions of gas stations in comparison. while I don't think we need millions of fast chargers, I do think we need probably thousands at the very least, way more than Tesla's planned 100. everyone departs from varying points and goes to varying points, not just from city to city, requiring a variety of options.
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Apr 20, 2013
Puyallup Bill Vander, could you reference the thread where Phil posted that? Thanks.�
Apr 20, 2013
Zextraterrestrial I wanted one months ago but I think the skiing opportunities are over. I think this is the first year in a loooong time I haven't gone skiing :cursing: including the year I fractured my T-6 and broke some ribs in September�
Apr 20, 2013
SwedishAdvocate I'm no Vander, but here's the quote:
It's on page 46 in this thread (post #452). And there's also this:
...and that's on page 51 in this thread (post #502).�
Apr 20, 2013
highfalutintodd If Tesla doesn't make one, put me down for one of Phil's as well!�
Apr 20, 2013
qwk I'm curious as to where anyone would find the Tesla connector for the car end. Tesla doesn't sell it seperately, but I guess one could just buy a UMC to get it. I'm guessing that this connector is not going to be able to be produced for under $2k in any kind of small volume. How many people would buy it for $3k?�
Apr 20, 2013
jomo25 The modified LEAF EVSEs he makes start out as a LEAF stock EVSE which is modified. So, yes, the cost of the LEAF EVSE is included in the full price (or he'll modify an eixsitng one for an upgrade fee if you send him the original). But I dont know how easy it would be for the Chademo application. I dont think the UMC is rated for that much kW, so, not sure if that's feasible.
Definitely interested in one if Tesla officially decides not to release one for US owners and there are no software limits.�
Apr 20, 2013
qwk I know you couldn't use the UMC, but would need to buy one to source the Tesla connector. That connector appears to be the same. I guess he could sell the remainder of the UMC with a J1772 end to rav4 ev owners.�
Apr 20, 2013
highfalutintodd Couldn't you just cannibalize a J1772 adapter for the plug? Hell of a lot cheaper than buying a whole UMC.
Shop Tesla Gear SAE J1772�
Apr 21, 2013
brianman You might want to start making a reservation list.
Put me down if you start said list.�
Apr 21, 2013
jomo25 Great point!�
Apr 21, 2013
mitch672 The expensive connector Phil is referring to is the Chademo female vehicle inlet connector, not the Model S side which can be fabricated with a $95 J-1772 to Tesla adapter.�
Apr 21, 2013
jomo25 Not a big deal, but I was still referring to qwk's query here: Likelihood of a CHAdeMO adapter for the Model S - Page 58, not the Chademo female inlet connector. I would imagine those are standard, whereas Tesla's is "proprietary". In any case, just hoping such an adapter is built by someone, Tesla or otherwise.�
Apr 21, 2013
mitch672 Chademo is also proprietary and a large part of the cost is the licensing fee. The Male connector with attached cord costs over $3,000 currently. The female ends are only used by Nissan on the Leaf and Mitsubishi on the iMEV, they are not a "standard" off the shelf part.�
Apr 21, 2013
qwk I just went out and looked at my J1772 adapter. I'm not so sure that adapting it to be used on a 50kw charging cable will be either easy or cheap. It looks like remanufacturing it to use in that application will cost some money.
My point is, the plugs on both ends will be quite expensive. The signal conversion box shouldn't cost too much to make, but that doesn't factor in the reverse engineering time to make it possible.
Because of the time, cost and effort involved to make one, I'm guessing that we won't see an aftermarket adapter until Tesla makes it clear that it isn't going to sell theirs in NA.�
Apr 21, 2013
drees The J1772 adapter is just a straight through adapter for each of the 5 pins, I believe - nothing special in it.
So it should be able to handle 80A - the real question: is it safe to use at up to 500VDC instead of 240VAC?
I suspect it is, so it should support around 30 kW charge rates on CHAdeMO (typical pack voltage is no higher than 400VDC, I believe). Definitely not a supercharger and only about 50% faster than twin-charging, but there are a lot more CHAdeMO chargers around than 70-80A J1772 stations...
The other alternative if you want to charge at full CHAdeMO speeds is to source the Tesla plug - one way to get the plug right now is to buy a HPC or mobile charger - sure that's $650-$1200, but it'd be nicer than using the J1772 adapter and if the rest of the CHAdeMO adapter already costs thousands, what's another thousand? :wink:�
Apr 21, 2013
Puyallup Bill If you happen to have a Zero Motorcycle, you can add CHAdeMO for $1,800. So, surely, we should be able to get an adapter for a couple hundred less.:biggrin:
http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=162�
Apr 21, 2013
Cosmacelf That's pretty sad when a low volume motorcycle manufacturer can release a CHAdeMO adapter, and Tesla can't, or won't.�
Apr 22, 2013
Kipernicus If the requisite adapters were available, would a 60kWh Model S without Supercharger access be able to use Chademo or SAE DC?�
Apr 22, 2013
qwk I really doubt it.�
Apr 22, 2013
drees Sure, it could be done - if you could convert high voltage DC back to 240VAC, that is!�
Apr 22, 2013
gregincal Since as we all know there is only a software difference in enabling supercharging, the answer is going to be whatever Tesla chooses. It depends whether they position the supercharger fee as enabling fast charging or getting access to the free superchargers. Nobody will know until they announce the adaptors (or more likely after they announce the adaptors without saying and people ask the question repeatedly). I agree the most likely answer is no.�
Apr 25, 2013
EarlyAdopter Here here.�
Apr 27, 2013
youlikeadajuice So New York City is doing a pilot program with Leaf Taxis and are installing, you guessed it, Chademo chargers at various locations:
Nissan Unveils Leaf Electric Taxi in New York - Drivers Seat - WSJ
They just keep sprouting up!�
Apr 27, 2013
aviators99 I predict that the SC announcement will include an adapter announcement. I just hope it isn't used to pad the SC number.�
Apr 27, 2013
JakeP I would love for this to be the case, now that my most-traveled road (the PA turnpike) will be installing Level 3 DC chargers this summer, long before the SCs get here. Even if I have to pay to charge, this would be welcome range-freedom!�
Apr 27, 2013
stopcrazypp That's not an adapter, but rather an additional port (similar to the $700 option on the Leaf). On Zero motorcycles, even the level 2 charger is optional (it comes standard with level 1). The CHAdeMO option for the Zero motorcycle is only 10kW.
An actual adapter will cost more money because it has to translate between two different DC charging standards through the existing charging port on the Model S (rather than a direct connection to the battery contactors inside the car) and will have extra costs for the external power cabling.�
Apr 27, 2013
SuperCoug Interesting and insightful prediction. Makes sense actually. I really hope you're right!�
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