Nov 13, 2014
Dutchie Where are you JP, we miss you...:tongue:�
Nov 13, 2014
Chickenlittle Maybe we can approach him to publish on his own sticky thread here. I would pay to read it�
Nov 14, 2014
Curt Renz I hope not more than the penny he got for each reader at Seeking Alpha. Meanwhile, he appears to have transferred the title of SA Mr. Irrelevant to Logical Thought. The latter's SA FUD article today may have inspired deeper investigation by fund managers that could have instigated the day's rally.�
Nov 14, 2014
tftf Huh? He didn't leave.
John is still active on SA, for example he just wrote a comment today (Nov 14) on the site that I happened to read by chance (SA offers a feed system for new comments):
http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/1631091-axion-power-host/3433035-axion-power-concentrator-379-nov-5-2014#comment-43286765�
Nov 14, 2014
Krugerrand ...and still as pompous as ever, isn't he?�
Nov 14, 2014
Zythryn The thing is that is an end user argument for a single unit, not a business model unit.
He also omits how many of those $100k electric drive units he expects to sell.
If 100 times the number of cars saving 600 gallons of fuel sell as the $100k electric drive trains than save 6000 gallons, the car is still the better deal for the oil savings.
Of course, his favored AXPW released their 3rd quarter exults where they could no longer hide that they are circling the drain.
Good thing JP jumped ship, wonder how long his new ship will last.�
Nov 14, 2014
chickensevil Can you expand on the feed system? Where is this? Because I can't keep track of responses very well across multiple articles and it is really annoying.�
Nov 14, 2014
tftf I just pasted the comment and link above to show John is still around as an active commenter and contributor on SA, not because of its content.
Anyway, it's easy to follow his SA comments sorted by date here: http://seekingalpha.com/author/john-petersen/comments
@chickensevil: There's an RSS feed for each contributor on his profile page or (once you registered on SA) a 'My Feed' link for all SA people you follow, sort of like a Twitter/RSS feed within SA. That link is on the upper right corner menu under your user name.�
Nov 14, 2014
JRP3 And just as delusional, misinformed, and wrong. At least he had enough sense to severely cut down his exposure after years of looking like a giant tool. Amazing that anyone would seriously give any credence to anything he says at this point.�
Nov 14, 2014
Auzie Ours is highly diversified world. Humans occupy very wide bandwidth. There are so many of us on various parts of the spectrum that JP is likely to have a lot of likeminded folks around him.�
Nov 15, 2014
JRP3 He certainly had a larger following in the past. Cold hard reality has greatly diminished his flock.�
Nov 15, 2014
mkjayakumar .... thanks to the consistent effort of many of his critics who would take every opportunity to point out every one
of his flawed arguments.�
Feb 18, 2015
Dan5 Figure I would point out he's been relatively quite and not bashing Tesla in a while. It should be made known the amount of misinformation he spread, just in case he starts again.
Guess he has no need to since his AXPW is crashing and crashing hard. If you had 100000 shares at 10 cents a year ago ($10,000), that investment would be worth $680 today.�
Feb 18, 2015
rolosrevenge And he got his AXPW at $2 a share...�
Feb 18, 2015
dsm363 I don't feel that sorry for the guy. If he had been at least somewhat honest in his dealings with Tesla but he made it his mission to try and hurt Tesla stock and the company with his false information.�
Feb 18, 2015
32no There are definitely new John Petersens to take his place. Logical Thought, or Mark B. Spiegel and Anton Wahlman are constantly spreading FUD on Seeking Alpha and Twitter for example. There are also flat out conspiracy theorists who claim Tesla is lying about virtually everything. I think there has definitely been a large increase in the amount of people who believe and live by this FUD, and it was caused by Bulls becoming quieter and Bears becoming louder in their FUD. Now I'm not saying there isn't legitimate criticism of Tesla out there, because there is, but there is definitely a lot of baseless FUD to overwhelm the legitimate criticisms of execution and vagueness in reporting quarterly results.�
Feb 18, 2015
Robert.Boston Agreed re the new generation of FUDsters. IMO, the new ones are far worse than JP, who (a) didn't outright lie (much), but rather cherry-picked and selectively highlighted; (b) had an understandable agenda, namely his support for PbC batteries in hybrids; and (c) kept his discussion civil and his sentences well-formed. I may not like someone's argument, but I at least start with a baseline of respect for people who use language well.�
Feb 18, 2015
ggr And don't forget it did a reverse split between his $2 and now...�
Feb 18, 2015
Grendal Let us not forget that the Chinese shorting company, Citron Research, hires people to create FUD surrounding a company using false identities. Just because they've gotten in trouble for doing it doesn't mean that it has stopped.�
Feb 18, 2015
JRP3 Unfortunately that wasn't really true. When backed into a corner by facts he often fell back on ad hominem attacks.�
Feb 18, 2015
Auzie Note: bold is mine for emphasis
It may be the case, bulls are quieter and bears are louder. That could be interpreted as bulls are content and bears are acting in despair, as they are the ones loosing money.
Once bears accept their fate, they will go silent.�
Feb 18, 2015
dsm363 He would often insult people who didn't agree with them saying they had the intelligence of a 5th grader and or such.�
Feb 18, 2015
VolkerP *sigh* I miss him, too. :tongue:�
Feb 18, 2015
JRP3 I believe it's exactly this. The early arguments from Petersen and crew tried to focus on the technological "weakness" of EV's and the grid. Once all of those arguments were generally shown to have no merit, and as Tesla has become more successful, the bear argument has grown even weaker and their desperation has increased. Additionally bulls such as myself who were previously actively defending against the bear attack have mostly removed ourselves from the conversation since it's become so ridiculous.�
Feb 18, 2015
austinEV Well, apparently TM is the worst company on earth, i read it on the internet so it must be true: http://etfdailynews.com/2015/02/18/tesla-motors-inc-tsla-the-worst-company-on-earth/
Don't click it, it is horrendous. Actually, it is a pretty could work of parody if you read it in the right light. basically he is giving us the old "Tesla loses money every quarter and only exists because of government money and cronyism. TM benefits from government programs therefore deserve to fail".�
Feb 18, 2015
chickensevil Ah yes, and then you quickly mention the boatloads of money that GM, Toyota and everyone's precious Ford (who is quick to mention that they didn't take bailout money... well, yes, but what is that heafty DOE loan doing in your bank account???? HMMMM?) have all received over the years it tends to make them grumble and walk away. Or you know... Corn... the most heavily subsidized thing on the planet... Seriously, I think we can do away with all the high fructose corn syrup in practically every product you buy off the shelf. Moving on...�
Feb 19, 2015
Dan5 You know what I think would be funny;
If someone could compile a list of Petersen predictions, denegrations against Tesla, dates and a one sentence thing to prove him wrong.
I could giggle at that for hours.�
Feb 21, 2015
hcsharp He still claims to this day that everything he's predicted about Tesla has turned out to be true. He would deny everything. For example, when JRP3 pointed out to him his predictions of Tesla's imminent failure, he just responded by saying "These things can take time... I never said when it would happen."�
Feb 21, 2015
aronth5 I saved this awhile back knowing it would be fun to look back when he proved to be wrong. But as he said before he never said when:smile:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/318079-why-the-electric-vehicle-house-of-cards-must-fall
The law of economic gravity cannot be ignored and will not be mocked. Shiny new electric vehicles from General Motors (GM), Ford (F), Nissan (OTC:NSANF), Toyota (TM), Tesla Motors (TSLA) and a host of privately held wannabe's like Fisker Motors and Koda are doomed to catastrophic failure. Their component suppliers will fare no better. There is no amount of political or wishful thinking that can change the inevitable outcome.
And another:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/210951-why-tesla-is-unlikely-to-succeed
Calling Tesla an automaker is like calling France's tr�s chic Louis Vuitton, M�et Hennesy Group (OTC:LVMHF) a beverage company.
The bottom line is that EVs are only economical when you buy no more battery than you need and you use the battery pack heavily. That leads to a life and death struggle between range anxiety and affordability. When you factor in the other uncertainties, I believe plans to electrify passenger cars are doomed until gas prices increase substantially or battery costs fall substantially. While I think both are virtual certainties over the next decade, I don't believe either is likely in time to make Tesla a business success�
Feb 21, 2015
Zythryn I loved his prediction that Axion Power and Tesla stock would trade value.
This was back a couple/three years ago. As I recall, Axion was around the low $10s and Tesla around the upper $20s.
TSLA is currently around $210 and Axion stock at an adjusted 1� (45 cents, however they had a 50:1 reverse stock split).
JP has long since moved on and is pumping another company now.�
Feb 21, 2015
aronth5 Some more nostalgia
Go Axion:smile:
more nonsense from Mr JP
"Let's face it folks, it's time to kill the electric car, drive a stake through its heart and burn the corpse. Companies like Tesla Motors (NASDAQ:TSLA) are doomed because their vanity products can't possibly make a difference and have all the environmental and economic relevance of pet rocks. The only companies that stand a chance of long term survival are manufacturers of efficiency technologies that reduce aggregate resource consumption. If lithium-ion battery manufacturers like A123 Systems, Altair Nanotechnologies (NASDAQ:ALTI) and Valence Technologies (VLNC) can stop chasing rainbows and focus on sensible applications like electric two-wheeled vehicles that reduce natural resource waste, they may have long and prosperous futures. Manufacturers of fundamentally cheap energy efficiency technologies like Johnson Controls (NYSE:JCI) and Exide Technologies (XIDE) are certain to thrive in any event. The surprise winners in a resource constrained world will most likely be disruptive innovations like the PbC� battery from Axion Power International (NASDAQ:AXPW) which uses a third less metal while promising a 10-fold improvement in battery cycle life to optimize the performance of efficiency technologies like stop-start systems, stationary applications and hybrid drive for everything from passenger cars to freight trains."�
Apr 5, 2015
JRP3 I know I shouldn't gloat, but I'm going to :biggrin:
http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/1631091-axion-power-host/3877076-axion-power-concentrator-394-apr-2-2015#comment-50970076�
Apr 5, 2015
VolkerP This is no nonsense from JP. You're veering off topic. Wait until the admins get you! :tongue:�
Apr 5, 2015
JRP3 True, but I didn't want to start a new thread "Truth from John Petersen" since it would probably be only one post long :wink:�
Apr 5, 2015
Johan Wow JRP3, you never quite did let go. Nice follow up. Of course JP was pumping and pumping at least the last 1,5 years, since before the split. And as he was pumping he was selling his stock.�
Apr 5, 2015
JRP3 I am still an AXPW shareholder after all :redface: Best money I've ever lost on a stock :biggrin:�
Apr 5, 2015
Dutchie Wow, did he litarally mean that, "lost his castle". I know he is an arrogant sob, but this is really sad.
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Apr 5, 2015
JRP3 I think it was a partnership, or rental, and he moved out of it a while back.�
Apr 5, 2015
Robert.Boston I'm in exactly the same position.�
Apr 5, 2015
austinEV Can you explain what that means? Why are you happy about a loss?�
Apr 5, 2015
JRP3 For me it was just a small position as a gamble, so the monetary loss is minor, and counteracted by watching Petersen go down in flames.�
Apr 5, 2015
bonnie Didn't he have a friend/acquaintance who would come here upon occasion?�
Apr 5, 2015
Krugerrand Yes, name is on the tip of my tongue and now I won't be able to sleep until it comes to me. I hope you're happy!�
Apr 5, 2015
bonnie nico something?�
Apr 5, 2015
dsm363 If only JP hadn't been so rude to people he disagreed with I don't think so many would be taking joy in him being proven so wrong on so many levels.�
Apr 5, 2015
dsm363 Pretty sure that's it.�
Apr 5, 2015
Krugerrand It's not coming to me. It's stuck. It'll be archived...ah, nuts.�
Apr 5, 2015
kenliles You're thinking of Nicu
Nicu.Mihalache�
Apr 5, 2015
vgrinshpun Nicu.Mihalache.
I remember him well after few spirited discussions about... MS demand. He basically accused Elon of lying and waved off people who took Elon's word over his as belonging to the "Church of Tesla"
The irony is that these discussions were happening when Elon was planning to plateau global MS deliveries at around 20K annually. And here we are, on the path to deliver 50K of MS in 2015, and TM still struggling to increase production to meet demand.�
Apr 6, 2015
JRP3 http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/search.php?searchid=6467343
The sad thing is Nicu wrote some very good bull articles about TSLA on SA, then he got suckered by Petersen, turned negative on Tesla, and bought into the Axion story fairly heavily as I understand it.�
Apr 6, 2015
Robert.Boston I placed a small side-bet on Axion. Why? I believe that there is a significant, albeit transitory, market to improve efficiency of petroleum-fueled vehicles, and that Axion has a product that had potential in addressing this market. The side-bet was also a bit of a diversification play on Tesla, as I believe that the rapid success of EVs will be bad for Axion's business (and vice versa). While I'm not happy to have lost nearly all of that investment, it (a) was small, (b) was offset 100x by my gains on TSLA, and (c) keeps me on the mailing list for the SEC filings, giving me a ringside seat watching JP disproved. Call me petty, but (c) is worth something.�
Oct 17, 2015
JRP3 Someone taunted him in a comment on an old article, and true to form, he couldn't resist and took the bait:
:biggrin:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/633361-teslas-gift-box-inefficiency-wrapped-in-hype#comment-61972246�
Oct 17, 2015
MikeC I guess you really can't teach an old dog new tricks. Even if you take away his castle.
He'll go to the grave thinking that he will still be proven right eventually, simply because the alternative is acknowledging that he was spectacularly wrong for years and made a public fool of himself on the internet. Not an easy thing for the human psyche to do.�
Oct 17, 2015
mkjayakumar Here is a screen shot to get the full context of what was asked and his reply.
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Oct 17, 2015
stopcrazypp I had to log in to seeking alpha to see that comment and it gave me a chance to read my rebuttal to his article from 2 years ago about the dangers of Tesla's battery pack. My rebuttal actually forced him to remove a line from his article (a critical point of his article that said the Leaf was 92% safer than Tesla's pack just due to cell count difference).
Seems like he still stubbornly refuses to admit he was completely wrong so many times.�
Oct 17, 2015
Auzie The only thing I see written in stone is JP's refusal to learn from his mistakes
It seems that JP uses the term Disney economics as some negative term, not sure that I understand his reference. I tried to to get some insight by googling 'Disney economics' but I am none the wiser in that respect. Afaik Disney is great, stable US based business (last 5-year trend below)
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Oct 17, 2015
MikeC I think he might have meant "Mickey Mouse" but couldn't even get that right.�
Oct 17, 2015
Auzie
:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:�
Oct 17, 2015
rolosrevenge Wow, he goes back to respond to comments from articles three years old. That's rich. He's more delusional than I thought.�
Oct 17, 2015
nwdiver Awe crap.... I tried to warn people... you can't say his name too many times.... he'll come back....�
Oct 18, 2015
winfield100 be kind to JP. his fall from grace was spectacular. I really like the 1:1,750 reverse stock split as an example. he was always somewhat gracious in his answers. (1:1,750!!!)�
Oct 18, 2015
blakegallagher Lol, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice.... Beetlejuice!�
Oct 18, 2015
JRP3 I hope that was sarcasm, because he was not. The worst of it was deleted by SA moderators.�
Oct 18, 2015
jhm Vanity is truly the most ridiculous of the seven deadly sins.�
Oct 18, 2015
winfield100 bustedreverse split 1:1,750 (and stock still near $1.00. his last EV was a 3 wheel trike unenclosed from somewhere near Danville, Va. remember seeing a picture. not even as good as a Bug-E. remember Karma tho. do not take delight in the plights of others, what goes around. i feel sad for him a tiny bit. beetle-juice. beetle-juice
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Oct 18, 2015
JRP3 I don't believe in karma, and Petersen willfully lied and mislead people about Tesla, EV's, and his pet stock AXPW, all of which cost many people large amounts of money. Plus he is a petty bully. I feel no sympathy for him at all, and have and will continue to enjoy his fall.�
Oct 18, 2015
Oil4AsphaultOnly +1
I've had the displeasure of being verbally abused by him when pointing out the errors of his arguments. He would word things in such a way to make you feel small and ignorant, all the while ignoring any validity in your points. It got even harder, when his cronies would come and praise him for his "patience and generosity" when dealing with the likes of us "ignorant musketeers". It's very difficult to appear rational and credible in the face of such gangs of thugs. Sadly, his disciples of Anton Wahlman, cparmerlee, LT, and paulo santos continue to spread their FUD.�
Mar 11, 2016
Dutchie He is back!!! Yes, it's still allive! Oh, John where have you been hiding all the time
Cobalt Supplies Are A Gigarisk For Battery And EV Manufacturers - Tesla Motors (NASDAQ:TSLA) | Seeking Alpha�
Mar 11, 2016
mkjayakumar He is BACK !!! with a very weak FUD on how Cobalt supplies will kill Tesla.�
Mar 11, 2016
JRP3 Same old song and dance from the Black Knight of EV's.�
Mar 11, 2016
MikeC No contrition despite being spectacularly wrong on every article he's written so far. Not just on the wrong side of TSLA at $30 but his Axiom pumping lost some people a lot of money. Including himself. Maybe he is trying to buy back his castle one clickbait penny at a time. Because we know he's not making money investing in the market.�
Mar 11, 2016
Bgarret Oh, people, people, people...be not sad, nor despair that the Bloviator returneth - rejoice! Good times are nigh!
I know of at least one TMC champ that has intentionally, and joyfully, bought TSLA stock every time John wielded his digital pen like some Dolores Umbridge come to life. The one most powerful BUY signal since April of 2013 has not been some arcane technical indicator, Elon tweet, breakthrough technology or SEC filing....it has been John Peterson running down the company and the stock. The whole reason the stock has languished for the last couple years was his absence. It's ripping time again.
Joel....you buying the "news"?
Its go time, people.�
Mar 11, 2016
Joel Good memory, Bgarret.
I've been buying since the Bull Trap pre-earnings call at $148 - spotted that buying opportunity a mile away: short at $148 because TSLA was going to $90 to $120? :smile: Take on infinite risk for a 20% return? Then Citron "shorted" at $180 last week? :biggrin: Now JP is back? Hanukkah in March��
Mar 12, 2016
mkjayakumar Soon after the two Model S fires, JP enthusiastically and eloquently waxed how the 7000+ cells in a Model S is a time bomb waiting to explode and a Tesla burning in very street corner is a sure thing. To make it sound authentic he gave numbers, math, statistics - all cherry picked analysis - such that any naive person would totally believe it.
Today he still has the audacity to say, though he has been wrong on the direction of the stock, he stands behind every observation he made on Tesla.
Most of the usual SA bear commentators have stayed out of his latest hit piece, and some are even pointing out his total lack credibility.�
Mar 16, 2016
Auzie So right you are sir
JP got back on the grid wielding his magic TSLA pen and look what we got in that period
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Mar 16, 2016
Bgarret Tesla investors should swarm to Seeking Alpha, give him clicks and cheer him to keep writing....he's like a gas can on a dumpster fire that powers Tesla stock up & up.
Maybe he can team up with Andrew Left from Citron and co-author some pieces.�
Mar 31, 2016
Dan5 In Petersens most recent article his unbridled zeal to attack Tesla and attack EVs in general made a case for investing in Tesla vs other EV technology.
Think about it for a moment: He went on a rant about cobalt shortages, well guess what Tesla uses NCA which has a lower usage of cobalt than the others which use NCM.
Therefore Tesla is less sensitive than others to the cobalt prices.�
Mar 31, 2016
neroden Embarassingly shallow, isn't he? Cobalt is a key mineral and does have supply chain issues, but Petersen claims to have done a "deep dive" into cobalt sourcing... and he didn't. He didn't go through any of the juniors with speculative mines. Didn't list off a single one. Same with the other minerals he looked at -- he doesn't bother to list off the potential supplies. That ain't a deep dive.�
Apr 6, 2016
Joel Do not look a gift horse in the mouth. The moment John Petersen publishes anything, buy TSLA. I am not being sarcastic or funny.
I have made significant purchases every time he publishes articles. Bgarrett can vouch for me. Simply chart his article(s) against TSLA's stock price.
I'm not here to boast or brag, I'm here to help out TSLA investors. JP's articles are bar none the best buy indicator going back 5 or 6 years.�
Apr 6, 2016
Bgarret Vouched....had that discussion while rolling with a group of Teslas down the PCH 2 years ago at TMC Connect(right Rolo)...sound investment advice.�
May 25, 2016
Dutchie Now he trying it on a different site. Guess response in Seeking Alfa became to hostile to him...
Petersen critiques Tesla's cobalt, lithium and graphite disclosure for EV batteries | InvestorIntel�
May 25, 2016
rolosrevenge This makes me happy. I'm glad that after his own misguided advice has cost him a fortune and he's lost his Swiss castle, he still stubbornly sticks to his guns.�
May 25, 2016
Bgarret Funny. Bought a fistful of options today before you posted JP had written an article. Love that I front ran him this time.�
May 25, 2016
tander I will say something positive about JP since the karma in this thread is pretty rough. I had messaged him about comparison companies for Tesla several years ago, in terms of valuation and profitability, which I couldn't really think of any good ones. He mentioned Amazon, which I think he meant in a bad way, but I still think it was a great comparison and it is still one of the best comparisons today for Tesla IMO (and ironically AMZN has also gone up a few hundred percent since then).
Still wonder what his deal his, seems like he has an axe to grind for some reason(s). Too bad really because he seems like a fairly smart guy with some real experience.�
May 25, 2016
Oil4AsphaultOnly Look up Axion Power. He was deeply invested in it and Tesla with their Li-Ion batteries were going to upend their world back in 2010�
May 25, 2016
tander Yeah I remember that, but I thought they went bankrupt or something and he would have moved on by now. Guess it was a big hit.�
May 26, 2016
JRP3 Feel no pity. He cost the poor souls who listened to him millions of dollars.�
May 29, 2016
RobStark Axion Power is still around just the stock AXPW went from an ATH ~$7 to ~ $0.015.�
May 29, 2016
ggr Sorry to be picky, but you forget that AXPW did not one, but two, reverse splits. They did 1:50, and 1:35. Their IPO price, of what would today be a single share, was about $21,000.�
Jun 2, 2016
kenliles 'a tale of momentum & inertia'
for the benefit of TSLA shorts living in retro-castles:
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Jun 2, 2016
Johan Well Ken, that was just poetic�
Jun 13, 2016
smorgasbord It's been almost 5 years since Petersen posted (http://seekingalpha.com/article/296317-plug-in-vehicles-weighed-in-the-balance-and-found-wanting#comment-1942657):
So here we are just a couple weeks away from the 3rd anniversary of his prediction, with Tesla over $200 and Axion (pre-reverse-split) at $0.00001 How many orders of magnitude wrong is that?�
Jun 13, 2016
adiggs Looks like 7 orders of magnitude wrong. That's so wrong, our human brain has a hard time grokking just how big that is. That's 4 orders of magnitude beyond "become a millionaire by starting as a billionaire and starting a car company / airline" (which is only a 3 order of magnitude value destruction). Do that twice (turn billions into millions), and then lose another order of magnitude.�
Aug 2, 2016
SebastianR I'm confused. Is Axiom Power the same as Axiom Energy?
Tesla co-founder and CTO JB Straubel invests in new energy storage startup Axiom Exergy
Edit: Ah Axion vs. Axiom if I understand correctly. Was worried there for a sec. Will leave the post in case anybody else makes my mistake.�
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