Thứ Ba, 1 tháng 11, 2016

Model S Delivery Dates and Sequencing part 21

  • Dec 12, 2015
    miamibeacher
    This one had a picture. But like the rest it was just a stock photo with the "options".

    After I put the deposit I asked for the service records and actual photos. The photos were in the garage so not that great. The service records though, wow. The CPO service was extensive:

    New drive unit
    New battery
    New wheels and tires
    New door handles
    New tail lights
    New brake pads
    New windshield wipers
    Updated software
    New mobile charger


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  • Dec 12, 2015
    Cyclone
    Lucky you. I still have not received my service records and I asked again in October. Maybe it is time to ask again.
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  • Dec 12, 2015
    miamibeacher
    I was given them in 3 days. Definitely time to ask again.
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  • Dec 12, 2015
    miamibeacher
    For those interested the price was $62,700 + $750 for delivery
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  • Dec 12, 2015
    taurusking
    This is exactly why I am hesitating to jump on the band wagon and buy MS with auto pilot....My wife keeps telling me wait for couple of years or less and there will be version 2 of autopilot hardware......But like any Tesla fan...waiting is the hardest thing to do :biggrin:
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  • Dec 12, 2015
    HankLloydRight
    I'm perfectly happy with my non-AP P85+ without parking sensors or folding mirrors.

    And I'm happy to wait a few more years until there's AP V2, bigger battery, upgraded touchscreen/console, A BETTER BROWSER ;), and whatever other features are added between now and then.
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  • Dec 12, 2015
    spectrablue
    New Locations?

    I saw that there is now a choice for "Missouri" in locations.
    This was news to me...

    I hope this means the new store that opened on the Kansas City Plaza!
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  • Dec 12, 2015
    tga
    New England is now a choice. Used to be lumped into New York.
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  • Dec 12, 2015
    HankLloydRight
    You guys are quick!

    Tesla added two new Locations: New England and Missouri with 24 new cars listed, and they changed the key for Washington, DC, causing the consolidator to miss any new listings, so that's been fixed (you may see a 'Wash, DC(old)' location name in the history table).
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  • Dec 12, 2015
    taurusking
    :biggrin:hahaha...I am with you Hank...Guess we both are going to buy at the same time...+1 to all the options you want
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  • Dec 12, 2015
    freeewilly
    Does Tesla maintain or check their CPO website at all? The image of this black Sig Model S has been incorrectly edited for many days, and no one corrected.
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  • Dec 12, 2015
    Cyclone
    That's the Sig on DC I was thinking about. Someone reported a couple pages back that it is actually Sig Red. No color is listed at Tesla and its uses a stock image without a color overlay, which is why it looks weird.
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  • Dec 12, 2015
    andrewket
    Wow, with a new DU and battery you probably got a good deal.
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  • Dec 12, 2015
    freeewilly

    Oops, I must missed that post. Going to punish myself, and start reading the post from page 1 again.
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  • Dec 12, 2015
    Electric Joe
    Were all these service items part of the CPO preparation, or are these things that had been done over the life of the car? Some of those items seem impossibly expensive to be part of a routine CPO prep. New DU and battery? That makes the car largely new despite the low VIN if it was done last week. I wonder if those were replaced two years ago or something like that.
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  • Dec 12, 2015
    freeewilly
    Agree, if these items are done due to CPO prep, it's practically a new car.
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  • Dec 12, 2015
    bigbear
    What does standard second row mean? It's listed in the options of this MS.
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  • Dec 12, 2015
    DougH
    I have pointed out to Tesla a error on another car listed on their CPO site, the issue has not been corrected....make sure you get pics and verify all options with your sales person before you plop down $1K.
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  • Dec 12, 2015
    HankLloydRight

    I have no definitive idea about this, but for a very short period, Tesla offered "Next Gen" rear seats and then withdrew it... it might have been for higher VINs... this option code might signify that this car had the old gen rear seats. But that's just a guess.
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  • Dec 13, 2015
    swaltner
    "Standard second row": for a brief time, they offered "executive seating" as an add-on for the ?premium interior? package. This seating option switched the rear seats out for just two rear seats. In addition to differentiating between standard and performance rear seats, they could also be referring to the executive rear seats.
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  • Dec 13, 2015
    miamibeacher
    I was trying to attach the Service Records, but all the good stuff is on page 4 of the CPO work. Page 1 - 3 is just door handles and charger connectors.

    The car was traded in in August and this work was done in October.
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  • Dec 13, 2015
    Cowby
    u sure it wasn't the 12v battery that didn't get replaced instead of the main 85 one? I'd check your "A" vs "B,D,etc" battery to be sure as the original one most likely was an "A" version......and if they really did replace the main battery, then u got a steal!!!
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  • Dec 13, 2015
    miamibeacher
    Based on the service records, they did both the high-voltage and the 12v pack
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  • Dec 13, 2015
    miamibeacher
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  • Dec 13, 2015
    HankLloydRight
    Looks like to me they put in a loaner B battery pack to send your battery back to Fremont to be repaired.

    Did they ever re-install the original battery pack?
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  • Dec 13, 2015
    miamibeacher
    Not that I could see. Is that normal?
    That was the last entry.
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  • Dec 13, 2015
    HankLloydRight
    Well, the only way to tell is looking at the battery code when you get the car.

    Yes, it's normal to install loaner batteries to have the originals sent back to HQ for repairs.
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  • Dec 13, 2015
    miamibeacher
    Where do I look for this Battery code?

    What's the difference? Minor revisions, or major changes?
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  • Dec 13, 2015
    HankLloydRight
    I believe if you turn the front wheels all the way left, you can peer in and read the label on the battery.

    Someone else will need to answer, I don't know the specifics. I think the biggest change was the A packs only allowed max 90kw charging, whereas the later packs allow 120kw, but I'm not certain on those numbers.
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  • Dec 13, 2015
    dhanson865
    Turn wheel, look under driver front wheel well.

    short version for the TL;DR crowd is that it really doesn't matter a ton, you'll charge slower at a supercharger sometimes but not all the time.

    Long version at Older Teslas limited to 90kW Supercharging It's 1600+ posts but worth reading if you like a tech saga.
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  • Dec 13, 2015
    miamibeacher
    Dude, that's a lot of posts. I'll take your summary. I don't have a month to read all that....
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  • Dec 13, 2015
    Electric Joe
    Miamibeacher, please be sure to post back here once you get the car and check the label on the battery visually. (Even if we have strayed to yet another topic.) The A battery thing isn't a showstopper for most people but a B battery or newer is certainly preferable to those who plan to supercharge a lot.
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  • Dec 13, 2015
    CLLACAB
    The "A" battery will charge at a slightly slower rate at a SC station. Tesla has said it is only a 4-5 minutes difference, but there has been some indication that it could be as much as 10 minutes. By the way, I thought it was on the passenger side- turn the wheel all the way to the left and look in the passenger wheel well. You will see a label on the battery. I think it is at the end where it says the series. From "B" on, it was not a concern.
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  • Dec 13, 2015
    SmartElectric
    Our 2013 CPO Tesla Model S was produced with the 'A' battery pack, has >70000 km on it over three years of driving, charges to >97% original capacity, and supercharges at 90kW peak, which is another way of saying 400 km of range for every hour of charge, meaning, 200 km of range added in 30 minutes. Putting that into perspective, we saved a massive amount off new, and while we don't have autopilot or folding mirrors, we do have a Tesla in our driveway that we love!
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  • Dec 14, 2015
    Cowby

    This is correct.....however, u don't need to turn the wheel, just bend down and peer at the white sticker on the front passenger wheel well side towards the bottom....that 120kw does help btw (my est. is around 10-15 mins of extra time.....and every time u supercharge? Yeah, u got a good deal If they let u keep the "B" pack!
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  • Dec 14, 2015
    miamibeacher
    Well I really hope it's the "B" pack, although it's not a make-it-or-break-it, situation.

    We take delivery on Thursday at 11am! So much excitement.
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  • Dec 14, 2015
    mrjedistud
    Looks like the site is down, maybe for maintenance. There were some nicely priced units starting Friday. Hopefully the trend continues.
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  • Dec 14, 2015
    HankLloydRight
    The Preowned site is up and working for me now.

    What's interesting is that overnight they removed every car from the listings, and added them back, essentially resetting the listing date on EV-CPO to today.
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  • Dec 14, 2015
    HankLloydRight
    I don't think this has happened before. P56415 is an Inventory car shown as available on the Tesla CPO site in Orange County/San Diego (the last car listed), but when you click on it, it's not available. Therefore, this car also shows up on EV-CPO as available.
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  • Dec 14, 2015
    mrjedistud
    Something is definitely up. All weekend, your site and the CPO site were not syncing up.
    I doubt its for a big year end sales push since most of these cars will not actually get delivered by the end of the year.

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  • Dec 14, 2015
    FredTMC
    this car link was broke last week too.
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  • Dec 14, 2015
    mrjedistud
    A 60 just posted for $47,100.
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  • Dec 14, 2015
    MsElectric
  • Dec 14, 2015
    DCAC
    An 85 sold last week for $42,500. If you're serious about a CPO, a subscription at ev-cpo.com is the way to go. The lowest priced cars seem to sell within a day.
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  • Dec 14, 2015
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    Drucifer
    I'm glad I didn't wait. I have had 6 months to enjoy 6000+ miles on my "new to me" Tesla. They will always become less expensive, but will probably be older with more miles. You have to jump into the game at some point. Now is good.
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  • Dec 14, 2015
    Cyclone
    Only 6k miles?!? I'm past 10 already. Why are you holding back Drucifer? :p
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  • Dec 14, 2015
    Temeyerster
  • Dec 14, 2015
    mrjedistud
  • Dec 14, 2015
    Jo-
    Does anyone have the specs on this 85 that went for 42K? I missed it. Also, has anyone heard whether the new Missouri location is STL or Kansas City? Thanks.
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  • Dec 14, 2015
    clarkbariowa

    i am only at 3.5k miles. Taking my first supercharger road trip for work! I am making money for driving with the mileage reimbursement Hidden benefit for business travelers rocking the model s.
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  • Dec 14, 2015
    spentan
    Love it, I'm doing it too.
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  • Dec 14, 2015
    Bet TSLA
    You know the mileage reimbursement is meant to cover depreciation too, right? I bet you are losing money. Do you know what it costs you per mile in depreciation?
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  • Dec 14, 2015
    spentan
    Well considering that the IRS allows you to reimburse for 0.575 per mile, but Tesla depreciates (loosely) at $1000 per month + $1 per mile, its not like you're making money, you're just losing less.

    You're also driving a phenomenal car btw
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  • Dec 15, 2015
    Drucifer
    My driving patterns have not changed much. I drove the Chevy Volt about 10-11k miles a year, the Model S will be about 13-14k, mostly due to using it for some trips (where the superchargers are now) that would have been done with my wife's car in the past.
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  • Dec 15, 2015
    Cyclone
    Mine have. The 4Runner had 86k miles after 9 years. The Tesla makes me want to do road trips though.
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  • Dec 15, 2015
    mrjedistud
    Yeah, really. How'd I miss that one? Must have been green or brown :)
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  • Dec 15, 2015
    spectrablue
    P06436, 2013, 63k miles, Pearl White, Black Leather, 21" Silver, Pano, UHFS, Single Charger, Obeche Matte, Air Susp, Tech Package, $42,500


    Still wondering on "Missouri" being Kansas City or St. Louis though...
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  • Dec 15, 2015
    bigbear
    First one I've heard of over 50k miles...
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  • Dec 15, 2015
    Cyclone
    Yeah, to my knowledge, they do not accept cars for the CPO program if they are over 55k. But that doesn't mean this wasn't previously accepted and just hasn't sold get.
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  • Dec 15, 2015
    viperboy
    Wow, under 60k for a P85? I better hurry up and get my wife a car so I can start eliminating the excuses....(her's is two years older than mine now)
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  • Dec 15, 2015
    MsElectric
  • Dec 15, 2015
    Cyclone
    I hate the tan interior and I already bought my S, but otherwise, I would buy this car. Only a few $$ more than what I paid for mine, but it's newer, faster, and has folding mirrors. After the folding mirror retrofit, its almost the same price I bought my car for.
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  • Dec 15, 2015
    MsElectric
    Ah and you have such exceptional taste with everything else so I guess we can let the fact that you don't like the tan interior slide :tongue:

    Tan is the only Model S interior color I like. I can't stand black interiors as I like to keep the car pristine clean and with black I never know if the car is clean or not but I can see how this could actually be a benefit... Also I find the tan interior more airy/open and how you can see the interior details, especially with the pano roof lighting up the interior. Also tan picks up ambient lighting very nicely at night... To each his own and neither option is wrong but the good thing is we both won't ever be competing for the same car!

    That car is a great value for whoever buys it... The CPO prices for the RWD cars are now quite attractive. Just waiting for the P85D prices to come down a bit some more and then I'm in.

    You still got a great price on your S85 with the added enjoyment of being actually able to drive your car all these months. If you are ever considering switching, realize that in 2 years P85Ds will be about the same price range as the current 2014 P85s...
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  • Dec 15, 2015
    taurusking
    I used to think like you ...until I landed up in my S85...Loved the color and everything and I was told it has black interior but I could not resist because of the savings I got with this inventory vehicle.

    It has been almost a year with my car and I can tell the very minute there is dust on the black seats...Have to wipe them often and on...at least this is my experience..:smile:
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  • Dec 15, 2015
    Cyclone
    Oh yeah, the tan is a personal dislike. I hated it in other cars and thought I should give Tesla the benefit of the doubt, and then when seeing it in person, still hated it. Though I must admit I've only seen it on dark cars. I love the gray look, but dislike that the headliner doesn't match. Black seats with any of the 3 headliners works for me.

    Yeah, 10k miles later, I love my S. Originally I was going to wait till Sept. and part of me wishes I did, but that's b/c of personal life issues cropping up after buying the car and not the car itself. I could have been buying now, but someone else will and they will LOVE IT!
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  • Dec 15, 2015
    DiamondDave
    I'm seeing a total of 4 sub-$60k P85's a P85+ right now! I had not looked at CPOs for a while because the P85s were priced in the $70s for months (never mind a P85+) and I felt like an additional $10k to get a new S 85D with similar performance and NEW was worth it. Now it looks like there are a lot of P85 and P85+ CPOs with reasonable mileage and higher VINs priced in the low $60s.

    Was there a sudden price change or did I miss prices gradually falling? This is an exciting development...

    EDIT---There's actually two more sub-$60k P85s on Tesla's site that are not showing up in the EV CPO Consolidator. They both have a location "Other". Looks like about 70 P85s and P85+s priced below $70k on Tesla's CPO page.
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  • Dec 15, 2015
    bigbear
    Is this THE David Lee Roth?
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  • Dec 15, 2015
    MsElectric
    They are finally starting to price their RWD CPO cars so the pricing makes sense when compared to a new car. There are some great deals to be had for 2013/2014 RWD cars. Especially the P85s. Some are close to half the price when new after a little over 2 years of use.

    As for the interior color, I've tried to like black as an interior color and I can't stand it. I find tan to be very warm and inviting and black exuding basically the opposite connotation. All very personal and subjective based on how your brain is wired I suppose. I also can't stand black and CF interior trim as in I absolutely hate it. Wish that wasn't the case as it makes finding a suitable car quite challenging!

    The good thing for me is that I often see tan combined with Obeche wood.
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  • Dec 15, 2015
    DiamondDave
    Wouldn't that be something? Just in teenage fantasies and Rock Band games! We do share a first name, however...

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    I'd choose a tan interior spec'ing out a new car. I like the way black looks but I find it can be very hot in the summer. If I go with a CPO, however, I'd be fine with black if I found the right vehicle with the right options (Pano, UHF Sound, Smart Air), low mileage, high VIN, at the right price. Not that I'm picky or anything!
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  • Dec 15, 2015
    Grendal
    I agree that the prices have dropped. It's a guess but I believe a CPO counts as a sale towards the yearly totals. So Tesla is dropping CPO prices to get them to move out the door and hit their yearly goal or kill the yearly goal. Or, they just have the stock a little too large and want to move them out. That's my WAG.
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  • Dec 15, 2015
    Cyclone
    Or as many of us said near the beginning of the program, the cars aren't getting any younger and their price will age just as if already had the car. So just like outside the EV market, if you want a cheaper S-class or 7-series, go 1, 2, 3... years used and get it.
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  • Dec 15, 2015
    MsElectric
    I think the Model S resale values will pretty much very closely resemble the resale value of a Mercedes S Class. In fact that's about what we are seeing.

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    I don't believe that to be the case. What they report are production numbers/deliveries for new cars. The CPO cars come in when looking at the total profit/loss picture but the CPO cars will not count towards meeting the 50,000+ unit production goal.

    I think what we are seeing is that they are trying to sell the CPO cars before they depreciate further next year. There's no point in holding to an inventory of hundreds of CPO Model S cars when they are each depreciating about $1,400-$2,000 a month based on age and the model. They are just pricing the cars based on what the market will pay, and this is as it should be. If they've had a certain car for sale for 2-3 months and it has not sold, it is likely priced too high. During those 3 months, the car likely just depreciated another $4,000-$6,000 so it is better to price them right to begin with and move the inventory.
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  • Dec 15, 2015
    thgchris
    So if I buy a CPO with 50,000 miles and put 40,000 miles on it before wanting to sell then I can't trade back to Tesla when I want to buy a new one? Need to sell private party? Or will they just offer really low basically because it will go to a wholesaler or something?
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  • Dec 15, 2015
    thgchris
  • Dec 15, 2015
    KJD
    That is about right. What would you expect them to offer you for a car with 90,000 miles on it ?
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  • Dec 15, 2015
    thgchris
    No idea. I just was thinking that if I wanted to buy used and could pick up a P85 for $60k that if I drove it for 3 years until Auto Pilot 2 came out (just guessing) or some other cool thing that I'd just trade it in towards that and save money on the sales tax side. Then maybe it'd be a $30k trade (probable) or $40k (if lucky)?

    What do you think?
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  • Dec 15, 2015
    SmartElectric
    CPO prices have reasonably followed depreciation of $10-15K per year.
    I've also found by comparing against Mercedes and Audi, the Tesla is depreciating slower.

    What follows is rough guidance I guestimated when purchasing our CPO early 2013 Tesla earlier this year.

    I used the rough #'s below to compare against our existing Mercedes and realized the Tesla would be no more expensive in terms of total operating cost (depreciation, interest, fuel, repairs). As you can see by the time the Model 3 comes out, a used 2013 S85 will be cost competitive, and some will buy used (to avoid waits for delivery, larger car, more options, etc). By the time the warranty is up, the car is worth around $20K, which seems reasonable considering it will still be a long range performance electric car.

    Year Price
    2013 95000 <- New 85 with many premium options
    2014 80000
    2015 65000 <- CPO buyer gets warranty of 4 more years, ends in 2019
    2016 55000
    2017 45000
    2018 35000 <- New Model 3 comes out for same cost with base (no options)
    2019 25000     <- Warranty is now only drive-train and battery
    2020 20000
    2021 15000 <- Warranty is up
    2022 10000
    2023 5000 <- Car likely has 200,000 km on it, rated range ~370 km

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  • Dec 15, 2015
    Cyclone
    They will buy it, but they won't put it through the CPO program and simply sell it as used or send to auction.
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  • Dec 15, 2015
    KJD
    I would expect the Tesla to depreciate about the same as most other luxury cars with a similar MSRP.

    For example KBB.com has a page to calculate 5 year cost to own.
    Just for kicks I choose a BMW X6 M.
    94,850 MSRP.
    62,301 Depreciation for 5 years, so your guess is about right for that car.
    Not sure if this link will work, but this page is interesting.
    Kelley Blue Book

    As far as the Tesla goes, they have a good reputation for quality and that helps, but many other car makers also have high standards or they would not survive. Notice that the overall cost per mile on the BMW is $1.33 Now I would guess that the Model S and Model X would be about the same.

    My car is a 2012 and I plan to drive it until the power train warranty goes away in 2020 and it will be worth pretty close to nothing by then.

    OK the link worked but you also need to click the "See yearly breakdown" in the middle of the page.
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  • Dec 15, 2015
    bigbear
    I'll be happy to take it off your hands in 2020.
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  • Dec 15, 2015
    thgchris
    Interesting analysis. So my $40k number after 3 years (buying at $60k) is definitely a bit high then at least based on what you think and the $30k would maybe be wishful thinking.

    Ok makes sense.

    $42,000 depreciation in first year for that BMW? That seems crazy? Tesla MS year 1 so far hasn't been that bad right?
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  • Dec 16, 2015
    MsElectric
    When you discuss depreciation, there is a big difference in the dollar amount depreciation between a top end "P Model" compared to a model with a lower battery capacity. The dollar amount depreciation with a P Model is greater. So it's not easily to generalize as it really depends on the model.

    From what I can see the initial year depreciation for a P85D is around $30K, but about $10K of that is the rebate so the actual depreciation is more like $20K. This might be due to the scarcity of used P85D models though. We may not know the actual first year depreciation until next year when the market settles.

    If you go down one model year, the 2014 P85s are now starting at the late 50s and you can buy them for the mid to late 60s which is an incredible deal for anyone buying those cars as it represents about a $50K discount after barely 1-2 years of use.
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  • Dec 16, 2015
    No2DinosaurFuel
    Looks like these are the price drop someone here was told by a DS way back in the summer of the major price drop. From what i can tell it is a little more than 6 months or so since the cpo program? Hopefully this trend keeps up. I am still waiting for a 85D in this price range. I got about a year left on my current lease before i need another car.
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  • Dec 16, 2015
    Zaphod
    What is the best way to get pictures of a particular car? Hitting that buy button based on list of specs and stock photos is far from ideal. Any CPO location will be hundreds of miles away so seeing a car in person is out of the question. Do we ever think they will start using photos of the actual cars at some point? I guess I'm not going to hold my breath. With pricing becoming more attractive to a larger audience, it's most likely impossible to get some pictures and make a buy decision before someone else snatches it up.

    Also, anyone have any idea how much condition plays into the pricing? Yes, I know CPO should mean CPO and reconditioned, blah, blah, and condition should not be a factor. However, lurking on this site and thread for sometime has not necessarily given me vote of confidence on the overall quality that a CPO should demand.
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  • Dec 16, 2015
    MsElectric
    Technically all CPO cars are supposed to be in "showroom condition" granted it is a used car and there will be minor imperfections but nothing major. If you were presented a CPO car for purchase and it falls short of what you would expect, I am sure they will allow you to transfer your deposit towards another car or make it right by addressing any issues you find. Not sure how they would handle the fee of transporting the car though.

    That said, the lack of actual photos of the car you are putting a deposit is I am sure for most an unacceptable way to buy a used car but that's what they have at the moment and I hope this gets changed so that in the future they post the actual photos of the used car being offered for sale. After all, if a car dealer can do that to be transparent on what they are selling, why not Tesla? :rolleyes:

    In addition to the photos you should request to see the service records of the car, pull the CarFax, and then have a Pre Purchase inspection at a body shop to avoid the possibility of any paint issues with the car as what happened to Cyclone.
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  • Dec 16, 2015
    DougH
    This is what my bank booked out a 2014 P85D with 8K miles. Mostly loaded.

    Value

    		 MSRP
    		 Wholesale
    		 Retail
    		Trade-In
    		Private Party
    		Auction
    		CPO
    Base
    		$105,670
    		 $77,343
    		 $78,554
    		 $74,984
    		 $76,372
    		 $76,704
    		 $0
    Adjusted
    		$105,670
    		 $79,281
    		 $80,571
    		 $74,984
    		 $76,372
    		 $76,704
    		 $0
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  • Dec 16, 2015
    Jason Diaz
    A 2014 P85D for 76K? That sounds like a steal!
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  • Dec 16, 2015
    thgchris
    Yah sign me up for one of those hah.
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  • Dec 16, 2015
    Cyclone
    Scroll to the right. I'll take one of those $0 CPOs! Or two! :)
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  • Dec 16, 2015
    MsElectric
    I think that was just a bank estimation and they are assuming a worst case scenario if they had to sell the car themselves. The "adjusted retail" price they had given him for the P85D is $80,571.

    What is interesting is that mid to late $80Ks is around where the P85D values will actually be towards the end of the next year...
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  • Dec 16, 2015
    FredTMC
    "Inventory" cars continue to sell out nationally. Currently there are only 43 on the tesla US site. Unless tesla posts more they'll be gone within a week...
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  • Dec 16, 2015
    HankLloydRight
    I think historically, Tesla has many more Inventory cars for sale than what they list on their Pre-Owned site.
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  • Dec 16, 2015
    MsElectric
    Go visit your local Tesla gallery. They have dozens to literally hundreds based on when you visit. They've sent me cars that are not on the site.
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  • Dec 16, 2015
    HankLloydRight
  • Dec 16, 2015
    EMdoc12
    When I got the alerts on those I said "damn". Both are cheaper than I paid. Mine is currently in transit now though.

    I assume these will both be gone soon enough.
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  • Dec 16, 2015
    bigbear
    That red is gorgeous.
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  • Dec 16, 2015
    thgchris

    Earlier in this thread people were saying that they were stopping doing this?
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  • Dec 16, 2015
    Cyclone
    OMG I'm salivating and I'm already an owner!
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  • Dec 16, 2015
    AMPd
    I love my blue standard 85
    But that 54.9K performance Signature red is very tempting!

    I might go into my local service center tomorrow and get a quote for a trade in! Might be nice to upgrade to a performance version!
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  • Dec 17, 2015
    No2DinosaurFuel
    Though the signature versuon are nice, i still think they are not a good buy just because of the age and the 90KW supercharging unless they replaced the batteries.
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  • Dec 17, 2015
    FredTMC
    You understand I'm NOT talking about Pre-Owned cars right? I'm only discussing "new" cars (i.e. Never been titled)
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  • Dec 17, 2015
    DougH
    Rattle bucket is what my neighbor calls his. It's so sexy though to look at. Owning one, no thanks.
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  • Dec 17, 2015
    HankLloydRight
    I'm pretty sure she understand that, Fred.

    Tesla always has many more CPO and Inventory cars than are listed on their website. You need to contact your local Gallery/store to find these.
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  • Dec 17, 2015
    FredTMC
    I'm not concerned with CPO cars. Only interested in what's going on with "inventory" cars. I'll go by my store(s) and ask.

    It's really odd to me that tesla literally has no cars listed in SoCal. Orange County has been out for a while now.

    Bottomline is is tesla is really dumping all the Inventiry cars they can. Each one they sell is another delivery for Q4

    Wondering where tesla will end up with Q4 deliveries.

    1). Short of 17k
    2). Around 17k
    3). Over 17k. Like >18k
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  • Dec 17, 2015
    DougH
    If you are looking for an Inventory P85D call Seattle, they have a ton of them.
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  • Dec 17, 2015
    FredTMC
    Wow. Whats a "ton"?

    TIA
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  • Dec 17, 2015
    DiamondDave
    About 1/2 a P85D? :tongue:
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  • Dec 17, 2015
    SmartElectric
    Bullpucky! Our CPO S85 came with the "A" pack battery limited to 90kW charging, and we've done 10000km in 6 months, supercharged a dozen or more times, and driven long road trips (>>1000km). Car charges to >97% of original capacity, and accelerates faster than a Z28. Love it! :love:

    Oh, and we got a massive discount off new buying with 60000 km on the odometer, so that savings just makes me grin. We're in a Tesla a full year before I expected/planned.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Our early 2013 may not have folding mirrors or autopilot, but it turns heads, and is squeak and rattle free. Your mileage may vary, but personally, our car is tight.
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  • Dec 17, 2015
    thgchris
    So $1,000 per month + $1 per mile off is what you'd look at for those?
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  • Dec 17, 2015
    DougH
    I do not know how Tesla does it's discounts, call them and ask.
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  • Dec 17, 2015
    KJD
    My car was also made in 2012 and you can trash talk it as a 3 year old car all you want and it's OK with me. It still makes me smile every time I open the garage door.

    If I had this car paid off, I would buy that signature for my wife.
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  • Dec 17, 2015
    No2DinosaurFuel
    not trash talking any cars. They are all beautiful and I am sure many are happy with them. I just want to point out some limitations on the earlier models if some of the people here does not know. I mean Musk said it himself. LOL

    Glad there are some major drops. Right now $46K (really $47K because it's $46,900) for S85. 2012 though but nicely equipped though! Quite a bit of miles but I am sure the batteries are still fine for 100s thousand more miles. Hopefully a CPO 85D will be around this price next year.

    Cheapest P85 I seen so far. Maybe they have been going cheaper, but right now there is one for $51K. No Tech Package though. But Dual Charger!
    85 kWh Performance Model S P19736 | Tesla Motors
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  • Dec 17, 2015
    Wshowell
    Some really substantial price drops on CPO cars. Also of note it appears we are seeing cars with higher mileage Appearing in larger numbers. Curious if these were being held back and now being "blown out" at year end or if this is the effect of a surge of trade in vehicles as the X starts production. I posted some Jan 2016 price predictions for CPO vehicles a few months back and received a fair amount of naysaying. I think my actual post expired so I don't remember my actual numbers but there has been serious declines in the CPO values in the past few months. It seems the private sellers (Cars.com, Ebay, Craigslist) are still holding on to hope with P85s > $80k, 85s> $70k and 60s> $60k. More evidence that buyers set the price, not sellers. When the X start to deliver, leases expire and cars get returned and the buy back guarantee kicks in, it'll be really interesting to watch how prices react.

    woops, I was wrong. I found my post from April 28, 2015 copy and pasted below:


    "I hold to my previous thinking that P85's will be <$60, 85's < $50 and 60's <$40k by end of 2015 in the private marketplace. It'll be fascinating to watch what happens when the X's start to get delivered. I think the only way depreciation will slow is if: Tesla does a huge price increase (not happening with economies of scale) or China starts to gobble up all the used inventory (unlikely) or oil goes >$150/bbl (eventually, but way way out in the future)."
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  • Dec 17, 2015
    No2DinosaurFuel
    You were right on the P85 and maybe a few S85. But the S60 still seems to be stubborn and not going lower than $40K. LOL.

    I don't get why the used market are still holding out for higher reselling price. Sure these CPO might be abused, but it seems like Tesla does do some refurbishing to get them into better conditions. I highly doubt used market seller would throw in new rims and new tires for the sale, let alone a paint refresh and such. Also keep in mind, those used cars have technically lower warranty than the CPO unless they bought extended warranty.
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  • Dec 17, 2015
    Wshowell
    I was way off on the S60 price predictions but also I thought the market would invert with CPO prices higher than private party sales. That hasn't happened as of yet. The biggest surprise to me is the compressed market that's developing. The price differentials between the models is "wacko". Cars that new had pricing differentials of $50k now have deltas of $5k with similar options. Production year and mileage seem to be the most weighted variable to CPO pricing. We have the same thing happening here in SLO County real estate. $650 buys a 1960's 3 bedroom tract home fixer upper in a neighborhood. $850k buys a house twice the size on an acre or two and $1mm buys a custom home on acreage with a distant ocean view. $60k buys a 2.5 year old CPO P85+ that was $125k whereas $50k buys a 2.5 year old S60 that was $75k new.
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  • Dec 18, 2015
    MsElectric
    This suggests that most CPO buyers are price constrained or price conscious. This is why they had a hard time selling any of the CPO cars priced very close to the cost of a new car. Some of the P85Ds are still priced too close to the price of a new car to make sense for most potential buyers.

    The market for RWD is now stabilizing and settling where you'd expect it to, and that is basically along the depreciation of schedule of similar premium cars. Next year we will see the same stabilizing of the D models. For the cost of a 2014 P85, next year you should be able to buy a 2015 85D with about the same acceleration plus autopilot, AWD, and better build quality. When that happens I think we will see what @wshowell predicted, even for the S60 models.
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  • Dec 18, 2015
    freeewilly
    I believe S60 will maintain higher resell value than other models, not because I own a S60, because lower price cars normally don't depreciate as quickly as higher price cars. When a 130k P85d drop to 70k, it's a great deal, but most people still can't afford a 70k car regardless how great the deal is.

    When S60 drop below 50k, it fall into a range of buyers that want to join the Tesla family, it also make more financial sense considering the saving of fuel.
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  • Dec 18, 2015
    KJD
    Don't look now, but I count 8 cars at 50k or less. Several added just today. Maybe someone heard you. :)
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  • Dec 18, 2015
    mrjedistud
    I fully agree with the price compression comment. The differential between model types is getting smaller and smaller. The delta between an 85 and p85 looks negligible. Same from a p85 to a plus. The drop in the last 30 days has been noticeable. I'm hoping for a nicely optioned p85 under $55k which doesn't seem so unreasonable now.
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