Jul 27, 2009
johnr I was just thinking, some electric cars have the charging port in front, such as the EV1, RAV4EV, the new Nissan EV, etc.
And some have it on the side near the rear, like the Tesla Roadster, Smart ForTwo EV, Mitsubishi's i-MiEV, etc.
So which do you prefer?
Where will it be on the model S?
I would think it would be most convenient to have the charging port in the front, since it would be closest to the chargers at parking lots, and closest to an outlet at home for those who don't have a garage.�
Jul 27, 2009
Tdave I was told Model S will have it rear left, just like the Roadster.�
Jul 27, 2009
doug 
The current concept vehicle has it on the side. I think somewhere on the front makes the most sense. In addition to what johnr mentioned, it also prevents one from having the charging cable sticking out into traffic when parallel parked.�
Jul 27, 2009
efusco I'd sure prefer the front end, maybe hidden behind a logo or the license plate (realizing some people won't have a front tag. It seems the most inconspicuouos if you need to leave it plugged in in a public place where a prankster might want to unplug you for the fun of it.
Also, a dual plug charger could more easily accomodate 2 cars if it's placed b/w and in front of 2 parking slots. Even in my home garage the cord would be much less in the way in front b/c it's less likely someone will trip over it on the way to get into the car.�
Jul 27, 2009
woof I've always hoped there would be multiple charging port locations. I can see the advantage of having ports hidden behind fold down license plates when charging at charging stations. On the other hand, an overhead ceiling mounted power box with a pull down retractable cable that plugs into a port near the top of the car or trunk would be nice for garages (and keep the cables off the floor and out of the way when the car is absent). I don't see why a given vehicle couldn't have all three.�
Jul 28, 2009
SByer High-current charging takes pretty thick and heavy copper, I wouldn't want the extra weight in the Roadster. The stated reason for the position is that you see it every time you get in/out of the car, making it harder to forget to plug it in or unplug it.
My only beef is that the MC120 charger needs additional strain relief on the car side to keep the cable off of the paint. I've been thinking about wrapping something extra around there to help with that.�
Jul 28, 2009
tdelta1000 I feel that the charging port is in the correct place on the rolling test Model S but it would be nice to have second port somewhere on the car.
One thing to keep in mind that a second port will add weight to the Model S and weight is an enemy to EVs. Along with that, an indicator should be included on the dash showing the "S" is being charged. Just my two cents.�
Jul 28, 2009
vfx Long ago it was suggested that the Roadster have identical charge ports on both sides. It was looked into but by that time there were too many things to change by then.
The best charge plugs are located in the front and back of a car.�
Jul 28, 2009
Arnold Panz Amen. It looks to me like the location in the picture is really meant to be similar to where a gas tank would go. That made some sense on the Roadster because they were riffing on the Lotus body, but for a brand new design why not have the plug in the most logical spot, which is the front and/or back of the car?�
Jul 29, 2009
malcolm My 2c from 2007
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/1529-post3.html
Happier times....�
Jul 29, 2009
ChrisC I agree, that's a serious issue right there. If they had it anywhere away from the driver's side door, they would need to have an interlock on it, preventing you from moving the car if it was plugged in. Should be simple enough, and perhaps they've already done this. But without such an interlock -- no way.
Tangentially, supposedly the J1772 standard was going to get voted on this week at an SAE meeting, but I haven't heard yet what the result of that was.�
Jul 29, 2009
efusco An interlock would need to be there with any plug placement. If you want to alert the driver then put a little alarm on the driver's door that beeps if you open it with the car still plugged in.
IMO priority for the charging port should be charger placement convenience, and by that standard the front center is the most universal.�
Jul 29, 2009
vfx Easy peezy.
The Roadster does not work with the car plugged in.
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to gasoline powered cars.
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Jan 13, 2011
Tommy Charging Port Door Location
I realize this is speculation on my part, but after looking at the Alpha build displayed at the Detroit Auto Show, I believe the location of the charging port is going to be either the front panel driver's side (a la Volt) or the front grill (a la Leaf). I don't think the charging port will be located at the Driver's side rear panel as we have seen in past photos of the S.
My reasons:
1. Location of the electric motor is on the driver's side, PEM on the passenger side. If charging were done using PEM, the PEM I think would have been located on driver's side to save on wiring. Locating the charging port on the passenger side I think would not be good engineering practice due to the increased risk of driving off with the vehicle plugged in.
2. Conformity and convenience: Ford, GM, Nissan all have charging ports located either at the front or front driver's side of vehicle; public chargers are located at the front of parking stalls and driving forward into a parking stall is simpler than backing into a stall. Also a passenger side location requires walking around vehicle to plug/unplug after exiting/entering vehicle.
3. Swappable battery design: If you look at the front of the battery pack there is a "hump" with "TESLA" imprinted. I am speculating this is the electronic module that controls the rate of charge to the battery (it may or may not contain the AC/DC converter). The shortest distance to connect the charging port to the AC/DC converter than to the electronic module to charge the battery would place the charging port at either the drivers front panel or the front grill of the vehicle
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Just some thoughts till we see what Tesla comes up with.�
Jan 13, 2011
Doug_G Personally I hope they put the port on the front of the car. It would be a heck of a lot more convenient for garage installation of the power source. We had to run a huge cable down the length of my garage to connect the HPC, and it inconveniently ended up on the far side of the vehicle.
If the port was on the front, the power outlet or HPC could simply be on the back wall of the garage - which in my house, and probably many others, is where the power comes from.�
Jan 13, 2011
KenEE If it was on the very front that would be bad as the nose of the car is too close to the garage wall.
So for my last two garages, the Volts position is ideal. I'm trying to think of a case where a nose mounted port would be preferable but I can't imagine one except maybe in an open parking lot - but even then cars often butt noses. So the charge port just ahead of the driver door seems best to me.�
Jan 13, 2011
bolosky I'd be amazed if they didn't do something similar to the Roadster. If the charge port door is opened, you can't move the Roadster, you just get a warning message and it won't switch out of P.�
Jan 13, 2011
Tommy True enough, however it's never good to rely on a fail safe system to correct a design shortcomming; thus the reason placement on the passenger side should not be considered.�
Jan 13, 2011
TEG Keep in mind that they sell both left and right hand drive versions for different global markets.
So, unless they move the charge port location too, some of the cars can end up with it on the 'wrong' side.�
Jan 13, 2011
doug I've always thought the charge port should either be on the front passenger side or on the nose for curb side charging while parallel parked. KenEE brings up a good point, though. City street parking is often bumper to bumper.
Merging with a similar thread. Be sure to skim above to see what has been said before.�
Jan 13, 2011
Tommy Point well taken, I can envision Tesla making both left and right front quarter panels versions with the charging port cutout to accomodate either a left or right hand drive vehicle. My concern with the passenger side placement was more to do with the rear side panel mount of either the left or right hand drive version not providing the convience or visual cue of being plugged in as would a front or front side location.�
Jan 14, 2011
Zorba I hope they use a cover that "slides" into the car, rather than one that flips open like a regular car. Wouldn't want to charge my car in public and to return finding the cover being cracked by some lowlife.�
Jan 16, 2011
strider Well, no matter where they put it it's guaranteed to be bad for someone. The current Roadster position is perfect for my home charging. My washer and dryer is in front my my car so having a cord there would be a PITA. My garage already had a 40A circuit on the side wall. I just turned the socket upside down and used some bicycle hooks to run the UMC up and across the ceiling and then down to the charge port. When I leave the plug tucks in with the cord above.
That being said, for public charging it makes sense to put it in the front - no worries about the cord being too short.�
Apr 14, 2011
richkae Where to put the charging port?
I think Nissan did it right by putting the charging ports on the nose of the car.
Fuel filling at the side of the car makes sense because you are in and out so fast - you dont reverse your way out.
Charging is mostly going to be nose in parking.
I think that Tesla should do the same with the Model S.
They are most likely going to need to put 2 charging ports on every car ( one AC and one DC ), so you can either have 2 little doors like the iMiev or one big door like the Leaf.
I would rather have one big door with both ports under it.
If they are going to have one big door, I think they should consider leaving enough space under the door for 3 charge ports and making each one modular.
Thoughts?�
Apr 14, 2011
TEG Agree.�
Apr 14, 2011
shark2k The problem I have with that is I prefer to back in to spots (as long as they are not pull in only). I prefer to do the "work" when I get to the spot then having to worry about looking around and dealing with trying to see past bigger cars. I normally only pull in when I get a pull through, because that is even easier than backing in :biggrin:.
Of course I am just one person and if needed I can pull into spots when needing to charge.
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Apr 14, 2011
Jaff The front is probably the optimum spot, but it shouldn't interfere with the overall look of the car...the Leaf port "door" looks a little chincy.�
Apr 14, 2011
doug I think this is how most people are taught to park in Japan (most I've met anyhow), but that doesn't seem to be an issue for the Leaf.�
Apr 15, 2011
shark2k Really? That is interesting (in regards to people being taught to park that way). As I said, it's not like I would need to charge everytime I park, so it's not really like it would be a problem. Also like I mentioned before I would be able to just pull in for those times I do need to charge. And if I don't need to charge I wouldn't be parking in that spot anyway to keep it open for somebody that does need to charge.
-Shark2k�
Apr 15, 2011
NigelM It would be easy to put a NEMA14-50 outlet in my garage ceiling; then thread the cable through a spring rewind reel:
Conductix Economy Spring Rewind Electric Cord Reel - Garage Hose Reels at Hose Reel Source
Possible?�
Apr 15, 2011
TEG Casual image search on "Japan Parking Lot" confirms many images of people parking backed in...
Lately when I took my kids to camps, the parking attendants tend to insist on back in parking saying that if there were some sort of emergency (such as a forest fire) it is quicker to get people out that way.�
Apr 15, 2011
richkae The cable from my mobile charger ( Nema 14-50 plug ) is about twice the diameter ( 3/4 inch ) of the beefiest regular 110v extension cord I have ( 3/8 inch )
I've never seen a spring rewind cord reel that handles cable that big. The stuff is pretty heavy too, I wouldnt ever want to worry about it falling on me.�
Apr 17, 2011
bonnie Yep. I've worked in Puerto Rico off and on over the years & all of the companies I dealt with required (not suggested, but required) all employees to back into spots. It was believed that during a hurricane emergency, evacuation would be easier.
And since getting my Roadster, I find that I back in more and more. I can see traffic before backing in and then no issue with backing out and not being seen.�
Apr 18, 2011
SByer Like the one-space vs. two-space issue, I'm willing to have my mind changed. I'm going to have to try it.�
Apr 18, 2011
doug The TEPCO folks make arguments along these lines for having two ports (since their CHAdeMO connector is not going to be compatible with the SAE proposed hybrid AC DC-fast-charge port).
Plug-In 2010: Two Solutions for DC Fast Charging of EVS Thomas W. Lewis
However, I'll point again to the Leaf, which has two separate ports but has them right next to each other.�
Apr 19, 2011
dsm363 I wouldn't mind that. DC charge port in the front and the J1772 port on the back left (or front left would be even better).�
Apr 19, 2011
dpeilow I'd like to see a CHAdeMO next to that combined Mennekes DC port over here. Covers all the bases*. But then you need to keep both cable runs short.
*elsewhere replace Mennekes with the J1772 DC. Either way CHAdeMO is going to be needed.�
Apr 19, 2011
kgb Impossible with the item to which you hyperlinked. I had a similar thought which I ultimately abandoned. An intermediate idea I had which I also abandoned was to hang the cord from above using a series of bungie cords. Was more trouble than it was worth. Somewhere in this forum, someone mentioned a garden hose hanger. It is not nearly as slick, but it keeps my cord off the ground.
Amazon.com: Suncast Garden Hose Hangout, Taupe HH150: Patio, Lawn Garden�
Apr 19, 2011
vfx At my spot the car is next to the plug and I was worried that a coiled cable might get too hot when plugged in so I went with two garden hose reels next to each other (not plastic). That way there is plenty of air around the casings.�
Apr 20, 2011
strider My garage ceiling is pretty low so I bought some rubber-coated bicycle hooks that I screwed into the ceiling and hang the cord from that. Been meaning to take some pictures.�
Jun 1, 2011
doug Ford says left front fender is "optimal" charge port location Autoblog Green�
Jun 1, 2011
TEG Having the charge port in the nose of both my RangerEV and Leaf works well as my home EVSE is directly in front of the parking space.�
Jun 1, 2011
vfx Glad they don't have the power to mandate this. Though when I'm driving any ICE but my own I always have a 50 50 chance on which side is right when I pull in for gasoline. Now extrapolate that to 20 years in the future and renting a new electric. Now the port location has the added perplexity of being in the front as well as back and either side.�
Jun 1, 2011
strider Hmm. That is a good point about minor fender benders. Would be a lot more expensive if you crunch your charge port(s). Front won't work for me as I have washer/dryer and shelves in the front of the cars in my garage. Power plugs are down each wall so side is best for me. This is kind of like the early days of cars when nothing was standard - location of pedals, instruments, etc. Eventually the market will standardize and garages and charging stations will converge.�
Jun 3, 2011
roblab Looks somewhat like the mod I photo shopped a few weeks ago, thankyewveramuch.
But to go off topic, is that a **charge port** behind the rear door on the driver's side??
The black paint makes it hard, but I see a push button behind the door, and then something else about 4 inches further back, or maybe I am trying too hard.
I don't think I would go into a high end car dealer, though, and try to tell him I didn't like the chrome here, or the air dam there, nor where they put the gas filler. I betcha I will take it, and it looks wonderful to me!!
[Mod: Please don't go off topic. Moved to a current more relevant thread.]�
Jun 3, 2011
Todd Burch Good effort, but I think you're trying too hard. I've still got my money (or what will be left of it after I buy this car) on the charge ports being under a panel on the grille, like the leaf.
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Jun 3, 2011
roblab Can you just send me the money???
Of course, this is the Alpha. The final edition may be your way.�
Jun 3, 2011
kgb From the TM website... but these look like the pre-alpha prototype.
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Jun 3, 2011
TEG Yes, those are old pictures of the demonstration prototypes. (Actually the top one is the one that drives, and the white/bottom is the 'roller' with no drivetrain.)�
Jun 3, 2011
doug The above is the same car I photographed below (with an earlier paint job):
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Jun 3, 2011
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Jun 3, 2011
TEG Possibly not so well known: I had heard it had to be repainted because the silver paint got very damaged during air transit bringing it back from an auto show. I guess they figured it was time for a new color since they had to repair it anyways...�
Jun 5, 2011
tdelta1000 The Tesla Motors video of the first "Alpha" Model S does not show a charging port that is readily visible. If you go to 1:30-1:35 of the video, there is no port on the driver side near the trunk. Again, where is the charge port?
Tesla Motors "Alpha" Model S video�
Jun 5, 2011
Todd Burch Haha Doug!�
Jul 22, 2011
mnx Apparently it will be hidden. (kind of like the door handles). It will also be in the rear of the car on the drivers side.
From the latest blog post:
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Jul 22, 2011
vfx So maybe it has been there all along. If it's nothing like anything else...
By the way. I was thinking the other day that an EV charge port has to be more robust than a gasoline port. Think about the increased use. An EV port is used ten time more than a nasty liquid fuel filler.�
Jul 22, 2011
TEG Although the EV charge port doesn't have to cope with having gasoline spilled on it frequently. Gasoline is a powerful solvent, so the materials surrounding a gas filler door needs to be fairly robust.�
Jul 22, 2011
NigelM That depends on your driving habits.�
Jul 22, 2011
Tommy Ok, my best guess, based on Tesla's cryptic response, is the charging port is either located behind the "B" post pillar or behind the rear quarter panel glass window. The charging port would be accessed by either part sliding back to expose the connector. I think the rear quarter panel glass would be the better location, it's not needed by the driver or passenger for visibility and the window lends itself to being blacked out. The perfect camouflage for concealing a charging port.�
Jul 23, 2011
tdelta1000 The crash models offer even greater detail that the charge is not on the driver in the rear. Here's a shoot of two crash models.
No charging port on the rear.�
Jul 23, 2011
vfx Assuming the ICE and EVs both drive the same miles with the same habits.
I'm saying that scratches and knocks from heavy electrical connectors are going to be more frequent than similar hits from a liquid fuel nozzle.
The port hinge would get more use cycles and the paint on and around it will get more handling. Skin oils, fingernail and jewelry scratches, etc. All 10 times more wear than a gasoline port.�
Aug 2, 2011
tdelta1000 Here's another shot of the rear driver quarter panel and still no charging port. Where will the charging port be located TM?????
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Aug 2, 2011
AnOutsider Why beat a dead horse of a question? They said we'd see it on the Betas. The mechanism or whatever probably isn't fully in place yet (I remember some past pictures where you had to access it from the driver's side trunk)�
Aug 2, 2011
PaulM Surprised this hasn't been posted here yet:
from:http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/model-s-designing-perfect-endurance-athlete�
Aug 2, 2011
Kevin Harney It has....�
Aug 2, 2011
AnOutsider It HAS been.. numerous times... which is why I'm surprised to see people still poking away at the question.�
Aug 2, 2011
PaulM Your right, my bad. Franz clearly stated where the port will be so that should be the end of this thread, although we still don't know WHAT it will look like. I'm curious to know how they can make it look different than a traditional fuel door. To me, being at "the rear of the car" isn't ideal. Somewhere at the front of the car would be preferable (my garage is pre-wired with a 240v 70A electric box on the wall in the front of the car)�
Aug 2, 2011
TEG Both of my EVs (RangerEV & Leaf) have the charge port in the "nose", and I find that convenient.
Both of my EVSEs are in front of the car. As is are most of the public charge spots I have encountered.�
Aug 2, 2011
Doug_G I agree; in my garage it would have been a lot easier, and more flexible, to put the HPC on the back wall, in front of the cars. That way the cord could have reached either side of the garage.
As it is the HPC is near the garage door on the passenger side of the Tesla, and I have to drag the cable across the back of the car to plug it in. For the installation we had to run the 90A armored cable all the way down the side of the garage in plain sight. It actually increased the cost of installation a bit.�
Aug 2, 2011
NigelM Reverse in......�
Aug 2, 2011
AnOutsider That's what I do... but judging by how many people I see having problems doing that... I'm not sure that's a viable solution.�
Aug 2, 2011
Doug_G Wise guy. :tongue:�
Aug 3, 2011
strider Well, having it int he nose would be terrible for me as my washer/dryer and some storage shelves are on the back wall so I'd be tripping over cords every time I did laundry. My breaker panel is halfway down on the side of my garage so the outlet is very close to where it needs to be for the Roadster.
Bottom line is that there is no "perfect" place for everyone. It's all a compromise based on your garage layout. And since most people have to run a new plug they can run it wherever is most convenient.
That being said, for public charging, it makes sense to have it in the front since that's where the EVSE will be. But since I only charge at home I'm fine w/ it being on the side.�
Aug 3, 2011
SByer I think that's the crux of it right there - the downside of by the door is slight inconvenience, the downside of in front is some wouldn't be able to charge at home. Especially in America where garages are often packed full of stuff, but you have to have enough room to get out.�
Aug 5, 2011
Tommy At the risk of being berating for bringing the "dead horse" back to life, The below photo was taken from the "Tesla Family Drive - Model S and Roadster" video. It looks to me like the charge port is located on the driver's side rear quarter panel just below the rear quarter window, aka the rear upper haunch
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Aug 5, 2011
doug I think that's just a reflection.�
Aug 5, 2011
NigelM Agree. Advance a couple of frames and it looks different; also I wonder if the haunches are really wide enough; also it would be rather awkward to plug in almost vertically (think: weight of the cable etc.)
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Aug 5, 2011
donauker Likely correct. But if it were a retractable panel which upon extending upward would have the connectors mounted at the proper angle, just imagine how convenient it would be!�
Aug 5, 2011
vfx And keeping in the same design language as the door handles. Certainly would be unique as a gasoline filler doing the same thing would be much harder if not impossible.�
Aug 8, 2011
Kevin Harney I think the intent of that statement was to imply that it will not look or act anythin like a fuel filler door. and wisely so if I might add.�
Aug 8, 2011
suxxer Some more pics....but no more evidence ;(
btw. First time i saw the beta steering wheel ...
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Aug 8, 2011
NigelM I don't think that's the final steering wheel; the steering column on that pic has an old-fashioned gear selector.
But is this an HUD component??:
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Aug 8, 2011
Kevin Harney Vin # 11 and still no sign of the charging port. Must be very well hidden !!�
Aug 8, 2011
robaross Just saw the prototype today in S FL. There's a port on the drivers side rear that looks like a fuel filler but I was told it might wind up under the rear lens cover where it curves around onto the back fender.�
Aug 8, 2011
Ardie Charge port in taillight ?
I'm wondering if the charge port may be hidden behind the taillight assembly, similar to the 1950's Chevy Bel-Air.
On one of the photos above, you can see a white Model S's taillight area. There are a couple of small fastener holes and a couple of access holes, but there also seems to be a channel in the side of the chassis leading forward. *That* channel may be suitable for a hefty charging cable - that is, if the taillight assembly pops out to expose a charge port.
That would definitely be oh-too-cool.
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Aug 8, 2011
vfx
Wouldn't the hole need to be bigger?�
Aug 8, 2011
doug I too immediately thought of the Bel Air. I would think for the Model S, though, the tail reflectors would need to stay in place since the car could be charging in public while parked.�
Aug 8, 2011
vfx http://www.autoblog.com/photos/tesla-model-s-development/#photo-3985332/
This hole.
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Aug 8, 2011
NigelM 
You mean the one with the paper stuffed in it? Can't be...look at the black car further along, that is a bracket hole for the bumper.�
Aug 8, 2011
TEG For a moment, I thought "behind the license plate", but then realized that the whole hatch lifts so it wouldn't really be practical there.
More recently I started to wonder about "behind a pop out tail-light", and then find others are thinking about that too...
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Aug 8, 2011
vfx Nope! The one on the right that is in the taillight recess. There is one to the left (looks white) and a right one. Both appear too small for a 80amp cable to go through let alone any kind mounting hole for a massive socket and a receiver for a flip mechanism as TEG found. It just looks like the one on the other side in the pictures. Based on these Alphas I think the taillight idea is a no go.
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Aug 8, 2011
NigelM How about here?....
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Aug 8, 2011
markwj From: Model S: Designing the Perfect Endurance Athlete | Blog | Tesla Motors
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Aug 8, 2011
AnOutsider lol, this is never-ending.�
Aug 8, 2011
vfx Hilarious! I bet the design team at Tesla are rolling on the floor reading this one!�
Aug 9, 2011
Todd Burch I've got it! By process of elimination the charging port MUST be at the center of the left rear wheel!!�
Aug 9, 2011
AnOutsider Haha right? They're like "we give them a pretty much direct answer, and they still speculate?".�
Aug 9, 2011
TEG So lets say a hidden door opens and a snap in module on a riser comes up out of the "fender"...? For example with a J1772 module attached:
(Then you plug in horizontally, not vertically...)
My guess is the Alpha builds don't have any hidden charge port mechanism, rather they charge the Alphas by opening the rear hatch.
The betas (coming soon) may have the new hidden charge port.�
Aug 9, 2011
doug And upside down.
This is getting ridiculous...�
Aug 9, 2011
TEG Yes, idle speculation for fun since there is no real info right now as far as I know.�
Aug 9, 2011
dpeilow I think the answer is suckers...
You put a sucker on the side of the car which has a J1772 socket on it. Then it charges inductively through the wall of the car.�
Aug 9, 2011
TEG Or we are all 'suckers' and it ends up being a conventional round opening like we saw on the original prototype!�
Aug 10, 2011
Norbert Probably Franz was joking when he said it won't look anything like a traditional ICE opening. Because what else could it look like?�
Aug 10, 2011
suxxer Well it most probably won't look anything like a traditional ICE door :biggrin:
Seriously - stop the speculations until we have new information ( from spy shots, TM News,... etc.) regarding the charge door.�
Aug 10, 2011
NigelM Why? It fills the waiting time and it's fun....:biggrin:�
Aug 10, 2011
AnOutsider Well, I guess it COULD be fun... if the speculations were even in the ball park! Most of the talk going on is ignoring factual statements given directly from the designer. Unless we're playing Alternate Reality Model S -- in which case, have at it.�
Aug 10, 2011
NigelM My guess on reality is that it will be a round door on the left rear wheel arch, but it will have some cool way of opening. It's just fun to fantasize that it may be something much cooler....�
Aug 10, 2011
vfx The thread is: Where's the Charging Port?
Without specific info all we can do is speculate -though now we seem to focus on how not where. If you tire of this endless guessing game then don't read this thread...�
Aug 10, 2011
AnOutsider As stated:
The annoyance was due to endless speculatory posts that seemed to ignored the known quantity. We've been told where it is, so why are we guessing under bumpers and hoods and such? I thought the speculation on HOW it would work was cool.�
Aug 10, 2011
vfx What proof do we have of where the port is? I have not read anything that says that Tesla has even decided where it would be or if it's a J type contact plug or induction plate or other Nikola Tesla designed power transmission scheme. If they have a plug in mind then it's probably in the front under the hood where you can store your charge cable or in the trunk where the auxiliary power squirrel cage sits.�
Aug 10, 2011
dpeilow For the umpteenth time...
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Aug 10, 2011
qwk Franz mentioned it in the Q&A, that the charge port was in the back. It only makes sense since the PEM is also in the back.�
Aug 10, 2011
TEG For what it is worth, the Nissan Leaf has the charging port in the front, but the charger in the back. They run the AC recharge lines from the front of the vehicle to the back. Perhaps not the most elegant, but it is just some wires...�
Aug 10, 2011
doug For such puny current, it probably doesn't matter too much.�
Aug 10, 2011
TEG Yeah, I was thinking that. Thin gauge wire. But they do have the CHAdeMO port too. I haven't traced where those wires go, but I suspect they make a shorter path to the battery pack.
In any case, it is possible to put the charge port just about anywhere, and snake the lines to the charger, wherever it may be. Mostly just a (somewhat minor) cost and weight issue if they are far apart.
By the way, for CHAdeMO, I wonder if the DC connects direct to the battery pack, or has to go through some other circuitry first? Is it up to the stationary CHAdeMO charger to output DC voltage exactly matched to what the pack needs? The protocol between car and CHAdeMO charger isn't exactly public domain...�
Aug 10, 2011
AnOutsider Just in case you missed it yet again :wink:
..Now, what it LOOKS like? Speculate away.�
Aug 11, 2011
Nik With a metallic paint option, it wouldn'[t need to be inductive. Maybe some special low-resistance paint for the Signature series?�
Aug 11, 2011
vfx What proof is there where the charge port is?
This is the jist of this thread.�
Aug 11, 2011
gg_got_a_tesla One more time: Model S: Designing the Perfect Endurance Athlete | Blog | Tesla Motors
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Aug 11, 2011
TEG But he wants real proof - like some sloppy photoshop mock-ups. Not just some quote from the head of design on their official web site...�
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