Nov 3, 2014
Chuck P85D i'm sure they feel the pain...�
Nov 3, 2014
andrewket Was this an automated message or an email from an inside sales associate responding to an email you sent them?�
Nov 3, 2014
mrElbe Now we know why the site is slow. :biggrin:�
Nov 3, 2014
jstepy Got my Vin today 63959 (updated in the spreadsheet) as well as a call from my DS... He was just calling to know about holiday travel plans etc. so he knows what days would not work for delivery. He says they aren't able to give anything more specific then December at this time. He said he'd probably be in touch in about two weeks with a firm date.
I will keep you posted.�
Nov 3, 2014
randompersonx I was just issued vin P63951 ... Which seems to be the exact same VIN as Hands_Free....
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Nov 3, 2014
vin5xxx I just noticed I am vin 62579.
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Oh and BTW, I am in California, not Canada. And my exterior is black.�
Nov 3, 2014
Cottonwood It was an unsolicited e-mail that appeared to be created by a human inside sales associate, based on the individualized nature of the content. I don't think that it was created by a robot, but Tesla robots are pretty amazing.
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Update:
Just got my VIN: x64191?�
Nov 3, 2014
AMN 64186 here. Assigned some time today.
I suspect they sold quite a few of these...�
Nov 3, 2014
MarcG 62579 or 63579? And it's a P85D, not just P85, yes?�
Nov 3, 2014
Hands_Free I fixed my VIN 63950. Had mistyped it.�
Nov 3, 2014
svp6 Mine is in too. 63823.�
Nov 3, 2014
jtwxlii Just updated and finally have my VIN! 64196�
Nov 3, 2014
Cottonwood In terms of ratios, 64191/37 is a VIN ratio of 1,735...not bad for 2.25 years.
What fraction of VIN's do we think are missing in the VIN sequence, <1%, 1%, 5%, etc?�
Nov 3, 2014
vin5xxx Yes 62579 for a P85D. I know this is quite a bit lower than any others posted so far. When I spoke to my DS they informed me I was quite high on the list.
I've added my data into row 80 on the spreadsheet as I was not able to insert a row above row 2. It told me I am not allowed to edit the spreadsheet.
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OK it looks like the spreadsheet sorted me to the top. Cool.....�
Nov 3, 2014
andrewket Did you change a previous order to the P85D?�
Nov 3, 2014
Aargau Just got my VIN ...64190. The Tesla showroom here at Santana Row is looking to get a P85D for test drives and they thought around December 10-12th, they thought that mine should come Dec 15th-16th or so.�
Nov 3, 2014
NOLA_Mike Finally - 64272. I can quit refreshing the Tesla website every minute now.
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Nov 3, 2014
Andyw2100 Got mine some time in the last couple of hours--64227.�
Nov 3, 2014
andrewket OHH! Maybe that's where the missing VINs in the 633xx went. Demo cars.�
Nov 3, 2014
dbw77 Just got it...
64260�
Nov 3, 2014
wk057 Mine also just popped up, 64184. Wonder how long until production now.�
Nov 3, 2014
vin5xxx I attended the D unveiling in Hawthorne and placed my order when I got home that night. The website was so jammed up that I somehow ended up with 2 separate reservations for a P85D. About a week later Tesla called me and canceled one of the 2 reservations.�
Nov 3, 2014
andrewket Ah the mysteries of Tesla's ordering process. I ordered at the event.�
Nov 3, 2014
jweinstein 64261 here. Going to Anchorage, AK.�
Nov 3, 2014
commasign 64179. So excited!�
Nov 3, 2014
NSX1992 After reading the latest comments and news about receiving VIN#s I went to My Tesla again (had checked this morning) and there it was #64306.�
Nov 3, 2014
miamimd I am in too, 64329 for Florida!!�
Nov 3, 2014
koreth Mine appeared some time in the last few hours. 64013 for the Fremont factory.�
Nov 3, 2014
Vger Looking at the GoogleDocs spreadsheet, and examining VINs, it appears Tesla are closing in rapidly on 2,000 orders for the P85D. Boo-yaa!�
Nov 3, 2014
SBR 64273 to austin Texas.
ordered the morning after the D event�
Nov 4, 2014
andrewket How do you figure? All model S vehicles come out of the same VIN pool.�
Nov 4, 2014
3s-a-charm 64397 going to Calgary, Canada in January as a 2015 Model. Grey interior on Black exterior, all options minus 3rd row.�
Nov 4, 2014
Vger Perhaps. I was thinking that they may have reserved blocks of consecutive VINs for the P85D. Big assumption, I recognize.
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Did you defer to get the 2015 "model year"? Or were you constrained to take Jan delivery? When did you order?�
Nov 4, 2014
randompersonx It seems most likely that at the beginning of production, they would do a mix of P85D with the rest of Model S as they are dialing down their assembly process, (eg: 62xxx VIN), but by 63xxx and 64xxx I would assume that it's mostly P85D's for a more efficient assembly line.
Im sure there was also a specific large surge of orders of P85D with December promised delivery dates.�
Nov 4, 2014
Atrium 63104 received yesterday. December delivery. Trading in P85.�
Nov 4, 2014
DPDsModelS 64202 - updated the spreadsheet. Now I have to stop checking these sites and be productive doing something else. Time has slowed to a crawl waiting for this damn car!�
Nov 4, 2014
Volt 64044 - fully loaded P85D heading to WA state. Can't wait!!�
Nov 4, 2014
EarlyAdopter Congrats! Great to finally see another WA state P85D!�
Nov 4, 2014
MarcG Quick update here: I finally got a DS assigned to me today. Didn't find out until I called Tesla HQ to ask them a question.
Anyway, I just spoke to my DS and he says to expect a delivery date of early- to mid-December. Nothing more specific until production starts.
For those of you in the US who already have a scheduled delivery date (Andrew, JBrown4390, randompersonx, Chuck, cottonwood) where did you get that date from?�
Nov 4, 2014
Chuck P85D my DS called me yesterday out of the blue to schedule it.
of course he said subject to change, but he's about 80% sure it's accurate.�
Nov 4, 2014
Cottonwood As explained in the comments for my line (well it was there), my DS said, "1st half of December."
Whoever is doing sorts, please try to sort the "Comments" column with the rest of the spreadsheet.�
Nov 4, 2014
gpetti I got an update to December 15th (was 11th). That is still pretty good if it holds.�
Nov 4, 2014
Cottonwood Does anyone know the approximate weekly production rate at Fremont? Last spring it was about 600 per week. With ~1,600 between the earliest VIN on the spreadsheet and me, I hope that number has gone up to more than 600 per week.�
Nov 4, 2014
Panther In as well at 64370�
Nov 4, 2014
LetsGoFast The figure I've seen quoted in the investment rags for first phase was a theoretical improvement to 1,000 units per week for the new assembly line. I do not think that subsequent guidance has clarified if they have reached that or not. The 3,000 cars per week number often quoted is for after the new paint facility and the new body line in 2015.�
Nov 4, 2014
andrewket Per Tesla's VIN decode document hosted at the nhtsa, the 10th digit is the model year, where E=2014, and F=2015. As we continue tracking P85D VINs, be on the lookout for5YJSA1H21FFP .....
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Note: I went ahead and selected Air suspension for all entries that had it listed as an option, or "All minus xyz". There are a few that did not complete the options column, so I left it blank.�
Nov 4, 2014
ncyoung 63810 - fully loaded P85D, Black Exterior, Black Interior, 21" Wheels - headed to San Francisco, CA and picking up in Fremont. Estimated delivery "December"... My 2nd Model S - very excited!�
Nov 4, 2014
randompersonx I was given the date from the Delivery Specialist, but was warned that the date was certainly changeable at this point, and not to bank on that exact date.
Also, I just logged in to MyTesla and saw they moved my delivery from Dania Beach to West Palm Beach ... I changed it back -- wondering if that was a total fluke, or if they were trying to get me to take it there to make it easier for their shipping.�
Nov 5, 2014
andrewket Possibly. I think we're in for a massive Q4 push. I really hope quality does not suffer as a result.�
Nov 5, 2014
lolachampcar I too am curious for the first 2015 ViNs. Tesla can state that the model year makes no difference but the secondary market does respond better to a year newer car using the classical 2013 versus 2014 MY designation. I am working towards an F ViN.
WRT production, I would think that Tesla would stack deliveries of highly optioned high margin PDs in December at the expense of about everything else simply to boost overall margins for the year. ViN deltas may be high but the number of PDs does not equal the delta so it is highly likely they could bang out all those on the speed sheet and more.
As for quality, Tesla has a proven track record of poor quality at the end of the quarter. I had two people I brought to the party have issues with end of quarter cars; one was bad. True to Tesla's nature, they eventually made everything right and the customer has been smiling ever since but I think it is reasonable to expect a larger than normal number of quality issues with this push combined with the little things Tesla will learn when they go to produce a bunch of PDs for the first time.�
Nov 5, 2014
MarcG Congrats! I live in the city too but will pick mine up at San Rafael. Let's go drag racing when we get our P85D ;-) j/k. But would be interested in meeting up at some point to compare notes. Good luck with the wait!�
Nov 5, 2014
P85McD I received an email from Tesla this morning... Subject line "Your estimated Model S delivery date." Needless to say I was so excited to get my date! I opened the email and it said.."your delivery date is December." Gee thanks�
Nov 5, 2014
andrewket I received the same email, and had the same reaction. Tell me something I don't already know�
Nov 5, 2014
LetsGoFast I guess I don't feel bad that they didn't email me then.�
Nov 5, 2014
Chuck P85D in general i agree, but most of our cars are going to be made the last week of November - first week December. that's not exactly "end of the quarter".
also, being the flagship alpha-model it is, i think there will be a purposeful effort to NOT skimp on quality.
btw - how do robots know it's Friday? or the end of the quarter?�
Nov 5, 2014
wk057 DS called and scheduled a 12/05 @ noon delivery. Woot. (I cant seem to update the Google doc for some reason...)�
Nov 5, 2014
lolachampcar wk,
We ( I have a mouse in my pocket ) will require a complete and full data download after delivery and first drives�
Nov 5, 2014
Cottonwood I updated the spreadsheet for you and left a note in the comments to that effect. You are only 7 ahead of me in VIN's; that is very exciting!!!�
Nov 5, 2014
wk057 Yes, very cool.
And thanks.
I find it interesting that my date is 10 days ahead of the next best on that sheet... now I'm wondering why that is...not complaining, just wondering.�
Nov 5, 2014
andrewket We've got duplicate VINs here... 64713. rms427 and ottawa? Who is going to be unhappy?�
Nov 5, 2014
andrewket It looks like you were able to update the doc. Interesting; you're 64184 on the east coast with a very early delivery. I note that you selected a black interior. Given the notice that went out that Tan/Grey interior cars would be delayed maybe by a week or two, your delivery date which implies an EOL week of the 3rd week of November, I think gives us a datapoint that suggests that the P85Ds may not be produced in VIN order. We know Tesla batches and that absolute VIN order is not adhered to, but now it appears there may be a production "window" upwards of 1k VINs. I would not be surprised if we start seeing other black interior cars with the first week of December deliveries.�
Nov 5, 2014
wk057 Good point. I pretty much built almost the same car as the one I have (the one I am trading). I also picked the original white alcantara instead of black since I actually really like the look of my existing car.
When I spoke to my DS she actually seemed confident that 12/5 was a worst case and it could potentially be earlier. This is also the tone of the email I received, quoted below, although this email seems like a prefab message mostly.
So, we'll see how it goes and I'll post any updates as needed.
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Nov 5, 2014
andrewket Congrats to those of you who ordered brown or green P85Ds.. you're going to have the only ones. Brown and green have been discontinued, along with black roof, and the P85.�
Nov 5, 2014
Urtie Really? Maybe the rumored new paint facility is the reason for this? Is an interesting coincidence otherwise.�
Nov 5, 2014
Cottonwood The 60D has also been discontinued, and the D option for the 85 went up from $4k to $5k.�
Nov 5, 2014
andrewket Per the shareholder letter, reducing options to streamline production.�
Nov 5, 2014
EarlyAdopter P85 only available as a D now, too.
Again, reducing options to streamline production, and no doubt help get the most dollars out of each constrained production slot they can.�
Nov 5, 2014
Urtie I wonder if the browns and greens will get to keep their choice..�
Nov 5, 2014
MarcG Just got a call from my DS as well. He's looking at a 12/8-12/10 production completion date for my P85D but nothing more specific than that.
I told him about your schedule and according to him, if your delivery date is relatively accurate, your P85D should be entering production in mid-November.
As for VIN sequencing, he seemed to think that they don't necessarily produce them in order, so expect to see later VINs produced earlier and vice-versa.
Looking forward to seeing "entered production dates" appear on the Google doc! Thanks again Andrew for maintaining it.�
Nov 5, 2014
majorlance Just added my P85D order to the spreadsheet. Looks like three of us are taking delivery in Rockville, MD!
I originally ordered a standard 85D in mid October and then changed it to the P in late October. My delivery says late December. Very excited... Hope it comes in Christmas week, not the last two days of the month!�
Nov 5, 2014
jp97070 Not sure if the spreadsheet accounts for folks who had a P85 on order when the P85D was announced and whether it will affect delivery dates. I had P85 on order 9/17 confirmed and then P85D came out and confirmed 10/15 (maybe 14) and reconfirmed 10/24. I was told I would not be put back in line if I switched to a D.
P85D, black interior, pano, 21", next-gen seats, premium sound, tech, smart air, subzero, red calipers, gray. Vin 63613. Oregon delivery.�
Nov 5, 2014
wk057 I actually emailed my DS with some requested info and a few questions earlier (probably get a reply tomorrow). One of the questions is when she expects the car to enter production, so, we'll see what she comes back with.�
Nov 6, 2014
berryja Yeah I had a P85 ordered in July and changed to a P85D I am pretty sure I dont think I was put in the back of the line but ended up with Vin 64077�
Nov 6, 2014
AK3 Ordered: 11/17/2014
Confirmed 11/17/2014
Estimated Delivery Late December
Scheduled Delivery date:
Actual Delivery Date:
Color: Black
Wheels: 21" Grey
Interior: Next Gen Black
Options: Dual motor-Panoramic Roof- 21 Grey turbine Wheels-Carbon Fiber D�cor- Carbon Fiber Spoiler-Dual Chargers-Wall Connector- Tech Package with Auto pilot- Smart Air Suspension- Ultra High Fidelity Sound
Trading up form: 2011 BMW X5 Msport 5.0
VIN: ###64165�
Nov 6, 2014
gpetti 10/17 ??�
Nov 6, 2014
AK3 Yep: 10/17/2014
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Nov 6, 2014
DPDsModelS MarcG 3 Questions:
1- Is the spreadsheet correct in that you have a 12/8/2014 delivery date scheduled?
2- If so, who did you sleep with?
3- Do you think I have any chance with them?:biggrin:
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Nov 6, 2014
andrewket ROFL.�
Nov 6, 2014
MarcG HAHA you're funny. I mentioned in the spreadsheet that my DS gave me an *estimated* delivery of the 12/8 week's first half.
Here's the sequence of events that I went through:
10/27 - ordered 85D online after much deliberation
10/28 - test-drove 85 and P85 with OA in Corte Madera store (no sleeping with anyone yet)
10/29 - confirmed order for P85D, delivery estimate at Fremont factory showed "Late-December"
10/30 - called OA to plead for a first-half December delivery (consider that the "sleeping with someone" part) to coordinate with my vacation time
10/31 - changed to San Rafael service center delivery per OA's recommendation (he then made some calls to request early-December)
11/01 - received VIN ending in 63084, deliver estimate changed to "December"
11/03 - spoke to inside delivery team member, got late-Nov/early-Dec production timeframe
11/04 - delivery specialist assigned to me, had a good conversation about scheduling, estimated first half of December delivery
11/05 - DS looked further into production schedule, provided 12/8-12/10 delivery date
Let me know if you need more details than that. Good luck "sleeping around"! :tongue:�
Nov 6, 2014
DPDsModelS I had to promise not to sleep with my wife in order to spend $130k of "our $" on the D. So I am really looking for some action!
Seriously though, I had a P85 on order since September and switched to the P85D before you. Yet I am in late December. For certain, you are saving 10+ days by picking up locally but you still seem to have some sway with your OA. I guess I am just a bit jealous!
Hopefully, I will get lucky in delivery dates since I am not too lucky in love.�
Nov 6, 2014
Chuck P85D does anyone know how long it takes to ship cars across the country? i'm sure it's changed since my first Model S. thanks�
Nov 6, 2014
MarcG Any answer from your DS yet on production dates?�
Nov 6, 2014
Chuck P85D clever mods.
clever mods.
:biggrin:�
Nov 6, 2014
P85McD Still no delivery date... But I got my wall charger!�
Nov 6, 2014
wk057 Yeah, she said it should finish production around the week of Nov 24th. No more detail than that yet. I'll keep stalking "My Tesla"...�
Nov 7, 2014
gpetti Thats when it gets real! Assuming you can find an electrician who knows how to install it properly.�
Nov 7, 2014
reuted Looks like we have 63779. Hope it shows up before the holidays. However, if it takes extra time to get it right that is just fine.�
Nov 7, 2014
andrewket The earlier in December the better for me. Already sold the P85+, and we're taking a road trip down to Florida the last third of the month and won't be back until January. Tesla wants the revenue recognition and I want the tax credit for 2014 not to mention I'd prefer to take the Tesla on the road trip, so here's hoping they stay on schedule. My tentative delivery of 12/18 is cutting it close.�
Nov 7, 2014
andrewket Dallas- Congrats on your P85D order. I noticed that your entry on the P85D spreadsheet is not complete. Perhaps you did not notice that it scrolls to the right? There are columns for interior color and a bunch of other items. If you get a chance, would you please complete it? It's throwing off the summary page a bit. I tried to send you a PM instead of posting here, but it appears you're either blocking PMs or are too new to the forum.
Thanks.�
Nov 7, 2014
3s-a-charm Did you get someone in Calgary to install yours? Can you pass on any recommendations? I'm going to drywall/insulate/heat my garage before adding on the wall charger but that should be coming soon.�
Nov 7, 2014
randompersonx It's much easier, neater, and cheaper to add the electrical work before doing the drywall/insulation. Highly suggest you do that work first.�
Nov 7, 2014
MarcG That's exciting! So production should start in mid-November. If NorCal-bound P85D cars are also part of this initial production batch, we could see some deliveries late this month (day-dreaming here :love�
Nov 7, 2014
gpetti The electrician I used was pretty unsatisfactory - I think I documented my troubles in a thread on HPWC which is why I made the comment. In reality I guess the electrician in question is now much more expert than they were when I used them but I'm sure most electricians should be able to do this properly. PM me if you want to discuss.�
Nov 8, 2014
gg_got_a_tesla Just added an entry for myself to the spreadsheet after the crazy decision this morning to upgrade from 85D to P85D to keep Green.
@andrewket, looks like I'm the first to get Textile seats (!!) in a P85D, atleast from this group. Can you please add that option to the Seats column? Thanks!�
Nov 8, 2014
andrewket Congrats, and it will be done in a sec. I didn't even know that was an option.�
Nov 8, 2014
breser It wasn't until they redid the order form with colors for the next gen seats.�
Nov 8, 2014
andrewket It was after that. When Tan and Grey became an option, there was a 3x3 matrix: Black, Tan and Grey, on the x, and Next Gen, Performance, and Nappa on the y. Now textile is an option on the far left, and performance is gone. It's a 3x2 matrix. I think the change happened when the P85, 60D, green and brown were discontinued.
Spreadsheet updated.
Interesting data fact: With 105 cars reporting, SILVER is the least common color with 1.9%. Green is 3.8%, and brown is 2.9%. It's possible the color distribution on P85Ds is different than the overall Model S population, but it's still interesting that Tesla decided to drop green and brown and not silver.�
Nov 8, 2014
breser Maybe they decided to allow it to let people with discontinued options that needed to switch to a P85D to keep them to not pay as much and in the process just decided to allow it for everyone.
Yeah I noticed this. Find it hard to believe that Silver is that unpopular. Might just be an anomaly of the people on this forum. (Otherwise: Mutter about them discontinuing green).�
Nov 8, 2014
Firewired 64840 ordered on 11/04�
Nov 8, 2014
andrewket Ordered 11/4 and have a vin by 11/8? Alrighty then.�
Nov 8, 2014
MarcG FYI, when I was playing around with the configurator during the last week of October, textile seats were definitely an option to the left of the 3x3 matrix, so there were 10 seat choices (!) for the P85D. I think textile seats became an option when they dropped the silly requirements for 21" wheels and tech/air on or around 10/24.
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Yep they are definitely trying to get as many P85Ds delivered as possible before the end of the year. (BTW I ordered 10/27, confirmed 10/29, and got a VIN 11/01 - looks like most orders that were placed in October got their VINs during the first couple of days of November).�
Nov 8, 2014
Firewired Yes, I was really surprised and pleased to check the Tesla site tonight and see the VIN pop up.
Even more impressive than that is the guy above me on the Google doc (rossh) who ordered on 11/07 and has his VIN (64984)?�
Nov 9, 2014
andrewket I must have missed it. I was rather focused on the tan next gen seats�
Nov 10, 2014
MarcG Hehe no worries at all.
Ok so we're one month in now since the D announcement. Over 90 of us have a VIN assigned. Did anyone get an "IN PRODUCTION" update on My Tesla yet? (getting a little antsy, if you can't tell�
Nov 10, 2014
lsnetman P85D ordered and confirmed Saturday November 8. VIN 65089 assigned today!! Strange, because I also have a P85 on order for the last 2 weeks, without any VIN yet. Both are expected late December.
details:
black with black next gen seats, black alcantara
CF accents and spoiler
red calipers, 21" grey wheels
tech, air susp, premium sound, pano roof, dual chargers
center console�
Nov 10, 2014
LetsGoFast It is pretty clear from the earnings call that they are very much emphasizing P85D deliveries and will do everything they can to deliver as many of them as possible, even if that delays delivery of other cars.�
Nov 10, 2014
sundoc So got an email re: my HPWC being ready for delivery.
When I had my P85+ ordered, it was exactly 4 weeks from that HPWC delivery email to the completion of my build (which I subsequently cancelled).
If things hold true, then the strong 'hint' of my delivery being around Dec.15 may well be true!
Might even end up with the first or second P85D in Canada�
Nov 11, 2014
Aargau I've already gotten my wall connector as of last week. However, I'm quite high up in VIN # at 64190.
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Nov 11, 2014
celter Ordered: 10/11
Confirmed: 10/11 and reconfirmed 10/25
Estimated delivery: late February (Norway)
Black, 21'' Grey, Black new generation seats, piano black, white headliner, all the options except 3rd row and spoiler.�
Nov 11, 2014
sundoc Guess it'll depend which one rolls of the truck first eh�
Nov 11, 2014
breser I can see it now. The poor DS gets calls from both of you bidding to get the first delivery. Could be a very good Christmas for that DS. :biggrin:�
Nov 11, 2014
lolachampcar Locked in air and asked for the first available 2015 ViN�
Nov 11, 2014
breser WOW! I expected you to at least last till December before you ordered since you got the MP4-12C.�
Nov 11, 2014
lolachampcar The sales tax savings of trading the 12C will almost completely offset the difference between what I paid for the 12C and Manheim auction numbers for the car. Put differently, bring on the D as the 12C is cheaper to own/operate than getting a rental!
It is a nice car. The problem is going to come when I want to keep both.�
Nov 11, 2014
LetsGoFast Mine just arrived today. Eager to see the first of our cars go into production!�
Nov 11, 2014
Madartist Does this mean that you're sufficiently satisfied with the new improvements to the air suspension from Tesla engineering not to order the coil springs?�
Nov 11, 2014
andrewket Congrats. Week 1 build, you're in Florida, MAYBE 1/15 delivery? I'm actually going to be in your neck of the woods driving back from Ft. Lauderdale around 1/3, hopefully with my D.
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Yeah, spill the beans.�
Nov 11, 2014
lolachampcar Tesla is unable to provide information on the "delete air" option. I interpret this to mean that marketing dumped the delete air option on engineering and now engineering must make it happen. Even though they have field "re-valveable" dampers, it is a lengthly process to get things perfect. I suspect it will be a lot like early MS shipments when, if you ordered coil, you were looking at a three to four month delay in getting your car.
I'm comfortable with the air option because (1) I can always put coil springs on it and (2) when the head of chassis engineering tells me I will not be disappointed, I believe him
Anyone getting a PD in the lower half of Florida is welcome to swap keys with me for a test drive....�
Nov 11, 2014
sundoc Congrats on locking in
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@ Breser
Right! Haha�
Nov 11, 2014
Higgs ironic you got a McLaren 12C, as many owners of that car were stunned when McLaren made a HUGE upgrade to it with the 650S just a few short years after the 12C's introduction. rings familiar...�
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