Jun 11, 2012
doug No, white turn signals are ok in the front. I've probably already said this in this thread.
White or amber are allowed in the front. Red or amber are allowed in the rear.
Here's a reference:
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=veh&group=24001-25000&file=24950-24953
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Jun 11, 2012
TEG Needed? I think many of us wish they used amber in the rear too, but it seems they went with red. Not sure why... It is 'legal', but seems inferior to amber.�
Jun 11, 2012
AnOutsider Sorry, I'll clarify. I was under the impression that EU requirements were such that the rear turn signals needed to be amber. If so, then Tesla will have to change that for the EU markets (and force me to try to source that lens so that I can get it too :tongue
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Jun 11, 2012
ElSupreme Yes this. I too will be attempting to source an EU/Amber rear turn signal unit when they become available. I just hope it doesn't require another wire like my GTI did.�
Jun 11, 2012
Lloyd Can we Start an order list for all those wanting to change lenses.�
Jun 11, 2012
widodh You can use my home address as a postal hub in case they refuse to sent it to the US
Amber turn signals are soo much more visible then red ones. As a European it's always weird to drive in the US seeing all those red turn signals.�
Jun 11, 2012
strider Tesla has not been forthcoming about providing these for Roadster owners so good luck w/ Model S. With other manufacturers dealers are happy to take people's money so you could have someone in the EU buy a bunch of parts and ship them over but Tesla has balked at this approach.�
Jun 11, 2012
NigelM Perhaps there's a technical reason...it's hard to imagine that Tesla would deliberately not want to make money.�
Jun 11, 2012
gg_got_a_tesla Amber'd have been better but, red's not so bad at all. It'd have been very cool if Tesla had something distinctive like the ones on the Mustang!�
Jun 11, 2012
Lloyd Porsche will not source the EU spec lenses in the US either. There are companies that have made a few $$ by selling them aftermarket in the US.�
Jun 11, 2012
Kevin Harney BMW will not source any EU parts in NA either.�
Jun 11, 2012
sp4rk Add me to the list of amber rear lights. I have a UK address too.
And I have met the UK folks in the Maidenhead office ... very, very nice conversation.
Here's my BEEF.
Side turn signals. They should be mandated by law. My last car was a Lexus 400h. US model. It had NO turn signal near the drivers door.
But the identical UK model had one. Amazing!
When someone is driving at the same speed next to you on the "freeway" (motorway), and they turn their turn signals on, I want to be able to see something on the side of the car as well.
Anyway, Tesla has that.
My Leaf has amber rear. So I plunk down $99,999.99 and get rear reds? So, anyway, to get the UK/ Euro version, I am all in or I'll rig it somehow.
Then again ... talking about rear lighting ... remember when US law (?) mandated the THIRD brake light in the middle? My attitude on that was ... if you cannot see two, you should not be driving.
I also thought US law read that turn signals front and rear should be at the farthest position from the center of the car.
So, onward and upward ... let's get amber lights!!!�
Jun 11, 2012
Iz This is one area where TM should have used a standard amber for all vehicles regardless of country. I'd be on the order list as well. NHTSA should factor this in when assigning ratings.�
Jun 11, 2012
AnOutsider The sucky part is: how do we get them? As others have pointed out, there are no dealers to go order parts from. I suppose you could wait for crashed Model S's to appear on the "part out" lists, but that's clunky and unreliable at best, morbid at worst.�
Jun 11, 2012
NigelM Around here, you're lucky if anyone uses turn signals for turning....most of the time they use both at once as "shopping" lights, forcing everyone else to go round them.�
Jun 11, 2012
strider Right. On the Corvette forum we did a "group buy" where a forum member in the EU collected money form folks in the US and ordered them from his local dealer who was happy to take the markup on the parts. That member then mailed them over to people in the US.
The problem w/ Tesla is that they won't sell 25 sets of taillights to someone off the street. As to why, well the cars were certified by the DOT w/ red signals and it could be illegal to change that without getting the car recertified. As to why they would make them different, someone posted about the US requiring a certain amount of area of brake light so they could use smaller lights if the turn signals could work as both brake and turn lights. And it's cheaper to have 1 set of LEDs in there instead of 2 (red and amber).�
Jun 11, 2012
youlikeadajuice I guess I'm in the extreme minority, but I have never had an issue with being able to distinguish a turn signal vs. a brake light coming on. If someone is changing lanes THAT quickly, your response is probably not going to come from a turn signal or brake light...it's going to come from seeing the huge hunk of metal quickly coming into your lane! I do understand that amber turn signals would leave no room for interpretation, but I honestly don't believe that it would make a difference in real life. I'm also of the opinion that we can regulate ourselves to death, we can't protect ourselves from everything!�
Jun 11, 2012
NigelM ^ +1. You're not alone.�
Jun 11, 2012
dtich i'm for non-red turn sigs for sure. thanks for asking.
yes, this should be a poll..�
Jun 11, 2012
AnOutsider Not sure about others, but I like them more from a purely aesthetic perspective... Though I have seen people tap their brakes and momentarily thought they were signaling.�
Jun 11, 2012
youlikeadajuice That's what it boils down to with me...an aesthetic thing. Personally I like the red a bit better, I think the overall look with just red is much cleaner...�
Jun 11, 2012
TEG Modified NSX:
Modified Supra:
Stock Mustang Sequential:
European Mustang Amber:
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Jun 11, 2012
SByer When I'm cycling, I HATE red turn signals. It's so hard to tell at a glance - and sorry, that's all I've got time for as I also have to pay attention to the other moron behind me who might do a stupid right hook turn (it's dangerous, and it's illegal, at least in California, to turn right without merging into the bike lane - yet all the stupid drivers... sigh...)
Even worse, the U.S. has to have the stupidest turn signal regulations EVER, as they allow colocation of said inferior red turn signal with the brake lights. How stupid is that? Cadillac and Jeep designers seem to be the most fond of committing this atrocity.
Turn signals should be amber, and never in the same location as the brake lights. Period. The EU has this right.
(I would buy into a group mod for the Roadster).�
Jun 11, 2012
TRON Hiho, my EU Tesla has the amber lights
Greetings from Hollywood (the first around the world electric car race - 80 electric days - world round trip)
Rafael�
Jun 12, 2012
AnOutsider Here's something I saw in the MVPA that could put a damper on anyone wanting to tweak their Model S by swapping parts, or even tinkering with the software:
Though I think the Roadster had the same MVPA (this doc says copyright 2010) and OVMS and similar projects have definitely tinkered with the software -- and we know people have swapped tails and other things, so maybe this is just some broad legalese that will never be enforced (or I'm interpreting wrong).�
Jun 12, 2012
Doug_G It does say, "save only to the extent permitted by applicable law." Reverse engineering is quite legal within certain bounds.�
Jun 12, 2012
NigelM OVMS is not tinkering with the software. It's a monitoring system, and can communicate certain owner commands back to the car. Those commands are the same ones the owner would input normally through the VDS.�
Jun 12, 2012
AnOutsider I thought there was a lot of reverse engineering that went into figuring out how to do it all though...�
Jun 12, 2012
NigelM If not a single line of code in the software was changed and not a single line added or removed, you are wrong to describe that as "tinkering with the software".�
Jun 12, 2012
AnOutsider I did not mean modifying the software, I meant tinkering around as in looking under the hood, poking things to see how they work.... Reverse engineering.�
Jun 12, 2012
vfx Tesla has always been weird about selling parts. Something about Lotus owners buying all their stock. That may have changed because the last time I asked they said "We will sell you what ever you want." I am skeptical.
Can you buy a manual?
A front T logo?
A CF trunk for your 2.5?
Do we have a EU US taillight reference?�
Jun 24, 2012
widodh Now people have driven the Model S, any final word on the turn signals?
I some videos I saw the front and side signals to be amber, so we can be sure on that one. I never saw any rear turn signals.
Anybody noticed?�
Jun 24, 2012
markwj Probably most accurate to say that we reversed engineered some of the messages on the car's can bus. The only 'tinkering' has been on that bus. The OVMS 'tinkerers' haven't gone near the firmware in the car itself (either VMS or VDS). Quite frankly, we haven't needed to. Think of it as trying to understand what is going on inside someone's brain by listening to what they say and hear, rather than opening up their skull.
I do suspect that others have gone deeper, and there has been and will be some serious tinkering going on - just not for the OVMS project�
Jun 24, 2012
Botbldr45 Put me on the list for amber turn lights in back for all the stated reasons ....... And my previous rant!�
Jun 24, 2012
gg_got_a_tesla Rears are red.�
Jun 24, 2012
Grendal Did anyone notice that the white sedan at the rollout event had different lenses than the signature red sedans (or at least it looked that way to me)? Were they amber or smoked?�
Jun 24, 2012
BYT_P1837 Lenses? You mean the front head lamps? All the cars should have the tech package and therefore all have the Xenon headlamps?�
Jun 24, 2012
Grendal Sorry. Probably used the wrong terminology. I meant the tail lights on the black and the white S given out at the ceremony looked like they had a different color than the Red. They looked smoked or amber.�
Jun 26, 2012
olanmills If you're talking about the white car that was on a sort of stage, it's an alpha. Seems wierd that they chose to put it on display, as a lot of the news articles included pictures of it with no mention that it was the alpha model. But yeah at least some versions of the alpha or beta had rear amber turn signals, for instance:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/future-cars/spy-photos/caught-testing-2012-tesla-model-s
For the record, I like red rear turn signals, simply because I think it looks better. I agree, amber turn signals are safer and make it easier to distinguish a turn signal from the brake light, but I think it looks nicer with red blinkers in the back. And since the model S has a very large upper brake light along the roof line, I don't think it's much of an issue.�
Jun 26, 2012
Stuart I have the same problem in mine.
The Roadster turn signals don't seem to auto-cancel as well as other cars I've driven. And the clicker is too quiet to hear over the wind noise at freeway speeds. And the dashboard indicator lights are hidden out of sight behind the steering wheel.
All of which adds up to me feeling like an idiot when I realize I've been driving for who-knows-how-long with my turn signals blinking.�
Jun 26, 2012
NigelM Alzheimer's?�
Jun 29, 2012
MikeK I absolutely prefer amber signals. It's hard for me to believe that Tesla added the strange curlicue in the tail light (compared to the sleeker-looking design prototype) and didn't put amber in there. Is that really true?�
Sep 12, 2012
skwasha Has there been any update re: how the EU version will be outfitted to handle the rear amber requirement? In other words, will I be able to buy replacements for a US model?�
Sep 13, 2012
widodh We haven't seen any update on this.
I was told that the first EU test-drives would be somewhere very late 2012 or in the beginning of 2013.�
Sep 13, 2012
mknox Personally, I hate amber rear turn signals, hate following cars that have them and avoid buying cars with them. Amber is for front signal lights, red is for the rear. (I also hate those stupid rear fog lights that people insist on using in clear weather making it look like they're riding the brakes).�
Sep 13, 2012
Laurent Like it or not, amber rear turn signals are safer because they're not easily confused with brake signals. Statistically, cars with red turn signals are more likely to be rear-ended and cause an accident. I'm still buying a Tesla despite this but I would have preferred amber turn signals.�
Sep 13, 2012
ElSupreme Got to have amber turn signals. Spent a weekend and $500 doing that on my GTI.
I have a rear fog lamp. Actually installed it myself (when I changed my red turn signals to amber :smile�
Sep 13, 2012
Lloyd Mods, How about a Wiki List that people can add their name to a group purchase of 'euro style' amber tail lights? I'm not sure how to add that feature.
Please put my name on the list!�
Sep 13, 2012
ggr ... and mine.�
Sep 13, 2012
Doug_G I'd love to have amber.�
Sep 13, 2012
jerry33 Amber for me as well.�
Sep 13, 2012
MikeK And me.�
Sep 13, 2012
doug Actually, as much as I tire of them, that's the sort of thing you use for a public poll. I've added one to this thread.
"Tell them I hate them!"�
Sep 14, 2012
mknox I'd actually like to see those statistics, because I don't see how turn signals can prevent rear-ending. Statistics did show that the 3rd brake light (CHMSL) does prevent rear-end collisions. It seems to me it's more about the effectiveness of Brake Lights than Turn Signals that would prevent rear-end collisions.�
Sep 14, 2012
Lloyd Here it is!!
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811115.PDF�
Sep 14, 2012
Robert.Boston Summary of the summary:
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Sep 17, 2012
olanmills Even though I appreciate their practicality, I don't like the way amber rear turn signals look at all. It's cleaner with just red (and white).�
Sep 17, 2012
mknox Indeed, but I'm still having trouble believing it. I get it completely about the CHMSL, and the need for good BRAKE lights, but I can't see how turn signals prevent rear-end collisions. A lot of turning-related collisions happen at intersections when someone turns in front of another car... but's that's usually about the driver doing the turning and the Front turn signals.
In any event, I don't like them, but can accept that I'm in the minority�
Sep 17, 2012
olanmills The situation I can think of is that some one is changing lanes in front of you, but you don't realize it. They turn on the correct blinker, which happens to be red in the rear. You only see the corner of their car due to other cars blocking full view of the rear of the car in question, and instead of realizing that they are signalling that they want to move into your lane ahead of you, you think that they are just tapping their brakes. So you go ahead not realizing this, and they pull out of their lane in front of you, and you rear-end them or perhaps hit the corner of the rear of their car at an off-angle.
In this case, I would still think that the blame goes to the car ahead of you, as, regardless of whether they used their blinker or not, they have to make sure it's safe to change lanes. That said, if they had an amber blinker in the rear, you would have known for sure that they intended to enter your lane ahead of you, so you might have either slowed down to give them room, or at least have been more cautious and ready for them to pull into your lane, and thus avoid the accident.
So that's at least one situation I can think of where the difference between a red and amber rear blinker could contribute to a rear-end collision.
That said, I still don't like rear amber turn signals!�
Sep 18, 2012
spatterso911 I'd go for amber tail blinkers too�
Sep 18, 2012
NigelM 90% of the time around here turn signals aren't used for turning or changing lanes. They're used as "shopping lights" for stopping illegally outside stores and blocking roads.�
Sep 18, 2012
Doug_G One reason the center mounted brake light is good is that it clearly isn't a turn blinker. I can remember seeing a car with red turn blinkers and no center mounted brake light, at night, with at least one bulb burned out, turn blinker on, and pumping his brakes. As far as I could tell he was signalling that a train was about to cross my path...
With the yellow turn blinker you know immediately, without hesitation, that he's signalling a turn and not just tapping his brakes. Sometimes even a fraction of a second can make all the difference.�
Sep 18, 2012
mknox In my experience, especially on the highway, drivers are already half way through their lane change by the time they signal!
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One thing I believe actually does help are the amber turn signal repeaters on the front side of the car. Sometimes they're on the side view mirror and other times they're on the front fender, usually behind the wheel. I can't remember if Model S has these...�
Sep 18, 2012
widodh Yes, it has. In the Tesla logo on the side.�
Sep 18, 2012
v12 to 12v Oh geez. I haven't seen that phenomenon before. I hope it doesn't spread. It sounds worse than the parking lot stalkers, which make me nuts. :cursing:
The car that I drive now has amber turn signals. I find that people are very responsive to them when I go to change lanes on the freeway. When I drive a different car without the amber turn signals I wonder if the turn signals are working at all. People don't see them or they ignore them.
The amber is much more eye-catching in traffic.
It seems that since people have started to use their brakes on the freeway so much (for whatever crazy reason) that red flashing lights have lost meaning. It used to mean one should prepare to brake "all in" because there is an accident immediately in front of you or a stationary object is blocking the road.�
Mar 1, 2013
Laumb Shot this video today of the show car in Oslo.
I really think they should adapt these to the US market.
ITesla Model S Rear Amber Flash light - YouTube
Tapatalkin' from iTalatut...�
Mar 1, 2013
TEG �
Mar 1, 2013
strider Do want this!�
Mar 1, 2013
AnOutsider Hmm, doesn't the whole outer red area blink on the us cars? I like the yellow, but the light looks so small�
Mar 1, 2013
mknox Yes. In the N. American market the brake and turn signal can be combined into one whereas in Europe, the brake (red) and turn signal (amber) have to be separate elements. It would likely be more involved than just replacing the lamp on the back of the car.
EDIT: If I'm not mistaken (and please correct me if I am) I thought that the European brake light had to be independent of the running light as well (i.e. the brake light has to go from completely off to completely on even if it's night and the tail lights are on).�
Mar 1, 2013
Laumb Not required, but personally much more appreciated.
During daytime most new cars have the rear red lights completely off to make the switch from not braking to braking easier to spot. During night they can use the same for rear lights and braking, but having a second part of the fixture light up does make it easier.
On the other hand, not many cars without a third brakelight on the roads.
Tapatalkin' from iTalatut...�
Mar 1, 2013
Aussie Lots of back and forward with Tesla to see whether this can be fitted to my upcoming Model S but it seems there is no chance for that.�
Mar 7, 2013
strider We Roadster owners have been asking for this for years to no avail. Gotta say that is ONE benefit of an independent dealer network - they'll sell parts to anyone to make a buck. On the Corvette forums members would routinely arrange group buys of Euro turn signals from a dealer over there and ship them to the US. Tesla won't sell them to us as they know what we're going to do with them.�
Mar 8, 2013
Laumb I will challenge Tesla to sell me euro lights In Norway so I can ship to a forum member that has shown interest. But we have to wait untill autumn/late summer.
If it works well for him i would be able to help export lights In the future - as long as i am able to get them.
AFAIK Norwegian laws does not give them the right to deny sell me the lights or other parts. Will buy them through my friends paint-shop company if they ask questions on why i need, say, 10 pairs.
Ill stop by the thread In a few months when I know more.�
Mar 8, 2013
Lloyd It will be interesting to see if they are 'Plug and play', or if we will have to do some wiring modifications to accomplish the change.�
Mar 9, 2013
strider Thanks Laumb! It's always baffled me why Tesla wouldn't sell us lights. Parts have a huge markup (why turn down profit?) and they're not responsible for what I do to my car. I'll definitely take you up on it both for our Model S and Roadster.
Lloyd: It's possible based on how different parts of the light blink on a US vs Euro car, but I'm handy w/ wire cutters, a soldering iron, and multimeter. :tongue:�
Mar 9, 2013
Dborn That is exactly what Australian design rules call for. All our cars are thus. That is, like the video of European amber turn signal lights.�
Mar 29, 2013
Iz Still perplexed as to why Tesla does not use these in North America. Hoping they are Plug and Play.�
Mar 29, 2013
bluetinc I was told that it was a combination of DOT rules having to do with the amount of "red" brake lights meeting a minimum, and that the "red" on the hatch doesn't count.
Peter
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Jul 28, 2013
TEG I saw a Model S with amber rear turn indicators driving around Palo Alto tonight. It looked nice.
Maybe they were testing the Euro rear lights.�
Jul 28, 2013
Lloyd I want them!�
Jul 30, 2013
sp4rk Me too ...
What's the red 13 below Posts in your left panel, Lloyd.�
Jul 30, 2013
widodh A video of the turn indicators can be found here: Tesla Model S P85+ EU spec interior and exterior - YouTube
It was already posted in this topic: Current differences between US and EU version?�
Jul 30, 2013
mknox Yep. Current US cars have the brake and turn signal combined, but you need discrete brake and left/right turn indicator signals for these to work. Traditional cars did this with individual wires, but maybe (probably) Tesla does it in software at the tail light itself.
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As far as I know, Euro-spec lights are perfectly legal in Canada (just not required). I replaced a set of junky plastic headlights with Euro-spec glass, self-leveling H4 units with no issues in the past. If so, the Euro Model S tail lights should be just fine here. (Personally, I prefer the all red lights, although I do prefer discrete brake and turn signal elements).�
Oct 7, 2013
Chris TX Does anyone else want amber rear blinkers?
Seeing as how studies have shown a reduction in accidents with the use of amber rear blinkers, why wouldn't the "world's safest car" offer these to the USDM? I would love to modify my tail lights, but what would be the rear blinker (smaller "U" shape in the outer light) is red and also used with the brake light. Maybe I need to wait and see if they pop up on Ebay over there, someday�
Oct 7, 2013
Chris TX I just started a thread in the "ordering / delivering" section about ordering amber rear blinkers and came across this fine thread.
As for people wondering about the tail lamps (Model S) here is a USDM unit for sale:
2012 2013 Tesla Model s Brand New Left Taillight | eBay
I wonder if each tail light is a CAN bus node which the light pattern is dictated by the system firmware. I also have a slight hunch that both the USDM and euro tail lights are the same and the little "U" part has both red and amber LEDs. It would make the most sense to have a single part that works in both markets. If that's the case, swapping them out will do nothing. The only way to verify this would be to have someone across the pond remove the three nuts and single plug to check the part numbers. If they are the same as the US version, then it's as "simple" as telling the car to change from red program to amber program.
Or, someone over here can cut their tail light open and see if there are both red and amber LEDs.�
Oct 7, 2013
widodh I don't think you can mount the EU taillight in a US car since the chargeport is different en that's integrated in the taillight.�
Oct 8, 2013
Chris TX Check out the Ebay link I posted. It doesn't look like the charge port is attached.�
Oct 8, 2013
AnOutsider Yeah, I think the chargeport area exists on both sides of the car (though only one is used). Probably so that they could switch it on EU models easily.�
Oct 8, 2013
passion4audio While the amber turn signals "may" not look as blended in with the entire package, visually, I'm 100 percent FOR them due to being easier to spot.�
Oct 8, 2013
Chris TX So, do we do a petition.org or how would this work? A bunch of people just saying "I would rather have ...." on a forum doesn't always get their attention. I've already called customer service to see if amber tails can be put on mine during the build, and he said something about the red ones are for the NA market and the amber ones are for everywhere else.
I call BS and want my car to be the safest in crash tests AND safest at avoiding crashes altogether!
I'm going to post on their FB page about this. Everyone that wants ambers or at least the CHOICE of ambers, feel free to reply.�
Oct 8, 2013
strider It is NOT in fact, BS. It's because of US DOT regulations. The US DOT requires a minimum SURFACE AREA for brake lights and turn signals. 7.75in^2 each. So if you look at the euro lights on like a Corvette, the brake light lens is smaller because the amber turn signal takes up part of the area. That is what is not legal in the US. They need the whole area to be the brake light and the whole area again to be the turn signal in order to satisfy the surface area requirement. In the rest of the world they just have a luminosity requirement, only the US (AFAIK) has this surface area requirement in addition to luminosity. So if you want a compact light cluster, the same lens needs to do double duty. So it becomes a function vs form thing - if you want small light clusters you have to go w/ red brake lights.
In other cars (VW's come to mind) you have to reprogram the car's computer to tell it is a Euro-spec model so it know how to activate the separate red and amber lights. My fear w/ the Model S is that "flag" that tells it is a Euro car is used by a bunch of other systems such that if you were able to change that flag to make the lights work it would break lots of other stuff.�
Oct 8, 2013
mknox Can't speak to US DOT, but I always thought US and Canadian regulations were pretty close in this regard (not 100%, but close). I was given to understand that EU-spec tail lights, while not required, are legal here. Anyone know for sure?�
Oct 8, 2013
strider As I understand it the EU only has a luminosity requirement so as long as the lights are bright enough they can be whatever shape/size. In the US, separate amber turn signals are legal but you must satisfy the surface area requirement for the brake lights. I haven't measured it but I assume if you remove the inner "c" of lights from the brake light then the Model S will not meet the brake light surface area requirement. If it did I assume Tesla would have built the car this way as it would be simpler/cheaper to have a single taillight used worldwide.�
Oct 8, 2013
Gizmotoy I was surprised to see that the red LED ring on the S didn't have an amber LED ring right along it. Separate turn signals are a good thing.�
Oct 8, 2013
mknox True. Makes you wonder why Tesla didn't consider this in their tail light design from the get-go.�
Oct 8, 2013
jerry33 Given that their taillight looks like everyone else's taillight, I suspect pricing had a lot to do with it.�
Oct 8, 2013
fuelsman One significant problem with rear amber turn signal lights is that when people turn on their emergency flasher you can't tell the difference between the front and rear of the car. This is particularly a problem on two lane roads in heavy rain when some drivers use their flashers to indicate they are going slowly. The other problem the bright amber flashes 'hide' brakes lights.�
Oct 8, 2013
Chris TX A stopped car is a stopped car. It doesn't matter which way it's facing. Just don't hit it�
Oct 8, 2013
mknox I agree with this. Many years ago when amber signals were just coming on the scene I came across flashing yellow lights on the right shoulder on a foggy night. It threw me because I thought I was looking at the front of some car facing the wrong way until I remembered that amber rear flashers were becoming popular. That is, until headlights came on and scared the crap out of me. I was looking at a car facing the wrong way. I didn't hit it (thanks, Chris TX!)�
Oct 8, 2013
markwj You can tell the difference if the car is braking / slowing / stopped (which is the only time it really matters) by the visible brake lights. Even if the red brake lights near the indicators are not visible between indicator flashes (which they are, imho), you still have the big central red brake light. You've also got white lights (daytime running lights, side lights, headlights, etc) on the front to show a car facing you.
To me, red indicators always look like a broken flickering brake light bulb - but I guess I was just brought up in countries with amber indicators.�
Jan 8, 2016
blackhawk Anyone spoken to Tesla about this recently? Any chance of a change in the next model year?�
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