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2012/2013 Awards? part 1

  • Oct 26, 2012
    NEWDL
    I saw on AutoBlog Green that the finalists for 2013 Green car of the year were announced and I was extremely disappointed to not see Model S on the list. Are we aware of any awards given or potential awards in the works?
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  • Oct 26, 2012
    Tempus
    The only thing i could think of regarding that was the following comment from the article:
    specifically, "affordable mass-market", which is something they might have had a hard time making the argument for regarding the Model S
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  • Oct 26, 2012
    ElSupreme
    There is/was that pesky problem where no one could actually drive a Model S for quite a while. That alone would probably disqualify it in these tests.
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  • Oct 30, 2012
    Todd Burch
  • Oct 30, 2012
    gg_got_a_tesla
    It's going to be a close one with the Subaru/Scion given that the latter has the requisite sex appeal and the mainstream price tag.
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  • Oct 30, 2012
    brianman
    On a somewhat related note, it's somewhat amusing that Motor Trend already has December articles posted:
    2013 Motor Trend SUV of the Year: Mercedes-Benz GL - Motor Trend


    In a nearby article:
    I couldn't find a full list of contenders on the site. Bad site design IMO.
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  • Oct 30, 2012
    gg_got_a_tesla
  • Oct 30, 2012
    brianman
    Bummer. I was talking about Motor Trend though, not NACTOY. Are they the same thing?

    Also, there's still the issue that a competent content provider should be making what I was searching for (the full contender/nominee list) straightforward to find directly (via menus) or via search.

    That's at least 2 strikes against Motor Trend in 2012 for me so far.
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  • Oct 30, 2012
    gg_got_a_tesla
    Oh, you are right, NACOTY is not the same as MotorTrend's COTY. NACOTY is arguably more "prestigious" given the announcements around it during the Detroit Auto Show in January.
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  • Oct 31, 2012
    mcornwell
  • Oct 31, 2012
    contaygious
    Nice! Now someone needs to correct the user comments like the one on the picture saying you can't use the screen while driving,
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  • Oct 31, 2012
    gg_got_a_tesla
  • Oct 31, 2012
    R3dstang66
    Ive also read all the negativity. Its pretty unreal that so many people have a dislike for electric vehicles.

    Its a great car and since tesla is a new company there are bound to be some bugs. I'm just hoping people will realize once the model S is a great car. Its one step closer to getting off oil.
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  • Oct 31, 2012
    Discoducky
  • Oct 31, 2012
    pete8314
    They have a few nice photos, but I can't seen to get a hi-res view of them...anybody found a better link?
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  • Oct 31, 2012
    ckessel
    Despite the horrendously ignorant and partisan commenters, the article is great press for Tesla. Having their name pop at, or near, the top of various car of the year awards is a ton of free advertising and validation of the company.
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  • Oct 31, 2012
    Zextraterrestrial
    It is Yahoo .... I didn't realize Yahoo was still around :wink:
    lots of ignant posers
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  • Nov 1, 2012
    NEWDL
  • Nov 1, 2012
    Teslawisher
    Still, they are a voice (unfortunately). It's such a shame for most of the folks responding to the article. True - Most people can't afford THIS car (myself included). That's not really the point. If they were to take some time to review Tesla's plan, they would see they are working their way down the price scale. Roadster = 100k+ Model S = Ranges between 57k to 100k Model X (yet to be priced, but assumptions are S-like) GenIII - This is where we get down further into the 30k range. Continue moving down from there. No one has ever claimed this (the S) to be the "everyday person's" car. What they need to see is the plan and the vision, what they have accomplished, are accomplishing now, and are movig towards in the very near future, and that is performance that rivals the best, styling that rivals the best, and range that well exceeds the current offerings.

    Ahhhhh, common sense... it's a b@#$h aint it? ;)
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  • Nov 1, 2012
    Todd Burch
    You expect WAY too much from the everyday man :wink:. (And I use "man" in the gender-neutral sort of way).
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  • Nov 1, 2012
    Teslawisher
    LOL True true.
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  • Nov 1, 2012
    Zextraterrestrial
    I couldn't afford the S when I put my deposit in Mar 2010 but I busted my ass and got a Civil Engineering License and now I can almost afford it
    - the performance one!
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  • Nov 1, 2012
    Rob Fairman
    I'm not at all surprised at the ignorant vitriol in the Yahoo comments, that is consistently among the stupidest collection of posters on the internet. I would've expected a little better of Automobile's readership. The knee-jerk hatred of EVs reminds me of when I was a kid in the '80's and I knew, because I was told, that Japanese car were inferior junk compared to domestic cars. It wasn't until I was a teenager and I started learning about cars for myself that Japanese were kicking our ass. It will take time, if ever, to convince the troglodytes.
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  • Nov 1, 2012
    brianman
    Welcome to the forum.

    Tip: Insulting someone by using "words" like "stupidest" is a bit silly. ;)
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  • Nov 1, 2012
    mgemmell
    What are the other big awards to aim for? I don't know the North American market that well to know if the Yahoo or Automobile awards are a big deal or not.

    Either way, congratulations to the entire Tesla team... their first "real" car winning automobile of the year from any reasonable publication is awesome!

    After reading and responding to soooo many nonsensical negative comments to articels like these it is clear that it is like arguing with the crazies in the street.... you know you are right but you know you are going to end up angry and will impress no one.
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  • Nov 1, 2012
    ckessel
    I'd think Motortrend would be the other big one.
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  • Nov 1, 2012
    bonnie
    Welcome to the forum, Rob.
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  • Nov 1, 2012
    vfx
    Cynic says they are bought and paid for.

    - - - Updated - - -

    For the commenters:

    I would advise anyone in this comment section to drive this car before writing anything. You just can't compare it to any other car experience you have ever had.
    Iphone over cellphone, CDs over vinyl, microwave over oven, Google over Metacrawler. It's the kind of ride people pay for at an amusement park everyday. This is the beginning of the new automobile. Drive it and you will know
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  • Nov 1, 2012
    PopSmith
    I would think so as well but, unfortunately, it looks like Model S didn't make the Motor Trend COTY (2013) list.

    Based on what I found the Motor Trend COTY 2013 contenders are:
    Acura ILX
    BMW 3 Series
    Cadillac ATS
    Cadillac XTS
    Chevrolet Malibu
    Chevrolet Spark
    CODA EV Sedan
    Dodge Dart
    Ford C-Max
    Ford Fusion
    Honda Accord
    Hyundai Azera
    Lexus ES

    2013 Motor Trend Car of the Year Contender: Lexus ES - WOT on Motor Trend
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  • Nov 1, 2012
    Grendal
    It will be Motor Trend 2013 Car of the Year instead. It missed some timing deadline to be considered. Tesla rightfully chose not to focus on the awards and instead dove right into taking care of their customers and cranking up production. They gave Motor Trend a car but they were limited to one or two hours and by the time they could have one for longer (Elon's personal car) it was just too late.
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  • Nov 1, 2012
    teslasuperfan
    I think the list is not complete.
    Look at the list again, it is listed by alphabetical order. Subaru BRZ/Toyota FRS twins are widely recognized as the best affordable sport coupes in recent years and they are not even on the list which reinforced my opinion that the list is not complete.

    If CODA can be a contender, why not Model S?
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  • Nov 1, 2012
    aviators99
  • Nov 1, 2012
    brianman
    Every reference I found to the contender list stopped at the car being reviewed, in alphabetical order. I don't know if they're doing that on purpose ("alphabetic unveil of the list") or it's a glitch. Either way, not a fan.
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  • Nov 1, 2012
    PopSmith
    That sounds logical to me.

    I think you're correct on that. I tried to hunt down a complete COTY list but didn't have any luck. As Grendal mentioned, maybe it will get on the list for 2013.
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  • Nov 2, 2012
    brianman
    I'm more convinced after looking deeper that my theory of alphabetic unveil is right:
    • October 25 - Acura ILX [24/38, 25.9-34.4]
    • October 26 - BMW 3 Series [20/33, 36.5-44.8]
    • October 27 - Cadillac ATS [N/A, 33.0-47.8]
    • October 27 - Cadillac XTS [17/28, 44.1-60.4]
    • October 28 - Chevrolet Malibu [22/37, 22.4-27.8]
    • October 28 - Chevrolet Spark [32/38, 12.2-15.0]
    • October 29 - CODA EV Sedan [?]
    • October 29 - Dodge Dart [25/36, 16.0-22.5]
    • October 30 - Ford C-Max [N/A, 25.2-33.0]
    • October 30 - Ford Fusion [N/A, 21.7-32.2]
    • October 31 - Honda Accord [18/36, 22.5-33.4]
    • November 1 - Hyundai Azera [20/30, 32.3]
    • November 1 - Lexus ES [multiple, 36.1-38.9]
    • November 2 - Lexus GS [multiple, 46.9-59.0]
    • November 2 - Lexus LS [multiple, 72.0-119.9]
    • November 3 - Mercedes-Benz SL-Class [16/25, 105.5-145.8]
    • November 4 - Nissan Altima [22/38, 21.5-30.1]
    • November 4 - Nissan Sentra [27/40, 16.0-19.8]
    • November 5 - Porsche 911 [16/27, 82.1-172.1]
    • November 5 - Porsche Boxster [20/30, 49.5-60.9]
    • November 6 - Scion FR-S [22/34, 24.2-25.3]
    • November 6 - Subaru BRZ [22/30, 25.5-27.5]
    • November 7 - Tesla Model S [N/A, 77.4-105.4]
    • November 8 - Toyota Avalon [multiple, 40.4-43.9]
    • November 8 - Toyota Prius C [51/48, 19.7-25.1]
    • November 9 - ?
    • November 10 - ?
    • November 11 - ?
    I bet (one of) today's (11/2) review(s) is the Lincoln MKZ.

    Updated 11/2: Lexus GS, Lexus LS.
    Updated 11/3: Mercedes-Benz SL-Class.
    Updated 11/4: Nissan Altima, Nissan Sentra.
    Updated 11/5: Porsche 911, Porsche Boxster.
    Updated 11/6: Scion FR-S, Subaru BRZ.
    Updated 11/7: Tesla Model S.
    Updated 11/8: Toyota Avalon, Toyota Prius C.

    Some additional guesses:
    - Scion FR-S ("named Hottest Sport Compact at the show by SEMA")
    - Smart fortwo
    - SRT Viper

    Notes:
    - Oddly the Lexus GS article was posted sometime before noon Pacific with a timestamp of 10:47 AM. As of 5:20 PM Pacific, it now says it was posted at 4:00 PM.
    - Was wrong on my MKZ guess.
    - Numbers in brackets are MPG city/hwy and price range. I suspected it was part of their criteria.
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  • Nov 2, 2012
    NEWDL
    Confirmation my MT today that they are not finished revealing the contenders!
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  • Nov 2, 2012
    7racer
  • Nov 3, 2012
    Kipernicus
    Yes they wrote it in the Acura reviews:

    - - - Updated - - -

    Yahoo came out with a separate article to respond to the comments.
    What it means for Tesla to be our Car of the Year, and why it matters

    This closing statement was really good:
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  • Nov 3, 2012
    brianman
  • Nov 3, 2012
    gg_got_a_tesla
  • Nov 4, 2012
    stinnett_P813
  • Nov 5, 2012
    stevezzzz
    I posted a photo of the Signature logo on the side badge of my S here.
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  • Nov 5, 2012
    brianman
    Fair enough. I had forgotten about the Sig text on yours because the coloring was so compelling. :)
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  • Nov 7, 2012
    vfx
    If I were Tesla and MT said they have not had (a) Tesla(s) to test for car of the year, I would dedicate the next 10 cars off the line to the magazine put them on a car carrier to Detroit (or wherever) and deliver cars to each of their reporters at their homes the next morning.
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  • Nov 7, 2012
    Beavis
    It's officially a candidate per the MT website. Also per the website, the winner is announced on the 12th.
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  • Nov 7, 2012
    clea
  • Nov 7, 2012
    vfx
    So was I right?

    Or was i magzine confused? :)
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  • Nov 7, 2012
    NEWDL
    :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

    So happy to see this. I am sure that after word got out that almost all other COTY reviews were including the S they realized that they had no choice. It was a lame excuse in the first place. If you had the car a few times for write-ups you had the opportunity to check it out for COTY.
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  • Nov 7, 2012
    gg_got_a_tesla
  • Nov 7, 2012
    NEWDL
    I actually don't. Take a look at the industry and show me what manufacturer uses their mid market sedan to showcase and develop the brand identity. The highest end exotics are the ones who push the envelope and have that exaggerated iconic branded look. I know for a fact that Franz knows where he is taking the brand... The Model S embraces this look, but the Model S is not the car he is basing the "TESLA look" off of. The Model S simply took this look and ran with it.

    It will all make more sense when more models are presented.

    Your mass market cars are always "safe". I actually think that he did an amazing job creating a visually striking vehicle while maintaining mass appeal.
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  • Nov 7, 2012
    pete8314
    I don't know, a lot of mass market cars confirm and support an identity....Audi, BMW, the new Mercs, Ford, Dodge, Cadillac etc. I think the Japanese brands are less effective at this, Toyota and Honda do have an identity, but it's far from iconic. The Korean brands are a bland combination of everything. Personally I think the front-end of the S (and X) are a little soft, I would have preferred a little more aggression in the look, but in a sophisticated way (a la Aston Martin) rather than an angry way (Dodge Charger).
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  • Nov 7, 2012
    NEWDL
    Confirm and support I can agree with, but not create the brand identity. The more exotic and expensive cars set the tone and the mid market cars support and confirm this identity. TESLA is in a different position where they have brought the mid market car out before the exotic ect...

    I agree with their tactic to not create the brand identity too strongly with the S. Like I said earlier.... I will all fall into place soon...

    End of story is that Model S confirms and supports brand identity the issue is that the identity has yet to be set with the high end model that is not yet available.
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  • Nov 8, 2012
    Yuri_G
  • Nov 8, 2012
    contaygious
    The roadster didn't set any brand identity? Isn't the performance s a 100k car? Shouldn't that set some brand identity e.g. Audi s8. I wouldn't call the s a mid range car especially when BMWs most expensive cars are around the same price e.g, m5.

    Peter you are spot on with the aston martin direction I wanted tesla to go. I do think it is a bit too subtle, but hopefully that results in not scaring away conservative buyers who don't want to be seen in a an exotic and who were buying audis which to me all look very similiar to one another sans the r8
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  • Nov 8, 2012
    vfx
    The "failed to brand" concept is just silly.

    It's impossible to say the Tesla did not create a brand without seeing the next car.

    Maybe he is looking for an exaggerated vent scoop or a Fisker grill but every nuance of the Model S front end could BE the brand.
    And by the way, Franz did an upgrade to the Roadster front end to have both cars share the same design language.
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  • Nov 8, 2012
    Kipernicus
  • Nov 8, 2012
    stinnett_P813
    Popular Science magazine December 2012 issue
    100 Innovations of the year and has Model S on the cover.

    popularscience.jpg
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  • Nov 8, 2012
    gg_got_a_tesla
    Article's not up yet on popsci.com but, love the title "Electric Super Sedan"! :)
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  • Nov 8, 2012
    Robert.Boston
    Notice that PopSci has photoshopped out the chrome strip underneath the doors....
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  • Nov 9, 2012
    jcstp
  • Nov 9, 2012
    JRP3
    Sounded as if the old guy didn't think the S chassis was up to snuff from the clip at the end, but the Model S is front and center in the video screen shot thumbnail. A little misdirection thrown in with some foreshadowing?
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  • Nov 9, 2012
    Zextraterrestrial
  • Nov 9, 2012
    Rob Fairman
    Motor Trend behind the scenes of COTY. Nice long vid with some Model S goodness.
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  • Nov 9, 2012
    pete8314
    They put a poll up here in the run up to the announcement. I particularly like the their pros & cons for the Chevy Malibu, is that really the best they could come up with for a top 20 car??

    malibu.jpg
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  • Nov 9, 2012
    vfx
    What do I spy with my little eye?
    COTY-2013-Contenders-623x389.jpg
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  • Nov 9, 2012
    ElSupreme
    Hmm up front and (camera) center. I will agree that there is some seriously prominent placement of the Model S in a lot of their photos.
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  • Nov 9, 2012
    gg_got_a_tesla
    I voted for a certain electric car here :D It's lagging slightly behind the good ol' Honda Accord right now. C'mon folks, get out the vote!
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  • Nov 9, 2012
    Zextraterrestrial
    not anymore!!
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  • Nov 9, 2012
    gg_got_a_tesla
    Ahem... three different browsers from each of 4 different machines :D

    Gotta get back to some work now!
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  • Nov 9, 2012
    ckessel
    Vote early and often?
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  • Nov 9, 2012
    gg_got_a_tesla
    Why not? :) Till MT's onto me!
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  • Nov 9, 2012
    pete8314
    We're losing again to the accord. I'll post a separate post to the poll ;-)
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  • Nov 9, 2012
    JRP3
    Don't forget proxies :biggrin: Honda Accord? Really? :confused:
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  • Nov 13, 2012
    Discoducky
  • Nov 13, 2012
    clea
    interesting that the version of the Model S they have specified as a nominee is with the 40 kWh battery pack.
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  • Nov 13, 2012
    doug
    There's a $60K cap on the price. Not sure a 40 kWh Model S for them to test will exist by they time they're supposed to decide.
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  • Nov 13, 2012
    Vger
    They say they base the decision mostly on the Car Connection ratings, which rate the Ford Fusion (9.0) higher than the Model S (8.4), so interesting to see what they do...
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  • Nov 14, 2012
    gg_got_a_tesla
    Deloitte Announces 2012 Technology Fast 500 Rankings - Yahoo! Finance

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  • Nov 14, 2012
    VolkerP
    gg,

    to be fair this is a Tesla award not a Model S award.
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  • Nov 14, 2012
    Robert.Boston
    The metric Deloitte is using is peculiar: percentage revenue growth, 2007 to 2011. By this metric, a company that had $1 of revenue in 2007 and $300k in 2011 would be better than anything else on the list, and if you had $0 in 2007, the growth rate would be infinite.
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  • Nov 27, 2012
    doug
  • Nov 27, 2012
    TheAustin
    That is so great, I love it! Personally, I've had a hard time finding Motor Trend and Automobile Magazine on the news stand (small town, I guess), so I ordered copies from a site called MyMagStore.com...Most magazine issues are around $5, but FYI they typically only carry the current and previous issues.

    Motor Trend Magazine - Buy single copies of the current 2012 newsstand edition of Motor Trend



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  • Nov 27, 2012
    doug
    It's a great layout, though I'm wondering if PopSci was snuck in with all those car mags by the photographer.
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  • Nov 27, 2012
    Todd Burch
    Almost certainly. I assumed Elon himself to be the photographer since it's his own Tweet.
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  • Nov 28, 2012
    Yuri_G
  • Nov 28, 2012
    pete8314
    Something tells me Tesla won't be putting that on their home page :)
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  • Nov 28, 2012
    byt
    Not on the home page, but an award is an award!
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  • Nov 28, 2012
    JRP3
    It's prestigious, they said so :biggrin:

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  • Nov 28, 2012
    mcornwell
  • Nov 29, 2012
    drinkerofkoolaid
  • Dec 10, 2012
    clea
  • Dec 10, 2012
    mnx
  • Dec 10, 2012
    vfx
  • Dec 10, 2012
    brianman
    Not a fan of this philosophy. I'll leave it at that for now.
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  • Dec 11, 2012
    gg_got_a_tesla
  • Dec 12, 2012
    60TTuC
  • Dec 12, 2012
    Vger
  • Dec 19, 2012
    agileone
  • Dec 19, 2012
    AnOutsider
    Shock! Surprise!
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  • Feb 2, 2013
    Grendal
    World Car Awards

    World Green Car of the Year

    If it qualifies for the green car award then it should be eligible for the World Car of the Year award as well. If so, then it should be up for it.

    I just found out it was on the list - it just got beat out by all the finalists.
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