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What is Tesla's upcoming 'under your nose' announcement? part 1

  • Apr 3, 2013
    yobigd20
    In Betty Liu's interview with Elon after the announcement yesterday, Elon mentions a number of major announcements coming in the next few weeks (at least 3).

    The first announcement he says will be supercharger related , and that "they've made a lot more progress than people realize".

    The second announcement Elon says will be related to "reengineering of tesla's service...and just like we want to have the best car in the world we want to have the best service in the world and that they need to do a few things to get there." He does not mention if this is related to Telsa's customer service, or the service centers, or the new service plans. So I have no clue what this is really in reference to.

    The third Elon says he "won't quite talk about but he thinks is pretty cool except to say that if you're driving a model S it's right under your nose."

    Now that is what I'm really curious about....it's "right under your nose.". This makes me thing there is something behind the nose cone or under your nose in the dash or perhaps new features in the software thats going to be rolling out.

    Thoughts?
  • Apr 3, 2013
    tander
    They are rolling out more superchargers, service?, and probably just wifi connection for under the nose.
  • Apr 3, 2013
    EarlyAdopter
    Please let it be parking sensors... Please let it be parking sensors...

    Probably just finally enabling WiFi.
  • Apr 3, 2013
    jomo25
    I expect it to be the overpriced data, tethering, and WiFi.
  • Apr 3, 2013
    ZestyChicken
    If they announce data plans, I sure hope they give folks who bought the high tech package a full year gratis. I still feel like what we got for that $3,500 was a bit wanting...
  • Apr 3, 2013
    nrcooled
    Or maybe we will finally get access to the hard drive that we already paid for with the tech package... :p
  • Apr 3, 2013
    sandb
    My guess is switching the current voice control to sth like Google Now or Siri. The voice recognition accuracy as of now is not that great IMO.

  • Apr 3, 2013
    jcadman22
    A freebie, or steeply discounted, Drop-In Center Console would look pretty good right under my nose - where I could actually reach my travel mug without contorting my body to reach the cup holders in the arm rest. I would also second the nomination for gratis data plans on the Tech Package.
  • Apr 3, 2013
    Trnsl8r
    :) I wish I thought you were wrong, but yes, I thought the same thing.
  • Apr 3, 2013
    woof
    From a telephone interview with Forbe's Hanna Elliot (HE):
    HE: When is the next announcement?

    EM: The next one will be sometime next week. It could be as soon as Monday, but we haven�t decided on a firm date. Did I mention we�ll be focusing on service? The Monday announcement is going to be focused on service. And in the following week or two after that we�re going to have a big announcement on the supercharger network, and then following that we�re going to have a mystery announcement or two if people aren�t completely sick of hearing about us. Ha ha.
    ?

    Source:
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/hannahelliott/2013/04/03/elon-musk-hitchhiking-the-galaxy-as-tesla-comes-of-age/2/
  • Apr 3, 2013
    jomo25
    Thanks but the OP is asking for speculation on the 'mystery' announcement after the service and supercharg announcements.
  • Apr 3, 2013
    Norbert
    Larger update of the dash display software? ...just a possibility maybe, though the current one actually seems great.
  • Apr 3, 2013
    FlasherZ
    Maybe it's adjustable tint on the windows. :) :) :)
  • Apr 3, 2013
    ZestyChicken
    Doesn't it seem to you that they've just scratched the surface of possibilities?

    Nav
    - actually save old destinations (doesn't currently)
    - allow favorites
    - home button
    - can we get maps off the harddrive? Right now it seems like its all downloading off 3G
    - integrate traffic data when planning routes
    - allow warnings when you are exceeding the speed limit (perhaps throw in a customizable cushion of 5-10 mph)

    Music
    - Access to harddrive
    - Allow for it to remember where you paused a podcast
    - Allow it to play the audio portion of video files mp4s)
    - Pull picture and artist info from mp3 on your thumb drive
    - Add Pandora

    Voice control
    - Add a lot more options

    Internet
    - flash player?
    - allow the storing of cookies
    - when you push your finger and hold it, perhaps magnify the area to make sure you are clicking on the right spot
    - multiple tab support

    General
    - How about different skins? How about an Aero theme?
    - LTE
    - WiFi for faster updates
  • Apr 3, 2013
    ElSupreme
    As much as I was disappointed with the buy-back program I have to admit that Tesla is good at getting free media exposure.
  • Apr 3, 2013
    vetboy45
    I used my infallible logic to determine that Elon's "putting my money where my mouth is" comment meant he was going to eat a portion of his fortune. Using the same brilliant reasoning, I have determined that what is right under my nose when driving is my stomach. Elon knows that driving the model S is so much fun that many will eschew walking in favor of driving and thereby gain weight. In order to mitigate this health effect, he has made a deal with Richard Simmons to become the "voice" of the Model S! Anytime you interface with the model S, a small Richard Simmons will appear, offering encouragement and helpful hints. "I love turning right. Now let's party off the pounds! YEAH!"
  • Apr 3, 2013
    yobigd20
    You know those signs that say "bang head here"? Yeah..well I'm gonna make one that says 'bang flasherz head here". Don't make me hurt you!!! lol
  • Apr 4, 2013
    JRod0802
    You mean "high profit margin" data, tethering, and WiFi :wink:
  • Apr 4, 2013
    yobigd20
  • Apr 4, 2013
    Al Sherman
    My head tells me it's some kind of connectivity package.

    My heart (fantasizing) wants the sub 10k AWD retrofit option on the S.

    Though Elon did say in Europe that he wanted to do something for roadster owners.
  • Apr 26, 2013
    Owner
    No longer a requirement for annual service...
  • Apr 26, 2013
    Stoneymonster
    Battery warranty is all on Telsa: unless you destroy it physically in a crash or maliciously (Elon's example: blowtorch), no other behavior will void it.

    Roadsters available as loaners in some markets. Loaners will be available for sale at discount of 1% per month + some amount per mile (forgot the figure). Elon expects some people to swap their car for a loaner if it's better (just pay the price differential). I think that is a really interesting option.

    My questions: If you don't have to pay for the service plan (or even get inspection) as part of the warranty, what are the advantages of doing so anyway?
  • Apr 26, 2013
    Owner
    Unconditional warranty....

    Would not apply if you take a blow torch to the battery pack. No intentional destruction .... but complete piece of mind.

    Initial batch of loaners is about 100.
  • Apr 26, 2013
    Stoneymonster
    Choice Elon quote: "I've told service: your goal is to NEVER make a profit."
  • Apr 26, 2013
    Curt Renz
    Toward the end of today�s conference call Elon was reluctant to answer a question regarding all-wheel-drive for the Model S. He indicated that was a matter to be discussed in the future. I strongly suspect that AWD is what will be under a Tesla driver�s nose.
  • Apr 26, 2013
    Doug_G
    I dunno. That doesn't sound like something "under my nose".

    My mouth is under my nose... maybe they're introducing some powerful new voice command technology.
  • Apr 26, 2013
    markb1
    I would bet money against AWD being the "under your nose" announcement. It would have to be something that's already in the car.
  • Apr 26, 2013
    gg_got_a_tesla
    Maybe, something that hasn't been under our nose (as, maybe, it should have been) all along?! Free Tesla CCIs for everyone!
  • Apr 27, 2013
    cwerdna
    Why do you say Toyota? The only Toyota w/Tesla bits right now is the Rav4 EV which is only a CA compliance car. IIRC, it's only sold at 55 dealers in CA.
  • Apr 27, 2013
    Silenus136
    Well, I was 100% wrong, not just on the Toyota point. But I should have clarified my (wrong) guess as "Toyota dealers where Rav is sold."
  • Apr 27, 2013
    JRP3
    Not a chance. Whatever it is it's already in the car, since he said if you own a Model S it's right under your nose. Unless you think all the Model S's have an invisible front drive unit already in the car.
  • Apr 27, 2013
    AlMc
    I agree. No AWD 'S' for some time. Their business plan seems clear. Roadster to prove EV can be done with decent range. 'S' to show that not only can an EV have some practical range but can compete with luxury sedans. 'X' to show that you can do AWD and compete with crossover vehicles. Gen III to finally show you can make a more affordable EV. Eventually TS may return what we would all like to see...an option of an AWD 'S' but from a business plan stand point I think they have (or should have) their eye on moving the company forward to reaching out to all market segments.
  • Apr 27, 2013
    brianman
    Darn you, JRP3. Now I want a cloaking device for my hovercraft.
  • Apr 27, 2013
    andrewket
    Nose could mean the driver's nose. It could also mean the nose cone of the car. Hmm.
  • Apr 28, 2013
    ShortSlaver
    I was thinking "under you nose" could mean a significant update to the Model S app. You hold your phone under you nose, after all.
  • Apr 28, 2013
    Lloyd
    I beleive that Tesla will announce an all wheel drive for the Model S with a smaller motor underneath the nose.
  • Apr 28, 2013
    ElSupreme
    The problem with this is the "will make Model S owner's happy" doesn't make any sense. I has to be dealing with existing cars. And the ability to add a new motor, and FWD to my car for $15k isn't something I would care about in the least.
  • Apr 28, 2013
    JRP3
    Lloyd, how does that fit with the statement "If you're a Model S owner it's already under your nose"? Why are people thinking that applies to future products and not the car you already have?
  • Apr 28, 2013
    andrewket
    New voice commands?
  • Apr 28, 2013
    Lloyd
    Hmmmm..... Not sure how this would fit.
  • Apr 28, 2013
    hans
    Firmware update which knocks another half second off the 0-60mph time?
  • Apr 28, 2013
    andrewket
    New steering wheel controls ?
  • Apr 28, 2013
    Doug_G
    You live in GA, where it is of marginal usefulness. It would be very nice to have here, where we have winter.

    FWIW I don't think this announcement has anything to do with AWD.
  • Apr 28, 2013
    adurstewitz
    I did hear from a tech that the Model S was being artificially capped, well below its limits, by software to ensure reliability. I wonder if they're going to ease those restrictions a little.
  • Apr 28, 2013
    Zzzz...
    Interesting. They recently updated MSP 0-60 with 4.2 sec vs old 4.4sec. Did they improved performance through software update because they got more confident in reliability? Or they simply changed the way 0-60 calculated(rollout etc)?
  • Apr 28, 2013
    brianman
    I don't think I've ever done that with any phone. /confused
  • Apr 28, 2013
    Babylonfive
    But, Brianman, aren't you normally confused? :confused:
  • Apr 28, 2013
    brianman
    Often, but not normally.
  • Apr 28, 2013
    CapitalistOppressor
    I haven't really looked into it, but I belive the new numbers are for the Performance Plus cars.
  • Apr 28, 2013
    aronth5
    This would be my best guess too but then again I'm usually wrong about Elon's announcements.
  • Apr 28, 2013
    ShortSlaver
    Stand up or sit down. Take out your phone. Begin interacting with it. Notice that it is under your nose. Unless you hold it above your head, which would be weird. ;)
  • Apr 28, 2013
    Curt Renz
    Here�s the exact quote from Musk near the end of a Bloomberg interview on April 2[SUP]nd[/SUP]:

    �Then there�s a third announcement that I won�t quite talk about, but I think is pretty cool, except to say that if you�re driving a Model S, it�s right under your nose.�

    There�s no explicit mention of, �Will make Model S owners happy.� Such a meaning would have to be inferred.

    Keep in mind that the interview was unscripted and the comment was in answer to a journalist�s question. I used to be one of those who would ask such questions of newsmakers on TV. The resulting answers are not always as precise as the responder may want them to be, if he had time to write them out. So in this case we may be working too hard at parsing every word in an attempt to decipher a somewhat cryptic message.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/video/musk-...POTKv9N6g.html











  • Apr 28, 2013
    brianman
    That's kind of like saying my hat is under my nose when I straighten the brim for a few seconds before wearing it the rest of the day.
  • Apr 28, 2013
    Vger
    I think all we can be sure of it is something that will be reveal/unlocked/upgraded on existing cars. I suspect I will be delighted.
  • Apr 28, 2013
    gg_got_a_tesla
    We are mixing announcements here. That line from Elon was regarding last week's announcement about Service. There's been no such thing said about this one.
  • Apr 28, 2013
    riceuguy
    Performance difference

    No, it was due to improved throttle response; the improves times are legit!
  • Apr 29, 2013
    JRP3
    That says to me it's in existing vehicles that are on the road being driven now.
  • Apr 29, 2013
    bhuwan
    I am wishing and hoping that this announcement is huge - but based on the recent announcements that were all a bore, I'd have to say that Elon is making this announcement out to be a lot bigger than it really is - it's probably something small /trivial :(
  • Apr 29, 2013
    Mycroft
    Pessimists are never disappointed! :biggrin:
  • Apr 29, 2013
    JRP3
    Actually I think everyone else is reading too much into the announcement and making it more than it is, not Elon.
  • Apr 29, 2013
    gregincal
    Exactly. All he said was that he thought the announcement was "pretty cool". He didn't say it was some sort of huge announcement.
  • Apr 29, 2013
    bhuwan
    I disagree. Most companies just use a simple PR or update their site ( think apple and their small refreshes ) - elon makes sure to hype his announcments by being extemely vague on twitter.
  • Apr 29, 2013
    JRP3
    I think we are both saying the same thing. Elon makes a simple statement and then lets everyone's imagination run wild. It may be calculated but it's not actually Elon hyping it, he's letting everyone else do the work for him.
  • Apr 29, 2013
    brianman
    For you longshot gamblers out there:
  • Apr 30, 2013
    100thMonkey
    an actual Tesla Coil, oh Boy!!!! they must be holding off on that till after they've figured out how not to crash the world economy with free energy!
    :wink:

  • Apr 30, 2013
    woof
  • Apr 30, 2013
    ModelS1079
    Front park assist (near curb warning). After all, it is "right under your nose(cone)".
  • Apr 30, 2013
    vetboy45
  • May 1, 2013
    Plug Me In
    Says the man who lives a stone's throw from Microsoft:wink:
  • May 1, 2013
    brianman
    I think this is the first time I've heard even a hint that Microsoft products have an excess of style. Interesting.
  • May 1, 2013
    100thMonkey
    oh right, that's why my microsoft friends joke that they spend half their time at work huddled around Apple devices, trying to figure out how to replicate the products... honestly, it's shameless.

  • May 1, 2013
    wycolo
    Did someone suggest it is new steering wheel inlays offering choices of CC buttons on right (replacing stalk) and new media switches on left, for example? Two or three different schemes will be offered, depending on personal taste.
    --
  • May 1, 2013
    4sevens.com
    It's easy to adding lots of one-trick features and make things more complicated.

    Leonardo da Vinci said it best - Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.

    I've worked (tinkered) with PC's for decades since before my college days (286, 386 etc etc) and in the last 5 years I switched to MAC because I wanted to actually USE my devices in my business rather than plan, tinker, optimize them.

    In so many ways in life less is more.
  • May 1, 2013
    Doug_G
    I'd just like to have an option reverse the cruise on/cruise off selectors... still getting that confused regularly five months later.

    This sounds too a little too trivial to be an announcement, though.
  • May 1, 2013
    Laumb
    My guess: "You guys remember we added the supercharger-hardware for all cars? Even the 40kwhs - which really are 60s? Right? Well, all cars actually got the Performance inverter, too Keep cost down. Its the same! So, all 85kwh owners will from now on be able to "rent" the performance gains of the top model for $49/week. 60kwh owner may rent the 85kwh gains for the same amount. Or for only $15000 you can upgrade over the air!"

    "One mire thing...
    Also we included a secret tic-tac-toe game that will be unlocked on your touchscreen as of now."
  • May 1, 2013
    jyc
    If it's a feature that's already on all existing vehicles, and there isn't wiring for any of the extras we'd all like, I'd wonder if it'll be an announcement of the official NHTSA crash test results.

    I'm sure we'd all be pleased to be in one of the few 5 star rated vehicles in all categories...
  • May 1, 2013
    ModelS8794
    Minesweeper on the center console at every red light...
  • May 1, 2013
    yobigd20
    ..confused...the Model S was already 5 star rated in every category....that is old news from last year from Elon himself during one of last year's shareholder meetings. something like:
    "Model S received 5-star ratings for ALL NHTSA tests. In fact, we exceeded them. If 6 stars were available, we would have received 6."
  • May 1, 2013
    ModelS8794
    I believe that represented Tesla's own determination of the MSs crash tests, based on mimicking NHTSAs testing methodology. Or alternatively, represented NHTSAs preliminary testing using Tesla-provided cars, but were not finalized because NHTSA was still in line to receive their own purchased Model S to perform testing on for the official publication.

    When I received my car in January, the sticker did not list a crash test rating. And I have not yet heard of a final crash test rating issued subsequently either.
  • May 2, 2013
    brianman
    I think we're long overdue for snippiness-style thread for banishing the "I hate Apple", "I hate Microsoft", etc. branch discussions.

    Just an opinion.

    - - - Updated - - -

    This has been discussed in depth before and hopefully I can summarize briefly and reasonably accurately.

    Facts as I understand them as of May 1, 2013:
    1. Car manufacturers are responsible for performing the specified tests and reporting the results honestly.
    2. NHTSA takes a "random sampling" of market vehicle production by "ordering as a normal person" from the various manufacturers. They don't do every vehicle every year; they have some selection criteria.
    3. When NHTSA has final results for a vehicle they publish them.
    4. Tesla has done #1 for Model S.
    5. NHTSA has probably done #2 for Model S.
    6. For Tesla Model S, #3 hasn't occurred yet.
  • May 2, 2013
    zax123
    Elon just tweeted: "Time to up the ante (and fix some mistakes). Tesla announcement tomorrow." Not the under the nose announcement right? This is supposed to the supercharger announcement...

    Why up the ante?
  • May 2, 2013
    zeron
    Not about the supercharger announcement.

    "This is about getting a prior announcement right. Not part 4 yet."
  • May 2, 2013
    Calisun
    The 'under your nose' announcement has to be carbon fiber mustaches. :wink:
  • May 2, 2013
    AnOutsider
    OK, so revisiting service or the "lease" I guess...
  • May 2, 2013
    Tempus
    or maybe clarifying some of the confusion around the service announcement
  • May 2, 2013
    Kaivball
    Lines for the back up camera that show where you would go based on steering angle.
  • May 3, 2013
    TEG
    My LEAF has that, and I love it...
  • May 3, 2013
    Calisun
    Must be a Nissan thing, I had an Infiniti loaner that did the same a few years ago. Hopefully they don't have an airtight patent on the concept.
  • May 3, 2013
    Kaivball
    BMW has that as well.
  • May 4, 2013
    raymond
    I actually came here to read reactions to Elon's tweet: Earnings call next week, then Supercharger week after and then... the mystery announcement/demonstration :)

    What is going to be demonstrated?
  • May 4, 2013
    DonPedro
    I seem to recall that he has previously clarified that this is something that will make current owners of Tesla cars happy, and that is "right under your nose". If it will be announced by means of a demonstration, it has to be something you can do with your current car, so either a hidden feature, a new feature that will be available after a firmware upgrade (5.0?) or some new, physical addon product you can buy.

    I think the physical addon idea sounds contrived/unconvincing. And if it is a hidden feature, it still needs a firmware update to enable it, so I feel this is it.

    Would "enabling wifi" warrant an announcement and a demonstration? I don't think so. ACC would be wicked. But I have a feeling this is something geniunely new (making it harder to guess at).
  • May 4, 2013
    markb1
    I'm hoping for free connectivity. Am I being too optimistic?

    Here's my thinking. Pseudo-lease was announced, and their "total cost of ownership" calculations did not include service costs or connectivity costs. Then they announced service was optional. Then they made adjustments to the pseudo-lease, pretty much addressing all complaints, except that they still did not account for connectivity. Now, of course, they might just be waiting to add it to the calculator until the price is announced, but it would be somewhat disingenuous to not provide a disclaimer.

    Yeah, ok, so if they charge for connectivity, it will be optional, just like the annual service visits. So maybe not.
  • May 4, 2013
    Curt Renz
    Here again is the exact quote from Musk near the end of a Bloomberg interview on April 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] in which he was describing an upcoming series of announcements:

    �Then there�s a third announcement that I won�t quite talk about, but I think is pretty cool, except to say that if you�re driving a Model S, it�s right under your nose.�

    Then on April 25[SUP]th[/SUP] he tweeted the following in preparation for the service announcement the next day, which was unrelated to the mystery announcement hinted above:

    �Announcement of new @Tesla Motors strategy tomorrow. Tesla owners will like this.�
  • May 7, 2013
    nleggatt
    Ok, I was thinking about this announcement today and in another thread someone said that a tweet had said "demonstration"

    I doubt Elon wants those stupid looking parking sensors on the nose or bumpers of any model S, so what they discovered a way to have parking assist without them. AND, what if they created a system that you don't have to try to use. IE: the nose senses if it going to hit something and stops the car. For instance, if I'm pulling up to someone in front of me in a parking lot, the car sense them and then even though I'm giving the car "acceleration" it drives forward and slows down automatically and then stops 3-6 inches away whether I continue to press the accelerator. That would make an interesting "demonstration". It's under your nose too.
  • May 8, 2013
    JerryNycom
    Whats Musk going to Demo next week?

    Any clues or ideas what we think he's going to demo next week after the SuperCharger announcement? Only clue I heard was "under our nose?

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  • May 8, 2013
    ksdprasad
    my bet is on AWD option for existing MODEL S owners.
  • May 8, 2013
    markb1
    Elon said:

    That implies it's something already in the car.
  • May 8, 2013
    Larry Chanin
  • May 8, 2013
    shady
  • May 8, 2013
    Larry Chanin
    So its your opinion that none of the hidden features built into the Model S firmware will ever be available to current owners, either for free or at an additional fee?

    Larry
  • May 8, 2013
    gg_got_a_tesla
    Problem's the hardware, Larry. Folks who've had their cars taken apart and turned into the Huns and such haven't found any.

    Since Elon likes the multimedia capability of the car so much - the "any song any time" bit was mentioned in the Q1 letter to shareholders - I think video's coming to the big screen!
  • May 8, 2013
    Larry Chanin
    To be clear, it is not my contention that all the software hooks in the firmware will support all the new features, such as adaptive cruise control, or collision avoidance, etc., without additional hardware. My suggestion is that some software-based functionality, that does not require additional hardware, may be implemented to current owners for free, and other functions, particularly those that require addtional hardware, may be offered to current owner for a fee.

    Larry
  • May 8, 2013
    spatterso911
    I wonder if this is a potential profit center for the service centers, since they are probably operating at a loss right now.
  • May 8, 2013
    brianman
    What odds you offering? I'd bet against it.
  • May 9, 2013
    Kaivball
    Nope. There is no motor in the front.
  • May 9, 2013
    shady
    My opinion is that Tesla built a common diagnosis system that could be used across all of their existing and future cars. I believe they will use the same system in the Model X, the Model S V2 the Gen 3 .... If I was building a Schema for this diagnosis tool, I'd bung everything I could think of in there even though there may not be any plans to include these things ever!. I just really wished they'd added a field for "Ejector seat - Enabled/Disabled" Now that would get people talking :)
  • May 9, 2013
    Curt Renz
    At 11:24 am EDT today Elon tweeted: "There is a way for the Tesla Model S to be recharged throughout the country faster than you could fill a gas tank."

    Two minutes later in response to a questioner in that tweet set Elon added: "Don't forget the mystery announcement. Part 5 of the trilogy."
  • May 9, 2013
    Banahogg
    Twitter / elonmusk: There is a way for the Tesla ...

    Elon: There is a way for the Tesla Model S to be recharged throughout the country faster than you could fill a gas tank.
    bhuwan: yeah, we're waiting for superchargers ;)
    Elon: Don't forget the mystery announcement. Part 5 of the trilogy.

    Hmm. Battery swap stations? There were some hints of that in the last 10-K (Battery Swapping/Rental for the Model S - Page 6) and would certainly be something that could lead to a cool public demonstration.
  • May 9, 2013
    ccorda
    Same thread on twitter "@elonmusk only in US or across the globe?"

    Elon replies: "@pratik_shah worldwide"

    Battery swap infrastructure would be difficult globally, wouldn't it?
  • May 9, 2013
    bhuwan
    That was me :D
  • May 9, 2013
    AnOutsider
    in the above, battery swapping does make sense -- otherwise, why wouldn't it be coupled with the SC announcement? We know the ability was baked into the car, so that would constitute right under your nose. How practical is it though?
  • May 9, 2013
    ckessel
    I can't imagine what it could be other than battery swap. If they could dump orders of magnitude more power via the SC then they'd have done that already.
  • May 9, 2013
    gregincal
    We've speculated on them partnering with another company on superchargers, what about battery swap? Swap your Tesla or Toyota battery at any Toyota dealership (or perhaps Mercedes)? He didn't say it was going to happen tomorrow.
  • May 9, 2013
    Bipo
    I was thinking about battery rental intended to allow battery swapping, and that tweet makes me think about that.
  • May 9, 2013
    raymond
    Battery swapping is not a cool demo. Lightning charging is! :smile: It's hypercharging; to be announced in combination with the hyperloop of course.

    Elon does use the word recharged. Does battery swapping count as recharging? Hmmm.

    85kWh in 5 minutes (20C) is possible for some Li+ cells. Plugging in a 1MW charge cable, that might be a nice demo!
  • May 9, 2013
    hans
    If they are adding batteries (or perhaps super-capacitors) at the supercharger stations then couldn't they spool up energy from the grid and then dump it into the car even faster?
  • May 9, 2013
    DriverOne
    Induction as you drive would recharge faster than anything you have to actually stop for.
  • May 9, 2013
    ckessel
    I don't think so. The limit is what the cells can accept without over heating.
  • May 9, 2013
    zax123
    Is my math way off when I calculate that to charge 85kW of power in 2 minutes would take 4250 amps at 400 volts? The batteries couldn't possibly handle that could they?
  • May 9, 2013
    brianstorms
    But how long does it typically take to fill a 20-gallon gas tank? 5 minutes? 7?

    What does your math say if you charged 85kW of power in 5 minutes not 2?
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