May 1, 2015
HankLloydRight We had our first to price changes detected:
This one makes sense: => Price change P05619: from 75,350 to 74,800
This one is kind of odd: ==> Price change P13717: from 90,750 to 78,000
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May 1, 2015
Drucifer This one with the price change is interesting. It has the same exact equipment list as the one I am getting, same year, approx 10K fewer miles and priced $10K higher (new price). Makes perfect sense, actually.�
May 1, 2015
uisynot I agree, I got pretty much the same config for 66k but my CPO is 26k miles and this one has 15k fewer miles. I would say the price is justified but I wouldn't pay the price difference if given the opportunity, others may feel differently.�
May 1, 2015
Drucifer I will take the $1 per mile discount all day long for the same age car with the same equipment. Find me one with 100k miles and just give it to me for free :biggrin:�
May 1, 2015
Cyclone I'll take that deal too! Especially given the battery remains unlimited miles and the car gets a fresh 4-year/50k mile warranty!�
May 1, 2015
Tamar A few days ago I was able to print a spec sheet for a car...now I don't see that option anymore. Maybe they're selling so fast they don't feel the need to offer that?�
May 1, 2015
SmartElectric This pattern I find interesting.
Four P85+ sold 95K average price in the last two evenings in Washington DC.
That's not far off base P85D money (with rebate).
No other cars sold in that location, even though there is a nice P85 for good price...�
May 1, 2015
uisynot It may be that the dealers are taking them off? Maybe re-evaluate pricing? Otherwise it really doesn't make sense unless some folks really can't wait for a brand new car...�
May 1, 2015
schonelucht A car being taken off the list doesn't necessarily mean that it's sold. The large price drop on that one car may just have been an error in the original appraisal.�
May 2, 2015
davidc18 Watching the pricing as well. Our 70D is on order with a late june delivery window but I am looking for a good deal on a p85 for our second car.�
May 3, 2015
KJD Hey Tesla, how come Seattle only has 3 cars listed ?�
May 3, 2015
Musterion Thank you so much for your awesome tool. The best I can tell is that the "BS" option is "Blind Spot Sensor Package." Some used car listings (non-CPO's) have cited this (here is one example: 2013 Tesla Model S 60 Kwh - White On Tan Interior Panoramic Sunroof - Used Tesla Model S for sale in Winnipeg, Manitoba | autobia.com). If true, only very new cars should have "BS01" as the rumor is that the future blind spot detection/lane change requires some extra hardware, perhaps additional sensors which will be or are only on recent builds. Have you ever seen a "BS01" option on your consolidator? If the above it true, is should be as rare as the auto-pilot versions, and perhaps even more rare. Inspecting older car records from user postings on the web (including my own, see signature), the "BSxx" option is not even listed. The CPO site is using the most recent option list even if the options did not exist when the car was built.
P.S. The only mention of "NOBULL" and "YESBULL" is only on that option decoder site, and their TMC posting indicates they didn't know what BS meant, so I'm guessing the "BULL" part was just made up, and this is related to Blind Spot detection.�
May 3, 2015
Adm Now only two left.... They are selling them as fast as they come online... well almost anyway.�
May 3, 2015
PokerBroker I highly recommend interested buyers to call or go to there local gallery to inquire about available CPO cars. The website is not 100% up to date and there are likely to be available cars that never make the website�
May 3, 2015
EXOTIC1 I'm a buyer on low mile under 25k well equipped P85 for 63-64k and maybe 66k for a P85+
that's the ceiling for me on a buy. If needed i'll wait a few months as it's coming to that level soon.
Consider 110k msrp 2013 Mercedes S550 sells for 54-57 retail and the MS should only be 7-9k above that max.�
May 3, 2015
tga Can a local store/gallery now see out of region cars? A week or two before the CPO site went live, one of the guys at the local store said they could only see New York region inventory/CPO cars. Has that changed with the launch of the public CPO site?�
May 3, 2015
Cyclone Back in March, I sat in a Florida showroom as my Owner Advisor searched each region for a suitable car. The system preselects their region, but they can click the equivalent of "go up one tier" button and to the top level view, which is the region view. Then they can pick a region and then add filters to search that region. Different user interface, but works very similarly to the CPO site.�
May 4, 2015
MsElectric Your reasoning is sound and people have already bought 2013 P85s for the mid 60s. There might already be some cars for you in that price range. If not wait a month or two and you should be able to find one.�
May 4, 2015
HankLloydRight How Are The CPO Sales Going For Tesla? - Tesla Motors (NASDAQ:TSLA) | Seeking Alpha
Gee, I wonder if he really "wrote a small program" or just published information fron my CPO consolidator (and without any credit)?
I seriously doubt "Valueseeker" knows HTML, Javascript, and AJAX well enough to "write a small program" to collect his data. It was not a trivial exercise to figure out how the TM CPO site works, and then reverse engineer the JSON returned to extract all the data that I am pulling.�
May 4, 2015
Drucifer I am sure he is using your program. So have I, although I have provided a link to it if not in the same comment, at least within the thread. I think the data shows clearly that with no marketing or real effort, and just social media "buzz" that Tesla can sell pretty much as many used Model S as it cares to below $60k and maybe below $70k. I thing the demand for Model 3 is probably hard to measure, but is pretty huge.
Interesting that the author takes the same data (which "coincidently" starts when yours does) and draws the opposite conclusion.
The other thing he is missing is the number of people waiting on the sidelines until the supercharger network is more built out, and the number of people who have already decided on Model S and Model X, but are waiting for their lease to end or some other event in their car ownership cycle to occur.
If Tesla has any problem in the intermediate term, it is the strong US Dollar and the potential impact that has on foreign sales and/or margins on foreign sales.�
May 4, 2015
davewill Exactly. I'm pretty sure I want to go Model S, but I won't budge until my RAV4EV lease runs out in two more years no matter how good the CPO deals get.�
May 4, 2015
kyalami Btw, the Consolidator was a tremendous help over the past weekend in helping me figure out which car to go for. As of 2 hours ago, the deposit has been made. Thank you for a great tool.�
May 4, 2015
HankLloydRight
You're welcome! I'll PM you my paypal account so you can contribute to my P85D fund.
Also, on a hunch, I wondered if any cars would move from one region to another, so I had added code to detect movement of cars between regions. We now have our first "Mover".
Car moved P14559: from New York to Washington, DC
I wonder what was behind the move.�
May 4, 2015
Drucifer That seems weird to me. Since they are charging $500 to move 1 region up to $1500 to move a car cross-country with this program, it doesn't make sense for them to move a car without a deposit from a pending customer.�
May 4, 2015
Cyclone The only I can think of is moving cars in and out of Colorado with its incentive program. That is obviously not the case here. Maybe there was room on a carrier already heading between the two? But then why wouldn't it be Drucifer's? Maybe a prospective buyer paid the $500 to have it brought to DC and then backed out of purchasing the car?�
May 4, 2015
Drucifer On second thought, maybe they had room on the car carrier anyway, and figured since there was and extra space, it was a free opportunity to rebalance the geography of the inventory. And yes, it would likely be the carrier that would have my car on it. It would have to be a no cost or nearly no cost to Tesla to make sense to do that.�
May 4, 2015
ahurst So... in Colorado, I can buy a CPO and as long as the original owner lived out of state, I can basically take $6,000 off the price with the state tax credit. Not bad.�
May 4, 2015
9TR 28 cars sold today. Going up since the word seems to be getting out. 17 new ones listed. Perhaps they should have had a bigger announcement.
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My post from a few days ago seems to have disappeared into the ether.
Could I make a suggestion to your excellent data logging site.
In the options page, please expand the details for the change of price information. This is will also be useful when eventually cars are relisted in the CPO program and see if there is any correlation between changing of prices or if they are seemingly random. It may be more sensible to wait for the first of the month when a price drop may be expected if historically this is the case.
For example, display (using made up numbers)
Previous prices recorded for VIN: P05619
2015-04-27 75,350
2015-05-01 74,800
2015-06-01 73,950
2017-03-13 57,500
Cheers,
Mark�
May 4, 2015
uisynot
Most of those cars were over 80k and 90k. I have a nagging suspicion that they were taken off and not sold. Who would buy these when you can get a decked out 80D or low end p85d?�
May 5, 2015
ahurst I see nothing added since 5-14-15 at 22:00 -- P13019.
Is that what everyone else is seeing?�
May 5, 2015
Drucifer They had to be taken off. The odds are that
6 Cars were not sold in Florida at 6:00 pm
3 Cars were not sold in SFO at 7:00 pm
and they are all higher priced vehicles.�
May 5, 2015
Cyclone I really do think Tesla was testing the waters of market demand and is narrowing what is market price. Now we just wait for the repricing of the vehicles.�
May 5, 2015
Drucifer If they are really smart, they are:
1. Disrupting the used market and creating buzz with lower priced cars
2. Selling and clearing out the lower priced cars
3. Replacing them slowly with higher priced cars, after establishing the reputation for having the best deals.
Note everything priced in the $50's is gone. I bet by the end of the month there wont be a much left below $65k�
May 5, 2015
ahurst P51980 is showing no park sensors on the Consolidator. How can that be? I thought those were added at VIN 20,xxx�
May 5, 2015
tga By mid-June, I would expect to see lots of downward repricing. Tesla loves to push out inventory cars at the end of the quarter to make their numbers. I would expect the same with CPO's�
May 5, 2015
Drucifer I agree with that. Low pricing to kick off CPO, it comes up over the month of May and then sometime in early-mid June, the bargains magically reappear.�
May 5, 2015
3mp_kwh It is hard to tell if inventory cars go up any faster than end of quarter deliveries, but it is a pattern.
Parking sensors were an option, all they way until 70D. At P85D, they rolled into the tech package, but that probably didn't cover VIN 51980 (the AP/Tech package unbundling in Oct '14, @VIN 58-59000, I think). So, the vast majority of P2XXXX - P6XXXX cars actually could go either way. These folks were ticking a $500 choice.�
May 5, 2015
ahurst Ok thanks�
May 5, 2015
MorrisonHiker It's not whether the original owner lived in Colorado or not but whether the car has ever been registered in Colorado. For example, an out-of-state jetsetter whose main residence is another state could buy a Tesla for their Aspen home and register it there. While the original owner lived out of state, the car was registered in Colorado so it is no longer eligible for the tax credit when sold to a second party. Likewise, someone could buy the car while living in Colorado, register it and then move to Kansas. You might think the car is coming from Kansas but since it was previously registered in Colorado, the car would not be eligible for the $6000 tax credit.
While it's probably a good chance that cars bought from other Tesla stores not in Colorado were not previously registered in Colorado, you should still probably do a VIN registration search before purchasing to confirm it has never been registered previously in the state.�
May 5, 2015
HankLloydRight Or Carfax would likely tell you where/when it was previously registered.�
May 5, 2015
3mp_kwh Since there are so many P85's, some might find it useful to know that >P2XXXX is also around the VINs where you will first start to see coil (non-air) suspensions, in the Performance package.�
May 5, 2015
Drucifer You do have to be careful of expectations and VIN numbers. I get no autopilot (of course), no parking sensors (expected that), no folding mirrors (didn't expect that) and possibly 1st Gen door handles (need to check on that).�
May 5, 2015
ahurst For the life of me, why would someone opt out of $500 park sensors when ordering.�
May 5, 2015
Drucifer I wouldn't. Only if there weren't a back-up camera...but there is.�
May 5, 2015
HankLloydRight Another big price change:
Price change P11249: from 90500 to 79900
P85+ Grey, 21" wheels, pano, 10k miles.
85 kWh Performance Model S P11249 | Tesla Motors�
May 5, 2015
brianman YMMV. Some of the reviewers like this, calling it "sporty".�
May 5, 2015
brianman 1. Do you have logic to check for spec changes as well (or just price)?
2. Consider adding something to your UI that shows (different color background?) any of the details that have changed (price, spec, location, etc.) for each listing.
We might see a pattern of "overpriced because the mileage was incorrect" or somesuch.
Also...
Looking at the link for P11249, I noticed "Onboard maps and navigation for North America with free updates for 7 years." I wonder if that clock resets for CPO purchase.�
May 5, 2015
9TR Yeah, you're right, sorry. Will be interesting to see if they show back up later on.�
May 5, 2015
schonelucht A forum member reported that he wanted to put down a deposit on a CPO but it turned out the car wasn't yet ready and subsequently removed from the list. Do you track if a vin number re-appears?�
May 6, 2015
HankLloydRight Yes, sort of, I'll explain later.�
May 6, 2015
MsElectric Thanks so much again for putting this interface together. It is so useful and well designed I bet Tesla employees are using your interface to find CPO cars for their customers.
The Tesla interface is completely ridiculous and it was designed by someone who has no clue about how people go about looking for cars with the options and color combinations they want.
Just wish you could somehow display this same information for available inventory cars
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May 6, 2015
Cyclone If Tesla makes the site public, Hank should be able to. The "front-end" inventory search system in the store in nearly identical -- even the region selection and filtering.�
May 6, 2015
HankLloydRight Absolutely!
Or should I say: Abs-so-fricking-lutely!
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Next time anyone is in a gallery looking at inventory cars, take careful note of the URL.![[?IMG]](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/blogger_img_proxy/AEn0k_sX639wBBgzmlzdzGgnTtwzwXnzdVfcH_vVHYK6xLgsqSK43xIdaJM847YYY33tw-ukpGCbLr4zYvO3P8QFzsbxCeEXOkvsmKqQGV1owlTGnvTHX1NxaRtq=s0-d)
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May 6, 2015
clarkbariowa I remember seeing https://inventory.teslamotors.com as the website during the Black Diamond event when the rep opened up his laptop. It looks like teslamotors.com is their internal and external domain name. No A records or external access for this site yet.�
May 6, 2015
MsElectric I hope they open up the interface for inventory cars or at the least hire Hank to design a similar UI to pull up available inventory cars
I honestly feel bad each time I have them look up cars for me because it is a huge waste of time based on the idiotic interface on the Tesla Web site. I look up available cars about every 7-10 days so if something comes up in between I am going to miss out.
Why would a "Technology Company" make their interface so useless, manual, and laborious... I'm glad we have a better developer on this forum than whatever committee at Tesla that designed the interface
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I did. The URL was pretty straightforward as it is on their Intranet but is behind a username and password screen. I almost made a note of the username and password but decided not to do that
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By the way some of the prices on the CPO site make no sense. Look at this pre autopilot P85 for example. They are asking $93,500 for it and at that price with the $7,500 rebate you can buy a brand new 85D nicely optioned for less and the 85D will have the benefit of all the newest improvements and enhancements.
http://www.teslamotors.com//models/preowned/p46387�
May 6, 2015
HankLloydRight Last year when I bought my inventory car, my sales person did the search for me, and sent me an excel spreadsheet with all the info extracted from their system. It did have all the relevant info for each car (options, etc), and the perfect car I wanted was on that first list, so I never had to go back a second time. But they really should allow open access to the list, maybe with some disclaimers and caveats you'd have to agree to first.
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"No waiting"
The same lame excuse most people try to use when posting cars for sale here on TMC that are way over-priced.�
May 6, 2015
Father Bill My CPO MS is now at the Dealer in St. Louis. Just a bit of detailing and getting the financing completed until I can pick up my new CPO MS. I will have to take and extra dose of Lunesta to get any sleep tonight....
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May 6, 2015
HankLloydRight Is a front place required in IL? Either way, I'd ask them to replace the nosecone with one that hasn't been drilled.. and then leave it up to you to mount (or not) a front plate.�
May 6, 2015
uisynot I would have them put a new nose cone for you so that you can install the plate below the nose cone and not have two large holes in it.�
May 6, 2015
MsElectric That is good to know. A spreadsheet would be ideal for my needs to figure out a good option. Did they list their entire list of available inventory cars on the spreadsheet or did it list a few cars close to what you are considering? Did they have to do something special to get you "the spreadsheet" or is it something readily available? Just wanted to figure out what they have access to before I ask for the information. A spreadsheet listing the available inventory cars with the available options is definitely the way to go as opposed to using their clunky interface.
Yeah good luck with that "No Waiting" argument�
May 6, 2015
Cyclone This is the site I saw as well. I made sure to take a note of it and try it at home.
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Your car is gorgeous! Congrats. Mine is beckoning me. I got my plane ticket to fly up and pick it up already, and today my DS got me the final purchase paperwork, so now I just need the date to come. My lender finalized today too and is overnighting me the check.�
May 6, 2015
MsElectric Wont work. It is not a public DNS mapping. It likely goes through their internal DNS server/VPN.�
May 6, 2015
HankLloydRight It was a small subset of cars that "matched" what I was looking for (color, options)... none matched exactly, but one was very, very close (no parking sensors or cold weather option), but close enough I bought it*. She just emailed me the spreadsheet with 6 or 7 cars listed.
Do you own a car yet, or still just looking for a second?
* I installed the front camera kit for parking, and who needs rear seat heaters? Heated steering wheel wasn't even a known option when I was buying. So I pretty much ended up with the perfect car -- more car than I ever would have bought (P85+) for LESS than what I was looking at for a new car (85 or P85).�
May 6, 2015
ahurst http://www.teslamotors.com//models/preowned/p01471
This doesn't look bad but it's a 2012.�
May 6, 2015
uisynot Yeah that one won't last long.�
May 6, 2015
HankLloydRight Another price change:
Price change P41105: from 105,250 to 99,950
85 kWh Performance Model S P41105 | Tesla Motors�
May 6, 2015
Cyclone Yes, exactly. Sharing my continued confirmation as others have stated the same.�
May 6, 2015
Cyclone This one looks interesting.
85 kWh Model S P07709 | Tesla Motors
Almost like optioned like mine (minus air suspension, plus Tesla paint armor) with 8k less miles, but only $3k more. Sounds like a reasonable car.�
May 6, 2015
ahurst I'm a bit limited in choices as I really need power folding mirrors.�
May 6, 2015
Cyclone I think it can be retrofitted to any car for about $2,250. Probably worth asking for a price quote for a service center and plan on that costs if you need them. Then if the car you pick ends up with them, you save the retrofit cost.�
May 7, 2015
dhanson865 I wonder what it'd cost to swap obeche wood decor to one of the black trim options at the service center?�
May 7, 2015
Cyclone Quite likely more than the $650 that it originally cost have obeche wood matte when the car was built. My car is coming with obeche wood glass. If ordering new, I would get the obeche wood matter. That said, I wasn't going to let the little bit of trim deter me from my CPO purchase.�
May 7, 2015
MsElectric You might get a better deal going through a Tesla approved body shop that can order parts. If you find out, please let us know! I've wondered the same as Obeche Wood is the only trim that I barely like.�
May 7, 2015
lolgas I'd go with the matte as well. I have piano black and although when it's clean it looks good, it's a dust and fingerprint magnet.�
May 7, 2015
HankLloydRight Price change P38707: from 101,250 to 100,300
85 kWh Performance Model S P38707 | Tesla Motors�
May 7, 2015
HankLloydRight A user over that the Telsa forums took my data (with credit!) and produced a bunch of charts and stuff:
CPO cars are selling like hotcakes | Forums | Tesla Motors
Pretty cool stuff.
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Also a good articles here (mentions the consolidator):
Tesla CPO Offerings Get Organized | CleanTechnica
and
Tesla CPO Consolidator -- Tesla Owner Creates System To Easily Sort Through Entire Used Tesla Options By Various Parameters −�
May 7, 2015
MsElectric Hank, I wonder what percentage of their car sales come directly from your link
After using your interface going back to the Tesla interface is like going from an EV to an ICE...
Thanks for providing this great service and I hope Tesla pays you big bucks to help overhaul the interface of their CPO Web site!�
May 7, 2015
HankLloydRight Like I mentioned above, I'm waiting for the Tesla Affiliate program to kick in.
And I don't need big bucks... but I will take a P85D in trade for my P85+.�
May 7, 2015
justaddsun Parts alone is $2600 per my SC.�
May 7, 2015
patp You should take a look at this solution : $299
Accent-I: Interior Dash Trim Appliqué Kit | Aftermarket Accessories for Tesla Model S�
May 7, 2015
EVenthusiast The $55,850 S85 in Seattle was listed as sold for a while, but looks like it just got back on the market.�
May 7, 2015
HankLloydRight I detected one VIN to move from "sold" back to "available":
P02564 Seattle 2012 S85 Black Solid Panoramic 19 Base tan 18,633 miles $55,850 (same price as before)
Date removed: 4/28/2015
85 kWh Model S P02564 | Tesla Motors
edit: Woah.. you're pretty quick there, EVenthusiast! How did you just happen to notice?�
May 7, 2015
HankLloydRight two more "unsold" cars moved back:
==========> VIN Moved back to Available: P48906 from hub: US;California;3 to US;California;3 ; from $75600 to $75600
==========> VIN Moved back to Available: P17047 from hub: US;Washington;1 to US;Washington;1 ; from $92250 to $92250�
May 7, 2015
EVenthusiast I remember this car because it was one of the cheapest sold. Decided to check pricing again tonight, and that's when I noticed it was back on the list. So it was just pure luck I caught it before you did.�
May 7, 2015
kyalami HankLLoydRight,
You are the man! The consolidator is directly responsible for me ordering the car that I did!...Great tool....kudos!�
May 7, 2015
ahurst
? Buyers getting cold feet ?�
May 7, 2015
Drucifer I could see in the used market that a buyer could put a $1000 deposit on a credit card, and then fail to qualify for financing vehicles at these price points. Heck, that even happens with new Model S in the design studio. I have always suspected that a number of "inventory" cars are actually "failure to qualify for the big car loan" cars.�
May 7, 2015
KJD You should say it was on the market a short period of time. I just bought it about 10 minutes ago. Seattle here I come.
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May 7, 2015
Krrphx Nice! Congrats!�
May 7, 2015
Cyclone Welcome to the CPO Tesla family!�
May 7, 2015
abasile Very, very happy for you! It is always nice to see a fellow LEAF early adopter moving up to a Tesla. I'll follow eventually.�
May 8, 2015
EVenthusiast Were you already watching that car, or did my post make you check (trying to calculate Tesla's Affiliate Affiliate revenue
It's a hell of a deal on a really nice car, so congrats!
I also noticed how many of the low mileage cars are located in Washington DC. What's going on there?�
May 8, 2015
KJD I have been checking the Tesla CPO site and the Consolidator page every day since they went live. (sometimes every hour) After watching Tesla production for the last 3 years, it was just more than I could take. I have to have one now and this seemed like a great deal on an 85 with low mileage.
Right now I plan to drive this car for 4 or 5 years and then maybe upgrade to a new one. Anyhow I am super excited to be getting a Tesla soon.�
May 8, 2015
MsElectric Anyone care to venture a guess as to how many CPO cars they have in the pipeline? I have a feeling they likely have 3,000-4,000 cars and they are slowly introducing them to the market and they seem to want to keep the number of vehicles in their public CPO inventory to about 175 cars.
I wonder how long it would take until the Ds start showing up there. Likely not until the Model X ships in numbers.�
May 8, 2015
Cyclone Personally I hope it will be a while before any Ds show up (at worthwhile prices compared to new - tax credits). I say this not because I'm drooling over dual vs. single motor (would prefer dual, but not a deal breaker for me), but I was salivating for months over TACC and Autopilot. I would hate to find out I should have waited a couple weeks to get that for a "steal" of a price! If we don't see any Autopilot CPO cars in 2015, I won't have any regrets.�
May 8, 2015
MsElectric It will likely happen within the next year. I bet some will trade in their Ds for a Model X and as they did with the Model S CPO they might wait until they have a batch of Ds available before introducing those into the CPO program so you likely have no cause to "worry"�
May 8, 2015
Cyclone Thanks! Honestly, the only things that I have some regret about are TACC and Lane Keeping. Both of these would have been great for long road trips and traffic jams. But, they weren't worth the discount I got to drive the safest and most exhilarating (reasonably) obtainable car!�
May 8, 2015
HankLloydRight Another unsold car:
==========> VIN Moved back to Available: P16385 Illinois Original Sold date: 2015-05-06�
May 8, 2015
Cyclone Aren't we actually making the assumption that when it was removed from the list, it was sold? I mean, it could have been put on some sort of hold (inventory cars can get a 24 hour hold), could have been reinspected and something needed to be addressed, it could have been earmarked for location transfer and then put back in the CPO inventory without moving (maybe no truck was available soon). It is most likely that it was sold when the cars disappear from the site, but all we really know is that they were removed from the listings - nothing more.�
May 8, 2015
EXOTIC1 THX
I've decided to hold out out and get a P85+ but sticking to the 65-67k range on this via private party and under 25k for miles. I know it's coming in the next few months with all the lease returns as the market will adjust and pvt party sellers will realize the asking prices of 75k-77k for cars are not selling.�
May 8, 2015
HankLloydRight Another "unsold"
VIN Moved back to Available: P52857 hub: Illinois�
May 8, 2015
MsElectric Honestly I think you are going to have a hard time finding a P85+ in that price range. Tesla has pretty much discontinued RWD and the P85+ models seem to be desirable pricewise amongst a group of RWD enthusiasts who like to go sideways. Yes, the P85+ prices will go down but if you are looking for a deal with the most value I think your best bet are the P85s.
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I bet a bunch of these are people who put down a deposit and then walk away from the cars for whatever reason or they might be switching their deposit for another CPO car.�
May 8, 2015
EXOTIC1 �
May 8, 2015
HankLloydRight Maybe on Friday afternoon they wouldn't think people are paying much attention.
==========> VIN Moved back to Available: P12718 hub: Illinois Original Sold date: 2015-05-06
==========> VIN Moved back to Available: P16108 hub: Illinois Original Sold date: 2015-05-06
==========> VIN Moved back to Available: P16385 hub: Illinois Original Sold date: 2015-05-08
==========> VIN Moved back to Available: P27598 hub: Illinois Original Sold date: 2015-05-06
==========> VIN Moved back to Available: P31824 hub: Illinois Original Sold date: 2015-05-06
==========> VIN Moved back to Available: P33795 hub: Illinois Original Sold date: 2015-05-06
==========> VIN Moved back to Available: P49757 hub: Illinois Original Sold date: 2015-05-04
==========> VIN Moved back to Available: P52857 hub: Illinois Original Sold date: 2015-05-08
==========> VIN Moved back to Available: P49944 hub: Florida Original Sold date: 2015-05-04
==========> VIN Moved back to Available: P50298 hub: Florida Original Sold date: 2015-05-04
==========> VIN Moved back to Available: P51264 hub: Florida Original Sold date: 2015-05-04
==========> VIN Moved back to Available: P52280 hub: Florida Original Sold date: 2015-05-04
==========> VIN Moved back to Available: P25199 hub: Florida Original Sold date: 2015-05-06
==========> VIN Moved back to Available: P31707 hub: Florida Original Sold date: 2015-05-04
==========> VIN Moved back to Available: P38387 hub: Florida Original Sold date: 2015-05-06
==========> VIN Moved back to Available: P38460 hub: Florida Original Sold date: 2015-05-04
==========> VIN Moved back to Available: P38472 hub: Florida Original Sold date: 2015-05-04
==========> VIN Moved back to Available: P41500 hub: Florida Original Sold date: 2015-05-04
==========> VIN Moved back to Available: P42093 hub: Florida Original Sold date: 2015-05-04
==========> VIN Moved back to Available: P47761 hub: Washington Original Sold date: 2015-05-01
==========> VIN Moved back to Available: P48065 hub: Washington Original Sold date: 2015-04-30
==========> VIN Moved back to Available: P48943 hub: Washington Original Sold date: 2015-04-30�
May 8, 2015
3mp_kwh I'm learning, but can anyone educate whether CPO warranties generally apply only to the buyer, where those first 50,000 miles belong to the car, no matter how many owners? Is that typical? A Tesla phone rep just told me the CPO warranty applies "at the mileage on the first day the car is delivered, to the first CPO purchaser." I take that to mean selling any of these cars at 50,001 miles means selling without a warranty. IOW, it does not transfer. It would be good if the website made this easier to find? I couldn't. Thanks.
Hank, I agree with other comments about 'removed' being better than 'sold'. Those higher VINs have have gone away in batches, too.�
May 8, 2015
Cyclone 3mp, the warranty starts with 4 years or 50k miles (whichever comes first) from the day you accept delivery of your CPO and the mileage already on the car when you accept delivery of your CPO.�
May 8, 2015
EVenthusiast I think what he's asking is if the CPO warranty is transferable, should you sell your CPO vehicle, while still under CPO warranty.�
May 8, 2015
3mp_kwh Actually, I'm trying to say it is not transferable. Then, seeing if that's how others understand it, or what they've also heard.�
May 8, 2015
HankLloydRight +++++++++++> Car moved P07683: from Florida to Georgia�
May 8, 2015
Cyclone Page 5 of the "model-s-preowned-warranty.pdf"...
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Also on page 5...
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May 8, 2015
NOLA_Mike See page 3 of this document - it is transferable
Edit: Cyclone beat me to it but I'll leave the link to the CPO Limited Warranty Document�
May 8, 2015
Cyclone Thanks Mike! That's the doc. I downloaded the night I bought my CPO, but didn't keep the link. Glad you did!�
May 8, 2015
dalamchops there goes that signature p85 w/ 50miles for $65k�
May 8, 2015
dhanson865 Good option but the black is $379 not $299. Still might be cheaper than the service center.�
May 8, 2015
Fiver Hank you need to put a little paypal donation button on your site. Something that says "If you like this site buy me a beer!" I'd kick you $5 for saving me hours of time trying to navigate that terrible Tesla CPO site. I'm sure plenty of others would too. You probably won't get rich from said button, but you'd surely pick up some decent bar money. (or enough for some nice dinners at least).
/edit Or if you're too modest, donate the funds raised to a noble charity and earn yourself some karma points.�
May 8, 2015
ahurst Wow�
May 9, 2015
MsElectric I am quite certain she'll be pleased with the P85. Unless she is track racing that car the extra you pay for the plus package IMHO is a waste, especially considering that the straight line acceleration of both cars is just about the same. Tesla seems to be charging at least a $10K premium for cars with plus package and unless your wife likes to drive sideways I'd look for a P85 and get a nice deal on one with some nice options.
And here you go. This is your car and you can buy it today for $67K. It is a 2013 P85 in Pearl White with the Pano Roof, Tech Package, Air Suspension, and premium sound. For current CPO cars this is as a good of a value as you are going to get. What are you waiting for? This is in the price range you had mentioned. Just buy it
http://www.teslamotors.com//models/preowned/p05357�
May 9, 2015
kuttakamina First of all, Hank - that CPO consolidator is awesome! Huge thanks!
My reply is an observation, and some questions.
Observation -
I've been trying to come up with a formula Tesla uses to price the CPOs. But I can't seem to come up with any logic.
Consider these two cars,
#1. Washington DC: 85 kWh Performance Model S P08188 | Tesla Motors - 30K miles, 19" wheels, matte, grey, dual chargers $72K
#2. Chicago: 85 kWh Performance Model S P05357 | Tesla Motors - 17.5K miles, 21" wheels, carbon fiber, pearl white $67.4K
From what I can tell, rest of the options are identical. The locations are different, but the tax laws at both places are similar, and probably so are the buyers.
As it appears, with the exception of dual chargers, car #2 is a more expensive car, with nearly half the miles. Yet its almost 4K cheaper!
This does not make sense to me. Did I miss anything?
Question(s) -
1. Will Tesla consider adjusting the price, considering their own prices are in conflict?
2. What do you think will be the transport cost from Chicago to DC? I live in DC, so the other issue is, I am not going to buy the car without being able to see it in person.
3. What is the condition of the tires on the CPOs? Do they put new tires on like other dealers do?
4. A general question - is the build quality of the newer 2015 cars better than older cars?
I've been reading these forums in great depth, and people seem to complain about small nitpicks here and there esp. around build quality.
You may love Tesla's to death, but my 8 year old Acura has never given me any issues outside of oil/tire/brake changes. That said, I baby my cars and 8 years later my car is still in showroom condition.
I want to get a Tesla to get newer technology, better ride, get off gas and polluting our planet, to stop funding the very people who hate us, and support the American economy.
Tesla is expensive, a bit of a stretch for me, but as long as it doesn't have reliability issues, I'm happy.
Thanks everyone and hope you are having a great weekend!�
May 9, 2015
dalamchops 8188 probably has folding mirrors, "B" Battery pack for 120kw charging�
May 9, 2015
kuttakamina Are you sure? Folding mirrors were introduced at P12142 (ref: http://my.teslamotors.com/en_EU/forum/forums/power-folding-mirrors-retrofit-price-12002400-euro-16003200)
Either way, it still doesn't justify the price difference. The wheels alone are $4500 more.
Plus folding mirrors IMO are in the same category as the mercedes headlight wipers.
They will probably break down the road, they suck in winter, and I don't mind hand-folding them when I need an extra 2" on a 50 feet wide car (rare!)
Anyway, your point withstanding, folding mirrors even if they are there, still don't justify the price difference.�
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