Oct 6, 2015
finallybuying I'm planning to order sometime between November and February. (I have personal reasons why this might shift.) I know the old adage that we won't know when a new major upgrade to the Model S will be announced until it is announced . . . but ignoring that for a moment, if you had to take an educated guess, when would the next major Model S upgrade be announced?
By major upgrade, what I mean is a larger battery (100? 90 standard?), a standard center console (yeah, I know), or other major change that might make someone decide to wait to order. (Define it however you want, really.)
Again, I completely understand no-one knows. Just looking for speculation. What do you think?
(My thought is that the $1k incentive program expires October 31, and there have been previous major announcements in November, so by the end of November might be a good timeframe. But if not then, when?)
Thank you.�
Oct 6, 2015
schonelucht Tesla says there are no plans for a refresh of the Model S. Given Tesla's communication history, I can understand if you discount their own opinion. But they also have their hands full with getting the (or rather a) model X out of the door. Battery capacity kept the same for more than 3 full years before it got an upgrade just 6 months ago, so I don't expect anything new on that front for at least another year.�
Oct 7, 2015
vitaliy I was waiting for 4 month before pulling the trigger 6 days ago. If I can tell you one advice - buy it now because (1) you can get $2,000 discount using a referral from VA, and (2) no major changes can be introduced for at least 6 month, that will be worth waiting and not driving.�
Oct 7, 2015
tstafford My advice is to buy when it suits you financially and logistically given your personal situation. Trying to tie it to whatever Tesla is going to do is a fools errand. We don't even know when they will do the things they say they will do - AP Lanekeeping, P85D Upgrade, etc. let alone the things they haven't promised to do!�
Oct 7, 2015
wdolson The Road and Track article says they don't have plans for a redesign, and I can see that. There will be no major changes to the Model S for some time. The 90KWh battery was offered because it is the standard battery size on the Model X, so it was kind of a gimme upgrade option that cost them no extra engineering effort. There aren't many other features of the Model X that can be moved over to the S without some engineering effort. I think they might incorporate the X door handles at some point because they are simpler than the S, but the auto door opening is a complexity factor that would require engineering resources to retrofit. The only other Model X gimme I can see is the standard 72A charger. Tesla might upgrade the standard charger on the Model S to 72A. If it will fit in the same space the 40A charger fits in now, it won't take much engineering, just a bit of testing to make sure it works, though probably not much because the charging electronics between the two cars is very similar if not identical.
I suspected something was up when Tesla moved the dual charger from something that could be ordered with the car to an upgrade option on the S. This was probably when they were finalizing the design of the Model X charging hardware. They probably still have some 40 A charger hardware kits in stock and they will use those up before switching over. I doubt it will come as a big fanfare announcement, but there will probably be some kind of announcement.
The HEPA filter might make it into the S at some point, but the housing for that is very large and it takes advantage of the bigger height of the Model X to fit. With the S's smaller cross section, it may not fit easily in the space available.
I expect the next battery size announcement will be sometime after the Gigafactory is up and going. They probably have no plans for changing battery packs until they are building their own batteries and have more control over the price and form factor of the batteries. Tesla engineers have said they will be going to a rectangular battery at some point after the Gigafactory opens. That will allow for an increase in battery density of about 25-30%, but it may not be done immediately. I expect at least a year before any announcements of bigger capacity battery packs.�
Oct 7, 2015
vitaliy What is different on Model X door handles?�
Oct 7, 2015
electracity I don't consider a tick up in battery size, or Hepa a major upgrade. Well, perhaps MS HEPA would be important in China.
If Tesla was going to do something like a new dash soon, it would have happened with the MX release.
Of course they will have some improvements later next year, but that will always be true. Now seems like a good time to order an MS with little risk of buyer's remorse immediately after delivery.�
Oct 7, 2015
BerTX My guess is that towing capability will be added fairly soon. We don't know exactly what, if anything, was done to strengthen the chassis on the MX to allow towing, but we DO know that the early testing for towing was done using a Model S.
I don't think it will be a big stretch of engineering resources to carry towing capability over to the MS.�
Oct 7, 2015
blanche Well, for one, there are no handles! It's just a metal strip. Touching it causes the door to open automatically (and then close automatically when you sit down). So basically, no handles come out of the door and the strips are a non-moving part.�
Oct 7, 2015
Max* They got rid of the regular non-next gen seats in grey and tan. Is that a major upgrade?
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Oct 7, 2015
ecarfan The X style door handles are not "handles" because they do not extend and you cannot grasp onto them. Based on descriptions from people who were at the X launch event, they are "buttons" that cause the door to open when touched. So unless Tesla changes all the S doors to the powered style of the X front doors, the S handles will not change. I do not expect Tesla to add powered doors to the S any time soon. I could be wrong.
To the OP: Tesla adds features ("major" and "minor") to the S on no particular schedule, with no advance warning, and it is very hard to predict what will be added and when. Place your order when the car meets your needs. If you wait to order because you think something better is coming, you will be right: something better is coming, and you will never place an order because something better is always coming.�
Oct 7, 2015
taurusking I believe autopilot hardware version 2 might come out soon...This is just my guess
Next in line:
Version 7 and auto pilot features release
Better battery pack for Model X ?? Early 2016
Autopilot hardware 2 release...Mid 2016
Any guesses�
Oct 7, 2015
stevej119 Which begs the question, does the Model X already have Autopilot 2 hardware? Check out the photo from post2188 in the link below:
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/49500-Autopilot-lane-keeping-still-not-available-over-6-months-after-delivery/page219
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Oct 7, 2015
taurusking So Stevej119....It is matter of time before the Auto pilot hardware version 2 is incorporated in to Model S�
Oct 7, 2015
HankLloydRight fixed your post.�
Oct 7, 2015
finallybuying Thanks for the replies. Let me first just say I'm in a unique situation. Long story but it is easier for me to just wait to order until February time-frame. That said I want it now and am struggling with waiting. That's the basic reason I asked the question - looking for reasons to avoid ordering now as it would be better for personal reasons to wait. With that context. . .
I am a little surprised at the lack of replies speculating that changes may be announced during the October to February timeframe. I get that R&T indicated there won't be a body redesign (and agree), but would have thought some might be expecting more changes sooner to the MS - especially given the changes incorporated into the MX. For example, I would have thought folks here would speculate that some or all of these features (any of which I, at least, would consider a major enough upgrade to shift my order date to account for):
- 90 kWh battery standard (as opposed to an upgrade) (standard on MX)
- a/c ventilated front seats (avail on MX)
- paint colors from the MX available on MS (note: I now see that Silver is back on the MS, apparently due to MX having it)
- upgraded auto pilot hardware
I also, could easily see some surprises announced in this timeframe. Why do I think this? The MS is (still) the flagship Tesla. Historically Tesla has made major announcements in the November/February timeframe. Again, pretty surprised not to see more folks speculating more upgrades. I'm definitely a newbie so this is interesting stuff.�
Oct 7, 2015
vitaliy take a look [Speculation] September 29! What a day! What a lovely day!!�
Oct 7, 2015
ArtInCT Here are my thoughts...
First off, was at a Tesla showroom yesterday (Tuesday) to test drive a P90DL, a P90D and 90D and to understand the differences in the seats and sound system. Early on we noticed that the regular leather seat options had changed over-night with only one regular seat option available in black. Long time Tesla sales person was totally un-aware of this change and had no prior warning.
My speculation on this is that Tesla is probably either A) again simplifying the S line for production OR B) is trying to exhaust the current inventory of Next Gen Seats in preparation for a new version of the Next Gen seat (like in the model X). Time will tell. I am not certain this will happen.
Version 7 of the Model S software will be out within one month so expect that before Thanksgiving. I would say this is fairly certain to happen.
It is possible that a new interior wood trim choice may be coming as shown in the Model X. I am not certain this will happen but it makes sense.
It is possible that the nesting feature of the iPhone as shown in the Model X may make its way into the Model S optional center console. Do not hold your breath on this as the center console has been a enigma.
The very odd (to me) air filtration system of the Model X could perhaps find its way into the S... But really.... it is VERY ODD. I was horrified watching the X intro with how much time was spent on that one option.
Exterior colors come and go and I would say that you can expect a change in that area in the next 6 months if history is your guide.
I also think that version 7 of the software could provide some small level of performance to existing Model S cars or efficiency improvements....
Advancements in Autopilot hardware could be coming, however, I do not care for that option and could care less about it. Old School I know...:tongue:
I keep the Model S Options WIKI up to date so am VERY aware of how often Tesla makes a tweak here and there... usually TOTALLY UNANNOUNCED. TM should really take advantage of the UPDATES BLOG to inform us of these changes as they evolve. I think we are all in agreement of this. Someone inside of Tesla Motors must feel otherwise.
I will be ordering my P90D in early December for a late March delivery.
BTW, when I first started following the Model S, the P85+ was my car of choice, then it evolved to the P85D and now the P90D. My, how that car has changed.... and for the better. The P90D Ludicrous is one BEAST of an automobile. Yet you can drive it like a tottering grandmother if you choose. I just smile.�
Oct 7, 2015
wdolson Stats have been out showing the Model S market is something like 83% men and women were more interested in the Model X on average, than the Model S. They also know that a big selling point for men is usually performance, whereas women are usually much more interested in safety. So the presentation hung a lantern on the safety features of the Model X first. I think it may have been sort of overkill, but they did it to appeal to women.�
Oct 7, 2015
brianman Apparently folks need a reminder about how long Safety has been at the forefront for Tesla. This isn't something new for Model X.
Revealing Model S Beta | Tesla Motors
Revealing Model S Beta
October 3, 2011
Beta Reveal Pt. 1: Intro & Safety�
Oct 7, 2015
wdolson I think they are stressing it more with the Model X though because the demographic they are targeting.�
Oct 7, 2015
Fiver
One word: China.
No one cared about Exec rear seats in the US, but it sells well in China. China likes larger back seat areas for passengers as most of the well off in China have drivers. Lastly, as we all know, China has TERRIBLE air quality. That whole part of the presentation involving the super air filter was aimed at China, specifically the rich in large cities.
Tesla really wants to sell in China, it's (well, it was) a growing market. There are a lot of features that go into the X that have China in mind.�
Oct 7, 2015
brianman I'm just not seeing it.
Jump to Elon at the 15 minute mark here:
Tesla Model S first customer delivery - live event - YouTube
His first comments on the S are:
1. breaking the illusion, electric car best car, etc.
2. best car in any dimension: performance, safety, handling, ...
Again, the concentration on Safety isn't new to X. It was front and center at Revealing Model S Beta and it was the second listed in "best car in any dimension" when Elon presented the car to the first recipients. He then followed it with more discussions about NHTSA. I've never heard any other car company immediately talking about NHTSA when announcing or delivering a car.�
Oct 7, 2015
donv It does look like maybe the Founder's Xs have stereo cameras with a plate over the left hand one. Has that been seen on any Ss yet?
Stereoscopic cameras on the front? - Page 2�
Oct 7, 2015
roblab My new Model S 90D has more sensors on the mirror, just like in the picture, AND a black painted area on the window to the passenger side of the mirror, about 50% bigger than the mirror base. I have opted for Pilot Assist, and assume that one of the windows on the mirror base are for the upcoming Assist software. And there's no plate that I can see. It's a clear open triangle of glass.
But it ain't just on Model X.�
Oct 8, 2015
Soolim Can you please show us a picture? I can't understand the description. Thanks.�
Oct 8, 2015
Max* I think roblab had a sig without AP before this. So the 90D would have the triangular camera and the circular whatever that is. The black area to the right should be for EZpass mounting, since the rest of the windshield blocks transmission.�
Oct 8, 2015
ddimit Circular area is the rain sensor�
Oct 8, 2015
Soolim Thanks, I think I got it now, the website car has two triangles (cameras) and the middle circular is the rain sensor. The car shown during the event has only one triangle (i.e. one camera) and a rain sensor. So the Founder's car can be retrofitted later with 2 front cameras. Maybe the Sig MX will get it first?
If Tesla just include camera in the side mirrors for 360 view, that would be awesome.:wink:�
Oct 8, 2015
finallybuying One thing that I find pretty interesting: each time I view this thread, there are at least 3 people (sometimes more) viewing it logged in only as "guest". My guess is that there is a fair bit of interest in this topic.�
Oct 8, 2015
spentan Pics?�
Oct 8, 2015
aus I want LED headlights after seeing someone post them here on a car at the Hawthorn facility.
Model X may have them too.
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Oct 10, 2015
Raikkonen "finallybuying", I completely agree with you. I am one of those guests, and I've been snooping around here for quite some time!
My main concern, being a total gearhead, is not knowing ANYTHING about what Tesla plans to do (as "ArtInCt" mentioned, Tesla makes changes/updates completely unannounced).
I find Tesla's secrecy to be mystifying....
Finally making the jump to electric, I've been leasing BMW's for at least the last 15 years. The greatest aspect of the automotive industry, for a diehard like myself, is knowing what changes lie ahead, when it comes to things like new tech, new engines, facelifts, upcoming trim changes, options, platform modifications, etc., etc.
I've purposely prolonged my past purchases in anticipation of these changes...that unfortunately is not an option with Tesla.
The most disconcerting aspect of all of this, again for me at least, is I'm about to spend $90k on a vehicle that may receive major hardware or cosmetic changes 6 months from now, and I have absolutely no way of knowing, other than forum rumors, and retracted Tweets from the company's founder!!!!!
When all is said and done, the end product is not only fabulous, but now well established and worth the investment. I feel that as a consumer however, I'm (selfishly) entitled to know what changes are on the near or distant horizon.
I'll be honest in saying that if I were to be leasing another $30k Volt (which is the car that got my wife and I hooked in the first place), I wouldn't care as much, but for a $90k + investment, I'm somewhat more concerned.
I realize I'm probably in the car-obsessed minority here, but I would like my investment to remain within the current product cycle for at least 3-4 years...�
Oct 10, 2015
ArtInCT Raikkonen:
I read your post above and can totally understand your concerns. I too have had, and still do have them and I am just about 2 months away from ordering my first Model S.
I have been following the Tesla Motors Club forum here for almost two years, and being a serious car guy and computer technoid (now retired thank you) I could appreciate the
efforts that Tesla Motors has made in refining the Model S. Change appears to be inevitable with the S, some times in little baby steps. Never pre-announced other than the "D" (dual motor)
event but actually the "D" event was pretty much a guessing game... there was a thread here as to WHAT DID THE D MEAN?
The concept of entitlement of forward looking evolution, that you mentioned above, is probably not going to happen with Tesla or other high end car firms. (no one knows the next feature changes in the Lambo, Vette or Porsche as an example) For instance, while I was at the showroom on Tuesday of this week, both the senior Tesla Sales Manager and I found out at the very same time that the so called "regular" leather seat option was removed from the Design Studio. He had zero, none, nada, warning as to this large event. He knew that there would be some folks who were about to order than now were probably going to face a configuration and dollar issue.
On question for you... have you driven a Model S yet? If not... be VERY careful... Very. You may throw all that concern to the wind. As it were.�
Oct 10, 2015
ecarfan Based on observations by many people at the X reveal event, the X definitely has LED headlights.
It seems certain to me that in the near future the S will also get LED headlights, likely as standard but maybe as an option.
I doubt that Tesla will give any advance notice of LED headlights for the S, they will simply suddenly appear.�
Oct 10, 2015
TexasEV It's not mystifying if you think of it as buying a computer product rather than a traditional car. When improved components are ready they're incorporated into the product. If Tesla announced the roadmap you described the sales would drop to nothing waiting for it. Remember Tesla is build to order. Google "Osborne effect".�
Oct 10, 2015
wdolson Don't think you're in the minority, there are plenty of car obsessed people here. Historically I've been more of an aircraft than a car person, but I have been obsessing about cars to some extent the last 6 months. Though I come at it from more of an engineering perspective than a performance or luxury perspective.
At this point, I think the Model S is beginning to stabilize as a product. Tesla did a lot of tweaks in the first couple of years, but now they have the Model X to tweak and the Model 3 to get out the door. The Model S may get a few minor upgrades from the Model X program, but I don't anticipate anything major. The only big change I see on the horizon will be after the Gigafactory is in production. I expect there will be an expansion in battery pack capacity within 6 months to a year after the factory opening. But the factory won't be finished until the middle of next year, so you're looking at a year or more before the next battery capacity expansion.
I've read a lot of discussions here about Tesla's tendency to upgrade without notice. Some people are very ticked off they didn't get the latest gadget, but some others have IMO a better perspective. They observe they have been able to enjoy the best car they've ever had for 2 or 3 years. They may want the dual drive or Autopilot, but they are still happy they bought when they did. If they had waited, they would have missed out on a couple of years of enjoyment.
For me, anything is going to be a massive change. I'm currently driving a 23 1/2 year old Buick I bought new in 1992. It's been a great car, but it doesn't even have a CD player. The "smart" display consists of the setting for the climate control system and the outside temperature. Cell phones were suitcase devices when the car was built. CDs existed and a CD player was an option, but they were the cutting edge in entertainment tech. Satellite radio was still in the future. So was the internet as we know it today.
I worked for Boeing at the time and my office was across the street from the Renton factory (where 737s and 757s were built). They had lots of weird electric pick ups running around the factory. They were basically a golf cart chassis with a small pick up bed on them. That was the high tech of electric vehicles then. They weren't street legal.
Even though I know Tesla will likely release a bigger battery pack for the Model S sometime around the end of 2016 or early 2017, if I had the money to buy one today, I'd do it. I might look into paying to upgrade the battery later. Otherwise, I'd be grateful for what I have: the best car ever built at the time I bought it.�
Oct 10, 2015
ecarfan I doubt that. Elon clearly believes in continuous improvement. He has said, when asked what he likes about the S, that he has a hard time answering that question because when he looks at the car all he sees are the flaws. And he is a perfectionist. So the S will continue to receive significant, unannounced changes. I do not see that slowing down. There is always room for improvement!�
Oct 10, 2015
Troy Listen to this video after 17:28. HERE is a link to correct moment. Elon says "5 to 10% every 1 to 2 years" about battery pack upgrades. He said that in July 2015. That means somewhere between July 2016 and July 2017, a larger batter might be released. My guess is, it will be 95 kWh.
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Oct 11, 2015
Atlantis @ Troy. I'm more optimistic for the next battery pack. Remember that the mini-jump between 85 kWh and the 90 kWh was only because the new anode was available. But the 85 kWh battery is here since 2012, so if a new iteration will appear at the end of 2016/beginning of 2017, it will be a 5 years gap. And you have to count on that the gigafactory will allowed to produce the new 20700 cells. So I'm more for a new 100 kWh pack at spring 2017 for both Model S and Model X. Before that, maybe a 80 kWh battery pack for the low end of the Model X, at the end of 2016.�
Oct 11, 2015
Vizir The auto pilot hardware is the same on both the X and the S. EM confirms autopilot hardware on X and S are the same�
Oct 11, 2015
MikeInFL I know Tesla said "no refresh" but there'a a lot of miscommunication and lack of communication there. I would still suspect a light refresh consisting of new front and rear fascias and LED headlights. I wonder if they would offer a new wheel also, perhaps a 20"?�
Oct 11, 2015
Spit I would just like to see an upgrade from the Tegra 3 chipset. Does the Model X have a newer CPU/GPU?�
Oct 11, 2015
vitaliy I'm sure we are up to more surprises on Thursday.�
Oct 11, 2015
finallybuying Love the discussion here.
One misperception I keep reading here:
This isn't quite right. With the sort-of-exception of Apple (more on that in a sec), computer road maps have been pre-released years in advance. (Try googling "Intel product roadmap.") Even Apple has a pretty regular product refresh cycle. We don't always know exactly what's going to be new, but we do know well ahead of time that there's going to be a new product worth waiting a bit for.
Really though that wasn't the point of the OP (me) when starting the thread. Rather it was: Tesla clearly isn't pre releasing any information. So instead the best we have is a light hearted fun speculation thread like this!
LED headlights....hmmm, that might be my top vote so far.�
Oct 11, 2015
wdolson I've seen a lot of speculation the Model X has LED headlights, but I haven't seen any solid confirmation. In any case, the easiest things to move from the Model X to S are things that can just be bolted on. The Model S would probably require the headlight housing to be redesigned for LEDs, so if it does get LEDs, it will be a while. The easiest thing to port to the Model S is probably the 72 A charger. There isn't much else that can be moved without some redesign work.�
Oct 11, 2015
brianman Thanks for clarifying. I like that direction for this topic. It reminds me of the days when TMC first start speculating in depth about what became Powerwall.�
Oct 11, 2015
marty2112 Pretty sure we will see a new front, LED headlights, air filter. Question is how soon? If they want to meet 2015 delivery goals, will have to announce ASAP.
I'm holding for now. I think the new windshield may make its way over also....�
Oct 11, 2015
wdolson I don't think we will see the front end, nor the windshield on the Model S. The windshield will not fit as is on the Model S, it would require an entire new windshield part to fit the Model S.�
Oct 11, 2015
Grendal I agree about the windshield. The Model S has the panoramic roof instead. I think a new front and change to the rear lights are sometime in the future. When is anyone's guess. The design studio has a lot of work to do to get a prototype for the Model 3 out in March. Sometime after that will be a good time for the Model S refresh. May-June 2016 would have good timing.�
Oct 12, 2015
ITSELE Does anyone not remember what Elon said at the P85D launch last year? He specifically said there would be no major changes to Model S until Fall of 2015. Now since then there have been some changes like 70 and 90 batteries, ludicrous upgrade, LTE and executive seats. He apparently doesn't consider these changes as significant. I believe that we will see a significant change this fall as he claimed. I'm hoping this change will be the incorporation of Model X goodies into the Model S like removal of nose cone, upgraded processor, more powerful charger, maybe new wheels and improved autopilot. Of course since it's "Elon Time" these changes won't actually occur until early 2016. My WAG.�
Oct 12, 2015
Spit If I ordered my model S in November with a February delivery but they started making a new model in January do you get the new model automatically?�
Oct 12, 2015
dhanson865 Maybe.
If the production changeover happens before your VIN starts down the assembly line then the answer is Yes.
If the production changeover happens after your VIN starts down the assembly line then the answer is No.
Possibly, it depends, maybe...�
Oct 12, 2015
wdolson In some cases they have offered cheap or free upgrades to people who bought just before a change. It depends on what the new tech is.�
Oct 12, 2015
marchino I suspect that they would already know they were going to change at the time of order in November. You can't make significant changes overnight, so months of planning would be required. And since it would already be known, they would only advertise the new version for sale.
For example, I ordered my 70D (right-hand drive) in April, but the first RHD 70Ds did not commence construction until September.�
Oct 12, 2015
OverZealous Not just a new part: a completely new structure to the car. The entire top of the car has to be built around that giant piece of glass: there's no A-crossbeam to strengthen the vehicle.
Personally, I don't see the appeal. Yeah, it's pretty, but at the cost of a lot of functionality: no sun roof, no remote venting, weird sun shades, overly complex engineering (the main structure running front-to-back must be even thicker than the pano roof, right?).
I doubt it'll ever come to the Model S. I believe the one and only reason the Model X has that windshield is because you cannot have a pano roof on the Model X, due to the falcon wing doors. Basically, they concealed the fact that you can't get a sunroof, even if you want to pay for it, by putting in that big piece of glass.�
Oct 12, 2015
Fiver What Elon said at the P85D launch also was before they realized just how far behind they were on the X. I think a lot of the releases we saw earlier in 2015 (70D, new battery packs) were probably scheduled for later, but they needed to fill the year with sales once they realized that the X wouldn't be shipping in mass numbers during FY2015.
If early on you know you aren't going to make your numbers, you push sales hard and fast while you can to get every last one possible.�
Oct 12, 2015
wdolson That's what I meant by a new windshield, not only a new part, but restructure the car to fit it in there.
Personally I think sun roofs are very over rated. I've never wanted one, though I'm only considering it when I get my Model S because of the better head room and the ability to attach a roof rack (which I may need occasionally).
If they had wanted to on the Model X, they could probably of put in some kind of small roof window above the front seats without making the front windshield gigantic.�
Oct 13, 2015
OverZealous I think the like or dislike for a sunroof has a lot to do with the weather you live in. Where we live, we get lots of days where the temperature outside is perfect, so I love opening the sunroof.
A sunroof might not be for everyone, but I stand by the fact that they cannot put one on the X due to the falcon wing doors. There's no place for it to go. Even the smallest sun roof needs to extend back nearly 2x it's length, so you could only have a tiny sliver of a sunroof, which would look stupid and sort of defeat the purpose.�
Oct 13, 2015
mgboyes 100% agree. IMO the intention was that the X would arrive before Autopilot, before Dual Motors on the S, before the 70 and 90kWh batteries, before new cell chemistry, and definitely before any "ludicrous fuse" upgrades. All this stuff was filler while the X timetable slipped and slipped and slipped.�
Oct 13, 2015
Cyclone I really wish there was a 3rd option on the Model S (I would pick it in a heartbeat), a fixed glass top. Basically, a panoramic top without the sunroof components to make it move. I would get the lighter feel, hopefully the extra headroom, and avoid the potential for leaks, etc.�
Oct 13, 2015
MorrisonHiker Same here. I love the look of the car with the pano roof but I doubt that I would actually ever use it. A fixed glass roof would be a cheaper option that provides light but no leaks!�
Oct 13, 2015
finallybuying This is part of the reason I started the thread. From this statement to just the history of making major changes in November my best guess was a November announcement.�
Oct 13, 2015
Morgan To meet target delivery numbers for 2015 I feel they need to introduce a finite break in the incremental updates to convince people it's the correct time to buy. Inheriting a few of Model X's features would do it IMO. Since I just took delivery I'm hoping there are no major cosmetic changes, but I admit this would convince a lot of people to order a new car now.�
Oct 14, 2015
Max*
Me too. I never open my pano roof, but my wife and kids love looking out of it.�
Oct 14, 2015
sandpiper Tesla simply can't do it. If Tesla announced that there is going to be a specific set of design changes in 4 months, they would Osborne themselves or at a minimum it would force them into substantial discounting. Unlike the bigger makers, they're not building to inventory at all. So they can't afford to go 3-4 months with dramatically lower orders.
For the foreseeable future, they will have to continue to keep notice of upgrades as quiet as possible until they happen. It's frustrating sometimes, but it's the least bad of the available options.�
Nov 11, 2015
finallybuying Well, a month has passed since I started this thread and asked: When & what do you think the next major Model S upgrade will be?
and....no updates yet. I do believe that there's a good chance that some of the Model X updated technology will trickle down to the Model S, but the question is when. Any tea leaf reading would be welcome!�
Nov 11, 2015
Max* I'd wager a bet that it would happen after the Model X starts shipping, and since that hasn't happened yet...�
Nov 11, 2015
Ingineer Maybe the S will get the auto open/close front doors.
We already know they are going to Bluetooth LE for the fob.�
Nov 11, 2015
aesculus I am a current MX reservation holder and am considering the MS because I don't like some the MX features we have been seeing lately. In fact I am torn with waiting for Tesla to 'fix' these issues on the MX or jumping in on the MS before they screw that car up. Specifically I don't like:
* Non folding, pedestal mounted second row seats
* 48 amp charging limit
* New nose cone design - no choice on the MX
* Auto opening front doors - this can hopefully be turned off
Whenever they announce the new MS I hope we have a short period that we can still order the old one in case the new one does not meet my needs. So I have to watch the MX features, the current MS features and a new MS announcement. That will hopefully all happen at the same time so I can make the best decision for me.�
Nov 11, 2015
Reeler Here are my predictions:
Ventilated leather seats, perhaps with active cooling
Radar sensors hidden behind the skin like the Model X has for the FWD
Adjustable height shoulder for front seat belts
Holder for sunglasses
Center / back consoles that can be ordered with car rather than an accessory
Nose cone that looks more like the Model X
Tow hitch setup�
Nov 11, 2015
MsElectric All sound very reasonable. I also think the center console will become standard like it is with the Model X with the option to leave it off if someone does not want it. It's silly to have to pay for a center console for a car in this price range simply because you want a concealed storage area or a way to dock your phone.�
Nov 11, 2015
pdxgibby The only reason I got the panoramic roof was because the roof rack cannot be used with non-pano roof.�
Nov 11, 2015
brianman I'm curious what "new for Model 3 tech" will accidentally-or-otherwise debut in Model S or Model X. An example of "or otherwise" would be like how they introduced dual motors (Model X tech) into S to get some miles of testing/validation on it (and some sales).�
Nov 11, 2015
Max* 360 degree cameras! Too soon?�
Nov 11, 2015
brianman Great example.
I'd love to see (probably aftermarket...Artsci?!) someone tap into those 8 cameras to allow recording 360� movies.�
Nov 12, 2015
Reeler With this feature, we will be the new fleet for Google street view. Just upload using LTE as we drive.�
Jan 20, 2016
finallybuying Well, 3.5 months have passed since I started this thread and asked: When & what do you think the next major Model S upgrade will be?
and....no updates yet. I do believe that there's a good chance that some of the Model X updated technology will trickle down to the Model S, but the question is when. Any tea leaf reading would be welcome!�
Jan 21, 2016
ArtInCT
Well there has been a new version of the cruse control / AutoPilot stalk on the steering wheel assembly. The new version apparently is without the chrome button at the end. I have been told there are about 17 things that also changed which you cannot actually see.
For instance, as an example, in my SC, a new rolling skateboard which is a Dual Engine version has arrived. It is sitting next to the earlier single rear engine skateboard. If you look part by part, there are major differences in many of the parts. The first skateboard arrived in early 2014 and this new one is very new so lets say 3 months old at best. I would say at least 50+ parts have changed. These are parts you would not see. The front and rear suspension parts that are frame related have really been strengthened with ribs in the castings.
In fact I may post a photo essay of these various changes if I can get permission from Tesla to take some photos and post them here.�
Jan 21, 2016
OverZealous I'm a little surprised by that. It's not in use today, but it seems like it would be something nice to keep in case they want to add some functionality to AutoPilot that could use that button, since most cars have the button. As it is, it's probably more than a little confusing for new drivers because all 3 directions of the stalk have dual (or triple) functions based on how far, how long, or how many times you move the stalk.�
Jan 24, 2016
tstafford I've seen a few quotes about this. Am I crazy or does the button still function to disable TACC/AP? I swear to god that I use it to do that from muscle memory but maybe I am nutz. (I'd go test it if we weren't under 6 inches of snow in BNA making it impossible to exit my blocked in garage at this point.)�
Jan 24, 2016
Max* 6" and you can't get out?
We have about 2' and our street hasn't been plowed yet.... So I'm stuck too, but yes I think the button still does cancel AP.�
Jan 25, 2016
cytranic The button will shut off TACC and Autopilot... I have no idea why people think it doesnt work anymore. Silly.�
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