Thứ Ba, 1 tháng 11, 2016

Model S Delivery Dates and Sequencing part 9

  • Jul 5, 2015
    Jaeger

    What at month did they start including the power fold mirrors, neither of the two CPO cars have them.

    Thanks

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    This is the other 2013 P85 I have a deposit on, it's a later VIN, but it's lacking the twin chargers, paint armor and it has 25k miles on it for $4k more. I guess its a no brainer to take the Metallic blue for $67k with only 11k mileage. Tesla was closed over the holiday, so I wasn't able to transfer the deposit on this one, now I have deposits on both of the cars. I Had to jump on it, since the low mileage and better price. Do you think Tesla will either refund me the deposit or apply it to the car/ merchandise?

    Below is the car I placed a deposit on 3 weeks ago, looking to get the refund.

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  • Jul 5, 2015
    HankLloydRight
    They probably won't apply it to the merchandise, as that is run by a third-party vendor.

    They might transfer it, and if they do, please let us know so we can add it to the collective subconscious.
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  • Jul 5, 2015
    dennisayre
    In terms of the deposit...

    We bought another CPO Tesla recently and it took a few days to get pictures of the P85 before we signed the MVPA. Well another higher priced but lower milage version of it popped up locally and we tried to swap but they wouldn't allow a transfer of the deposit. Apparently there is a 72 hour period from when you put down the deposit to when you can swap VIN's. Sort of odd since it can take a few days to get any feedback from Tesla to begin with.

    So as a heads up to any would be purchasers, you have 72 hours from placing your deposit to make sure that is the one you want.
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  • Jul 6, 2015
    porshuh
  • Jul 6, 2015
    spentan
    Considering a p85 was available for 59k, I don't think it's that great a deal.

    Once model x is released, prices are going to crash,
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  • Jul 6, 2015
    Drucifer
    1000 fewer miles, 9000 lower VIN, and "+".....but no Studio Sound. no Alcantara/Lighting and no Dual Chargers....and $4k more than I paid. Very good deal, but not entirely amazing of a deal.
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  • Jul 6, 2015
    ahurst
    I think around vin 30,xxx power fold became standard
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  • Jul 6, 2015
    No2DinosaurFuel
    Well the 59K P85 was a 2012 with more miles. Also this is a P85+ so it will cost a bit more.

    see my previous post on this:
    Tesla Model S CPO Website - Now Live - Page 106

    looks like my prediction is coming true faster than I anticipated.
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  • Jul 6, 2015
    BoerumHill
    ATM none of your predictions have come to fruition. Trending, but not there yet.

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  • Jul 6, 2015
    Kalud
    Yeah, I have them on my 25610 VIN. Its probably more like 20k and up. It was added in the "new" tech package during summer of 2013.
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  • Jul 6, 2015
    No2DinosaurFuel
    yup none yet, but very close for sure:

    a few S60 in the mid-high $40K
    a few S85 in the mid-high $50K
    one P85 between $55K-60K
    a few P85+ in the low $70K

    So yeah I would conclude coming to fruition faster than predicted. Keep in mind, I was predicting those numbers when the model X comes out. Model X has not come out yet. So there is time before those numbers become true.
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  • Jul 6, 2015
    BoerumHill
    I *think* this is correct, but the CPO website doesn't describe the mirrors as such except for 2015 models. We know that is incorrect.

    On the New York site, vin 38460 (P85+) and vin 49903 (S85) both have the same description:

    Inventory 60s have different verbiage.

    We know Vins don't line up sequentially with build dates, but the approximate build of those three examples would be April (38xxx) and September (49xxx). In between we have a ton of CPO Vins in the 4xxxxx, none of which indicate they have folding mirrors (but I suspect they do.)

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    OK, so Preowned listings are wrong....if it's 2014, it almost surely has power folding mirrors.
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  • Jul 6, 2015
    Kalud
    It needs tech package, but then it certainly has them.
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  • Jul 6, 2015
    BoerumHill
    275 currently in the CPOC
    -- / TP / AP filter
    -- 2
    TP 249
    AP 24

    I count 58 below Vin 2xxxx, another 40 between 20000-24999.

    Caveat emptor.

    ETA: quick search of the Model S Delivery thread for "power folding mirrors" - guy ordering in October 2013 added the item after he confirmed, had to pay another $250. That was Vin 248xx. So I would be careful with any CPO below 25xxx. Might have them, might not - best to confirm with Tesla before you plunk down the deposit if that's a deal breaker for you.

    Model S Delivery Update - Page 619
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  • Jul 6, 2015
    brantse
    Miles and options will certainly be the deciding factor. I saw a S85 go for right around $50k, with over 40k miles.
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  • Jul 6, 2015
    HankLloydRight
    Hint: You can put the option code for power folding mirrors: X037 into the search box to find all CPO cars with that option (there are 68 2013 cars with them)

    The lowest VIN P16280 with that option code: 85 kWh Performance Model S P16280 | Tesla Motors

    Which sucks for me.. my VIN is less than 1000 before that. :( :mad:

    My car is a July 2013 build.
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  • Jul 6, 2015
    SmartElectric
    ++1

    Interesting theory. The local Tesla store was surprised I snagged my CPO S85 in a few minutes. The conversation (more than just this) suggested that others were sent PDF sheets on the car and got back to the store the next morning and found out it was already gone... To me!! Yeah! But anyway, yes, there might be something to what you outlined.
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  • Jul 6, 2015
    Alaron
    I apologize in advance for what I am about to say because I might be stepping on some toes, but for what it's worth, last week I was speaking with the sales rep that I purchased my CPO from. We were in the process of getting an acquaintance into his own CPO and he mentioned how they were running into issues selling white model S' and wouldn't be surprised if they began discounting them more aggressively than the others. The model in question might be the start of that trend.

    Or I could just be a bit flabbergasted that it is so much cheaper and similarly specced to the P85+ I just bought. To clarify an earlier query, the 21" rims removed from my S will be stocked in the service center and used for loaner cars and the like. You were spot on Drucifer.
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  • Jul 6, 2015
    BoerumHill
    Tesla monitors the forum - people get service center calls all the time after posting issues here. No doubt folks in the CPO program are taking our pulse from time to time.
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  • Jul 6, 2015
    HankLloydRight
    Just a question for the group -- does anyone look for cars with miles HIGHER than some limit, or just lower than some limit?

    Say, would anyone want to search for cars with more than 20k miles?
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  • Jul 6, 2015
    BoerumHill
    Personally I am looking ONLY at low mileage vehicles; below 10K and preferably below 5K. If I go CPO 85/P85 instead of 70D, no doubt I'll be buying a mid-range CPO (75-85K.) I have no thought of getting a P85+ for a daily driver. OK, I'm a Manhattanite, every weekend driver.

    That's my personal preference. The person who wants to snag anything under $55K likely doesn't have the same criteria for condition or options. They just want a Model S at an low absolute price. Nothing wrong with that, there are deals out there if you're quick about it. Of the 25 lowest CPO removed (<57.9K), 3 were under 10K miles and several more were under 15K.
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  • Jul 6, 2015
    ahurst
    I would only filter for "less than" x miles
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  • Jul 6, 2015
    Cyclone
    Mine had over 31k miles when it was delivered to me and I could care less how many it had. The warranty starts fresh and the tires were new. Others may care about mileage, but it didn't bother me.
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  • Jul 6, 2015
    SmartElectric
    My CPO S85 runs and was detailed to look like new when I picked it up, even though it had high mileage (and thus a lower price).
    Personally, I was looking for the mileage discount, as it got me into a Tesla a year before I expected.
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  • Jul 6, 2015
    MsElectric
    It would be useful if there was some way to sort by the largest discount from the original listed price based on price changes... :)
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  • Jul 6, 2015
    Wshowell
    Another perspective on low VIN high mileage CPO cars and why they may be the best "value". If Tesla is intent on making these cars perfect for the new owner, they may do MORE for the older higher mileage cars like: newer battery pack (refurbished unit swap), new pads, rims, seats etc. I have no data to support this other than my buddy that bought his 6### VIN P85 received new tires, 21" rims, windshield and other unknown items. I'll ask him to check his battery pack. Tesla didn't provide him with an exact itemized list of what they did do but I know what he complained to them about upon his initial inspection and those items were swapped for new. In other words, if it broken, scratched etc it seems Tesla just swaps for new, if it's newish then they leave it be. Higher mileage cars will need more replacement parts that lower mileage ones. My thoughts....
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  • Jul 6, 2015
    clarkbariowa
    Awesome! I didn't realize the search box was even there. I put in PK01 and now I have all the P85s with parking sensors!
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    neroden
    I can't find the search box. Where is it?!? (edit...) OK, I'm an idiot, right edge.
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    ahurst
    I keep forgetting about that - you get a fresh 4 yr / 50k warranty regardless of mileage with CPO's
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    sachin86
    Does anyone happen to have the CPO paperwork that shows what Tesla checks for and what process Tesla does to bring a car to CPO condition? I remember it said things like "We guarantee it to be from tears in the seats, tires that have at least 6/32 tread, etc"

    I cannot seem to find it for the life of me!
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    ahurst
    I see no rhyme or reason for pricing on some of these. A higher VIN, 2014 P85+ is priced less than a 2013, lower VIN P85+ in Denver.
    Relatively same mileage.
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    Fiver
    There could be some cosmetic damage to the body that Tesla acknowledges is there but didn't want to fix.
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    HankLloydRight
    Also Inventory cars.
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    MsElectric
    I think the benefit with an Inventory car with regards to the warranty is that you can extend it another 4 years for 8 years of coverage.

    I could never figure out why they don't offer this warranty extension option for CPO cars....
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    TomServo
    As I sit on the sidelines watching Tesla's CPO program mature and evolve I find myself wandering from the sage advice I have given prospective Corvette buyers since the dawn of the internet - buy the newest/lowest mileage vette you can afford.

    That was my going in plan for my CPO Tesla, but I'm now more inclined to include older/higher mileage vehicles. The physical age or mileage doesn't seem as important as it does on ICE vehicles aside from some missing hardware aka features/accessories.
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    HankLloydRight
  • Jul 7, 2015
    Vlad92
    Here is the document I signed for CPO. I believe this is what you are looking for...
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    clarkbariowa

    Nice! The only thing that stuck out to me was the tire tread limits. This means you could potentially get a tire that has 7/32 tread left. I remember them giving me new tires on my BMW CPO. I think that threshold should be much higher...

    from PDF:Tire tread depth of at least 6/32 inch, any tire below 6/32 inch will be replaced
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    Buckeye2320
    Hank don't you mean pooped up? I know that some of you have the Brown Metallic, but I personally just can't stand that color.
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    dalamchops
    i received my car with 2 tires at 7/32, and 2 at 9/32 (new)
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    MsElectric
    With the Mercedes CPO program they don't certify vehicles that have been in a moderate accident or vehicles that does not have a regular service history. Those vehicles are auctioned off. How is this handled by Tesla? Do they certify every single car they get or do they pass on certifying certain cars based on condition or other factors?

    I guess accident damage can be looked up by pulling the CarFax because they publish the VIN number...
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    sachin86
    Thanks a lot for giving me that disclosure!

    Re: accidents - I was wondering the same. I wonder if my car had an accident prior to them listing it as CPO.
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    TomServo
    Aren't CPO buyers given a copy of a CARFAX or other similar certification that the car has not been in a reportable accident?
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    brantse
    I was told by an employee at a service center that Tesla does not sell wrecked cars. Not sure I believe that in 100% of all cases, but that's what he said.
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    BoerumHill
    Still up three hours later?


    • Piano Black D�cor
    • Supercharging
    • Twin Chargers
    • Active Air Suspension
    Must be everyone is too depressed TSLA dropped -14.15 today.
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    FlatSix911
    Does anyone know if Tesla is planning to list Inventory cars online? (new with Fed/State credits)
    It would be really nice if we did not have to go through the sales advisors for the regional list of cars.
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    abasile
    I saw it as an opportunity to pick up a few more shares. ;-) Wish I had acted months ago when it was in the 180s, though.

    One thing I'd like to see is an all-Tesla consolidator. What I mean by that is, in addition to what Hank's consolidator does, I'd like to see a consolidator that scrapes eBay, CraigsList, AutoTrader, Tesla Motors, and any other significant sources of used Tesla listings. It appears that VINs could be decoded to determine the battery size, which isn't immediately obvious on AutoTrader. Ideally, this service would provide email alerts to inform would-be buyers of brand new or updated listings that meet their criteria.

    And why stop with Tesla vehicles? Searching for used EVs in general can be a pain with the existing websites. EV-specific options sort of get buried or can't easily be used as search criteria.

    Obviously, we'd need to make sure there aren't any legal issues with doing this. Assuming there aren't, I think this is something that should exist (to borrow a phrase from Elon). Unless Hank or someone else is motivated to make this happen, I'll consider having a crack at it myself.

    Edit: I just had a look at the "Visitor Agreement" on AutoTrader.com. This doesn't look promising:
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    MsElectric
    I guess you can always pull the CarFax as that will list any reported accidents. Also to some degree the CarFax will tell if the car was bought new or as an inventory car based on the mileage when it was initially registered if that is important to you. Personally I'd prefer to buy a car that was owned by someone who bought it new rather than bought as an inventory car after a bunch of initial use...

    It would be nice if the CarFax was listed with the car so you know some details about the car including when the car was initially put in service.

    I wonder if anyone has pulled up the CarFax for a Tesla car and what it looks like. When you take in in for service at the Tesla Service Center, do they report the service performed to CarFax like most dealers would?

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    They are already listing Inventory S60s. I think it is only a matter of time before they list other Inventory models as well. What they really need to do is pay Hank to take over their car listing interface or pay someone to build a more useful interface. If not for Hank, we'd all be screwed trying to find a CPO car using the clunky Tesla interface. I bet we'll see more inventory cars by the end of the year. It makes no sense for them to not list them online and increase the exposure and save their employees the hassle of emailing spreadsheets around of available cars.
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    HankLloydRight
    Go right ahead, I'm not going to start surfing the entire web for Tesla's for sale. The CPO site is quite enough with V2 of the CPOC coming out soon!
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    abasile
    I understand. In software, everything usually seems to take longer than it "should". You've done a great job on the CPO consolidator. It's just that I've found myself frustrated with the difficulty of searching for EVs on the traditional automotive sites. What I'd really like to see is a general, EV-focused vehicle listing site. My challenge is that I'm more than busy enough with existing work commitments. But I've been telling myself that I need to spend some time on a project of my own (not something I'm doing for a paying customer). So if I do anything here, it might happen slowly...
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    HankLloydRight
    BTW, there are a ton of sites that scrape autotrader and cars.com. I've listed a couple of cars for sale there, and within a few days, they show up on a dozen other auto sales sites. I'm not sure what they get from it (other than maybe advertising), but it's a huge business. I also know what I had to go through to reverse engineer Tesla's CPO site to extract the data -- no way I want to do that for a dozen more other, and very different websites.

    Also, thanks for your comments about the CPOC. I'm almost done V2, and I'm very happy with how it came out. V1 was literally a "quick and dirty" thing I threw together. V2 is what it really should have been. I hope to do a soft launch in a day or two.
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    BoerumHill
    My average TSLA buy this year has been 234. Oddly - this is like the reverse of getting stuck on sunk cost - I haven't wanted to add shares since the breakout. Don't want to mess up that awesome unrealized gain %. LOL. DIS has been good to me, but not that good. I should have just bet the house on red. ;)

    Hank, I view this thread and CPOC on a device 95% of the time. Would you be kind enough to point me to a glossary of codes I can use to search the CPOC? i.e., White Alcantara = xxxx, Dual Chargers = xx.

    Related (I think) - if I click on the opts hyperlink, does the popup box have the codes?

    TIA
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    HankLloydRight
    The "Opts" popup does have the codes, but just for that car. I got most of the codes from this source: Tesla Model S Options Decoder I manually filled in dozens more that were missing from that list, which I think is dated.

    When V2 launches, it includes a quick-acces page of all option codes available.


    Also, what device are you using?
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    abasile
    I'm looking forward to CPOC V2! I've been keeping on eye on your consolidated listings, with an eye toward a future Tesla purchase.

    As for scraping and re-using AutoTrader in particular, perhaps it'd be feasible with permission. My thinking would be to start by scraping just a couple of major sites, and also accept listings directly. Someone I know has scraped auto listings, so perhaps if they're willing to help, it wouldn't be necessary to start from scratch.

    In the long term, it needs to become easier to buy and sell EVs, and I fear it'll take years for the big players like AutoTrader to tailor their sites appropriately. EVs are still such a small niche.
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    BoerumHill
    Great, thanks
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    tga
    Despite CarFax's claims otherwise, a clean CarFax does not mean the car is accident-free. I bought a CPO'ed Porsche with a clean CarFax, and discovered a couple of years later that the car had repaired front-end damage.
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    MsElectric
    Given the astronomical cost of repairing any moderate damage to a Tesla I think chances are good that there will be an insurance claim and associated CarFax record for accident damage. Of course it is possible the repair was done "offline" but I think it's worthwhile checking CarFax before buying a CPO car so that if there is any prior accident damage you know about it. You can also likely determine how many past owners the car has had and if it was bought new or an inventory car as well for what that's worth...
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    andrewket
    Was it used or CPO? Most certified pre-owned programs offer two things: 1/ Inspection by the (shutter) dealer, stating the car has not been in any accidents and is good working order, and 2/ A warranty

    I have a friend who discovered within a week of buying a "CPO" car that it had been in an accident, and the dealer bought the car back (after an attorney got involved). They clearly they didn't "inspect" the car as they had stated.
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  • Jul 7, 2015
    Cyclone
    90% of my browsing and comments on this forum are via my iPhone 6+.
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  • Jul 8, 2015
    TomServo
    True, guess the next question is when is a repair reported? I.e. are reputable repair facilities REQUIRED to report repairs that cross some $$$$ threshold even if insurance is NOT involved? I have paid for minor repairs several times one was over $2500 and NONE of these repairs showed up on subsequent CARFAX reports.

    seems like a grey area, so maybe there is no way to 100% guarantee your CPO Tesla is "accident free". But a CARFAX report provided to you from Tesla would at leave provide some semblance of due diligence.
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  • Jul 8, 2015
    DCAC
    Hank, could we get the tables to sort by most recent by default? Thanks!
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  • Jul 8, 2015
    HankLloydRight
    Coming in V2.
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  • Jul 8, 2015
    BoerumHill
    Brownie still there at $51.1k.

    And TSLA down 11.57 so far today...
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  • Jul 8, 2015
    sachin86
    I emailed my delivery specialist about the accident and Carfax issue. Here is what she had to say:

    We actually will not certify a vehicle that was in a car accident. No need to worry about that!

    So that's good news! I guess the only way to check is with a paint thickness gauge in case there are any discrepancies.
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  • Jul 8, 2015
    tga
    Full-blown CPO, with additional 2 years/50K miles added to the (still active) original warranty.

    It is possible the original accident occured on a race track, and wasn't covered by insurance. If the owner fixed it out of pocket, that may explain why it doesn't show up on CarFax. I don't know where CarFax gets its accident reports, and what the thresholds for reporting are.

    My point was just that it is possible for a car to have accident damage not reported to/by CarFax. It can be argued that Teslas are so expensive to repair that it is likely for insurance to be involved in all repairs, and for CarFax to be notified.

    But as the disclaimer on their homepage says:

    "CARFAX Vehicle History Reports are based on information supplied to CARFAX. CARFAX does not have the complete history of every vehicle. Use the CARFAX search as one important tool, along with a vehicle inspection and test drive, to make a better decision about your next used car."
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  • Jul 8, 2015
    Buckeye2320
    BoerumHill, If you go to the CPO consolidator site, and on the top right in the search box, you put in the options with a "," and a space between the options you can narrow down your choices

    Ex. CH01, CW01, SC01, RFPO
    This means your looking for the following options
    CH01 Dual Chargers
    CW01 Subzero Weather Package
    SC01 Supercharger Enabled
    RFPO All Glass Panoramic Roof

    Hope that helps!
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  • Jul 8, 2015
    BoerumHill
    Yep, I was playing around with that exact functionality last night on the iPad. Works great!

    (ASIDE - when I asked where the codes were, it's because the opts hyperlink doesn't pop open the box with options on my iPhone. I have to be on a tablet or laptop to see it.)










    Hank (or anyone helpful) -

    Which gray is grey?

    The Old Metallic Grey - Dolphin Grey paint code is PMTG

    The New Metallic Grey - Steel Grey now called Midnight Silver paint code is PMNG

    So when I'm looking at 2012-14 CPO, I presume grey is the classic referred to as Dolphin Grey. But what about 2015 Inventory cars on the CPOC? When did a Dolphin Grey get phased out?



    ETA1: 2014



    There was a really helpful exterior color thread with a link to a gallery. The gallery was called something like "Model S shows its true colors." Was that the T Sportline photo thread or something else? Can't find it at the moment.




    ETA2: Sometime between Vin 37xxx and 52xxx Dolphin Grey was removed.

    P37447
    COL2-PMTG Grey Metallic

    P51536
    COL2-PMNG Grey Metallic
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  • Jul 8, 2015
    Cyclone

    Earlier
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  • Jul 8, 2015
    MsElectric
    This is great news and thanks for sharing. This would be consistent with Mercedes where they will not certify a car that has been in an accident other than a simple bumper mishap. I think it is still best to look up the CarFax as it gives you the original in service date, which is nice to know, and if the car has had multiple owners, also nice to know...
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  • Jul 8, 2015
    HankLloydRight
    I don't have any details on the different greys, sorry.

    I am now looking for 3 or 4 people to "test drive" V2. I'd like to find a few folks who are very familiar with V1 and actively looking for specific configurations of cars. Also, if you're good at testing software. :)

    Please PM me. Thanks.
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  • Jul 8, 2015
    Las Vegas
    Inventory

    Just started digging into the purchase of a MS and, given the exceptional pricing, I've narrowed my search to the 60 and 85. Major thanks to Hank for his relentless and spectacular work in providing us with an alternative site in helping us select the right MS.

    I've talked to a few Tesla reps out of California who have provided me with inventory that is not listed on their pre-owned site. They've quoted me a few other cars in the high $40ks and I've got my eye on a white 85kWh 2013, 32k Miles with 19" wheels, Tan nappa leather, Wood Gloss, Tech package and UH sound for $55k

    After reviewing all the comments on this page, I have to say - I'm tempted on holding out for the end of the year. Prices can only go down is the logic. But I can't resist the MS aura that binds us to the car. It slowly pulls me in every time I think of "delaying."

    Ideally, I'd love to find me a Blue/Grey 85 with Tech package, Pano, Air suspension under 25k miles for $52k. =D
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  • Jul 8, 2015
    Wshowell
    Those prices are assuming the tax credits on the inventory vehicles or without that credit? Since this varies from state to state knowing the baseline price is most helpful. Inventory cars in the low $50's would be VERY attractive post tax credit,,with warranty etc. not so attractive if u r quoting post credit pricing.
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  • Jul 8, 2015
    brantse
    I don't mean to cut in on your edge, but I'd be really curious who these reps are and how to get in touch with them. Based on your description, I'd be very tempted to bite. Unfortunately every car that gets put on the website in the ~$50k price range likely disappears in minutes. It's really challenging to make such a large financial decision in an instant.
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  • Jul 8, 2015
    Las Vegas
    No rebates

    These quoted prices are for those vehicles where the 7,500 tax incentive no longer applies. Any other individual state incentive I'm not sure about. My understanding - if it is a CPO (pre-owned registered) vehicle - the tax incentive cannot be applied. However, if it is a "pre-owned inventory" (a car that has never been registered) then you can take advantage of the tax incentive.

    The cars that have the tax incentive are those loaner/floor model cars.

    I'm in the process of selecting a Credit Union for pre-approval. I was going to trade in my E350 but they gave me a pretty low quote. So I'm just going to take a hit, pay a few grand into it and hand it over to a family member.

    Because of all the new technology in the Model S - I can't see any other car manufacturer coming close to providing that level of technology. These good old boy's prefer the old model - gradual change. Such that a USB port is considered "new technology" or upgrade on a car. Just silly.

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    There is some behind the curtains process going on with the inventory. Hank has caught on to some of the hiccups with cars being taken off the pre-owned site yet still available for sale. Seems that Tesla has plenty more inventory out there - for one reason or another - all that inventory is not making it onto the site.
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  • Jul 8, 2015
    HankLloydRight
    I believe a couple of weeks ago they had a surplus of very low-end S60 Inventory models they needed to unload, so they put them on the CPO site to get more exposure. But from what I've seen, the bulk of "Inventory" cars are 85kWh cars, and a lot of those P85s and P85+s. NONE of those higher-spec'd Inventory cars made it to the CPO website, for reasons I can not guess at this time. But I think we all agree, that Tesla should just put them ALL up on the site, all CPO and Inventory cars. The only reason I suspect they're holding back the CPO inventory is that it just doesn't fit well on their, ahem, inefficiently designed website.
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  • Jul 8, 2015
    Las Vegas
    Your site is significantly better Hank. They should put you on their payroll! Interestingly, I am pretty certain they've already benefited from your work. If your site alone resulted in the sale of 15 cars - we are talking about a Million bucks in monetary exchange! Banks, Insurance Companies, States (DMV), Tesla, Owners, all of them gaining some form of financial gain. =D Rain Maker!

    The cynic in me tells me it is about saturation - Tesla does not want to leave consumers with a depreciating value impression. "Early adopters see Tesla values plunge! Potentially scaring away new consumers" (Just a thought nothing more). Not sure what is the process for a car to eventually make it onto the site. Whatever is going on - I agree - inventory should be unleashed on the site. All of it.
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  • Jul 8, 2015
    SmartElectric
    I was thinking of waiting too, but then an S85 came up in the price range I was looking for, and bam, pulled the trigger within 2 minutes of seeing it on CPO Reports page. Car was only on CPO website for 25 minutes before I took it off! Don't wait. Driving this car is like a dream come true, and I love every minute of it.
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  • Jul 8, 2015
    Las Vegas
    Oh come on Smart, at least show us a glimpse of that beauty! What was included? Mileage? Cost? I'm primarily looking at California inventory. I'm not worried about "transportation fees" since I'm thinking of driving out there for pick up and driving it back to Vegas! =D

    I'm in the process of getting pre-approved for financing - once that is done I'm pulling the trigger. Either the $47/$49K 60 or the $55k S85. Range anxiety? No range anxiety? Range anxiety? Driving me crazy!
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    HankLloydRight
    Do your research about buying in California...I'm not sure if it applies only to new cars, but Tesla has to collect CA sales tax for all cars sold in CA even if you live out of state.
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    BoerumHill
    Correct - its determined by the point of sale (delivery location.) IIRC Fremont is 9.5%, other CA locations may be 6.0-10.0%. That's even higher than the combined rate for NYS/NYC (8.875.) In theory you get credit for the sales & use tax if you register in another state, but very few places will have a higher S&U tax. And no, you don't get a refund if your state is lower.
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    andrewket
    And not all states will give you the credit for taxes paid on other states. Most do. Not all.
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    Drucifer
    If they disappear in minutes, for some people it must be much less challenging to make such a large financial decision in an instant.
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    jtpassat
    yes but those are the same people that are empty inside. at least I say that to myself to help sleep at night :cool:
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    BoerumHill
    Good point. In fact anytime state law is the applicable statute, you should always check for exceptions. S&U tax is anything but unified in the U.S.

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  • Jul 9, 2015
    Drucifer
    ouch. I feel pretty full inside. I didn't start ready to pounce on a MS deal. It was nearly a year of watching the used MS market on autotrader, cars.com and here. Then when the CPO site launched, I found the car and deal that would work for me and I pounced. I hit the buy button within about 10 minutes of first seeing my car. done.

    Like they say, it takes years of work to become an overnight success. In this case it was months of ruminating to be ready to "strike when the iron is hot".
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    dalamchops
    your financial decision needed to have been made way before you even start looking for CPO cars... if you see one that you like then you can just buy it without hesitation.
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    Drucifer
    The decision wasn't 100%, but close. I was still considering a new MS or a 2016 Chevy Volt.

    It was all a matter of risk exposure. Was it worth risking the $1000 deposit to me in the event I changed my mind or if I let the deal pass, would I have felt greater than $1000 of regret for letting it slip through my fingers. The initial decision wasn't the cost of the whole car. It was the deposit and my belief in my being able to see the deal through to the end. No regrets. Like a lot of people, I lose and make $1000s on investments every day (as do most people who have a fair amount saved for retirement or otherwise invested). It is a matter of perspective.
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    BoerumHill
    This is the process I've been going through for about four months. The one wildcard that keeps me from pulling the trigger is waiting on my 16 y.o. to finalize where is going to university fall 2016. We have several campus visits lined up this summer and once that decision is made I'll have more visibility. But if we sell our company before year end, he can go anywhere and I'll be configuring a new 85D.

    F'ing TSLA. Hey, we're climbing again today.

    :)

    Thankfully DIS and several other stodgy performers keep the bulk of the portfolio stabilized.
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    No2DinosaurFuel
    They are holding back to prevent a glut of model s. If you take a look at their storage lot, they have plenty. They are controlling supply to keep cost high. Otherwise they will have to sell these at even a greater loss. Some have claimed tesla gave them more for the trade in than what they are selling on the website.

    So i am sure it is not their website cant handle it. Maybe so, but the primary reason is to reduce precieved supply in an attempt to keep resale value high.

    Btw, great website!
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    BoerumHill
    Interesting side note:

    I've been tracking four Vins. Two have been listed since 4/27 (CPO launch date), one since 5/28, one since 6/26.

    The CPOC only lists the mileage on the date it was listed and does not update it. Tesla updates the mileage on the Pre-Owned site daily.

    For the four I am following:


    1. 14 miles driven since 4/27
    2. 753 miles driven since 4/27 (wow - frequent loaner? Though it's scarcely over 10 miles per day)
    3. 140 miles driven since 5/28 (9 yesterday, 40 more since last night - must be current loaner)
    4. 159 miles driven since 6/26 (similar usage to #2 - this is the only one of the four with AP)

    The first three have had price cuts: $2K, $4.4k, $800.
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    brantse
    I agree with what your all saying, but although I've seen a few cars that I really considered pulling the trigger on, none seem to be slam dunks. For the most part, the cars are appropriately priced for their miles /options and you don't know if a new listing is one that necessarily warrants jumping on immediately.
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    Drucifer
    I didn't want much. Just Green/Tan with every single option available at time of manufacture. Oh, and about $45k off original price with low miles, new tires and a fresh warranty. Really, that was it. I'm not selfish :wink:
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    Cowby
    Yes, I've noticed this as well too, however, i'd gladly welcome the additional mileage if they would just get the prices down further.... :rolleyes:.... and alot faster! :biggrin:
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    HankLloydRight
    This one has 12k miles, all options except rear seats and a decent discount from a new, fully loaded P85+

    85 kWh Performance Model S P35120 | Tesla Motors (this is a "hidden" car, BTW)

    The rear seats aren't all they're cracked up to be anyway, and your kids will outgrow them quickly.

    I say 'just do it'.

    edit: oh wait, you were talking in the past-tense. "Nevermind"
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    No2DinosaurFuel
    Some more less than 50K S60 for those who want one now.

    60 kWh Model S P10875 | Tesla Motors

    $47K

    not much info, but according to the CPO website it looks like it's well equipped.
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    Drucifer
    Thanks for trying to help connect me with a car. Nice, but about $26k more than I paid. That's a lot for '+' and about 5k less miles. 1 year newer though, so also has yacht floor and subzero. Still, $26k is a big delta.
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    brantse
    Just sold. I was on the phone asking about options and trade in, when she said it was just reserved. Not much for options, but it did have TP and leather.
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    spentan
    85 kWh Signature Performance Model S S00692 | Tesla Motors

    Didn't 692 disappear off the list, and now its back again? CPO Sig P85, options are not shown on the website, but Hank's CPO Consolidator picked them up.

    For $62,100, its a great price.

    Options recorded for this VIN:
    AD02 NEMA 14-50
    AU01 Ultra High Fidelity Sound
    BS00 NOBULL00
    BT85 85 kWh Battery
    CH01 Dual Chargers
    COL3-PPSW Pearl White
    DRLH Left Hand Drive
    HP00 No Wall Connector
    IDOM Matte Obeche Wood D?cor
    IZZW White Perf
    PA00 No Paint Armor
    PF01 Performance Legacy Package
    PS01 Parcel Shelf
    RFPO All Glass Panoramic Roof
    SC01 Supercharger Enabled
    SP00 No Security Package
    SU01 Smart Air Suspension
    TM02 General Production Signature Trim
    TP01 Tech Package with/o Autopilot
    TR00 No Third Row Seat
    WTSP 21" Turbine Grey
    X001 Override: Power Liftgate
    X003 Maps & Navigation
    X007 LED Daytime Running Lights
    X011 Override: Homelink
    X013 Override: Satellite Radio
    X019 Carbon Fiber Spoiler
    X024 Performance Package
    X027 Lighted Door Handles
    X031 Keyless Entry
    YF00 No Yacht Floor
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    Cyclone
    Good point. I felt exactly the same way for mine. Researched for months, have a feeling for where I wanted to be and had my "must have" and "like to have" options. When mine popped up, I figured in the worst case scenario, I was going to be out $1k and I could live with that.
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    sachin86
    So there's some bad news because I just got a clarification e-mail from my delivery specialist...

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  • Jul 9, 2015
    Fiver
    Hey Hank, I know you have V2 of the consolidator in the wings, but one subtle nice feature at the top of the page would be a simple "Last updated on <time/date>"
    Thanks!
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    HankLloydRight
    Well, even for V1, it's every hour on the hour. But I can look into adding something.
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    andrewket
    Still beat me by 7 hours.
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    nanimac
    I wonder if these were the limited range 40/60kwh models and that's why the lower price? I never checked with Tesla on what they would have offered me on my 40kwh before I sold it but figured they wouldn't have given me a 60kwh value.
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    andrewket
    They would give you the value of the 40, unlock the battery at zero cost, and sell it as a 60. So it cost them $2 for the "60" on the back :)
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    ModelSFL
    Busy day for CPO sales, 14 Teslas sold. That might the single day record.
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    Las Vegas
    Not certain

    It is unclear if all sold. Some may have been removed from the site by Tesla for whatever reason that we've been unable to determine. Guesses are site glitches/instability, conspiracy theories on Price control by Tesla, etc. Either way, cars are being sold.

    Those 40K+ priced cars are flying off the shelf! Love the CPOO site. Helps keep track of all the activity!
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    13hartc
    Prices are risings and so are the miles!
    High demand upping prices!
    This car is an Inventory car and almost fully loaded including autopilot. I was hoping it would come down to around $69,000 before EV incentives as that is about my max (I want an 85D) and it has autopilot. As a college kid, the payments (after trade in and tax credit) would be about my cost for renting or a lot less then living on campus. With a supercharger on my 90 mile (one way) commute, I would be able to justify the price of the car.

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  • Jul 9, 2015
    jcjj
    24 cars removed at midnight EST and all from Los Angeles. Hmmmm?
    Wonder what is going on?
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  • Jul 9, 2015
    Las Vegas
    Not sure, but Tesla should streamline the pre-owned purchasing process by adopting some of Hank's Tesla CPO consolidator site options. It will empower buyers with significantly more information than what is provided on the Tesla site. I think it will also reduce customer inquiries and ensure people don't mistakenly put down nonrefundable deposits on cars they won't be happy with.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Tesla was testing the waters to better assess demand. This will enable them to better "price point" their inventory.

    I just want them to offer me an 85 with Pano, Tech package, Parking Sensors and suspension under 30k miles for 52k.
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  • Jul 10, 2015
    jtpassat
    you better be quick on the draw cause you won't be the only one pulling the trigger at that price.

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  • Jul 10, 2015
    brantse
    +1. I think there's a lot of hungry sharks in the $50k price range... There's also blood in the water.

    I just wonder what's going to happen with the higher priced CPO's. I don't see enough demand to clear out the inventory. Especially considering the lack of option availability on many of them.
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  • Jul 10, 2015
    jtpassat
    that's exactly why Tesla is controlling the inventory. There are people out there that will say "I can't wait any longer, I can afford the extra few thousand to get it now and I'm still saving lots of thousands compared to new."

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  • Jul 10, 2015
    brantse
    I considered purchasing a leftover ELR that was being offered for about $50k. It had a sticker price of $82k, but was still not worth the price. In my mind, I'd much rather have a barebones S60 with some miles than the fully loaded ELR.
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  • Jul 10, 2015
    HankLloydRight
    Last night the price on 19 cars went up exactly $1,170

    I have no idea why.

    Also, 32 cars came off the TM site, but are still available for sale as "hidden" (or so I assume). I think they're just rotating inventory on and off their site.
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  • Jul 10, 2015
    andrewket
    Any day of the week and twice on Tuesdays.
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  • Jul 10, 2015
    brantse
    Is there any commonality between the cars that got price increases (ie. A unique option that might also have received a price increase?)
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  • Jul 10, 2015
    MsElectric
    Hank, are you listing the "hidden" cars available for sale on the Consolidator?
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  • Jul 10, 2015
    HankLloydRight
    Yes, they can be displayed in V2, which I'll likely release later today.
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  • Jul 10, 2015
    Cyclone
    This could be that the service center the car is at finally got around to running through the car prior to a purchase and is finding things. For instance, my car has dual chargers and my price sheet never mentioned it. The delivery people were as surprised as me when we sat down for the tour and the charging screen said 80A max. Drucifer's car had the same plus white alcantara that wasn't in the specs. So maybe dual chargers or some other spec wasn't in the preloaded options list for the vehicle but actual vehicle inspection found the feature. Remember, the price to get dual chargers now includes labor to install it, so $1,170 could be the "unit cost" of the dual charger.
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