Oct 13, 2015
timf The 21" wheels shown at the event appear to have been swapped out for normal 22" wheels since then. Reference the following two photos:
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Oct 13, 2015
Merrill So this begs the question did any of the cars we saw at the reveal have 20 or 22's, or did they all have 21's.�
Oct 13, 2015
andrewket I'm going to be looking at 19's or 20's. I'm not going through another 4 tires in 18 months like I did with my first S. I really hope Tesla offers smaller wheel sizes as a factory option.�
Oct 13, 2015
AnOutsider Or he chose his own wheels since he does R&D on his own car. It's not like my sticker changed when I swapped wheels on my car.�
Oct 13, 2015
goneskiian Not in dark gray they didn't.
From what it looked like to me, they all did. Except Elon's black on black combo. This is just based on looks from afar though. Just looking at the dark wheels on Elon's X, they looked to be a smaller diameter. Could this have been an optical illusion? Sure. I doubt it though. Look at the videos from the press test drives ealier in the day and you can see the difference too.
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Thanks for that. I hadn't seen the second picture. It sure looks like they did. Unless that's another black X and not really Elon's. Easier explanation is swapped wheels though. ;-)
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There's more discussion of Elon's 21" X wheels and ultra high performance tires here...
For those of you buying sigs a model might be coming later...�
Oct 14, 2015
ev-enthusiast TEG, do you remember how many Model S Founders series vehicles have been build in advance to the Model S Signature series vehicles?
Might be we see a comparable set of Model X Founders series vehicles build in advance of Model X Signature series vehicles.
Thank's in advance!�
Oct 14, 2015
Longhorn92 I think I remember a number like 17 for the Model Ses.�
Oct 14, 2015
ev-enthusiast So is my assumption correct that we do have to wait for the delivery of these Model X Founders series vehicles in advance of the Signature series vehicles?�
Oct 14, 2015
Longhorn92 Yes, I believe that is correct: Founders, Sigs, then General Production�
Oct 14, 2015
aznt1217 Yes it is correct. It's a manufacturing tuning process too. Because these cars are fully loaded it's far simpler for Tesla to produce logistically by keeping minimal customization. It also serves as a test run for all the options for the car for fine tuning for "not as fully featured" Sigs, and then General production.�
Oct 14, 2015
Gzrgmr The Titanium Founder car at the event had 20 inch rims.�
Oct 14, 2015
ev-enthusiast And there might be even some test drive vehicles included in the current production batch.
I heard that next month there should be e.g. one Model X available at the Santana Row store.�
Oct 14, 2015
Cattledog 27.�
Oct 14, 2015
TEG Thanks for responding. I know about Roadster Founders' cars, but not Model S...�
Oct 15, 2015
gimp_dad This is not correct. I've been told the actual number was 42, not 27. I own a Model S Founders series that is higher than 27.�
Oct 15, 2015
TheAccuser Can we assume a "fully loaded" Founders Model X includes Ludicrous mode?�
Oct 15, 2015
andrewket All the founder's cars at the reveal were L. I would assume fully loaded includes L.�
Oct 15, 2015
TheAccuser I hope so. I just hit my 10th Model S referral.
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Oct 16, 2015
JEU And what do they mean by "base price Model X", P90D or 90D +5k?�
Oct 16, 2015
TheAccuser I fully expect to pay the absolute base price of the 90D and get a fully loaded Founders P90D. Although the price difference is more than the $25K appx discount they mention on the referral page.�
Nov 25, 2015
JEU So, only two wheel options?�
Nov 25, 2015
AnOutsider Are there any physical badges? Or just the ones on the screens?�
Nov 25, 2015
JEU Both, my DS told me there was on the back and on the side blinkers. Guess its the same as signature.�
Nov 26, 2015
fiksegts badges don't make a car exclusive.... I guess the signature red color option is the only difference, would be cool if they had a 'foudners' color as well...�
Nov 26, 2015
dadaleus Is there a disadvantage to the tow hitch? I figured the only reason not to do it was cost, but we get it for free.�
Nov 26, 2015
Marcus Adolfsson I have been trying to find a picture of what it looks like when the hitch is removed. I found a picture of the cover for the accessory hitch, but not sure if the 2" hitch cover looks the same.�
Nov 26, 2015
g-force anybody else unable to configure or am I the only being told tomorrow day after day? I only had 11
referrals maybe they are taking highest number of referrals first?�
Nov 26, 2015
AnOutsider ah right, the S had stenciling on the back accent plate and the side markers. I was thinking more like P90D type badging.�
Nov 26, 2015
Marcus Adolfsson They have not replaced my Signature configuration with the Founders one yet.�
Nov 26, 2015
andrewket At the moment my config includes the tow hitch because the receiver is removable. It does not appear the accessory hitch is removable. I'd prefer to not see it when not in use.
Where did you see a reference or picture to a cover for the accessory hitch?�
Nov 26, 2015
Marcus Adolfsson In this thread. Picture of accessory hitch 1.25 - Page 2�
Nov 26, 2015
andrewket Thanks for the link. I missed that thread. The fact that there is a cover for the accessory hitch puts it back into consideration. But since the tow package is a no additional cost item on the founder's series I'm still leaning that way. If I was buying a production car I'd get the accessory hitch.�
Nov 26, 2015
goneskiian Oh yeah, forgot to add the "F" in the vin too. ;-)�
Nov 27, 2015
ev-enthusiast Founders #13 found a new home yesterday (twitter, with pics).
Chamath Palihapitiya enjoy!�
Nov 27, 2015
Uncgolf g-force, I am still waiting as well to configure. I had 11 referrals too.�
Nov 27, 2015
Bifff67 I too got call Wed with suggestion I might be able to configure later that day. Nothing. Nothing today. Very painful. Anybody know how many "Referral Founders" there are?�
Nov 27, 2015
bonnie I am able to configure - but as part of that, they transferred a general production $5k deposit over to the Founders. Is it possible they might still need to talk to you re: deposit? Or have you done the same?�
Nov 27, 2015
Marcus Adolfsson Bonnie does your My Tesla show the proper Founders Edition pricing etc? First they enabled configuration of my production reservation (in the 13k range), then deleted that order and added a Signature configuration, and then finally called on Wednesday and said they were going to cancel the Signature order and add a Founder configurator (still waiting).�
Nov 27, 2015
bonnie I was told to just ignore the pricing. But it does show as a Founders on my configurator. I don't expect to see the pricing sheets redone just for a nominal amount of reservations.
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Nov 27, 2015
Marcus Adolfsson Thanks! Neither did I but my sales rep implied earlier in the week that pricing would be updated. I just double checked and while it shows as a Signature model on the dashboard, once you click into the configuration it shows as Founders (same as yours). I am sure the MVP will be correct.
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Nov 27, 2015
andrewket Ignore the pricing. Tesla is going to override it to make it 115.5k no matter what you pick.
On your main my tesla screen it will show "signature series", but when you enter the design took it should show "founder".
It took 3 tries to get it right.�
Nov 27, 2015
andrewket Ah, Marcus beat me to it. I see you're getting white. Me too. We're going pearl white/tan. Is yours solid white or pearl? How about the rest of you?
We debated between blue/white vs pearl white/tan.�
Nov 27, 2015
Marcus Adolfsson Pearl White, White interior for. Got until Tuesday to lock-in.�
Nov 27, 2015
andrewket You used to be able to hit a confirm button to accelerate the process, but I don't see that option on the X.�
Nov 28, 2015
g-force re: deposit....they rook 5 k deposit from me week ago gave rn number
then I'm on hold . people that make the switch over to
founders didn't work yesterday so hoping for Monday.�
Nov 30, 2015
g-force still cant configure but now on my tesla there is a red signature x with my rn number
getting closer I guess?�
Nov 30, 2015
Bifff67 Just got my order in too, Sig red, black seats with white head liner. Ash wood. 20", added all else including tow. Can't make the 72 amp show up but just rolling with it to get it into the line.�
Nov 30, 2015
goneskiian Sigs get the 72amp charger anyway so you should be good. The charger easter egg is for us regular production folk. ;-)�
Nov 30, 2015
Bifff67 Very nice! Thank you!�
Nov 30, 2015
goneskiian You're welcome!�
Dec 1, 2015
JEU Please share your Founders config
I'm thinking about Signature red, 6 seats, all options, black seats, light ceiling and carbon trim. 22" rims, want them dark..�
Dec 1, 2015
Marcus Adolfsson The "Confirm Now" button showed up on My Tesla today (one day in advance of the auto-confirm).
Model X P90D
Pearl White Multi-Coat Paint
22" Silver Wheels
Ultra White Seats
Carbon Fiber D�cor
Black Alcantara Headliner
Ludicrous Speed Upgrade
Autopilot Convenience Features
Premium Interior and Lighting S
mart Air Suspension
Ultra High Fidelity Sound
Subzero Weather Package
Tow Package�
Dec 1, 2015
andrewket Same here.
Model X P90D
Pearl White Multi-Coat Paint
20" Silver Wheels
Tan Leather Seats
Dark Ash Trim
Black Alcantara Headliner
Six Seat Config
Ludicrous Speed Upgrade
Autopilot Convenience Features
Premium Interior and Lighting S
Smart Air Suspension
Ultra High Fidelity Sound
Subzero Weather Package
Tow Package�
Dec 1, 2015
Bifff67 And I too just confirmed. Wonder why they went away from the one week cooling off period?
Model X P90D
Sig Red Multi-Coat Paint
20" Silver Wheels
Black Leather Seats
Figured Ash Trim
White Alcantara Headliner
Seven Seat Config
Ludicrous Speed Upgrade
Autopilot Convenience Features
Premium Interior and Lighting S
Smart Air Suspension
Ultra High Fidelity Sound
Subzero Weather Package
Tow Package
Anybody looking for such a beast lightly used in 3-4 months?�
Dec 1, 2015
andrewket And I have a VIN!
... On my wife's Lexus that will be replaced by the X�
Dec 1, 2015
Marcus Adolfsson Funny guy. I guess I should ask Tesla for a trade-in quote on my wife's X5M, to compare their offer vs Carmax etc after taking the sales tax credit into account.�
Dec 2, 2015
andrewket FWIW, I spoke to Tesla a bit ago. After your order is confirmed they will be manually editing the MVPA to reflect the fixed price. I inquired about delivery timing, and was told to expect January. Previously the guidance had been possibly end of December, or early January. So a small, albeit not surprising at all, change.�
Dec 2, 2015
ptsagcy I also got the "Confirm Now" button today, 5 days in advance of my 12/7 final date.�
Dec 3, 2015
dadaleus All: Be sure to check the configuration on your confirmation email carefully. We wanted 7 seats and our confirmation email showed that we were getting 6, even though that had never been an option in the Founders design studio.�
Dec 4, 2015
Uncgolf My confirmation did not mention the number of seats, although their was a pic that showed 7 seats. ( Where did it mention the number of seats in your email? )
Your Model X
Model X P90D
All-Wheel Drive
Signature Red Multi-Coat Paint
22" Silver Wheels
Black Leather Seats
Figured Ash Wood D�cor
White Alcantara Headliner
Ludicrous Speed Upgrade
Tesla Red Brake Calipers
Autopilot Convenience Features
Premium Interior and Lighting
Smart Air Suspension
Ultra High Fidelity Sound
Subzero Weather Package
Tow Package�
Dec 4, 2015
dadaleus I believe if it doesn't say, and the pic shows 7, you have 7. Our's said 6 and showed 6 until our rep changed it for us. Now it shows what you show.�
Dec 7, 2015
Uncgolf Do most people have a VIN# now? (for those that "won" a Founders MX) I do not yet.�
Dec 7, 2015
andrewket Mine says 6, showed 6, and that's what I wanted. Still no VIN, or paperwork showing the actual price.�
Dec 7, 2015
TheAccuser No VIN here yet. Just shows confirmed.�
Dec 7, 2015
andrewket Spoke to Tesla today. No news. Sleep(604800);�
Dec 7, 2015
AnOutsider haha had to ask cortana to divide by 86,400�
Dec 8, 2015
g-force I don't have VIN yet. Hope we get delivery in Jan?�
Dec 8, 2015
andrewket At this rate, from a timing perspective, the founder's isn't going to reduce my delivery time compared to my early production sequence. Well, that may not be true. We would have likely gone for a 90D instead of the P. So never mind.�
Dec 8, 2015
Bifff67 Got confirm button 12/2. No VIN, No gone into factory, no sleep, nothin!�
Dec 9, 2015
Reeler Spoke with my delivery specialists and he says "Founder by Referral" (FbR) Model Xes will be delivered after all Signatures and right before general production. I don't have a VIN and don't think and FbR Xes will get one for quite some time. I asked him to guess when that might be and he said Q12016 FWIW.
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You know the white seats are not leather. Pleather. My wife loved the color, but not downgrading to pleather.�
Dec 9, 2015
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That would be the fair and amicable thing to do. One could make an argument that they should be interspersed with general production based on sequence number, but if they are building 100/wk at that point, it wouldn't much matter. Hope it's true!�
Dec 9, 2015
andrewket I agree, delivery after the sigs in each region is fair. It would just be nice - the usual complaint - if tesla would be consistent with the messaging. I was originally told end of Dec was possible, otherwise early Jan. I sincerely doubt all sigs will be delivered by the end of Dec, or early Jan. It would be great to be wrong.�
Dec 9, 2015
bonnie Since (imo) it's nicer than leather, I don't see it as a downgrade. It's like a really fine lambskin, but easier to clean. "Pleather", on the other hand, is that hard plasticky stuff. THAT would be unacceptable.
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For what it's worth, that's the messaging I've heard from the beginning. But everyone was so excited over the few that heard differently, it kind of got lost in the noise.
I have't even configured yet. We have six months to configure (if you haven't already). I'm going to thoroughly check out Sig 2 and then confirm Founders after that.
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I'm sure they want to finish up Founders along with Sigs - so they can shut down the Sig Red paint and focus on production.�
Dec 9, 2015
aija SigX 649 Valid point. Someone else mentioned here that their DS said that the delivery order will be (1) Founders, (2) Signatures, (3) FbR (Founders by Referral), (4) General Production. Not sure where reservation holders outside of the US would fall on this list however.�
Dec 10, 2015
andrewket Ladies and gents, I have a VIN! I will be welcoming home Founder's #53.�
Dec 10, 2015
dadaleus Well look at that! I'm #58!�
Dec 10, 2015
AnOutsider Awesome guys!�
Dec 10, 2015
Marcus Adolfsson Woohoo #55! I am actually glad they build ours after the 1,000 signatures (if that holds), will let them get a few more under their belts.
10 Model Year G = 2016
12 Build Phase Code F = Founder Series Vehicle
13-17 Serial Number Digits 00055�
Dec 10, 2015
fiksegts 52!�
Dec 10, 2015
bonnie Hah. I haven't even configured yet.�
Dec 10, 2015
goneskiian Sweet! Congrats all!�
Dec 11, 2015
aija SigX 649 Awesome! Congratulations to all FbRs!�
Dec 11, 2015
MrBoylan Ditto! A VIN makes it real.�
Dec 11, 2015
Bifff67 When did they sneak that in?! #63!!�
Dec 11, 2015
Uncgolf #68�
Dec 11, 2015
Reeler Bang!!!!!!!!!!!! 5YJXCAE49GFF00065�
Dec 11, 2015
TheAccuser #62�
Dec 11, 2015
andrewket All the sig owners have had VINs for awhile, correct? Receiving a VIN isn't currently an indicator of imminent production like it is on the S.�
Dec 11, 2015
Uncgolf Whats the best guess of the number of mx sigs they will make?�
Dec 11, 2015
slyastro Wow Thomas!!! I envy you! I can't configure mine until the Canadian pricing is released, and they don't know when it will be.�
Dec 11, 2015
g-force I'm #64�
Dec 12, 2015
g-force So when we will see the MSRP list with options we selected?�
Dec 12, 2015
andrewket There isn't a price list for the founder's edition. The car costs 115.5k, regardless of options. Which is why even though I want the 20's, I thought about ordering 22's and then selling them. But in the end I decided it wasn't worth the hassle, especially since the availability of the 20's as an accessory in January was questionable at best. The 22's come with summer performance tires. Not the best to take delivery with in the middle of winter.�
Dec 12, 2015
aija SigX 649 Are you certain the 22s come standard with summer performance tires on the X? I asked my service center a couple of weeks ago for exact specs and have yet to hear back from them. Taking delivery beginning of winter is a major concern! Please share specs if you have some insights.�
Dec 12, 2015
andrewket I'm looking for a reference, but these are the tires on the 22" founder's cars delivered thus far:
Scorpion™ Zero™ | Summer SUV Tires | Pirelli
It's confusing, because it's tagged as a summer tire but then in the description it says all season. I haven't looked for a tire rack review yet. Going to do that now.
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Dec 12, 2015
aija SigX 649 Thanks for the pic. Hope it's this one: https://www.pirelli.com/tires/en-us/car-light-truck/find-your-tires/product-sheet/scorpion-zero-asimmetrico#/overview
It comes in the correct sizes:
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Dec 12, 2015
andrewket So here is what tirerack says:
Derived from Pirelli's legendary P Zero performance tires, the Scorpion Zero is a Street/Sport Truck All-Season tire for sport utility vehicles and pickup trucks. The Scorpion Zero was designed to provide year round traction and handling for drivers who operate their light truck vehicles primarily on-road in various weather conditions, including very occasional light snow.
Depending on tire size, the Scorpion Zero radial's tread compound is molded into a single Z or double Z (two rows of Z-shaped tread blocks situated side-by-side) intermediate tread blocks to provide responsive steering, along with enhanced cornering and braking capability. Lateral grooves and wide circumferential grooves provide water evacuation to resist hydroplaning and enhance wet weather traction. Pirelli Scorpion Zero tires combine high-speed precision with low noise levels.
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So it appears to be an all-season, with the caveat that it's best for light occasional snow. I don't know what tire the 20's come with, so I can't compare. I had a terrible experience with the 21's on my S, and have been much happier with 19's, so I figured I'd try to learn from that experience and go with the smaller wheel and the larger profile tire on the X. YMMV. In fact it's possible Tesla is using the same tire for both sizes...�
Dec 12, 2015
aija SigX 649 You had me at "All-Season" :biggrin:�
Dec 12, 2015
andrewket Here are the ratings:
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Dec 12, 2015
andrewket Mediocre ratings. The tread wear rating in particular should be concerning given Tesla's known history of wearing tires. Heavy car, tons of torque.�
Dec 12, 2015
andrewket Reviews:
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Dec 12, 2015
aija SigX 649 Hmm, doesn't sound very promising. Wonder if there is any improvement in the asymmetrical version.
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They seem better ..at least in Ride Quality, Noise and Treadwear categories. Let's hope this is what the X will ship with.
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Dec 13, 2015
andrewket Looks like we need a closer up picture than the one I took. I'll look at the pics I took at the unveiling. I'm not sure I thought about the tires that night :/
Also, I'm starting to think we need a new thread. This is applicable to everyone, not just F cars. Do we have a mod here who could split these posts to a new thread ... Subject something along the lines of "Performance of MX OEM tires"?�
Dec 13, 2015
andrewket I looked at the unveiling pics. It looks like all of the X's there had 22's. Come to think of it, I'm not sure I've seen an X with 20's yet.�
Dec 13, 2015
timf The one used to demonstrate towing the Airstream had 20's due to the reduced towing capacity of the 22's.�
Dec 13, 2015
goneskiian As did at least one delivered. I'm thinking of the Titanium one that went to Mark Tebbe, #6 I think.�
Dec 13, 2015
andrewket I wasn't able to grab any pics of those cars (at least none close up). Maybe someone closer to the stage has a pic?�
Dec 13, 2015
MrBoylan Hard to tell since everyone and their brother was holding up their phones in front of me (and blocking the wheels), but yeah, it looks like it could be 20s:
Tesla Model X SUV Pulls Airstream Trailer, Out Pops Family of 7 - YouTube
And a picture:
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Dec 13, 2015
andrewket Those are definitely 20's�
Dec 13, 2015
MrBoylan Not great pics, but yes, I think these are 20s:
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Dec 13, 2015
goneskiian The mules had continental crosssport contacts on the 20's...
OE Tires�
Dec 13, 2015
Nickjhowe Anyone care to hazard a guess why the dark wheels aren't an option for the founders cars. I ** really ** want dark on mine. Wonder if Tesla will let me swap them at delivery time, with zero miles on them?�
Dec 13, 2015
aija SigX 649 From Mark T's Founder's VIN3, the tread pattern appears to be Asimmetrico!
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Dec 14, 2015
g-force anybody getting a referral X have delivery estimate yet?�
Dec 14, 2015
andrewket Originally "possibly late December, otherwise January." That changed to "January". East coast.�
Dec 18, 2015
g-force On my tesla this morning
"car has entered production queue"�
Dec 18, 2015
bonnie Well that's good news.�
Dec 18, 2015
andrewket Funny, I had the same thing show up yesterday - the page looked different. Then when I went back into mytesla, the page I'm familiar with reappeared and it still says "Your Model X order has been confirmed", and that's what it's saying now.�
Dec 18, 2015
ModelX Same happened to me (I'm production).�
Dec 18, 2015
g-force yes mINe IS just back to confirmd now�
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