Nov 12, 2013
dfitz206 Still nothing for me...on 4.5 Vin 7007 Their "week" is longer than mine...kind of like "Fall 2013" with superchargers :smile:�
Nov 12, 2013
Todd Burch The car != people. The car reads it. You just listen to it.�
Nov 12, 2013
SFOTurtle Ok, got it. Well, that's a little better. Thanks for the correction. I assume/hope the car also does not flash out the text msg somewhere on the touchscreen. Still, how long until we have our first MS accident where the driver was distracted when the car started sua sponte reading text messages to them when they were approaching an intersection and then ran a red light?�
Nov 12, 2013
zax123 Does anyone have a screenshot of where in the release notes this is written? Has anyone tried it? Does it work?�
Nov 12, 2013
Denarius Hold down the right steering wheel roller for 2 seconds. It will bring up a list of what you can display. Same thing works in the left side. I'm able to out it on either side no problem.�
Nov 12, 2013
4SUPER9 As an added benefit to 5.6, Siri now speaks to me and listens through the car. I don't know if this was the case with 4.5. On 5.0, Siri would only work on the phone itself.�
Nov 12, 2013
Denarius I haven't tried Siri since 4.5, but I was able to talk to Siri via Bluetooth audio. I had to activate it from the iPhone by holding down the home button. Has any of that changed? I'll try on my way home from work this evening.�
Nov 12, 2013
gmontem Figured I give Tesla Service Center Fremont another call requesting to push the 5.6 update to my car today, and this time the person who talked me told me they don't do those requests, nor do they allow owners to go to the service centers to get their update pushed, and that everything said at Tesla Motors Club are rumors and unreliable (not his words, but that's the message I got from him). He even went ahead and told me that the representative I spoke to yesterday who informed me they push updates by VIN and by installed version, e.g., 5.0 gets dibs, was wrong. So either all of you guys are lying and still using 4.5 or this guy is also sadly misinformed.�
Nov 12, 2013
Zythryn Officially, Tesla can't do that and service personnel shouldn't make that offer. Otherwise the service centers will be inundated with people stopping by to get an update.
As for the forum, this is not an official, or even unofficial Tesla Motors source. It is a group of enthusiasts, nothing more. Everything said here is second hand information and is exactly what that employee said, rumors.
Now, sometimes rumors are correct, sometimes they are not...�
Nov 12, 2013
Gear Do you have a Windows Phone by any chance? I thought for the longest time that my BMW was reading my texts aloud for me, giving me the option to either read or ignore them, but when I got my Tesla, it was still reading them and with the same voice. It turns out it was a feature of my Windows Phone when using bluetooth audio.�
Nov 12, 2013
4SUPER9 That's exactly correct. On 5.0 (at least for me), I could not use bluetooth audio for Siri.�
Nov 12, 2013
ZBB Quick update... I checked the car around noon on Monday, and it still showed 141 rated miles. Checked again at 6:30am, and it was at 139. Sleep does appear to be working now -- but I'll continue to monitor...�
Nov 12, 2013
rlang59 Since I got 5.6 I am now losing around 15 miles while parked at work for 10 hours which is about double what it was before. In addition to that when the car does wake up Bluetooth, WiFi, and voice commands don't work. Usually takes a reboot to clear that up but today it took 10 reboots (I kept trying on my drive home since I needed the Bluetooth). Something just doesn't seem to be waking up correctly from sleep so I'm just going to turn it off for now, isn't doing any good anyway. Feels like this code release has some kind of corner case that they did not test out and there are still some bugs.�
Nov 12, 2013
joefee Your service center should be able to install the latest FW on request if you can not/did not get it OTA. I do this every time since my car parks under ground.�
Nov 12, 2013
steve841 I'd stop by the SC and have them look at it.. If none are close by, call ownership and let them check it remotely.�
Nov 12, 2013
santana338 Thanks Denarius. All is good again�
Nov 12, 2013
rlang59 I'll deal with it when I get a chance. Fact of the matter is that having to go to the service center for them to fix a remote update completely defeats the purpose of a remote update. Tesla needs to do a better job at testing these things before they push them out. Given that I am not the only one having issues with this software by the looks of this thread something was missed in the testing phase.
Edit:
I have emailed ownership to let them know of the issues I have been seeing.�
Nov 12, 2013
Btrflyl8e Good idea, the other good thing about remote update is that they may be able to diagnose and fix the issue remotely, too. I hope that's the case!�
Nov 12, 2013
rlang59 I trust that they will fix it. Hopefully they can pull logs from my car that will help them pin down the problem so they can push out an update before anyone else has similar problems. For me I can live with it for now if turning off the "Energy Saving" mode keeps everything else working. I'm more irritated by the fact that this mode to stop vampire drain breaks other stuff and to top it off doesn't even work!�
Nov 12, 2013
apacheguy Well, to be fair, Tesla beta tested this release for several months. In fact, I would have argued for less testing and rolling it out sooner. Just because 1 car out of a 1000 is going to have a problem should not bar them from rolling it out. Even after hearing of your problems I still absolutely want 5.6 whether it contains bugs or not. Obviously I think Tesla needs to look at your case and figure out what's going on. But I disagree with your assessment that more beta testing is needed.�
Nov 12, 2013
SFOTurtle Sorry you've been having some issues with 5.6. Things happen in software updates. It doesn't mean Tesla did a bad job of testing this. If you read from the beginning of this thread, you'll read literally hundreds of posts complaining that Tesla was taking too long in rolling this out and many people were willing to get the update ASAP, bugs and all. If perfection is the standard before rolling it out, we wouldn't see the next update for a few years, if ever.�
Nov 12, 2013
rlang59 I disagree with you on this, I think that some regression testing was skipped to push the update out to appease the very people you are talking about. I'm an engineer and I see this happen all the time, management gives you the deadline and some things get missed during testing. The unfortunate side effect that we have with the world of update-able firmware is the "Push it out now we'll fix it later" mentality that has come with it.
And I'm not looking for perfection, I'm looking for functionality, which in this case is not what I got.
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I really hope you don't work in QA.�
Nov 12, 2013
Earthdog WiFi Connectivity
So I have setup my MS with 5.6 to connect to my office WFi and home WiFi. However they don't auto connect in range. Is there a setting for auto connect? Thoughts am I assuming this basic functionality?�
Nov 12, 2013
AlMc I agree with this sentiment completely. The 5.0 was tested and retested. Almost everyone wanted it sooner than later. Now that it is out there will be some people/vehicles that experience less than perfect results...but those problems can be corrected. It is time everyone has the 5.X series.�
Nov 12, 2013
SFOTurtle People have been pushing Tesla for much of this functionality for close to a year now. If there was a deadline, it was months and months ago. And Tesla went through beta testing for a couple of months. If Tesla had wanted to rush something out, they could have done that back in January or February when people were complaining about the lack of sleep mode. That a few folks like you are having issues does not show that Tesla "rushed" this out. Thousands of others are now enjoying this new release with little or no problems -- and certainly not the problems you're encountering. But because your car is having issues, you draw the conclusion that the entire release was faulty and is non-functional. It may not be functional for you -- yet -- but for thousands of others, it is. So again, perfection (100% of users are happy and bug-free) cannot be the standard.�
Nov 12, 2013
apacheguy I don't and I'm very glad that I don't. Having said that I stand by my opinion 100%. You're welcome to disagree with me.
It's just that I have been waiting for over a year for sleep mode, which was promised to me to arrive within a few months of taking delivery. Needless to say, I am very eagerly awaiting 5.6 and don't want TM to delay the rollout any further just because a few select owners are having issues with their car sleeping.�
Nov 12, 2013
SFOTurtle Your message reads like a carbon copy of mine, and I think after following this thread and other earlier firmware threads, hundreds and hundreds of folks would repeat our view. Nothing was rushed out. That does not mean it was perfect, just means that there is no evidence that more testing would have identified whatever issues a few cars are now having.�
Nov 12, 2013
cinergi All I'll say is don't underestimate the amount of testing that goes on. At least give them the benefit of the doubt if you don't believe me. These are very smart and motivated people.�
Nov 13, 2013
brianman My psychic powers tell me your phone is doing this, not the car.
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Mine was there before 5.6 and remains there after 5.6 (i.e. no change).�
Nov 13, 2013
Btrflyl8e Agreed, I just reread the release notes and didn't see anything about this.�
Nov 13, 2013
steve841 It autoconnects .... however I've found it can take up to 2-3 minutes .....
If the signal is decent, give it time. If nothing .... forget all WiFi networks, reboot MCU, and start over.�
Nov 13, 2013
NigelM Yay, finally got v5.6! :-D
On the loaner car the service center gave me...... :crying:�
Nov 13, 2013
AlMc Bet when you get your car back you will find you are beta tester for the next upgrade.....6.X. :biggrin:�
Nov 13, 2013
DFibRL8R I have noticed since upgrading to 5.6 the slacker voice control seems to work better. Previously, I could only get a request to register while stopped (or driving very slowly) presumably due to background road noise. I have had more success even at highway speeds since the upgrade.�
Nov 13, 2013
efusco I thought maybe it was my imagination, but the couple of times I've used the voice command since 5.6 it has worked nicely. I'd basically given up on it previously because it worked maybe one in ten times I'd tried. Even the Ranger couldn't get it to work and sent it up to engineering for a fix...�
Nov 13, 2013
rlang59 I've also noticed that you no longer have to wait a second or so for it to say "Recording". Now as soon as you hear the sound you can start talking and it works.�
Nov 13, 2013
steve841 SC was hoping 5.6 would fix the hands free BT calling for me (so there must be under the hood improvements) .... but no such luck. New microphone goes in on Friday.�
Nov 13, 2013
zax123 I went through the release notes and the user manual and didn't find this anywhere...
Does an option actually pop up on the car's screen for you to be able to have the text read to you or skipped?�
Nov 13, 2013
DriverOne I'm in much the same boat. Rated range is now sub-200 rather than the advertised 208? This really changes the value prop of the 60. I wonder what a new 60 shows on 5.6. One would hope it would match the advertised 208, but perhaps with 5.6's enhanced forecast accuracy, the distance is somewhat shorter than advertised. Nuts. I configured a car with battery range starting at 208... is that distance a flawed estimate? An incorrectly high number?�
Nov 13, 2013
bosgig I was still on 4.5 and hadn't gotten my notification yet, but I got the upgrade to 5.6 yesterday during a separately scheduled visit to the SC. They did it without my asking (I didn't want to be a nuisance) which was nice of them. Lost one mile in 8 hours overnight, so sleep mode is clearly working, and I was pleasantly surprised by just how short the start up time was coming out of sleep this morning. No negatives to report so far.�
Nov 13, 2013
mknox I'm still on 4.5 but mentioned poor voice recognition at my last service visit. The work order says they replaced "both" microphones. It is still the original-looking grill over the mirror and not the new style with the microphones clearly visible, but it seems much better nonetheless.�
Nov 13, 2013
evsinav My 4 month-old S85 was updated to 5.6 yesterday at the SC at ~5500 miles (first tire rotation). The overnight test of sleep mode surprised me: 0 miles lost in 13.5 hours!
Some conditions I was aware of: The SC had left remote access OFF and I had connected the car to home WiFi upon my arrival. Temps were probably optimum in the garage overnight.
I'm also pleased at at the map update since my first road trip (to Napa from Orange County) starts Friday...:smile:�
Nov 13, 2013
pete8314 I wish there was somewhere to set the language (I assume there is on EU builds)? I'd really like UK English, then I'd stand a slightly better chance of it understanding me. Right now I have to sound like a tobacco-chewing cowboy (it's really the only American accent I can do, and it's still bad!) to stand a chance of it understanding me. I'm still on 4.5, but ever hopeful...�
Nov 13, 2013
FlasherZ Try this as a guide:
[Moderator: adult language at one point, but it's Scottish and may not be understood by Americans plus it's too funny to delete]
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Nov 13, 2013
NigelM Welcome to my world! I tend towards using a North East accent (lived in NY for a while years ago) and that works quite well but my 10-year-old still thinks it's hilarious entertainment.�
Nov 13, 2013
pete8314 Love the video, makes me laugh every time I see it. I will still say, the Tesla VR is better than anything else I've every driven, but the bar was set real low!�
Nov 13, 2013
Todd Burch Americans do not have accents. Everyone else does.
...Runs for cover...�
Nov 13, 2013
giants2001 I contacted the Service Center today and they have forwarded my concern. I'll keep you posted.
This does seem to be a common theme among the 60s. Maybe it needs it's own thread?�
Nov 13, 2013
Rockster Brianman is correct. My "inventory" car was a loaner.�
Nov 13, 2013
Mike_Schlechter I got 5.6 when my car was in yesterday for "service bulletins."
I like the updated nav, and Wifi is nice. I was surprised the fonts seem small across the board. As for rated range, I generally charge to 225 rated, and this AM is showed 222 (but that isn't uncommon). I don't think it slept over night, so need to move my key a little further away from the car. Anyone know what the minimum distance is?�
Nov 13, 2013
dpodoll reboot the 17"�
Nov 13, 2013
Monto I talked to service today, and they told me 5.6 is a controlled release. They are monitoring the cars that get the release for bugs. It could be another 3 weeks before I get it. Nothing I can do to push the download.�
Nov 13, 2013
Stoneymonster Ask a question of Tesla, get fourteen different answers. I think these guys just make stuff up so we'll go away
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Nov 13, 2013
sublimaze1 FWIW, mine updated last night OTA.�
Nov 13, 2013
mknox I've lived so long in Canada, Americans seem to be able to pick up on that fact. How is that even possible, eh?�
Nov 13, 2013
FlasherZ We just put on our thinking touks and figure it oot.�
Nov 13, 2013
NigelM It's still available if you tap the battery icon to call up the charging screen. The lights still show dynamically including brake lights on regen.�
Nov 13, 2013
tesla2012 I meant to say didn't find this in release notes. there is no option in the screen, VR automatically says new text message from .... skip it or read it. if you don't say anything, it continues with your music or whatever you were on.�
Nov 13, 2013
Gear What kind of phone are you using? If it's a Windows Phone, then it's definitely the phone doing it and not the car.�
Nov 13, 2013
Cosmacelf This begs the question - is there an iPhone app or setting that will have the phone read an incoming text message for you?�
Nov 13, 2013
Morristhecat Siri. I text with siri all the time and never take my eyes off the road. I'm not on 5.6 yet. Phone stays in my pocket.�
Nov 13, 2013
riceuguy Are you doing a max range charge to 100%? That's the only way a 60 will ever get to 208...�
Nov 14, 2013
tomas While it is interesting to hear what an individual service advisor may say, it is important to understand that cannot be taken as gospel. I personally think Tesla is doing great job of hiring/training service personnel, but we all have to realize that most of them are less than 6 months on the job, and drinking from a fire hose, with lots of type A, opinionated, and tech savvy customers, and I would guess an internal rumor mill that rivals the real info channels.
What Tesla has officially said is that this rollout will be accomplished during Nov. Continued frequent reports of OTA downloads seems to indicate that is still on happening. Typically when a release is stopped or slowed, the reports of updates stop in a hurry.
BTW, Most people with a BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, Porsche don't even ask at annual service for the newest software release (even though there always is one)� much less beg for a push.
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Hmmm� I've had 5.6 for a week now, and believe this talk of the Model S reading your text messages as a function of 5.6 is a misrepresentation. It is not a function of the car as much as a function of your cell phone - activated over the car's voice control via bluetooth. I have iPhone which has Siri, and I can ask it to read my text messages� or skip, or respond� Have done that with both 4.5 and 5.6 release of Model S software. I believe that Windows and Android phones also have similar capability.�
Nov 14, 2013
ModelS8794 Can you use a function on the car to activate Siri? Does holding down the voice button on the steering wheel do it?�
Nov 14, 2013
apacheguy How is this different than the 3 week timeframe given by Monto? Actually, word on the street (at least what I heard from multiple TMCERS) was that the rollout was supposed to be done by the end of this week.
Still no update here, but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt until Saturday.
edit: Correct me if I'm wrong, but looking back through this thread we only have 1 (?) OTA report occurring earlier this week. All others have gotten their upgrade at a SC. Has the pace of the rollout been slowed?�
Nov 14, 2013
NigelM Driving a loaner right now as the service center has my car for a couple of days. Yesterday I set up the dash configuration as I like it with trip meter on the left and energy graph on the right; this morning the car had the energy graph on the left and blank screen on the right.
Also noted that I left the the radio on a French TuneIn station last night and this morning it was on a something else random while the UI was on the the browse function.
Bugs?�
Nov 14, 2013
tomas I have not found the magic words to do that. I still have to press button on paired iPhone to bring up Siri, and then I can listen to messages, reply, etc. via the car's audio system.
Anyone found the abracadabra to do this without button?
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Dude, I'm so sorry, I was the last guy with that loaner. I kept a key and snuck in last night and went for joyride. Hate that french station, so I switched it. Wait till you see what else I changed� at least 4 other things. :biggrin:�
Nov 14, 2013
4SUPER9 Sleep mode seems to be hit and miss with 5.6.
I've had 5.0 for over 2 months, and every morning, the car would take between 15-30 sec to wake up. Now I'm on 5.6 with sleep mode activated. This morning, after an 12 hour nap, the car was fully awake the second I opened the door. Two hours later, same thing. I didn't check range last night, so I have no comparisons. All I can say is that this car was either never went to sleep, or it woke up on it's own somehow.�
Nov 14, 2013
PhilBa It's all aboat the Os.�
Nov 14, 2013
Benjamin Brooks I went from 4.5 to 5.6, and for over a week on 5.6 I've never seen the car sleep. Have tried rebooting the 17", turning off remote access, moving the key fobs as far away as possible in the house... nothing works. In fact, it seems my vampire loss has actually gotten worse (averaging 8 miles loss in 12 hours parked overnight!!)�
Nov 14, 2013
GDH I picked up my car yesterday with 5.6 and over night I lost 7 miles. My car does not seem to go into sleep mode either. My handles also do not present when I walk up to the car. I am more concern about the vampire drain though. It was around 45 degrees last night so maybe that has something to do with it?�
Nov 14, 2013
brianman "If something bad happens, it's either Microsoft's fault or Bush's fault."
I think we're seeing a new corollary develop:
"If something good happens, it can't possibly be to Microsoft's or Bush's credit."�
Nov 14, 2013
AlMc Anyone losing this type of miles to vampire drain needs to contact a service center or 'owner experience' to troubleshoot the problem. My garage temp last night was about 45 degrees. My charge was 219 at 8pm and 219 at 7am this AM. My experience with 5.6 vampire loss is max of 3 miles in 24 hours when sitting.
Things that may help.
1. Key fobs 20+ feet away from the vehicle (mine is 10 feet but separated by a metal door). Close phone app/ipad app, etc.
2. Reboot the 17" screen�
Nov 14, 2013
GDH Called the SC and Tesla both said that 6 to 8 miles loss a night when the car is parked out doors in the colder weather is normal soo......�
Nov 14, 2013
SFOTurtle So I'm guessing they would tell me that 2-4 rated miles lost overnight when parked in a garage with 50-60 temps is normal too.�
Nov 14, 2013
GDH Probably, call them and find out!�
Nov 14, 2013
AlMc Sorry. I am surprised. I realize that garage kept probably does help save some of the drain but you are losing 2-3x my expected loss. At work my car is outside, but only for 4-7 hours depending on my work day. It was cold/windy today..about 45 degrees. Lost 1 miles in 5 hours. Just to see I will leave the car out overnight when the temp is predicited to be 40 degrees or less.�
Nov 14, 2013
GDH Yeah I thought it was odd too, if it continues I will have the SC look at it next week.�
Nov 14, 2013
Mjsais That concerns me. Although I have yet to receive ver 5.6, the rated range calculation should be a constant that only takes in consideration what the EPA rates as the expected watts used per mile in an average temp day at average driving speeds. By maintaining this computation constant, we are now in a better position to track our driving range performance relative to EPA (over a variety of driving environments) and also track battery degradation. If this computation is temperature based and or changing with each release, how are we going to track battery performance through time? If people are other measurements of range, maybe we could request tesla to allow for a user programable choice. In my case, I would use something like Exp Range = available battery capacity (watts)/350 watts per mile.�
Nov 14, 2013
Benjamin Brooks You turned the setting on, correct? I believe it was off at delivery for me...�
Nov 14, 2013
GDH multiple times. I will probably take it back to the SC next week.�
Nov 14, 2013
apacheguy +1. It's called "rated" range for a reason, right? And didn't EPA already determine 308 W/mi on the 85 kw? Hence, rated should equal that number without exception. Not too sure of their reasoning and logic behind changing the calculation.
I don't see a reason why rated range should even be affected by temperature. Now, with projected range, that's a different story.�
Nov 14, 2013
tdiggity I didn't read the "range calculation change" statement that way. I think what they mean is that they are measuring state of charge differently. For example, if your battery is cold, you'll likely see less miles because the battery pack cannot be read reliably. Once your battery is at optimal conditions, you'll get a better read out. But, you won't "gain" range as we've seen when going downhill for a long time, you'll just see it stick at the current rated miles for a long period of time.�
Nov 14, 2013
Eggplant @tdiggity I agree. They changed the SOC calculation, both estimating the current SOC and figuring out when charging reaches a requested SOC. This in turn will result in changes to a rated range number at a given SOC.
Unrelated:
Has anyone noticed that supercharger charges no longer seem to get added to the visited chargers list? I charged at my first SC under 4.5 and it was added to this list. But today, my charge at the new Rocky Mount charger under 5.6 was not.�
Nov 14, 2013
Bugeater I don't have 5.6 yet but I have noticed that I don't have ANY range charges listed. On my 5540 mile trip May - Jun, we range charged twice a day for 3 weeks! So far all of my charge locations are listed. Will watch once I get 5.6.�
Nov 14, 2013
Btrflyl8e I've always lost around 7 or 8 miles overnight... Since day 1�
Nov 14, 2013
araxara Minimum Cruise Speed is Now 17 mph
I notice that the minimal cruise control speed in V5.6 is now 17mph � Previously it was 20mph. Also, if you are going 17mph and press the cruise control stalk down, the cruise control is turned off � previously if would just stay at 20mph.
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Nov 14, 2013
AlMc Blue girl: Long time no talk! My experience is so different than many of the people here regarding 5.6. With 4.5 I lost between 6-10 miles overnight (12 hour period). With 5.6 I am down to 1-2. Not sure why there is such a difference. Since your 'Location' indicates Florida I would assume you are still in the 50-60 degree range at night?�
Nov 14, 2013
Todd Burch All, we went through this very same stuff last year when it got cold.
If your car is parked in cold conditions (near freezing and above), you may see a drop of 7-9 miles rated overnight. But that it primarily because the pack has been cold soaked, so the apparent SOC (state of charge) as seen by Tesla's algorithms is lower. The vast majority of that is not real range loss. As you drive and the pack warms up, some of it comes back.
Remember the wonderful Broder incident? He came out to a cold car, panicked at the range loss, and turned on the climate control to heat up the pack and get range back. That was his major mistake. You don't turn on the heater and expect it to add energy to the pack (Duh)! He should have just started driving, and as the pack warmed up, some of the apparent range would have returned. I think many of you are seeing the same effect.
I've repeated it in several threads now. A good tesla source (Walter Frank) has indicated that the car does not actively heat the pack while parked unless it's REALLY cold (sub 20�F?)
Speculation: In other 5.6 news, I called yesterday and Ownership said they're still pushing 5.6, but obviously there's little evidence of that here. I suspect they're implementing some rolling fixes and will send an updated build to the remaining folks...then go back and push the updated build to those who already have 5.6. Again, just my hunch.�
Nov 14, 2013
GDH Couple of issue that I have had in 24 hours.
Charge port not releasing charger
Tilt mirrors not tilting
Door handles not presenting
No beep with parking sensors
Car rolls forward and backwards at a stop (creep is off)
Since I have only had the car for 24 hours some of these things might be normal but the charge port not releasing is a concern.
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Thanks Todd, I have not seen those posts but I will not worry about it at this point. Tesla said if I was losing more than 20 miles overnight that that would be an issue.�
Nov 14, 2013
Todd Burch Charge port: car must be unlocked to release cable. Ensure the car senses your FOB before attempting to unplug.
Tilt mirrors: put car in reverse to set the tilt positions.
Door handles not presenting: ensure the option is on in the settings. Also, if the car hasn't seen the fob for 24+ hrs, you have to unlock manually using the fob.
Car rolling forward and backward at a stop (creep off): this is expected behavior, is it not?�
Nov 14, 2013
Benjamin Brooks My 8 mile average range loss in a 12 hour overnight span is all in a 60+ degree F garage.
So it's not a battery cold soak issue... even with 5.6 my car is consuming unreasonable amount of idle power (200-250W). I'll give it one more week to see if I can ever get sleep mode to work, then contact Tesla if not.
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Nov 14, 2013
GDH
Shouldn't the mirrors simply tilt as soon as the car is put in reverse?, I was not told I had to do anything else than put the car in reverse.
Car rolling, not sure my Volvo did not roll when it was in drive....that might be a Tesla thing.....still new to the car!
All else I get.�
Nov 14, 2013
Todd Burch Yes, THAT is unusual. Have you tried pulling the touchscreen fuse (Fuse 51), letting it sit without a fuse for about 10 minutes (let all capacitors drain), then replacing the fuse? Just a suggestion.
Also, I wouldn't wait a week if I were you. Call Tesla tomorrow, and ask them to pull the logs. If there's a bug in 5.6 that's keeping your car from proper sleep, Tesla will want to find out ASAP. That way I get the fixes in my build when they finally push me 5.6 in, say....2015?!?
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Yes, they tilt when you put the car in reverse. But the factory default position is the same as the normal mirror position. No reverse position is set until you explicitly put the car in reverse and adjust the mirrors while in reverse.
RE the car rolling: pretend you're in a manual transmission car, which behaves exactly the same way. If you don't like that, turn creep on.�
Nov 14, 2013
GDH Ok got it, thanks!.....you've been very helpful!�
Nov 14, 2013
Todd Burch No problem. This site is a gold mine. Spend some time going through it and you will learn a ridiculous amount about the car. Congrats!�
Nov 14, 2013
Kraken You might also have to save the driver profile after setting them.�
Nov 14, 2013
NigelM Only really relevant to loaner cars: when the speed limiter is set on to 80mph, the cruise control won't go above 73mph; push it a couple of times and it turns itself off.�
Nov 14, 2013
Btrflyl8e Hi! We've only seen temps that low the last few nights. Usually it doesn't get below low 70's at night. I don't pay much attention to overnight losses anymore, so I'll start tracking it just to see if anything changes with the weather. I've become so used to driving electric now all range anxiety is gone. I just plug in when I get home, unplug and go in the morning without looking, really. I sort of checked it the first couple of days after getting 5.6 and was still losing about the same, though.
My lifetime avg wh/mi is 315, which seems pretty good to me so that's what I pay most attention to!�
Nov 14, 2013
apacheguy So just to clarify, TM has halted the rollout until an updated build is available (1.45.xx)? Or are they actively pushing 1.45.45 OTA and will also be releasing minor bug fixes at some future time? If the latter, I would be very surprised as there is essentially no evidence of OTA updates within the past several days. If the former, I would find myself very frustrated. The deadline was several months ago for this update and, at this point, I just want the update no matter what.�
Nov 15, 2013
polyphase I learned last night that's not true. It was 37 deg. F. When I got into my car and within a minute of driving a "Battery is heating" notice popped up below the speedo. The fine print said something about normal power returning once battery is warm. The power dotted lines showed power cropped to about 75% and regen cropped to 25% of max.
I have FW 5.6.�
Nov 15, 2013
NigelM Actually, its not that big of a deal if you live in a warm climate. The only noticeable UI change is the map orientation and the only big advantage is the energy saving mode (aka sleep) so unless you have circumstances to worry about vampire drain there's no reason to feel frustrated.
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I'm not sure I'd agree. All the test drive cars have v5.6 and it wouldn't make sense for Tesla to be putting buggy software in front of potential customers; also there seems to be very few bugs at all aside from the odd reboot after install.�
Nov 15, 2013
mnx He was talking about the pack being heated while the car is not being driven.�
Nov 15, 2013
Todd Burch Correct. The pack *absolutely* actively heats up when you start driving--but while parked, there is no active heating unless it's really cold (I think <20degF was the number, but it might be even colder). And I suspect when it's really cold, it only heats up enough to stay in a temperature range to prevent damage to the pack.
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No. I was speculating based on the fact that we've seen virtually no OTA update reports here in the last week or so, whereas last week we saw many. I was just guessing that they found some issues (perhaps not with all cars) that they may be correcting before pushing to the rest of the folks still on 4.5.
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I think perhaps it's not an issue with all cars. For instance, it seems like there are a lot of 60 owners that think their cars aren't sleeping very soundly. It may not be a critical issue, so existing cars--perhaps 85s, for instance--wouldn't be of concern. Just thinking they're putting some fixes into a minor build before pushing out to additional cars.�
Nov 15, 2013
GDH Only lost 4 miles and my car has been sitting since 6pm not plugged in and it was chilly last night!�
Nov 15, 2013
bosgig Has anyone else noticed that the magnitude of deceleration from the regen when initially taking your foot off the pedal doesn't seem as aggressive with 5.6? Trying to figure out if this is my imagination or not. Sure feels like it's been reduced by 25% or so, although the magnitude of energy recapture in the display wouldn't suggest it.�
Nov 15, 2013
rlang59 From what I have been seeing it seems as those of us with 60s are getting the brunt of the bugs on this release.�
Nov 15, 2013
mnx I wonder if they have beta testers with the 60kWh battery... Of the few that have identified themselves on the forum (that I remember), they are early (sig) customers with the 85kWh battery.�
Nov 15, 2013
paco3791 Took my Car into the Service Center yesterday to get some things looked at, see this thread http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/10398-Model-S-Technical-Mechanical-Issues?p=497223&viewfull=1#post497223, and they gave me 5.6 update at the same time! Note that I am a S60 driver and though a long time TMC member I've only had my car for about a month.�
Nov 15, 2013
NigelM "brunt of the bugs" sounds like a lot; got any specifics? The only thing I have really been noticing in this thread is comments on the range calculations which seem to be primarily from 60s rather than 85s. Hard to see how bugs could impact based on battery pack size but it would be useful to add them to the bug tracker wiki if you have more.�
Nov 15, 2013
apacheguy Well, it is a big deal for those of us who feel that our car shouldn't waste a megawatt of power per year sitting in the garage. I've been a big proponent of sleep mode and have been waiting for over 1 year for a fix. So I would actually disagree that there is no reason to feel frustrated when there is a fix available and TM continues to push back the deadline.�
Nov 15, 2013
montgom626
I agree with your concerns.�
Nov 15, 2013
rlang59 I posted my issues up thread a bit. Sleep mode doesn't work to save range at all, I actually seem to lose more range with it on. If I have it enabled when the car comes out of it the Bluetooth, WiFi, and voice commands don't work and it takes multiple reboots to get them to work right. The passenger door response seems slower too, and the only thing that has changed with all of this is the 5.6 update. Personally I think there are some bugs and that the release should be fixed before rolling it out to anyone else. Of course there are those that seem to disagree with that opinion.
For the time being I have just turned off sleep mode so that the car is livable. When I have time I will get it into the service center if another update hasn't been pushed out by then. In the meantime I have let them (and ownership) know about the bugs I have been seeing.�
Nov 15, 2013
AlMc What I find strange is that many people seem to be having problems while many others (like myself) have none. I am not an IT/computer person so my next comment may be quite naive....Is it possible that the 'bugs' people are seeing are the result of a problem during their download? I ask because if it were an overall problem in the 5.6 firmware shouldn't everyone have the same 'bug'?�
Nov 15, 2013
tzejohn I brought my car in for annual service yesterday, and when I got the car back, they had pushed on 5.6 (1.45.45).�
Nov 15, 2013
liuping Sometime subtle issues with the hardware show up after an update that changes functionality.
Since Sleep/wake cycling was not available for testing/QA when the car was made a module that has issues waking properly would not have been caught at that time.
I would take the car and have service check it out. If it consistently takes multiple reboots to get things working, the logs should have info that will help them track it down. Then they can either fix the hardware if it's a unique case, or modify the software to work with/around the hardware behavior if it's a common issue.�
Nov 15, 2013
NigelM 1 MW vampire drain would put a different slant on things. Just curious how you calculated that amount of loss?�
Nov 15, 2013
liuping At 320Wh/mile. 1MW would be about 8.65 miles loss a day, which was pretty common before sleep mode.
Remember, the vampire loss it there even when plugged in, you just don't see it as lost range, since they are replenished from shore power. But it's still wasted electricity.
To put that in perspective, my entire house (not counting the Volt) used less than 7MW last year.�
Nov 15, 2013
rlang59 Assuming that Tesla has followed very basic rules for field upgradeable software, if there was a problem with the download it would not do the update. With that said, in my case it was installed by service when I was getting my tires rotated. Also just because one some people are seeing the bug and others aren't doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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I plan to do that, but it's a matter of having the time to get there.�
Nov 15, 2013
efusco Just another data point with v5.6 Sleep feature.
Sleep seemed to be working OK for me, but it was a bit hit and miss. One time I would run inside a store for 5-10 min and come out to find the car sleeping and have to wait those few seconds to boot up. Other times it would sit a few hours and no sleep mode...but that was less frequent.
This week I'm away at a meeting with my car left at the airport. When I checked the charge after 24 hours away I'd only lost 2 miles and the app had the expected longer delay to connect. Today, 24 hours later, I'd lost about 6 miles and there was almost no connection delay, suggesting that the car did not sleep after I checked the charge level the day before...possibly.
I've been wondering if the app itself might be a factor for those not seeing sleep mode...could the app be frequently pinging the car preventing sleep?�
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