Dec 12, 2014
gpetti I got some details from my DS who seems very sympathetic. Firstly he has no information about what is happening with my car but he could tell me that the car would be shipped with the original nappa leather seats. The only information he had on my delay was because of the next gen seats so he was also at a loss to understand why my car is still held up if it doesn't have the Recaro seats. Secondly, it will definitely not have the heated steering and he is still getting a strong indication that this feature will not be retrofitted. He is still trying to find out whether this is a policy decision (so potentially changeable) or a technical issue.
I've decided that given the indefinite nature of my car delivery that has been building for 21 days and that will come without the new seats (for now) and without the heated steering wheel (no retrofit) and which seems to have some unknown flaw that is holding it up (doesn't bode well for the future) - I'm going to cancel and re-order and join Lola in the 2015 sweepstakes. Haven't pulled the trigger yet but will consider over the weekend.�
Dec 12, 2014
breser I think you should ask to speak to a regional manager if you aren't happy with the answer next week. Make sure they're aware of your timing situation and see what they can do. Now that it seems that car are being delivered, I'd like to think they can work with you. If you delay much past next week they may not be able to help you though.�
Dec 12, 2014
wk057 Yep, I'm with you probably, but I likely will not actually rejoin the delivery lottery if cancel. Until they start having a car I can walk in and buy, I think this is the last order I place with Tesla. This process is just too chaotic and makes little sense.
However, I did offer to my DS that I would rather take delivery with the old seats (upgrade them later) than not take delivery at all. I could care less about a heated steering wheel... that's definitely not a make or break item here.
My irritation with the situation has gotten me to the point where I fired off an email to Jerome Guillen explaining my situation and intentions. Nothing against my DS. He seems to be doing the best he can with the info he has. The problem seems to be that not even he has the info, and being the main point of contact for me that seems a bit unacceptable. Not his fault, probably, but looks bad on Tesla none the less.
Hopefully I get a response from Jerome directly, although at this point I'll be kind of surprised to get any new info at all any time soon. Next week next week next week just isn't going to fly.�
Dec 12, 2014
MarcG Sorry for the delay in responding to this, I was trying to install my roof rack with ski/snowboard and bike attachments before sunset (success! and more photos to follow).
For now, here's a photo of the charge port and a video of how it closes by itself a couple of seconds after unplugging a charging cable:
EDIT: almost forgot, here's a photo of the "About" screen showing version 6.0 (2.0.76):
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Dec 12, 2014
breser Awesome! Thanks for answering all our curiosities. Looking forward to having this on my 85D.�
Dec 12, 2014
sundoc Thanks for the all the pics and updates MarcG�
Dec 12, 2014
breser Love the car name.�
Dec 12, 2014
commasign Very cool. Thanks Marc!�
Dec 12, 2014
gg_got_a_tesla Since I've been getting only generic updates from my otherwise-friendly and reasonably responsive DS, called the Fremont Delivery Center at (510) 249-3650, option 4.
Spoke to Taylor there who said that he has only slightly more visibility than the DSs based out of Palo Alto. He was sympathetic and heard me out but, couldn't explain why my car's stuck "at the end of the line" except for quality control reasons. He did know about @MarcG's car's delivery this morning but, suggested that that was the only P85D delivery at the factory today! @MarcG, did you see anything to the contrary?!
Taylor offered the option for Tesla to FedEx the title transfer documents that I could then send back with the loan check, thus effectively taking delivery in 2014 sight unseen; this is if it looks like the car won't make it by 12/21 before I leave town. Tesla would then deliver the car to my home once I'm back in the new year and I could take a factory tour anytime I want. He understood the VIN year change concern but, only offered that the cars are really the same and having one of the first few P85Ds amounts to something.
Let me see if something changes in the next 3-4 days. In the meantime, I'm planning on walking in and taking delivery of a VW e-Golf this Sunday to replace my wife's ICE car (this second EV buy has a tale of its own but, that's for another thread); ironically, a stone's throw from the Fremont factory in the nearby Newark auto mall :sigh:�
Dec 12, 2014
Firewired I know it is abother thing to potentially break, but that is so cool!�
Dec 12, 2014
MarcG Hehe, thanks. It's a reference to Flash Gordon, the superhero in red, in case it wasn't clear! I mentioned this in my delivery walkthrough video, which I am in the process of converting to a more manageable upload.
In the meantime, I've posted photos of my rack installation in another thread below so as not to pollute this one with non-P85D specific topics:
Ski/snowboard and bike rack on my P85D�
Dec 12, 2014
commasign Lol. Missing the Next Gen seats. No heated steering wheel. QC issues.
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Dec 12, 2014
sundoc off topic... but what charger is that? Handle is completely different from the ones I've seen.�
Dec 12, 2014
benjiejr @MarcG, thanks for taking the time to post pics and videos. That auto charge port door was very nice! I know you've got better things to do than post here, but it certainly helps me survive this painful wait!�
Dec 12, 2014
MarcG It's from ClipperCreek. I installed it a while back for our Leaf & 500e, so I'll use it to charge at home for now.
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Thank you very much! Pleasure to share my experiences and give back to this awesome forum. Here's to hoping you all get your P85Ds very soon!
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No evidence of another P85D, sadly... hope you get yours shortly! By the way, it was indeed Tyler who did my delivery walkthrough this morning. You'll get to see him in the video once I finish uploading it.�
Dec 12, 2014
bnsky.us Hi, My P85D (Vin 64008) is "In Production" !!!, Message changed today! Can't Wait! Still scheduled for Dec 27 delivery!�
Dec 12, 2014
rays427 Marc,
How is the traction with the 19" Tires?�
Dec 12, 2014
wk057 I think I'm going to start sending Tesla HQ a Nerf missile for every car that is delivered or comes out of production before I get mine to symbolize [insert something profound here].
Amazon.com: Nerf N-Strike Elite Mega Missile Refill Pack: Toys Games�
Dec 12, 2014
Andyw2100 I'm not at all caught up on this thread yet, (I was travelling today and got to test drive a P85D myself--more on that later and elsewhere) and I'm guessing others may have also commented on this already, but THAT IS AMAZING! I can't tell you how much I appreciate that. I won't be getting a delivery walkthrough, as my P85D is going to be trucked to me. So I imagine once you get your video online somewhere, I'll be watching it over and over again, and getting my wife to watch it too! Thanks so much for doing that!�
Dec 12, 2014
danbur (oops, originally posted this in the thread with MarcG's ski/snowboard photos... my apologies...)
OK, I am on the spreadsheet (63808) but haven't yet posted yet to this thread but thought now was the time.
I received the final price sheet today, and have been told that my car will go into production this weekend. The DS has been noncommittal on delivery... just quoting "late December", yet the final price sheet says "on or about 12/18. Interestingly. a bunch of other cars destined for Denver, CO some to be a bit ahead of mine but not yet delivered so maybe they are trying to group together.
By the way, this is a multi-coat red P85D, tan interior, grey 21s, and fully loaded expect for the 3rd row. Traded in my first Tesla.. a red/tan P85+ with 790 miles that I received in September. Currently driving the other half's ICE in the meantime.
MarcG... glad to see a red one delivered!�
Dec 12, 2014
Todd Burch First: MarcG, congratulations. I am beyond jealous.
Second: Did you all see the Model S nameplate at the bottom of the door in MarcG's pics? I think that's new!
Third: Ok, I'm going to rant. If you don't want to see it, move on. This is not directed at anyone in particular.
What's with all the whining guys? Jeeez. Many of us Model S old timers waited 3 YEARS for our Model S. You've been waiting a few months at most and sound like Tesla has murdered your first-born. For the love of God, get some perspective folks. You're about to take delivery of the fastest sedan on the planet. Built-to-order from the internet. Quicker than all but the most elite of cars, period. Consider this car is ALSO among the most efficient cars on the planet. Consider it's arguably the world's most advanced car, at a price point for its performance that is amazing. You're going to get free fuel.
Do you all understand the remarkable engineering achievement that the P85D represents? The Model S when it first came out was a remarkable achievement in and of itself. From a performance perspective, this car is an engineering triumph on a whole new level. In just 2.5 or so years, Tesla has literally leapfrogged 110 years of ICE performance innovation. Literally all of the old class performance leaders have now been completely eclipsed by the new guy (track performance remains to be seen--but this car's made for driving--not tracking!)
Stop the whining for a moment and think about that. The fastest sedan on the planet, and it can seat 5+2. It has 1.5 trunks. The Audi RS7 used to be the benchmark of sedan performance. Now it's the P85D. Think about that again. The car that 2 months ago was the quickest sedan on the planet is now chasing you.
I understand the frustration of expecting delivery and planning around it, only to be let down. I've been through it.
But please recognize that Elon wasn't kidding. Building cars in freakin' HARD. Bulding cars for demanding buyers used to expensive performance/luxury cars is even harder. Guess what? Building cars to order, with new technology and a new company--as the new guy--is an order of magnitude HARDER.
Tesla is not perfect. We all know that. They can improve, no doubt. But Tesla wants to get these cars in your hands. They want nothing more than that. They're not playing favorites, nor trying to favor some at the expense of others. Manufacturing is just a complex beast. The reasons for the delays are usually complex and you will likely never know the full complexity of the reason why your car took 4 weeks longer to build than some other guy. The wait, in the end, is in your best interest and you'll forget it when you take delivery and switch to INSANE mode.
Just take a moment, breathe, and relax. Whether you get your tax credit this year or next...whether you have the car before your vacation or not...whether your car is a 2014 or a 2015, or has a heated steering wheel...get some perspective. You're going to be owning and driving among the most bitchin' cars on the planet.
Be happy you can afford this car, be thankful that there are a lot of bright people at Tesla that put in sh*t tons of hours a week at work to make this car as awesome as they can. And take pleasure in knowing that *this* Model S "veteran" is ridiculously jealous of you.�
Dec 12, 2014
AlMc Good way to channel one's frustrations.......................along with that letter to Jerome :wink:�
Dec 12, 2014
MarcG So far so good. Haven't been able to spin the tires yet, and the roads were wet today! Can't wait to test it in the snow on Sunday (if any is left on Lake Tahoe roads...)
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Happy to help! It's going to be a 2-part video due to the GoPro splitting them after 4GB each, but it should be done tonight. Stay tuned!�
Dec 12, 2014
Todd Burch You either forgot to put it in insane mode, or Tesla's torque vectoring is even better than we thought!�
Dec 12, 2014
MarcG First: Thanks!
Second: Yep, I posted it on Tuesday in the "P85D sightings / test drives" thread after I drove the P85D that Corte Madera received Monday night.�
Dec 12, 2014
Firewired @wk057. Nicely said.�
Dec 12, 2014
wk057 OK, I'm good for now. I sent 50 nerf missiles (5 packs of 10) to the factory from Amazon with a witty gift message. Maybe I'll send some to Devon too...
Code:5 items will be shipped to Tesla Factory by Amazon.com. Guaranteed delivery: Dec. 15, 2014�
Dec 12, 2014
Jgdixon This jacket doesn't say P85D on the back.�
Dec 12, 2014
amzng_ev If you are mentioning the jacket that said P85D on the back, it is a normal jacket with custom embroidery.�
Dec 12, 2014
K85D My P85D is finally in production - delivery 12/28 in Maryland - just went in tonight!
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Dec 12, 2014
MarcG Congrats! Nice choice of colors/whees/roof/calipers ;-) exactly like mine!
OK I think part 1 of my delivery walkthrough video is ready, let's test:
Gosh I think I said "okay" over 1000 times... sorry about that! Lots of questions asked though to cover all bases.
Hope you enjoy it and find it useful!�
Dec 12, 2014
Firewired Sorry if this is a basic question. Where is everyone getting an actual possible delivery date from? I have been in production since 12/06, my DS won't commit to any date. My dashboard just says, "late December." I looked at all the paperwork and it doesn't show any dates there either. Thanks.�
Dec 12, 2014
MarcG Part 2 is ready as well!
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Dec 12, 2014
gregsapphire Did you upload it in HD as well?�
Dec 12, 2014
sundoc Thank you for the videos and awesome info!
Going to watch them now�
Dec 12, 2014
benjiejr Hey Rich, take a close look at your Purchase Agreement. It's on the Final Price Sheet page at the top. It's pretty hidden. Hope that helps bud.�
Dec 12, 2014
Drron I posted on another thread but perhaps I should have posted here. I sent my DS an email tonight asking about why nothing has changed on my Dashboard since October 22nd. About an hour later around 8:00 tonight I was no longer just in the queue, it said the factory was now producing my Model S. I then sent a second email telling my DS that I saw that 3 Teslas were being delivered to Tampa on December 27th according to posts by the prospective owners. I suggested they might add my P85D to that truck to make an even 4. We will see what he has to say. This was great news as it makes my December birthday and Christmas this year comparable to the Christmas where I received my first 2 wheeled bike---a beautiful green Schwinn. I was also getting a bit worried as I sold my 2012 Mustang last night which leaves me sharing my wife's hybrid Ford C Max (slightly faster than a Prius). I hope many others waiting have a great December too with a Tesla in their stocking before the end of the year! Dr Ron
Silver P85D, silver 19" wheels, Pano Roof, black leather 2nd Gen.seats, dual chargers, tech.package, audio upgrade,piano black, white headliner, console�
Dec 12, 2014
PlanB That Tesla needs gray 21"s stat.�
Dec 12, 2014
Firewired Ben, yeah just double checked. My order and confirmation dates are there, but no specific delivery date. Interesting, glad I am not going nuts. Thanks for the help.
PS - just heard after 3 days in paint finally moved to general assembly. So seeing some slow progress.�
Dec 12, 2014
wk057 Considering I seem to be the only one remaining vocal about the issue, I'll take it as directed towards me.
First, I really don't care that you and others waited years for the Model S. That was your decision to do so and no one forced you to. Therefore, that point carries absolutely zero weight with me. I vote with my dollars, and Tesla is close to losing them.
Second, I take offense to the whole "whining" term that has been thrown around here since it is nothing but demeaning and unnecessary in context. I bring up valid issues, on topic, and get pretty much get called names? You folks have already alienated one forum member who was vocal about these issues.
Finally, my gripes with Tesla are completely justified. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean I'm wrong.
If I don't take delivery in 2014 the tax credit is useless to me in 2015. My tax situation really is none of anyone's business here, but suffice it to say the credit will not help me in 2015. So, there is a $7500 hit if delayed that long.
I'm on vacation with my family. I've had two delivery dates scheduled so far (three really, but the middle one was quickly changed), both of which I worked into my vacation plans, and both of which have been missed with no details, essentially screwing up two weekends worth of plans (since they were both Fridays meaning travel would be Thursday through Saturday). I'm trying to cut a hole in my vacation to get the car when it is ready, and the closer it gets to the end of the month the more of a pain in the ass that 1200 trip is going to be. The originally quoted 12/5 date worked nicely because it was early in the month (less holiday traffic hassle) and prior to my scheduled travel.
Then it turns out that vehicles are being delivered and while others put into production and completed all of which are people who ordered and put down a deposit after me. That's a bit of a slap in the face to me. "Yeah, you've been in line, but wait more while these people behind you cut in front."
I mean really, I'll be paying over $133k for their product. Regardless of how awesome the end product is doesn't excuse the issues, lack of communication, and inconsistencies.
Sure, it'll be great when I finally have it, but I don't, and the combination of all of the above is irritating. I understand that there are many folks here who are TSLA investers (myself included up until recently) and don't want the bad press, but, I'm not going to sugar coat the situation just for the sake of people not wanting to hear the truth about it.�
Dec 12, 2014
Andyw2100 I have no idea if the post you are referring to was directed at you or not.
But I just want to say that I've been following your situation all along, and definitely feel for you. I think you've made very valid points, and are certainly not whining. I'm guessing there are many others like me reading this forum who agree with you, and understand where you are coming from, and just aren't saying so, mainly because there hasn't been a reason to. I just wanted to let you know how I feel.�
Dec 12, 2014
gpetti Awesome, thanks for all the work though I'm guessing it's a labour of love.�
Dec 12, 2014
Andyw2100 As I mentioned briefly earlier, I wound up test driving a P85D today. You can read about it here: P85D sighting / test drives - Page 28�
Dec 12, 2014
wk057 Thanks�
Dec 12, 2014
randompersonx I also mostly feel the same as you. The communication is terrible and the whole process is very irritating. Tesla asks me to hurry up about trading in my car, but won't answer about delivery. Next week. Next week. And I am left to wonder if I have a car that was manufactured wrong with some serious problems and some half decent manual repair attempt. It's probably nowhere near as bad as I imagine, which is why tesla really ought to give some information on what is happening.
That said, I really do not want to cancel.
edit for accuracy: tesla has actually extended my trade in deadline until the end of the month, but has not waived the 250 mile limit. I guess I can drive 10 miles per day, until hopefully I get a car from tesla. Not the right experience on a 130k purchase.
It it has nothing to do with the wait, if I were told it was a January delivery, I could plan for it. I was told December, and not that I would have a Frankenstein car.�
Dec 12, 2014
commasign I'm with you too wk057. Your issues are legitimate, not "whining". The delays are understandable, but the lack of communication and "let's make this right ASAP" attitude has been especially disappointing.�
Dec 12, 2014
Drron I am not sure how Tesla's production line works but many years ago when I worked at the Ford Dearborn plant during the summers while in college, I noticed that cars that were completed but had some problems were put in a special area where the problems were fixed by a couple workers rather than being placed back on the much faster assembly line. The workers were much slower since it was truly hand assembly work and unassisted by fancy machines. Perhaps that is what happening with the defective seats that were installed. Just a guess. Dr. Ron�
Dec 12, 2014
redox My suspicion is that they are not investing resources in fixing those "early line cars" and instead directing them to produce other cars that are destined to be shipped around the country.
This will allow them to put as many cars on trailers as possible and then do Fremont-delivered cars, in order to maximize the number of people that can take ownership of the car in 2014.
Fun fact: my 12/3 delivery date was cancelled right after I wired the full amount to pay off the invoice. No news since.
Communication is clearly not their strongest suit. Unfortunately they are alienating some of their best ambassadors.
-- Greg�
Dec 12, 2014
Alysashley79 I've taken a tour of the tesla factory (for those that haven't...everything is automated down to the very end on the smart cars and then the car will roll off it at the end for the testing course which is handled 100% by humans and not by any of the robots and there is an area the cars are sent to if there is a problem and then depending what it is it may go back on the smart car back to the assembly line. At least this is how things were handled a year ago when we took our tour)�
Dec 12, 2014
crazybrit Amen to that!�
Dec 12, 2014
DPDsModelS +1
Thank you for trying to give us newbies some perspective. Seriously, we are all really fortunate to have these "first world problems!"
That being said, the issues that Wk057, commasign, gg, etc. are complaining about are real & very frustrating! If you go back to the days while people waited years for the first MSs, you may remember some of the same sentiments back then. I was originally had sequence number 2,176 of the General Production preservation list in 2010, but I bailed because I got tired of this crap!
I am sure that we'll all quickly forget the angst of waiting without proper communication shortly after our heads snap back into our next generation seats! Yet, if people can't vent their frustrations here, then where?
PS- thank you MarcG for taking the time to post your experience today! You really helped ease the anxiety of dropping so much $ and not knowing exactly what we are getting and when it's coming.�
Dec 12, 2014
wk057 @DPDsModelS - You're VIN is only 18 higher than mine and you're relatively close... I'll be curious as to what you experience relative to my own.�
Dec 12, 2014
CanadaEV Besides its remarkable technical achievements, Tesla is relating to its customers for the most part as human beings who are part of a great adventure together with the company. I see so many owners who are astonished that any company could relate to them in such a human way. They think it's almost impossible because of how poorly they are accustomed to having big companies treat them, and think it's written in stone somewhere.
And, this adventure with Tesla has much deeper meaning than most corporate/consumer relationships. It is a shared experience with the goal of making a real difference in the way we treat the Earth and the way we'll leave it for future generations. And we actually get to have enormous fun doing it.
Very little of this is about me, me, me, which the standard corporate model encourages in us with so much propaganda about greed being good.
I get it about the frustration. My 85D isn't due until March, so I'm not even thinking about it as a reality for me yet. But as the time draws near, I know I won't be immune either. When that happens, I hope I'll remember to "Just take a moment, breathe, and relax," and temper my impatience with some of the gratitude this great company deserves.�
Dec 12, 2014
scott2613 I didn't know this until I saw your response to Firewired, so the got a copy from my leasing company that they filled out on Dec. 10th. It says delivery on or about Dec. 16, 2014 and the Delivery Specialist said that she still thought delivery would be around the middle of the month which is the same date she gave us shortly after the order was placed (Oct. 10). Perhaps the Chicago cars will be arriving around the middle of next week.
I've spoken with her a total of three times and have decided not to bother her again. I realized the delivery specialists are kind of in the position of the wait staff at a restaurant when something blows up in the kitchen. Not their fault but they end up having to absorb a lot of the the stress. For me, the wait is part of the fun anyway.�
Dec 12, 2014
Todd Burch Wk057, like I said, it's not directed at anyone at particular and you are certainly nowhere near the only one with complaints. Not saying you can't post about your frustrations. Not saying some frustrations aren't legitimate. But at times there tends to be a fairly large "but what about me? I paid $xxx for this car and..." attitude from some here (not saying you) without recognizing that:
A) Everyone else paid $xxx or thereabouts too,
B) Stuff happens, and
C) Sometimes handling the problems from (B) in a truly "fair" way just isn't practical.
And no, waiting almost 3 yrs for my Model S was not a choice. If it were my choice, I would have driven away in one the day I saw the prototype.�
Dec 12, 2014
wk057 It was certainly a choice. Your options were: wait indefinitely (3 years as it turns out), or not wait and cancel. You obviously chose the former. Driving off in a prototype was obviously not an option, and thus not part of the choice to wait.
While I doubt the wait will be 3 years for the P85D, everyone still have the choice whether or not to wait. Tesla can't force anyone to buy their cars, nor can they force or expect anyone to wait an unspecified amount of time for delivery.�
Dec 12, 2014
gpetti I think it was directed at me too. I've become increasingly vocal about my annoyances as well. I'm not under a time constraint so I may have been less vocal than wk057, but I was tempted to point out that Todd also has the ability to "move on" if he doesn't like the "whining". Glad I resistd that urge :smile: but it has occurred to me that maybe some of us that are stuck in the same boat could start a separate thread so that we don't pee on any one else's parade. I think for now though we should continue here as our experiences are probably still relevant and interesting to others. I don't necessarily disagree with Todds overall philosophy, I just don't think that negates our right to identify problems,anomalies and issues with the process. I also think that the Tesla we have come to know and love wants to be seen a a serious player, not a new startup. They don't aspire to mediocrity and they probably don't want to be known for the motto "we are doing the best we can but car making is hard!" . With that in mind I will do my best to communicate to Tesla why I think this was badly handled and my views on how this could be better handled in th future. I thinking that this is also one of the objectives shared by many people on this forum. We care about the car and the company and we seem to hold them to a higher standard than others companies we deal with. I for one have never spent this much time on a forum before.�
Dec 12, 2014
LetsGoFast Much like with the complaints that got spun off into their own thread, I really think that no one would really mind the various delays and technical problems if they were managed with more clear and consistent communications. At least that is true for me. I feel like the only way I get any information is to proactively contact my DS and even then it is hit or miss at best what they are able to tell me. It also puts me in an uncomfortable position of trying to decide if I am being unreasonable by calling them every four or five days. Having the delays wrapped around the holidays and the deadline for tax credits and new year VINs is also a complicating factor.
I guess I'm kind of in the middle. I totally get the frustration some people express and I'm fine with them venting here from time to time and I also understand and appreciate the perspective of the "old timers" who point out that ultimately this wait is nothing compared to what they went through.�
Dec 12, 2014
tezco Believe it or not, communications are better now than with the initial Sig production run, but there is still some room for improvement. My Sig reservation was 509 if I remember correctly, but the final VIN revealed that I was more than 300 behind my adjacent reservation holders. There was a vague mention in TMC about occasional cars that were not up to standards, were scrapped, and rebuilt from scratch. There also was an issue with the quality of the white leather Tesla originally received from their supplier. Personally, I was glad my car was late but perfect, instead of on-time but blemished. Everyone would like to see a linear build process, but it just doesn't happen in the real world. I imagine it's a mad scramble at the factory this very minute.�
Dec 12, 2014
Andyw2100 Earlier, Todd, you wrote:
After some back and forth, you wrote:
Which brings me to some old posts that I stumbled upon because they were pointed to from a recent thread:
Not really too "whiny" yet, but certainly complaining. Though no one could say you didn't have a fair point.
Later we have:
Personally I think that's bordering on the "whiny." With reason, of course.
And you wrote to Tesla. (Or called them. I didn't read the entire thread, but you actively tried to get Tesla to change their policy.) And then look...
The subject of that thread has been edited to:Resolved: Prepaid Service Plan Initially Not Transferable (now prorated)
and this note has been added to the first post in it:
The complaining (or venting or whatever you want to call it) that you did on the forum was about an issue important to you where you thought you were being treated unfairly, exactly as some of the people posting in this thread feel they are being treated unfairly now. You then tried to correct the issue by going straight to Tesla, as some of these posters have done, or have talked about doing, and the result was a better, more fair policy for everyone! You got everyone who buys a service agreement a better deal! Thank you!
In my mind these situations are similar, so it just strikes me as ironic that you are taking a position kind of on the other side on this one when these guys are basically trying to do exactly what you did about a different issue.�
Dec 12, 2014
tezco Let's take a deep breath and get back on track...you guys will be so hyped when you receive your new cars. I'm jealous...�
Dec 12, 2014
LetsGoFast I wouldn't disagree with the idea that I'd like things right either. However, it would be easy enough to send a message to anyone whose car was pulled for any QC-related reason that indicated that it was the case and to provide an estimate of the average and/or worst-case delay scenarios. And to update with a similar message when the car was corrected or if there was a significant change to the projected schedule.�
Dec 12, 2014
gpetti I have tremendous respect for the real early adopters and sympathy too. I'm not sure if I would have been as patient. The problem is that there is always someone worse off no matter what the situation. I'm sure the original roadster owners rolled their eyes at the model S early adopters - though some were the same people! My others point is perhaps more important, I.e. We shouldn't measure Tesla today against Tesla 2 years ago. And while we can be patient and understanding - to a point - with a company we love, that would be easier to do if we knew what was going on. In the absence of any useful information we grasp at straws and share information here which leads to the realization that we are not necessarily being handled fairly in some cases.�
Dec 12, 2014
tezco You've got to be very careful with your official releases these days with the press hanging on every word.
Tesla and I share a common fault--I always underestimate the remaining time to completion. 64 years and I haven't learned the drill. Hopefully Tesla can improve on this. It's great that they are so willing to share an estimated delivery date, but their track record with regards to the launch of new product could be improved.�
Dec 12, 2014
evboost I received my "final" MVPA for my P85D today along with the "Make final payment" button showing up on MT. My MVPA is showing a 12/17 delivery date even though MT still shows my car as being in the queue.�
Dec 12, 2014
AllenWong Watching you guys complain about delivery times is hilarious. When I ordered my Aventador, I'd never test driven one nor sat in one. I'd only seen it in person once when the Lamborghini CEO did an unveiling event in NYC. And guess how long the wait list for that car was... 13 months with a $50,000 deposit. So getting my P85D in about 2.5 months with only a $2,500 deposit is like a walk in the park. So, please. Chill. I get the frustration, but it's just a car! It's not like they're holding your baby hostage.�
Dec 13, 2014
mastaace +1: I am on the verge of bailing on this thread because this complaining is getting us off topic. Guess what, we are all waiting for our deliveries. We all know Tesla has to improve communication but venting on this thread over and over is getting old. If you have a complaint, I think it's reasonable to post it, but stop beating it to death. We get it. If it some people don't get their car before 2015, you will cancel. It's your loss.
That's fine. We understand the tax issues. Start a new thread.�
Dec 13, 2014
YTACHI I confirmed my ordered P85D in Japan just now.
Ordered: 11/30/2014
Confirmed: 12/13/2014
Estimated delivery: n/a
Scheduled delivery date: n/a
Actual delivery date: n/a
Delivery location: Tokyo, Japan
Color: Red
Wheels: Silver 19" Cyclone
Interior: Tan, Piano Black, Next Gen seats, White headliner
Options: All except 3rd row
Trading up from: n/a�
Dec 13, 2014
raumgleiter hi cjk
3 days ago my delivery date changed from february to march 2015. i have also quite a low vin 66629 (switzerland). i am excited, where the first model s d will be delivered. i sold my s p85sig a few weeks ago, so i am counting days till delivery. it would be great i you keep in touch about delivery dates
best wishes from switzerland
raumgleiter�
Dec 13, 2014
WarpedOne No, they are not. They are only filtering out the noisiest ones. Who will be very noisy when tesla does something they dislike.
To all the whiners (yes, it is correct word): we here cannot do anything about it. Why do you complain here to us, over and over again?
Yes, you paid big buck. Yes, you are waiting. Yes, things could be better. And no, we cannot do ANYTHING to help you out. Clear?
NOT A SINGLE THING!
So, why than you do not stop making noise? Go complain where it might help - tesla store, manager, tesla corporate and report with any response you get. But no, you repeatedly complain here.
It is one thing to report that you are (still) waiting. That is informative on situation. It is a completely different thing when every second post is of same forum members still whining they still did not received anything and they will abandon ship if yada yada....
Shut up or put up and cancel the order and again shut up.
I'm am not here to read how some rich **** is crying because he still didn't receive his new toy. I'm here to read how some other rich *** did receive it and what it is like to smell, see, touch and drive!
@MarcG: I have a request
Can you take a film of your dashbord doing a 0 - xxx run, with 'fullish' battery and on dry pavement?
I'm interested in max power this beast can spew.�
Dec 13, 2014
Bilardo hi, when did you order your car ?�
Dec 13, 2014
Checkcaptain So I was 3 weeks later than you. Still have no VIN assigned:crying:�
Dec 13, 2014
Todd Burch Like I said, many frustrations are valid and that's fine. My post was primarily aimed at those who are just complaining about the fact that their car is x weeks later than originally expected.
I'd hardly call my situation (in which I had lost $24k at the time due to low insurance valuation and the lack of a prorated refund) comparable to those who simply have to wait a few extra weeks to get their awesome car. But I've made my point, many disagree and that's fine. I'll let this thread get back on track.�
Dec 13, 2014
REBroker MarcG, huge congrats on the car and thanks for the awesome feedback and videos! I've consumed all of it and I'm very grateful
One question if you don't mind, as a first Model S owner what are some negative things you have found with the car? I know you love your P85D, but if you had to pick a couple of things that you are not fully satisfied with, which would they be? Thanks.�
Dec 13, 2014
lolachampcar A few observations-
Due diligence will properly bracket Tesla's ability to do anything "new" by an exact date. If you were up to speed, you would know the drill. You would also know that highly volatile publicly traded companies can not say ANYTHING useful about delivery unless they do so to everyone at the exact same time. Put differently, individual Delivery Specialist channels can not yield useful information about the real cause for a delay. You will only get this information in something like a blanket email from Jerome.
A person can always cancel if Tesla's performance does not meet their financial/timing requirements. In the extreme case where the numbers swing as much as they do in some owner's cases, I suspect Tesla will even refund the deposit. Like in any contract, circumstances are fluid and you must be willing to loose opportunity costs if things reach a point where the deal is no longer viable for you.
This was put differently by another poster - energy is best spent where you will get a return. If you feel posting about the problem will motivate Tesla more than it will garner criticism from other forum members then post away. It has been my experience that I get more heart ache from negative feedback from my peeps then positive response from Tesla. There are exceptions but, for the most part, bitching on the forums has been counter productive for me.�
Dec 13, 2014
AlMc Back on track: P85D VIN 65007 went to 'in production' overnight. Will be delivered Dec 30th 10am. Devon. PA.
It will be my wife's car (AWD). I have the first world problem of having to settle to drive my RWD 85P+:wink:.
Having positive thoughts for everyone in production, produced and in 'inspection', and yet to be produced and delivered by Dec 31st�
Dec 13, 2014
lolachampcar Yea baby!!!!
ViN
5YJSA1H28EFP68187
Oops, premature excitement. This appears to be a 2013 ViN.........�
Dec 13, 2014
Aargau My p85d just switched from in production to beng prepped for delivery. vin 64190�
Dec 13, 2014
zzzzdoc Nice.�
Dec 13, 2014
xy46 Todd - thank you! I am waiting for my P85D to be delivered by year end and have been quietly reading all these posts being anxious as everyone else for their car to enter or exit production and be delivered. I am personally waiting for mine to exit production and hopefully deliver by 12/29 when I will end my vacation early to fly into Chicago to pick it up. Your post is a great reminder to keep things in perspective, at least for me, and to stay focused on my excitement of becoming a new Tesla owner. The Tesla grin remains strong!�
Dec 13, 2014
OConnorStP MarcG -- your videos are completely wonderful. Thanks for doing all that work on the first day of owning your car.�
Dec 13, 2014
LaTache If I cancel and reorder, do I lose my deposit?�
Dec 13, 2014
meltoots Thank you SO much MarcG! That was a super cool thing to do to post those videos. I hope you are loving Flash!
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Agreed. Though I am over the top excited, I can wait a few weeks. For those that are looking for the tax incentive for 2014, or sold your prior car or stopped your lease, rent a car. If you are in this market, you have to be flexible. Seriously, it smacks of really whiny children not getting their toys when they want. We all want our cars, they want to get them to us, they just want to make sure they are in working order and I am sure trying their best to make it fair. For some of you, lets remember, you cannot exert your will on everything. Sometimes, its out of your hands. You delivery day will come.�
Dec 13, 2014
LaTache I'm 64183 in production since 11/25 and still anxiously awaiting for my dashboard to change, trying to be patient, but sooooo hard.�
Dec 13, 2014
Madartist Congratulations! But it does look like a 2014 VIN. Hmmm... Maybe you'll get a surprise Xmas delivery? :smile:�
Dec 13, 2014
andrewket 2014�
Dec 13, 2014
xy46 I would be frustrated, too - particularly with the lack of communication. Delays can happen for lots of unforeseen reasons that are valid, but Tesla's failure to be transparent with you in providing more explanation would not be acceptable to me, either.�
Dec 13, 2014
lolachampcar Note to Tesla sent regarding the 2014 ViN. I suspect they are trying to fill in some slots that have opened up as a result of delays (thinking Osama etal but hopefully not WK - I'm still rooting for your 2014 delivery)�
Dec 13, 2014
randompersonx I suspect they just assigned the sequence number, and the year is a placeholder until the end of this year. But what do I know�
Dec 13, 2014
MarcG Thanks guys! Hmmm, couple of negatives... let me think about that.
Well I've only had the car for less than 24 hours so I'm not used to this, but I really wish there was some regen possible on the brakes. Maybe I will get used to feathering the accelerator eventually, but for now I feel like I'm losing some energy by braking without the opportunity to regen.
Oh, and I really wish the seats had more side bolstering. Wait, I think Tesla sells those now... Wait, I thought I ordered them too?!? ;-)�
Dec 13, 2014
J1mbo @MarcG How would you describe cornering hard under power?
While the standard P on 19s is tail-happy, I would expect the D to feel like it is on rails, but with most of the power in the back, it could still oversteer?�
Dec 13, 2014
MarcG Yes sure, but I'll have to wait till the roads dry out here. Hopefully this afternoon!�
Dec 13, 2014
Todd Burch Within a few weeks you will be able to time it right so that you can let up on the accelerator and come to a near stop without touching the brakes. That's the joy of one pedal driving!�
Dec 13, 2014
MarcG Haven't had the chance to test it on mine yet since it's been raining, but in the test drive I tool on Tuesday it did feel super stable - no oversteer that I could tell. I'll obviously have more feedback in the next few days & weeks�
Dec 13, 2014
randompersonx @MarcG:
Does the regen still max out at 60KW?
Does it feel like the regen braking is coming from the front, rear, or both?�
Dec 13, 2014
anticitizen13.7 I think there's a world of difference between a whiny child who wants something given to them, and someone who paid a six-figure sum (likely of their hard earned money) for a product that had a promised delivery date.
It may be beneficial in the long run for Tesla to experience the fury of customers now, while vehicle production volumes are still low. This gives them time to correct what IMO are issues with communications, specifically giving customers clear and consistent information on what is going on with their product order. Tesla is no longer in the league of a startup in a garage or kickstarter project, and hasn't been for some years.
What's going to happen with Model X? Model 3? This stuff needs to be resolved, or there will be an order of magnitude more angry customers when the company is trying to ship 5-6k vehicles/week.�
Dec 13, 2014
NigelM This is a valid point. Sure, there's a fair amount of hand-wringing in this thread that comes out of nervous excitement and some of us might find that tiresome but.....Tesla is changing the world and they have made mistakes and will make mistakes, we do them no favors by sitting patiently on the sidelines when they fail to live up to promises; when Tesla fails customers should hold Tesla's feet to the fire and push them to do things better. I recall Elon saying that Tesla wanted to know when customers were not happy, I believe he meant it.
We all need to vent now and again and there's nothing wrong with an ocassional vent here, repetitive venting turns to whining so let's avoid that, but valid discussion on issues and problems is both justified and welcome.�
Dec 13, 2014
P85 Really nice of you to share, MarcG. Awaiting delivey in March, and still visiting this site several times each day.. Your sharing of information, videos and photos makes the wait a lot easier
One q.. did they really remove the possibility to turn electronic driving aids off? No more drifting and playing?�
Dec 13, 2014
NigelM I've noticed a couple of small comments here and there so I'm re-posting this for those who didn't see it in the original thread:
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Dec 13, 2014
MarcG Yes to the first question. No idea on the second! How would I be able to tell?
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As far as I can tell, yes - there is just the option to "slip start" but I guess that's limited to low speeds?�
Dec 13, 2014
wk057 @AIMc - It will be interesting to see if our statuses coincide. Essentially, if yours is done production before mine then I'm going to assume there is going to be a pretty serious problem getting my car before the year's end.
@MarcG - Definitely curious as to the max regen power as well (like, decelerating from at least 65 or 70MPH). My P85 has gone a hair above 60kW in the past under proper conditions (warm, mid-charged, heavy decel), but theoretically the P85D should be able to hit the 80-90kW range when the battery conditions are right, although I'm not sure they would have made this possible or not since even 60kW is already a lunge forward. I believe the charge taper would allow this high power below maybe 60-70% charge? Theoretically anyway...
@NigelM - Thanks
@others who have been supportive - Thanks
@trolls - Internet troll personality study: Machiavellianism, narcissism, psychopathy, sadism.
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@MarcG - Looks like you answered the regen question already. Thanks. Although I'd still be curious as to if it regen's differently/more at a lower state of charge.�
Dec 13, 2014
randompersonx When braking is coming from the rear, the car should mostly stay level. When braking is coming from the front, the nose will dive down proportional to how much braking force is being applied.
I suppose the air suspension might make this impossible to tell now that I think about it though.�
Dec 13, 2014
wk057 I've expanded my Nerf missile shipments to include my DS and Elon Musk, as well as the original one to the factory. All orders included a nerf missle gun, enough Nerf ammo to bring down a small country, and a note along the lines of "Use these against those who are holding up the Ds!"
I also ordered a bunch of stuff for Toys for Tots while I was at it.�
Dec 13, 2014
ariporad Makes me smile every time... let us know when you get a tracking number.�
Dec 13, 2014
ArtInCT Hey, can you send me a Nerf Missile set too.... I am about 11 months out from ordering my P85D and need something to pass the time..... ;-)
That puts everything into perspective now doesn't it?
PS: I can send you my shipping address....
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MarcG:
Did you have time to examine the quality of the paint job? It looks really good from the video.... ("OK" ;-) but on close inspection,
is it all smooth as silk?
Did yours have the heated steering wheel? You did get the subzero package I see.
Also, on your charge port hatch video, exactly what type of connector is that which you have? It does not look "Tesla ish"
Great luck with the new toy....
BTW, I cannot lie.... when you put that board and bike rack atop the P85D.....
well I kind of grimaced...
It does break up the lines of the car... ahem.�
Dec 13, 2014
tezco I believe some folks found a fuse they could pull to disable stability and traction control on the earlier cars. I love to play in the snow in my old Audi (which only has traction control), but it's getting harder to find a safe place to do it around here.�
Dec 13, 2014
MarcG I did inspect the paint job before accepting delivery and it looks perfect.
No heated steering wheel unfortunately, but I'm totally fine with that since it wasn't part of the subzero package when I ordered it.
I was using an EVSE from ClipperCreek in my charge port video.
And finally, I agree the ski & bike racks take a little bit away from the smooth lines of the Model S, but I personally value function over form! That being said, I will probably not leave the rack on at all times (especially during long trips to eliminate extra drag and wind noise).�
Dec 13, 2014
maddog1762 Ordered: 10/13/2014
Changed: 10/24/2014
Confirmed: 10/24/2014
Estimated delivery: December
Scheduled delivery date: NOT YET
Actual delivery date: NOT YET
Delivery location: Raleigh, NC
Color: Red
Wheels: Silver 19" Cyclone
Interior: Tan, Piano Black, Next Gen seats, Black headliner
Options: All except 3rd row
Trading up from: n/a
Wait for it! 63954, I am excited, but whats up with this?
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Dec 13, 2014
stevesol MarcG,
Thank you so much for all the information! I'm curious about the range that shows up on your dashboard when you charge to 90% for daily use (or whatever level you charge it to).
Thanks!�
Dec 13, 2014
ArtInCT
I keep learning all the time here on TMC.... was not aware of the EVSE from Clipper Creek.
Wonderful about the paint quality. As it should be then...
Go drive the crap out of that car and report back.
I signed up for a test drive of a P85D in NYC but may pass on that.... traffic in the CITY around Xmas is
just horrible....
Again thanks for the information and you should perhaps make a new thread called MarcG's P85D Experience kind of like a running blog.�
Dec 13, 2014
fviken Congratulations! This is exactly the same spec as I ordered, except for the piano black (went for carbon).
Please post pictures when you get it, as I live in Norway and won't get it until late March, 2015.�
Dec 13, 2014
crazybrit Hear Hear! Well said.�
Dec 13, 2014
Firewired I am at the 7 day mark today and just keep checking the dashboard thinking, "switch, switch, switch!" I know it will happen when it happens.�
Dec 13, 2014
MarcG Haven't gotten to 90% or 100% yet but will definitely post when I do (probably in a different thread though, just to keep this one focused on delivery tracking).�
Dec 13, 2014
lsnetman FWIW I was at the Dania Beach, FL SC today. Both my cars (see signature below) are in production and both are in their system as being delivered 12/26. The DS had no information (or at least would not share) as to whether the NG seats would be in the D car. I saw no D's while I was there.
Also FWIW, for those of you trading in MS's, you can have the SC remove your center console without any reduction in trade-in value for installation in the new car. Minor, I know, but $600 plus tax is still a nice savings.�
Dec 13, 2014
MarcG Great idea, so I stop "polluting" this thread!
Actually, could the mods perhaps help and move my post-delivery posts to a new thread? Thank you�
Dec 13, 2014
crazybrit Thank you Nigel (my namesake, and I suspect, fellow countryman)�
Dec 13, 2014
Vitaman Marc, the video was brilliant.
To be honest at first I couldn't tell who the DS was and who the Marc was!
You seemed as knowledgeable as him.
Made me realize i need to watch more delivery vids so I don't embarrass myself with stupid questions, or worse forget to ask important ones.
I am impressed that you took the time to do all this when the day could have been just about you and your new car.�
Dec 13, 2014
crazybrit My guess is that they have to have traction control enabled because it is the algorithm that decides how the power is distributed front to rear. With it off, what do you do? Can't freewheel the front motor for example.�
Dec 13, 2014
breser Depends on the circumstances. You'd have to have that discussion with Tesla.
My bet is the VIN generator is still set to 2014. My VIN for my 85D originally came out as a 2014 and then updated to 2015 later. Seems like a later pass goes back through and updates them. So I agree with what randompersonx is saying.
If you distract them you might never get your car...
To the people complaining about people complaining. Just let them vent. It'll all be over soon enough.
With respect to precision of delivery dates, I'm ready for my 85D to be late.�
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