Oct 15, 2014
AndY1 My friend, who traveled with his Nissan Leaf from Slovenia to Scotland, sent me photos of his journey. On one of them, I've noticed a Tesla Model S charging at Chademo station, using the Chademo adapter:
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Oct 15, 2014
widodh So a RHD Model S charging at Ecotricity in the UK!�
Oct 15, 2014
Benjamin Brooks They corrected their error. The page is back to saying $2950 for activation & adapter.�
Oct 15, 2014
markb1 It also now says "Adapter + CHAdeMO Onboard Hardware Activation" ("CHAdeMO" added.) This makes very little sense for $2,950, which is exactly the cost of the CHAdeMO adapter plus supercharger activation.
Adapter + CHAdeMO activation for $2,450 makes sense (no supercharger access) or Adapter + Supercharger activation for $2,950 makes sense.
Tesla: please get it together!�
Oct 15, 2014
jomo25 More likely the latter. As Chademo and SC activation are the same, and doubt they would want to track the difference between them.�
Oct 21, 2014
Pmacafee Does anyone know what the Chargepoint Chademo stations prices. I know that they will probably vary depending on who is the owner, but for now the Blink chargers near me might be $5 per charge.�
Oct 21, 2014
miimura Using the ChargePoint App and filtering for Level 3 and ChargePoint network only, there are only 5 CHAdeMO chargers in the SF Bay Area. 4 Nissan dealers and 1 hospital in Monterey. 3 dealers are free, 1 is $5 per session and the hospital is $6.50 per session. I don't know if the session cuts you off after 30 minutes or not. If it does, you would have to pay again to resume charging.�
Oct 21, 2014
Bugeater There is a new CHAdeMO charger in Palo Alto on El Camino Real. Heard about it in the last week or so.�
Oct 21, 2014
miimura It's not actually on El Camino, it's across the CalTrain tracks from Stanford Shopping Center at the corner of Lytton Ave and Alma St. Apparently, there is no card reader and you just press the start button. It is a curbside installation and people on PlugShare are complaining that the cable is a little short, presumably for the center mounted Leaf port. To charge a Model S, you would probably have to park facing traffic unless the adapter gave you enough extra cable length. Bring a towel too, just in case that giant metal CHAdeMO handle is touching the car as the cable stretches around.�
Oct 21, 2014
T.blomer And bring your Chademo adapter!?! Do you already have one?�
Oct 21, 2014
Bugeater For my daughter with a Leaf, it works!�
Oct 21, 2014
miimura No, but this location is less than 8km from Tesla HQ.�
Oct 30, 2014
ChrisC "It was more than a year ago when Tesla Motors first unveiled its Model S CHAdeMO adapter. The price way back then was $1,000. Status � coming soon. While the status of coming soon remains, the price has been cut by more than half: $450 . This confirms that Tesla is nearly ready to begin selling this adapter to the public at a far more reasonable price than was first claimed."
InsideEVs: Tesla Model S CHAdeMO Adapter Now Only $450 - Was $1,000�
Oct 30, 2014
EdA I brought up Plugshare yesterday to look for some local chargers and it appears most Nissan dealers in eastern MA now have CHAdeMO chargers!
This is a huge surprise to me. The adapter will come in handy IMO.�
Oct 30, 2014
CmdrThor Nissan dealers really don't want to provide charging and many deny even LEAFs if they haven't been purchased from that dealer. I wouldn't count on a high success rate charging on CHAdeMO at Nissan dealers ...�
Oct 30, 2014
TexasEV That blog was about 3 weeks late with the info about the price drop. It was reported here when it happened.�
Oct 30, 2014
dhrivnak Fortunately I have had a VERY different experience with Nissan dealers. I have used 5 different ones for charging and they were ALL VERY helpful and supportive. Just plan to spend some time answering questions about EV ownership.�
Oct 30, 2014
wws It seems like it would behoove a Nissan dealer to do this. After all, they have a captive audience and could easily use it as an opportunity to show off a Leaf "for the kids to drive".�
Oct 30, 2014
TEG I have noticed (at least locally) a shift there. Many have switched to card access pay per use on their CHAdeMO and so they are a bit better about letting "random" people drive up and use the charging since they aren't giving away the power for free anymore. On the other hand, if their service department wants to charge a customer car, you might get told you need to wait in line.�
Oct 30, 2014
LMB (LMB Spouse)
We've only used one, at the largest Nissan dealer in South Carolina. They were extremely friendly about using one of their two chargers, moving one of their own Leafs which was plugged in when we arrived on a busy Saturday morning. It took them 20 minutes to find someone to give us a tour of a Leaf, and he knew less about it than we did. In their defense, I think he said they sell four or five a year so it's not a focus. The seats were comfy, though.�
Oct 30, 2014
EdA I've used Nissan dealers in Maine, VA and PA. They've helped me so much I now own a Nissan hat!�
Oct 30, 2014
jrreno I have to chime in here. The Nissan dealers I have dealt with while driving my Leaf were all very friendly. The problem is that they didn't seem to understand how important uptime on the Chademo chargers was. I had to flatbed my Leaf because the Chademo had been down for three days and no one was fixing it. I think it took 2 weeks for that charger to get repaired. Also note there is usually only one Chademo at each dealership. In a supercharger desert with Chademos available it would be nice to have the adapter but I wouldn't plan on using them the way I plan to use Superchargers.�
Oct 30, 2014
PeterK Chicken or Egg?
I've charged overnight (never saw the staff) at one Nissan dealer in Gorham, NH. I spoke with the Service Dept. a week beforehand who were happy to have me charge, and let me know it was accessible 24/7. Late in the day I arrived I called ahead just to be sure. Service Dept. was closed so I got the Sales Manager. Neither he nor any of the remaining staff were even aware they had a charger. He explained they didn't have much demand for Leafs, though in his case I'm not surprised because though the situation has improved slightly, in June 2013 there was next to no charging infrastructure North of Concord, NH.�
Nov 1, 2014
tbleakne In SoCal the same switch to card access pay has occurred at most Nissan dealer CHAdeMOs. Some are Chargepoint, but many are EVgo (NRG). A friend of mine was charged about $20 to put 18 kWh in his LEAF at a Nissan dealer in Van Nuys, CA. Plugshare now shows 50 or 60 CHAdeMO in the greater LA-OC area, but I hear many reports that at any one time perhaps 20% or more are inoperative. Sometimes they overheat, other times people hit the big red emergency stop button rather than the blue stop button. Many of the new stations installed by NRG are not at Nissan dealerships, so they are not constrained by business hours, but that does not help if they are not working.
I agree that it would be quite risky to depend upon getting a charge at any single CHAdeMO location outside of town without backup choices. If it is at a Nissan dealer, you can call ahead, but be sure you are talking to someone who knows the difference between CHAdeMO and J1772.�
Nov 2, 2014
ChrisC In some cases, the dealership is waging battle with Nissan Inc. over who should pay for the repair. Remember that they are franchises, not a direct part of Nissan Inc. We had a Nissan dealership here in Atlanta who let his Chademo stay broken for two months during one of these fights. We've also seen the dealers neglecting the DCFC stations by not bothering to clean the air filters, even when it's pointed out to them that they are clogged.
This is especially true for the 2013 Chademo units that were ruled out by Nissan, where they gave it to the dealer for free. The dealers are simply not incentivized to care that much.
This may change soon, now that NRG is rolling out upgrades (at least in our market) that cost money to use, and perhaps the dealership is getting a cut of it.�
Nov 2, 2014
RiverBrick I wonder if NADA thinks this benefits customers.
On another note, A friendly Nissan dealership in Kansas City bailed me out by letting me charge my Model S overnight when my hotel's station was out-of-order. I offered to pay, but they refused to take any money.�
Dec 5, 2014
medved Is it possible to use Japanese CHAdeMO adapter in Europe?�
Dec 5, 2014
breser No. Japan uses the proprietary connector on the car like the US. Europe uses Mennekes Type 2 connectors on the car.�
Dec 5, 2014
medved OK, thanks. I thought Tesla uses Type 2 everywhere except for the US and Canada.�
Dec 5, 2014
cynix All the 100-110V countries use the proprietary connector, and all the 220-240V countries use Type 2.�
Dec 5, 2014
markb1 I guess would depend on how you define these terms. It could be said the US is a 240V country, because that is what most residences are supplied with. I think use of the Type 2 connector has more to do with phases. In the US, residences almost always have single-phase electricity. In other places, three-phase is more common.�
Dec 5, 2014
medved I see, that makes sense. But I thought that only the US and Canada have 100-110V. :smile:
Then the US Model S owners could find someone in Japan to buy them the adapter there and ship it to the US, right?�
Dec 5, 2014
cynix I believe Tesla Japan is not selling extra adapters, and I don't think any Japanese owners would want to sell the one that came with their car.�
Dec 5, 2014
cynix Hmm I had no idea that US residences are supplied with 240V. I assumed everything is 110V since that's what all the household appliances use.�
Dec 5, 2014
markb1 Yep. Typical US households have 240 split-phase wiring. There is 240V measured between the two hot wires, and 120V measured between neutral and either hot. Most household outlets are 120V, but some (such as for an electric oven or dryer) are 240V. And we (US Telsa owners) mostly charge at 240V at home, either through a NEMA 14-50 outlet or an HPWC.�
Dec 6, 2014
matbl If you reason that way, the european countries that have 230V between neutral and hot should be called 400V countries because that's what we have between phases. Ohh and we have 3 phases into the house normally which means I can max out a single MS charger with only 16A of current.
Well except for Norway which have a weird electrical system...�
Dec 6, 2014
dsmith2189 When I was in Bahrain some neighborhoods used US style 110V outlets and some used 220V with UK outlets. just throwing that out there...
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Dec 6, 2014
markb1 I said earlier that I think the classification of single-phase and three-phase makes more sense than voltage. I believe that Tesla used the Type 2 connector to accommodate three phases. Of course, the grid is three-phase everywhere, so in hindsight, maybe Tesla should have used the Type 2 connector everywhere.
By the way, your measurement is different than my measurement. I'm measuring one phase (because that's all I have). You're measuring between phases.�
Dec 8, 2014
Blathering1 So, for anyone subscribed to this thread, purportedly the CHAdeMO adapter will be available starting in January.
Has anyone been able to secure an order?�
Dec 8, 2014
liuping I've been on the wait list since October 2013, so I should be fairly high on the list. I have not received and email saying I can order yet.
I assume they will send a private link to people on the waitlist first, as they have done in the past for wait listed items. When that happens, there will be plenty of post saying they place the order.�
Dec 8, 2014
slyastro During the opening of the Montreal Tesla Store / Service Center (the biggest in North America!) the availability of the CHAdeMO adaptor was THE question: WHEN???
Since Jerome Guillen was there, I directly asked him. I took the time to explain him that the �available soon� is posted since 18 months!! Especially that I spotted hundreds of CHAdeMO adaptors boxes during my Fremont visit in October!
He responded that it will be officially commercialized in North America in January 2015 FOR SURE! He even authorized me to cite him.
I made an official article here (french):
http://roulezelectrique.com/exclusif...-janvier-2015/�
Dec 8, 2014
Matias Now we can calibrate, that "soon" in Tesla-time is 19 months�
Dec 9, 2014
Cottonwood If you use the theory that Tesla time is based on the Martian Year, then that is only 19*365/687 or 10 Martian Months...�
Dec 9, 2014
tom66 I'm pretty sure Tesla time is decided by the alpha particle decay of a small sample of U-238.�
Dec 9, 2014
RDoc That and a cat.�
Dec 9, 2014
dhrivnak Schroeder ' s cat that is�
Dec 19, 2014
Mark Petersen Nope The do't know whos cat it is until it is released�
Dec 19, 2014
AmpedRealtor You mean Schr�dinger's cat?�
Dec 19, 2014
dhrivnak Yes I do believe so. The one related to particle physics.�
Dec 19, 2014
ecarfan Quantum mechanics, actually. See http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger's_cat�
Dec 19, 2014
RDoc That and calibrating "Tesla Time". Think of it as Lorentz time dilation meets Heisenberg uncertainty, but with purring.�
Jan 16, 2015
Robert.Boston Jerome reiterated his promise to get the CHAdeMO adapter on sale this month (January 2015) at NAIAS. Given that the month is half-over, this presumably means it's really happening. Maybe?
Teslas Jerome Guillen Promises January Arrival Of Model S CHAdeMO Adapter�
Jan 17, 2015
tbleakne KIA CHAdeMO power level
I have seen a 100 kW Kia DC station charging a LEAF at a Kia dealership in Cerritos, CA. It is dual hose, one hose CHAdeMO, the other SAE. Each hose is 50 kW max, not 100 kW, but they can both be powered at once, so maximum power that can be supplied is 100 kW. The units are from ABB, look very sturdy, and apparently have plenty of charger cooling to handle a full 100 kW. Since most of the time only one hose will be in use, these units should not overheat, unlike the Nissan units made by Sumitomo. The LEAF draws 44 kW for only a few minutes at the bottom of its charge. A Tesla might want to draw maximum power for 40 minutes or more, so a Sumitomo would very likely overheat.
I should think the adapter will have no trouble with 50 kW. I have also seen Plugshare reports of Nissan dealers in Santa Fe NM and eastern CO with ABB CHAdeMO, but they were using a ABB model rated only 20 kW. If in a given town you have a choice of Nissan or Kia CHAdeMO, go for the Kia.�
Jan 17, 2015
ScepticMatt The chargers in Yggdrasill's picture are not built by ABB.
They are Marubeni HB100K-DUAL and do support 100 kW charging. (500V, 200A)
The Kia soul can in fact charge faster than 50 kW using one of those.
PRODUCTS - signet | evcharger.biz�
Jan 18, 2015
Mayhemm I love how the mainstream OEMs conveniently ignore Tesla when they're trying to pump up their (non)achievements. There are over 100 Superchargers in Europe capable of 135kW total power (or 35% more than Kia boasts here).�
Jan 18, 2015
Rheazombi Yeah seriously, that press release was kinda awkward to read.
�These are the first chargers in the region to offer so much power"
Uhhh...
At least they're trying tho...�
Jan 18, 2015
GSP To answer a question from a few pages back, Tesla has stated that their CHAdeMO adapter is rated for 100 kW use. I believe this is the maximum power supported by the CHAdeMO standard.
There may not be any 100 kW ChadeMo chargers in the field yet, but Tesla's cars and adapters are ready!
GSP�
Jan 20, 2015
PaulM That's interesting, they build them similar to how the Tesla SCs are built. The 100kW unit contains five 20kW modules.�
Jan 20, 2015
dpeilow Are the Nissan chargers in the US made by Sumitomo or DBT under license (as European ones are)?
ABB (or more to the point Epyon, the company they bought) were using the multiple brick architecture before Tesla even announced the supercharger. It's good common sense engineering.�
Jan 25, 2015
tbleakne One difference is that the Tesla 10 kW units are single-phase, wired in sets of 3 in 3-phase Y configuration, 277V phase to neutral, and I believe everyone else's modules are 3-phase. When I saw an Eaton 50 kW CHAdeMO being worked on several years ago, I could see the 3-phase structure (sets of 3 coils) in each 10 kW drawer. The Tesla design is more compact and simpler inside, and the production volume is high, keeping the price low.�
Jan 25, 2015
Mark Petersen Except that the module Tesla uses in Europa is 3 phase
Forcing Tesla to have 2 diffrent modules
The could just use the EU version is the US at is support both 1 phase and 3 phase charging�
Jan 26, 2015
Mario Kadastik I've received word, that the EU adapter should start shipping this quarter. That info came from Tesla. Initially the backorders will be filled as the availability will initially be limited. Not sure if that means people who ordered the adapter a long time ago (like me, in 2013) or those who ordered with the car and payd for it already. There are a number of those in Estonia that I know of for sure. We'll see as January ends this week so Jerome's promise of US adaptor in Jan is a good test of Tesla time, then we can calibrate this Q1 info too�
Jan 26, 2015
FlasherZ For Superchargers, they're both "3 phase" in that 3 phase power is required to be delivered to the vehicle. Whether US or Europe, DC power is delivered to the vehicle, so the difference between the cars' chargers doesn't make a difference.
While I haven't been reading threads here as deeply as I used to, as of 3 months ago, the methods that were used by Tesla to generate DC in the US Superchargers (individual 10 kW chargers using 277V L-N, balanced across phases on 480VAC L-L 3-phase service) are the same methods that Tesla uses internally to the car in Europe (3 individual "sub-chargers" that use 230V L-N, balanced across phases on 400VAC L-L 3-phase service). There's no reason to suspect that Tesla does anything differently, unless there are some places it cannot get a wye based 3-phase service. In that case, I'd like to understand it a bit better. There's no reason the same Supercharger cabinets can't be used in Europe vs. the US (although European cabinets will need more of the chargers because L-N is 230VAC vs. 277VAC). In both cases, 15 chargers in the cabinet (5 each phase) is sufficient to produce 135 kW (230V * 40A * 15 chargers = 138 kW Europe, vs. 277V * 40A * 15 chargers = 166 kW US).�
Jan 26, 2015
arg There's an informative spec sheet visible as part of a planning application for a supercharger site in the UK:
http://pa.midkent.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=NALJNRTY0VS00
The 5th document ("Tesla Supercharger Specification") shows each cabinet delivering 120kW DC out if supplied with 400V AC (230V phase-neutral), 145kW if supplied at 480V (277V), 115kW if supplied at 380V (220V).
The input for all options is specified at 192A per phase, so this looks very much like 12 of the chargers used in European-spec cars.
My understanding was that the cabinets have always had 12 modules in them.
Possibly they are indeed using the same Superchargers now in North America too - but using the European modules since they have a higher power rating than the original ones (hence the 2nd gen sites in the USA with higher power per cabinet).�
Jan 27, 2015
Chris TX Has anyone else noticed the copy on the product page has changed to no longer say that Supercharging is required for the CHAdeMO adapter to work? This could be great news for the MS60s that haven't paid for it yet, but would happily tool around with a CHAdeMO adapter for when they wanted it? I think allowing them the use of the adapter without forcing them to activate Supercharging is very cool.
Now if they'd just release the damn thing!�
Jan 27, 2015
miimura 
I just captured that from shop.teslamotors.com on 27 January 2015. No substantive change that I can see.�
Jan 27, 2015
Chris TX It used to say Supercharging was required in order to use CHAdeMO. Looking at the change log, they removed it at the end of October last year:
https://www.changedetection.com/log/teslamotors/shop/chademo-adapter_log.html�
Jan 27, 2015
David99 Frankly that is the way it should be. Supercharging is a Tesla service that is prepayed. Using a CHADeMo station has nothing to do with Tesla.�
Jan 28, 2015
markb1 They just say the same thing differently now:
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Jan 28, 2015
ItsNotAboutTheMoney Strictly speaking that doesn't say you'll have to pay for Supercharger enabling, just that hardware needs to be activated.�
Jan 28, 2015
mgboyes You will still have to pay. The fee just won't be as large as the supercharger activation fee. There was briefly pricing shown in the accessories store for this I believe.�
Jan 28, 2015
Chris TX The end of January quickly approaches. I wonder when they will let us buy them. I agree that the Supercharger activation needs to be paid for, to allow access. However, the same charger bypass action that the car does for Supercharging is used for CHAdeMO charging. I think the firmware update to allow CHAdeMO charging on S60s without Supercharging should be included in the cost of the adapter. It's odd they would need a visit to a Service Center, though. I've seen a S60 owner activate Supercharging over the phone.
As for the extra fees if your car isn't Supercharger enabled, the total price was the adapter (then $1000) plus activating Supercharging. That's a hefty price for S60 owners just to use CHAdeMO. See the changelog link I put earlier.�
Jan 28, 2015
RiverBrick There also may be a few 40s out there that would like to have CHAdeMO access without upgrading to 60 AND purchasing SC access.�
Jan 28, 2015
markb1 Well, I think it's implied that you'll have to to pay for activation. Otherwise there's no reason to mention it. And they were always vague about whether you could pay to only activate CHAdeMO, or you had to pay for supercharger activation, as well.�
Jan 28, 2015
JST
There's a difference between having to pay for CHAdeMO activation and having to pay the same price as Supercharger activation. I think the new language suggests--especially in contrast to the old language--that the activation charge for CHAdeMO will be less than the amount you pay for Supercharging.�
Jan 28, 2015
markb1 They used to break it down as follows:
Adapter: $1000
Adapter + Activation (before delivery): $2,400
Adapter + Activation (after delivery): $2,900
Considering supercharger activation is $2000/$2500, I think it was implied that this "activation" was not full supercharger activation. (There was much debate about that, though.) So I think the only thing that has changed since then is the pricing.�
Jan 28, 2015
NigelM Can the car differentiate between Superchargers and ChAdeMO?�
Jan 28, 2015
matbl Since it all comes down to software, I don't see why not.�
Jan 28, 2015
EdA The charger and the car communicate and the charger (or adapter) says "hey, I've got DC, disable your on-board chargers".
Not sure if the signaling which goes on says "get some tea" (see: CHAdeMO - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for an explanation) or "go for a pee"
(supercharge).�
Jan 28, 2015
slyastro I just asked J�r�me a follow up on the CHAdeMO adaptor. This time, he is more �vague� about the January timeline!
�Thank you for your multiple messages. We are working as fast as possible to make as many CHAdeMO as possible.
Thanks again
Jerome Guillen I VP, WW sales and service��
Jan 28, 2015
NigelM I have my doubts as the software says you can accept DC charging or not; it can't differentiate between plugs AFAIK.�
Jan 28, 2015
Vger Seem like he means that they are in production. Maybe they are just trying to get enough in stock so as not to immediately sell out!�
Jan 28, 2015
Danal
- J1772 is extremely simple. Just a series of voltages with resistor dividers in time-sequenced steps to "handshake" the charging, and then a PWM (Pulse Width Modulation) duty cycle to communicate available amperage.
- CHAdeMO is a whole different animal. CHAdeMO charging requires full CAN bus communication with the EV. The charger and the EV exchange literally millions of packets during the charge.
- We don't know what Tesla UMC/Wall Connectors, nor Superchargers, do to communicate with the car (do we?).
Even not knowing exactly what the SC does, it is very easy to propose the car software could easily tell the difference. All Tesla would have to do is include even one flag in one packet that CHAdeMO does not. Or send an entire packet that CHAdeMo does not. Or lots of other similar things. In short, during CHAdeMO charging, you have two computers talking to each other... and that conversation is very likely quite different from a Supercharger<>Car conversation.�
Jan 28, 2015
JST Right--and there is the adapter, too, which could send its own handshake to the car that a) still enables DC, but b) is different in some meaningful way from the signal that the supercharger sends.�
Jan 28, 2015
markb1 I'm not sure what part of the software you are talking about. But if it's just software, that's not much of an obstacle.�
Jan 28, 2015
schonelucht Yes it can. There is private CAN bus signalling over the supercharger pilot link so the car could potentially know it's talking to a supercharger or a normal DC source.�
Jan 28, 2015
skn CHAdeMO adapters delivering
I jut got delivered the CHAdeMO adapter for my S, ordered a bit more than a year ago. The question now is - is it still useful?
Edit: More pics added to OP.
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Jan 29, 2015
Highkick When ordering my Model S, I did not opt for the dual chargers, as back then I expected the CHAdeMO adapter would be more useful. I'm doubting that now, though I do not really regret, not having dual chargers, as I have never needed them up till now. Still I am curious for an answer on this question...�
Jan 29, 2015
PaulW5 Funny in the Shop it is not visible any more....
http://shop.eu.teslamotors.com
I will buy one, just to give me more flexibility in driving in none-SuC area's�
Jan 29, 2015
skn I have dual-charger and now CHAdeMO�
Jan 29, 2015
widodh A bit more information please! Did you get it by mail, or how? Was there any notification from Tesla around it?�
Jan 29, 2015
skn Got a call from TS yesterday that the adapter is available and will someone be at home to collect if delivered? In a couple of hours, it was hand-delivered by someone from Tesla (wearing a Tesla-branded jacket anyway). Haven't had the time to open and check etc.�
Jan 29, 2015
widodh What are you still doing here on the forum? Go to the nearest CHAdeMO station and check it out
We (or at least I) am anxious to see how it works!�
Jan 29, 2015
Rrreutel So... you're not a beta tester and have forgotten about it during the long wait, right? :smile: (if you are not a beta tester, you are allowed to state so here, otherwise you'll have to answer creatively ;-)�
Jan 29, 2015
widodh A dutch Model S owner just reported having the CHAdeMO adapter delivered to his house in Amsterdam by someone from Tesla: CHAdeMO adapters delivering�
Jan 29, 2015
PaulW5 +1 ;-)�
Jan 29, 2015
mgboyes Yes we do. Superchargers use CAN signaling on the pilot pin, and the syntax is pretty similar to CHAdeMO. But there's a whole authentication flow with the SC (the car's VIN is signaled to the supercharger before charging begins) which would not exist with CHAdeMO.
The car knows exactly what it's plugged into, and whether or not to allow charging based on what options the car owner has or has not paid for.�
Jan 29, 2015
T.blomer + 1�
Jan 29, 2015
Gerardf
CAn you upload a picture ?
Is it a European Tesla <-> CHAdeMo adapter ? (Not the US Teslas-side connector)�
Jan 29, 2015
T.blomer Skn's location in its profile is Amsterdam, so it should be the European version?�
Jan 29, 2015
Gerardf Yes, I fully agree it should be.. But I have not seen references to a European CHadeMO adapters yet (on the other hand, maybe I missed some posts on the forum�
Jan 29, 2015
iffatall -- Sorry, misunderstood a previous post --�
Jan 29, 2015
dpeilow I thought superchargers used PLC signaling like the CCS standard. It was previously said Model S just needed a dumb CCS adapter as opposed to CHAdeMO needing an active adapter.�
Jan 29, 2015
ItsNotAboutTheMoney As I understand it the Supercharger starts as CCS does, but then does additional communication, which is why adapting to CCS should be easy.�
Jan 29, 2015
dpeilow Yes that was my understanding.
CAN bus has 4 lines. Plus CHAdeMO has additional analogue interlocks.
Does beg the question as to why Tesla hadn't released a CCS adapter already.�
Jan 29, 2015
AnalysiZ Smokescreen????�
Jan 29, 2015
tga
Also, the UMC/HPWC is just ordinary J1772 signaling. The only difference it Tesla's use of a proprietary physical connector format. There is no electronics in the J1772 adapter; it's just a dumb physical adapter.�
Jan 29, 2015
skn The proof of the pudding is in the eating! De uitkomst zal het leren.
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Jan 29, 2015
pvh mhh, is maar 32kW....... Mogelijk ivm reeds redelijk opgeladen accu?�
Jan 29, 2015
skn Oh yes.. I was already at 257 km (hence the +21km) and had been driving for a bit (warm battery?) and I did not stay for too long as I did not need the charge and there were Taxi drivers waiting for me to finish.
One of these days I hope I can draw the promised 135 kW
I just wanted to check if actually worked :biggrin:�
Jan 29, 2015
pvh CHAdeMO adapters delivering
En toch zou je als de CHAdeMO lader en 50Kw versie is, 42kW moeten kunnen halen met de Tesla, en ook op 278km. Ik heb in Zevenaar bij 349 km (90%) geladen aan 34kW
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Jan 29, 2015
skn I don't remember signing up for beta testing :redface: You had me worried for a while!�
Jan 29, 2015
Matias Great news! Could you please post some pictures of it!�
Jan 29, 2015
Panu Is this Dutch guy the only person in the world who has received a CHAdeMO adapter?
CHAdeMO adapters delivering - Page 2
Funny thing is that CHAdeMO adapter is not even listed in EU shop:
Shop Tesla Gear Model S�
Jan 29, 2015
skn 
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Jan 29, 2015
skn Oh my.. There must be something wrong! Did they mistake me for someone else? And I am not even Dutch
Edit: Just called Tesla and was informed that I am one of the few who has received it so far, but they are rolling it out for sure.�
Jan 29, 2015
Matias That was quick! :biggrin:�
Jan 29, 2015
Panu Great! Wonder when we can order one too (not listed in the EU shop).�
Jan 29, 2015
Panu Good, any comment about the EU shop?�
Jan 29, 2015
skn Did not ask but if I were you I would call up and ask�
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