Feb 13, 2015
Twiddler This was mentioned by Elon in the recent conference call, but has been a tidbit that I have not seen much discussion about (unless I have somehow missed it). SO. What upgrade could significantly impact the entire fleet?? Could this just be the autonomy features finally being activated? Maybe, but that really does not impact the majority of the fleet, right? Could it just be an increase in the top speed, or maybe another acceleration upgrade? If so, I don't know if this is really such a big deal, and Elon sounded excited about it. Any other ideas?
My dream - that all mirror stalks were secretly outfitted and wired, from the very beginning, with the hardware necessary to mount rear view cameras and take the mirrors off, and all Tesla is waiting for is the final NHTSA approval. That would be incredible, but so so unlikely.�
Feb 13, 2015
GreenT Let's keep our fingers crossed that it's the looooong awaited, so called, valet mode.
I think a lot of us will be very disappointed if it's not.�
Feb 13, 2015
Kalud I don't think "significantly impact" and "valet mode" goes together...
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Feb 13, 2015
Gizmotoy The mirror wings are simply metal with no camera, and there's no camera in the housing either. A nice dream, but unfortunately it's just that.
It's hard to say what would qualify as significant. Everyone has their wishlist of stuff they'd like to have. The one that would give owners the most benefit is the release of a 3rd-party API for running apps on the display. That was supposedly on the 2014 roadmap (and likely got bumped for autopilot). The Media app has been essentially untouched since launch, so some smartphone integration would be nice. Valet mode is another common request, but I'm not sure that'd qualify as "substantial."�
Feb 13, 2015
apacheguy Agreed. It would have to extend beyond valet mode.�
Feb 13, 2015
mikeash Support for third-party apps seems like an obvious thing that would apply to all cars, would be seen as a big deal for almost everyone, and has actually been promised already. Certainly could be something else, but I'd say that's a good one to bet one.�
Feb 13, 2015
sandpiper My bet.... a substantial refresh to the UI on the center console that provides some added functionality to all cars (like valet mode), plus implements the changes necessary to make the upcoming "autopilot" functions accessible. The current system is a bit messy. I wouldn't want to be driving down the road drilling through menus trying activate this or that feature. It may also come with the rumored acceleration bump for all cars.�
Feb 13, 2015
MrClown Elon said he was "really excited about the software release we have planned for next month" because it will add "a bunch of features that are going to positively affect the entire fleet ... and of course we'll add more autopilot capability." It sounds like a host of things rather than one single big feature and that's separate from anything autopilot. March could be a good month (but maybe April is more realistic)!�
Feb 13, 2015
jacobp Interesting thread. I just read his comment to refer to more auto-pilot features for the D and the acceleration increase in all of the cars that he mentioned in a tweet a little bit ago. I'd be happily surprised if it were anything more than that.�
Feb 13, 2015
TexasEV The acceleration increase he mentioned was for P85D, I believe, not all of the cars. I doubt it's related to top speed either, as that benefits almost no one. Who drives their car at top speed? My guess is updating the apps. There is little else that can affect the entire fleet, including those of us early buyers without parking sensors, much less autopilot hardware.�
Feb 13, 2015
yobigd20 Maybe we'll each have our own Cortana to keep us company every day.�
Feb 13, 2015
eye.surgeon Really? I wouldn't consider that significant. But I have no need for it, so.
I think the best bet as mentioned above is a user interface update fleetwide, along with autopilot updates for those so equipped.�
Feb 13, 2015
Gizmotoy Well, it affects all the performance models... the P85D and to a lesser extent the P85 and P85+, but I agree, that's not likely to be it.�
Feb 13, 2015
Todd Burch It might include a new broswer (Chrome-based), Waze integration, or perhaps better integration with Superchargers (live status, reservations, etc).�
Feb 13, 2015
David99 I'm pretty sure they are not only opening it up to third party apps, but they will already have some third party apps lined up that you can install. That's been planned from day one and has never been opened up.�
Feb 13, 2015
Todd Burch Could be, but why do you say "pretty sure"? There are lots of things we've heard about that haven't yet been implemented.�
Feb 13, 2015
PlanB I am so out of the loop, what is Valet mode?�
Feb 13, 2015
ecarfan Valet mode is a way for the car's owner to enter a password and pub the car in a "restricted state" when handing it over to a valet to park. Possible restrictions could include max speed, acceleration limit, total distance the car could be driven before shutting down, glove box locked, frunk locked sunroof opening blocked, all kinds of possibilities.
The Tesla Roadster had a valet mode from day one.�
Feb 13, 2015
PlanB Figured as much, thanks.�
Feb 13, 2015
a0128 Probably the last thing that is needed, but if it is then don't go complaining about your insurance rates going up!�
Feb 13, 2015
billarnett I'm hoping for a stronger regen setting. And/or more responsive steering. Of course, there are some owners who don't care about those things. Add in valet mode and then there'll be something for everyone�
Feb 13, 2015
artsci Completely agree. I don't know about most other owners but I very rarely need valet parking and would have no need for a valet mode.
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Auto pilot enhancements do not impact the entire fleet so it probably isn't that.�
Feb 13, 2015
rlang59 Whatever it is it will not be as good as what this thread will build it up to be and many people will end up disappointed, just like when 6.0 was released.�
Feb 13, 2015
PlanB HA!......agreed.�
Feb 13, 2015
gavine How about the ability to input the time you're leaving and have car car automatically figure out what time to start charging?�
Feb 13, 2015
PlanB How about being able to start an update from the mobile app.�
Feb 13, 2015
Johann Koeber Since this is a speculation thread, here we go:
- Google maps for trip planning with waypoints etc.
- more of the: 'the car learns your behaviour' stuff�
Feb 13, 2015
Andyw2100 I doubt that's in this update, but if you want that, go to the thread below, and vote in the poll:
Would you use battery heating if it were available?
The first post in the thread has a link to another thread which includes the letter I sent to Tesla asking for exactly that.�
Feb 14, 2015
TaoJones Some or all of the below:
1. 4G/LTE retrofittable as necessary (My understanding is that at least some of the radios can support 4G but not LTE).
2. 90 days hotspot-ization - subscriptions thereafter as an option.
3. The aforementioned autopilot features - blind spots, lanekeeping, recognition of red lights and stop signs, safer behavior overall.
4. Valet mode.
5. Announcement of SC site enhancements for driver safety.
6. CPO program launch schedule.
Yes, as a matter of fact, I *did* bring enough crack for everybody**
**This statement may have been vetted by the Williams/Colbert School of Truthiness.�
Feb 14, 2015
jerry33 How about an API.�
Feb 14, 2015
andrewket My guess is enhanced trip planning via superchargers. Auto route via SC, and it will be able to show you current SC status and perhaps expected wait times, etc. I also wouldn't be surprised if there was slight UI update.�
Feb 14, 2015
Majerus Its a stretch, but I am thinking the SDK will be released, along with this tesla allowing android apps to be installed, as well as the browser being updated to chrome.�
Feb 14, 2015
hiroshiy I would bet one of two items below:
- Faster charging by tapering later, on some conditions met. They must have expected various conditions while charging and have built the safety margins. However if the climate and status of the battery is appropriate it might be possible to taper a bit later to shove 5 minutes off from charging.
- LTE support for all cars. I wildly guess that in 2012 most of available M2M cellular modules were LTE ready and Tesla chose to use 3G to save some cost over operator contracts. Now they might have decided to upgrade the user experience by changing the contract terms with global operators and use LTE.
Just guesses!�
Feb 14, 2015
GSP Not significant, but I would really, really, like to see this feature added to the S. The Volt , Spark, Leaf, etc. had this from day one.
GSP�
Feb 14, 2015
emir-t Reading this thread made me realise how much of a room for improvement and possibilities there were with the Model S software side that doesn't necessarily require significant hardware updates. They couldn't come quicker, even though I'm not an owner nor am close to being one because of my financials (only 23 y/o tho, so I have time�
Feb 14, 2015
SW2Fiddler Require a password to take it OUT of Valet Mode, sure, obviously.
But why should there be a PW to put it IN Valet, slowing the process? Is this how it works on the Roadster?
I can't think of a reason.�
Feb 14, 2015
artsci I think there's a very good bet that will be coming soon, possibly in the form of some kind of module SC's can easily install in the touchscreen.�
Feb 14, 2015
ArtInCT I think that enhanced Voice Recognition commands, would be able to be added to all existing Tech Equipped Model S cars.
The Voice Recognition would expand into settings and go way beyond entertainment and NAV.
Thus the ability to tell the S to change just about all settings without the need to interact with the display menus.
Perhaps a refreshed UI (User Interface) as well with options for "pinning" and some amount of customization.
Again, this could cover the entire existing fleet of S cars.
Also, for newer S cars with autopilot sensors, the Blind Spot Information System would be a great addition.
Lastly, Torque Sleep (TS) could be implemented to all cars, not just those with dual motors.
TS for a single motor S, when invoked, could remap the accelerator pedal on flat stretches and simply modulate the
power to the single motor and eek out a small percentage of efficiency. Also, I feel that TS should make its presence
known in the central display, perhaps by a different color on the power/regen meter. Today, TS is so well implemented by
Tesla that most P85D owners cannot tell if and when it is at work or should I say.. "sleeping"?�
Feb 14, 2015
middly I would love Valet Mode, 4G/LTE (my DS told me that the car is already equipped with hardware for 4G, just a matter of time...perhaps this is it!), and some additional apps / better app-integration for for live-data! So fun speculating, hoping, and wishing...This last few weeks until delivery are going to be excruciating.�
Feb 14, 2015
ecarfan Upcoming FW upgrade to "significantly impact" essentially the entire fleet
Yes in the Roadster you need to enter the cars PIN (which you can define) to put the car into, or take it out of, Valet Mode. I think that is reasonable. I don't want just anybody to be able to put my car into a restricted mode, I want control over that.�
Feb 14, 2015
dhanson865 I'm going to toss a random guess out there.
So they worked on torque sleep for the D trim cars (still Model S so I'll call it a trim). It was something they did recently and still haven't fully fine tuned.
How about if they have worked on how to apply torque sleep to the single motor cars for more efficient coasting or better power modulation accelerating or decelerating? Maybe they announce a range increase for all cars in the new firmware? Maybe an inproved or newly labeled ECO mode of some kind or maybe they just roll this into the existing normal driving mode.
Maybe the R&D costs spent to make the D, created code that can make all Model S cars more efficient?�
Feb 14, 2015
apacheguy I think these are all fairly likely.
1. Elon promised Chrome integration.
2. Many users have asked for Waze. Others find it abhorrent so it would be an option.
3. Live status is really key for areas that have multiple SpC. This is especially true in Asia and Europe. But it even works in CA: Gilroy or Fremont? Hawthorne or Redondo Beach?
Having said that, I would take this over all of the above as I've been asking for it:
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Feb 14, 2015
dhanson865 You can't unlock with a password until you have first set a password. That is computing 101 concept right there. After a password is set you can lock it over and over again with the same password. You also have to ability to change a password at will. Still computing 101 concepts.�
Feb 14, 2015
mibaro2 All good suggestions so far.
I would like to be able to plan a trip with multiple stops. Both in NAV and reflected in the Consumption graph.
Definitely would like the tell the car when I am leaving and it can figure out when to start charging.�
Feb 14, 2015
NielsHP What about functions like some of those of VisibleTesla, accessible through a suitable secure web interface, with all kinds of spiffy report generation ?�
Feb 14, 2015
SW2Fiddler Upcoming FW upgrade to "significantly impact" essentially the entire fleet
Okay, thanks!
I was assuming it would be the owner account/PW as used in the Remote Start feature. Didn't think of the simpler, sensible "hotel safe" scheme but it makes sense.
(hopefully Owner Account would over-ride the valet PW!)�
Feb 14, 2015
tomas OK, I'm going to hope that a guy who wants to populate mars, and had the gall to start SpaceX and scale Tesla would really mean "significant impact" and "entire fleet" when he says it.
A bunch of items suggested on this thread are important, and some of them quite overdue (e.g., valet mode, waypoints/multiple destinations, media player enhancements, better taper), but that doesn't make them "significant impact".
Until I read this thread, I would have said it is going to be API set and initial bunch of apps, plus a few of the aforementioned overdue items.
But I think the broader "eco mode" concept is a great dark horse. Clearly Tesla learned A LOT while tinkering to establish torque sleep. It would not surprise me if the stumbled on a few drivetrain programming improvements that could yield, say, 5% further range.�
Feb 14, 2015
cpa Maybe a cool visual display lit up inside the nose cone to display an image of our front license plate to avoid getting those annoying fix-it tickets. Scan and save! (Tongue in cheek of course but a cool way to comply with the law and not "uglify" the lines.)�
Feb 14, 2015
CliffG Sorry, IMHO passwords are just lame. Maybe a valet fob - owner's fob has access to settings app to set/reset parameters for valet mode (speed, distance able to travel, yadda yadda), and valet fob can only enable the car inside those restrictions.
Having said that, I don't believe that's what's coming or even in discussion. I'm just uncomfortable with protecting my S with passwords.�
Feb 14, 2015
Andyw2100 This is the thread where I posted the letter I recently sent to Tesla, asking for this feature:
Suggestion for battery pre-heating and charge-end scheduling sent to Tesla
Since you also want this feature, why not drop Tesla a quick note, letting them know that?
There's also a poll you can vote in too, but why not do both?
Would you use battery heating if it were available?�
Feb 14, 2015
ItsNotAboutTheMoney My hopes:
- Public API: I hope that they've been working on something to allow apps. I would expect that they'd either vet them heavily or have a limited API.
A public API would really allow geekdom the freedom to create useful apps for drivers, and that would only help Tesla.
- Continuing vampire reduction: they need to match other manufacturers and eliminate drain befire they get to high volume
- Efficiency tweaks. As others have suggested, maybe they learned something from their D work they can apply to single motor operation: this would help with Tesla's Model 3 plans where squeezing out efficiency will matter more.
- Supercharger usage: the number 1 challenge is charging, the more information available, the better.�
Feb 14, 2015
TexasEV Why tongue in cheek? That sounds like a great idea. A virtual license plate!�
Feb 14, 2015
CliffG because it makes it too easy to put up a fake plate...�
Feb 14, 2015
Supercharged It will be the ability to play video on tbe big screen while in park mode!�
Feb 14, 2015
AmpedRealtor I think we are going to get automatic supercharger routing in the Nav based upon route and SOC considerations.�
Feb 14, 2015
K5ING You laugh, but California and New Jersey are looking seriously at having digital license plates that can not only display your license plate number, but can also be remotely programmed to show if the plate is expired, the owner has a warrant issued on him, Amber alerts, even ads. There is no reason automakers couldn't build in display screens right at the factory to be programmed later.
http://www.electronicproducts.com/Optoelectronics/Displays/California_on_the_road_to_being_the_first_state_to_use_digital_license_plates.aspx
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/11/electronic-license-plates_n_3424050.html
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Feb 14, 2015
jerry33 If they have ads, the car owner should get a fee. If they don't, I suspect they could sue the state.�
Feb 14, 2015
Brightonuk No more limp mode :love:�
Feb 14, 2015
Andyw2100 That could be part of it, but it can't be the feature that impacts the "entire fleet" as it would not impact the P85Ds (since they already have it.)�
Feb 14, 2015
jerry33 SDK, APIs, and an App store are something that would affect the entire fleet and be a major change. Prediction: The first App will be one that shows the actual tire pressures, with a saver on adding Plugshare HPWCs to the Nav.�
Feb 14, 2015
Jhall118 Extending the warranty, or maybe a full Web browser (remember when chrome was a rumor?)�
Feb 14, 2015
andrewket A new browser doesn't move the needle. My guess.. API's, 3rd party apps/SDK, super charger routing and reservation (or at least status/wait times), maybe LTE.�
Feb 14, 2015
tomas Agree. Lotsa posters need to think "materiality"�
Feb 14, 2015
apacheguy Well the browser is just being floated as one possible change. Whatever it turns out to be it's going to be an assortment of new features. Not just one thing. Plus, it's consistent with what Elon hinted about a year or so ago.
BTW, LTE isn't going to happen. That requires new hardware.�
Feb 14, 2015
Jhall118 I just want to watch p... uhhh videos.�
Feb 14, 2015
dhanson865 No the P85Ds don't already have it. They already have the current firmware not the coming firmware. The coming firmware could improve range for D and non D alike.
You saying the D already has it would imply there is no room for improvement in the code/firmware at all. I expect they have some low hanging fruit left on that one that they have discovered but required further QC or that they wanted to release fleet wide after the P85D uproar died down (due to a different but also significant optimization).�
Feb 14, 2015
Kalud I'd like LTE + wifi hotspot�
Feb 14, 2015
Andyw2100 I just don't think that with all the issues there have been surrounding P85D range Tesla would be keeping quiet if they had more range improvements possible for the P85D. JB Straubel's blog post at the end of December talked about the P85D having range similar to the P85 after the torque sleep update. If there was even more of a range increase planned for this soon afterwards, I think it would have been talked about then.
I stand by my position / prediction that either range updates are not part of whatever this big software release is next month, or if they are, that they don't apply to the P85Ds, and thus are not the feature that was teased as applying to the entire fleet.�
Feb 14, 2015
AWDtsla
After getting crucified for "over promising and under delivering" for being a few weeks late? Hmmm :-/�
Feb 14, 2015
invisik API and/or fully revamped phone apps that can do way more then current apps can.
I don't think they'll enable it to be a hotspot until Tesla stops providing the cell connectivity and the owners start paying for it (whatever year that is coming up).
Real-time supercharger use/status on the nav screen would be awesome.
Tons more improvements to the Energy/Trip screen.�
Feb 14, 2015
Andyw2100 It wouldn't have had to have been specific, so there wouldn't have had to have been any promise or missed delivery. It could have been as generic as a simple addition to the statement about the torque sleep software update that was due in January, and was expected to get the P85D's range roughly similar to the P85. The simple addition of, "We expect (or hope) to improve upon this even further in the near future." would have been a simple addition. The fact that there was no such addition is why I am taking the position I am taking.�
Feb 15, 2015
dhanson865 If they said it that way we would have a "when is the near future" thread arguing the rollout schedule yet again. They can't win no matter how they announce it the end users will complain. They did however use phrasing similar to "we will continue to increase efficiency for the Model S". I don't remember if it was on the earnings call or not but I remember it as a post 85D issue statement.
You either didn't hear the statements I did or you interpreted them differently. Either way we'll know when 6.2 arrives.�
Feb 15, 2015
Xenoilphobe Updating the browser is laughable - who cares - I couldn't tell you what browser it uses now or the one I'm posting from - they all feel the same to me.
I would like to see tangible stuff like:
Valet / inexperienced driver mode would be cool - Maybe a unique key that is programmable to limit speed etc. (my ford fusion hybrid has this and it works great)
LTE/Hot Spot
an eco mode - that maximizes the software for efficiency by restricting hp/torque etc. If they can do insane mode - they can do eco mode - they would massively extend the range..
Waze option
Black 19 inch turbine rims....
Bringing back the P85 and drop the regular S - for the price of a regular S
License plate behind the nose cone is coooooolll - I would pay extra for that - it makes the car look ugly with the 1920's tech hanging off the chin... where is ARTSCI???
Exterior premium lighting kit - just hire ArtSci and have him do the front and rear of the car at the factory.
An option for integrated iPAD docking stations on the back of both front seats for the kids
A Model S Station Wagon or Estate for Europe
Tesla Charging Stations as the national electrical code standard for autos in North America.
Buying out Car Charging Group Inc (owners of Ecotality's Blink, 350Green and some hardware players) and converting them to Tesla Charging stations.
Ok -- waaaay offf topic -- you said Firmware.....�
Feb 15, 2015
donv The things people on this board have as priorities don't seem to be Elon's priorities...�
Feb 15, 2015
ecarfan @Xenoilphobe, I also think it would be great to go beyond the simple idea of a Valet Mode and make it more flexible so that the owner could use it to variably limit the cars top speed and acceleration and range as needed for those with teenage drivers (not my situation personal situation) this would be useful. Call it "Restricted Driving Mode".
Note: 3 of the items on your list are relevant to this topic, which is about the upcoming firmware update. Your other 9 items are not firmware.�
Feb 15, 2015
BerTX There may be a tiny adjustment here that is possible, but in an electric motor, there is only so much that can be done to reduce power consumption. Increasing power consumption while increasing performance is easier.
Just like in an ICE, where they have no problem making them faster and burn more fuel, but making them economical is much more difficult. It takes a certain amount of energy to overcome the forces trying to make the car stand still. I think that if they could have done anything to improve range with a download, it would have been done.�
Feb 15, 2015
AlMc I like the term 'Safe Mode' versus Valet Mode: Many people would never consider the need for 'valet' but on second thought might like a restriction on acceleration/top speed/warning to your phone if the car is more than 'X' miles away from your phone. This would be very good in a household with an inexperienced (think teenager) driver. While many might say 'Why would you ever let your teenager drive a Tesla', the counterargument is that many would like to have all their family vehicles be EVs. Then consider that the safest car on the road today is the S. Then consider that you might want your wife or teenager to have the largest battery available so they may not need to charge at a remote location at night when driving by themselves. So, given all this you have a 85 pack in any configuration capable of 0-60 in 3-4 seconds. Yes, I would like 'safe mode' and I am well aware this is a 'first world' problem.
While I believe that this will be part of a release 'soon', I realize it is not a significant one for the entire fleet. I would think some type of upgrade involving APPs/connectivity..�
Feb 15, 2015
Andyw2100 I certainly hope you are correct.�
Feb 15, 2015
Bet TSLA Somebody want to point to a source for this? I've seen "positive impact" which is a really low bar, with almost anything qualifying. When did Elon say "significant impact"?�
Feb 15, 2015
Bet TSLA I think we're going to see Nav improvements, among other things. They're due. Now that there's better energy awareness, it can be explicitly integrated into the routing UI. This includes alternate routes, waypoints and arbitrary start point (for trip planning), supercharger routing (taking availability into account, which would be a perfectly doable addition), and user preferences (least energy, least distance, least time). I think these things are all simply waiting on proper UI design. I currently find my P85's chosen route to be rather inexplicable, and sometimes bizarre, and I can't do a variety of things I would like to do. Obviously, over time Tesla will implement pretty much all the EVTripPlanner features that people like.
My model for Tesla on these things is Apple. We won't see a feature from Tesla until they have figured out how to make it excellent, and if it's a catch up feature it will have to be better in some significant way than what the other guys already have. This is why, for example, we haven't seen blind spot monitoring yet -- I think they've been able to do it for a while, but it isn't yet as good as they want it and they won't put it out there until it is.�
Feb 15, 2015
GreenT Then you don't use the browser in the car for anything. The browser itself is laughable. Quite a few care, thank you.
It cannot even present an HTML pull down menu.
It needs serious improvement.�
Feb 15, 2015
dhanson865 Tesla Motors' (TSLA) CEO Elon Musk On Q4 2014 Results - Earnings Call Transcript
http://seekingalpha.com/article/2909556-tesla-motors-sla-ceo-elon-musk-on-q4-2014-results-earnings-call-transcript
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Feb 15, 2015
deonb Actually, moving the voice recognition to either Siri or Cortana would be a great idea. Currently the voice recognition sucks, since the volume of users of the system is so low.
Voice recognition is like search - the more users you have, the better the accuracy becomes.�
Feb 15, 2015
morbot Assuming Elon isn't exaggerating and it really is something significant, I would expect one (or more) of the following, all of which others have mentioned:
- Major UI/UE overhaul, hopefully with better voice recognition & voice commands
- 3rd party apps opened up - opening up a world of new features
- Found some computer magic to give a significant efficiency/mileage boost to all models
There's a lot of individual features we'd love to see and maybe they'll tag along, but individual features dont seem to live up to the wording he used.�
Feb 15, 2015
BerTX Doesn't affect all cars positively. Only those with the Tech Package have Nav.�
Feb 15, 2015
Bet TSLA Right. But I read Elon's remarks as saying that the changes in the whole will "positively affect" the entire fleet. Nav changes will do that for most of the fleet. That just leaves the small number of non-Nav cars to get something that makes them a bit better. As I said, this is a very low bar. An improvement in the battery warming algorithm would do.
It would be nice if somebody had a source for that claim of "significant impact" improvements in the offing.�
Feb 15, 2015
BerTX I don't think anyone is denying your assertion that the correct quote is "positively affect" rather than "significantly impact".
I have no idea how many MS's are ordered without the Tech Package. My guess would be that it is a far higher percentage now than it was 5 months ago! I hope you are right and the Nav is improved.
Seems likely to me that several of the items proposed on this thread will be implemented, thus there will be SOMETHING that improves for every owner!�
Feb 15, 2015
TexasEV Making the tech package optional is just a way to present a lower base price. I can't imagine many cars are sold without it, and those who forego it should be made aware they may not get all the benefit of upgrades as some will depend on navigation.�
Feb 16, 2015
rlang59 Something that needs to be considered when Tesla says something is going to "positively impact the entire fleet" doesn't necessarily mean every car will get it. They can just use a similar excuse as they did when they increased Supercharging to 120kW but those with an A pack did not get it. The reasoning they provided was that the average charge time for the fleet would go down so everyone does get the benefit of faster charging (sorry to bring this old wound up again).
Now I'm not saying that this is what will happen here but considering past history I will be lowering my expectations and not taking what Tesla says literally.�
Feb 16, 2015
ItsNotAboutTheMoney Actually, I think it's to read Elon Musk's statements literally.
- substantial firmware update: updates lots of code in the firmware; says nothing about the effect
- positively affect the entire fleet: it will be better than before; says nothing about how much better
"Changelog: reformatted the code because I like my { below my ifs. Added 'Display Picture of Elon' option as requested by senior management."�
Feb 16, 2015
tga OT, but... I used to work with someone who was notorious for doing stupid s**t like this (reformatting whitespace/tabs to spaces was another favorite of his). He never seemed to get what a PITA it was to diff versions of code after he went in and stirred the pot...:cursing:�
Feb 16, 2015
Taipan "Entire fleet" might indicate "worldwide" too.
For example, voice recognition iirc is only available in english so no one outside US/UK can use it for Sat Nav.
Or you need to say "quarante-neuf (49) avenue des Champs-Elys�es, Paris" with an insane US accent "forty-nine avenew day tchenz-hey-liz-hey, pairissss"
Getting it compatible with 50+ spoken languages like Waze or Google Maps is quite a task.
Same goes with reading speed signs for autopilot: they come in different shape and different colors of background vs. fonts in every country.
Some are located on the right side of the road (EU), some on the left side (UK), sometimes they are 5 meters above the road on bridges.
And then you have white lines on the ground, either right or left. And sometimes they are yellow, not white. And sometimes they have strong reflective green mirrors included every five meters which may disturb readings.
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Feb 16, 2015
BerTX Communication of this would be a good idea!
There are threads about the woes of not getting the tech package, so there are some without it. Unfortunately, some buyers really, really want a Tesla, and it has to be now. They think that they can sacrifice the gizmos to reduce the cost by $3-4k. Seems to me that the car won't be delivered for a couple of months, and you should be able to save that much up by then, but what do I know?�
Feb 16, 2015
celter The thing that would really send shock-waves into the car industry would be lifetime warranty. Would that be economically viable for Tesla?�
Feb 16, 2015
Robert.Boston Regardless, that's not a firmware upgrade.�
Feb 16, 2015
HankLloydRight John Delorean wanted to offer a lifetime warranty on the stainless steel body on the Delorean... his backers and insurance company wouldn't let him do it.
35+ years later, and most Deloreans that had even the minimal care for their stainless body are still in great shape.�
Feb 16, 2015
hiroshiy Asian cars (China, HK, Japan) don't have voice commands, no navigation, no range-aware nav, no smart air conditioning, no TPMS, no Slacker, very poor Japanese input so map is not searchable, etc.
Hope Tesla puts more focus on internationalization so we non-US owners can recommend Tesla to more people, and Elon's firmware update will positively affects us as well.�
Feb 16, 2015
donv Depends on what you mean by "warranty." If you mean that Tesla will replace a part if it fails and it hasn't met or exceeded it's service life, then that might be possible. If you mean that they'll fix it for free, forever, then no, that's not happening.
No warranty covers things which fail from wear and tear. They cover things which weren't made right in the first place, and so failed before they should have.
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Feb 16, 2015
eye.surgeon The financial liability this would assume is staggering. Customers would be happy but stockholders wouldn't.�
Feb 16, 2015
FlasherZ I'm still betting on my predictions from last year:
UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMOR: New firmware 5.13? Tesla service says it's being pushed now... - Page 3
We already got the turn signal stalk swap, but it was hardware instead of software.
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You're WRONG! Brackets come at the end of the IF line! That's how you're supposed to do it!!!!111!!!eleventy-one!!omg!wtfbbq!!!�
Feb 16, 2015
HankLloydRight Umm.. those are braces.
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Feb 16, 2015
jamieb A few thoughts regarding things that would affect the entire fleet:
1) As I posted last evening in the CarPlay thread, Apple just released iOS 8.3 beta:
Apple Seeds First iOS 8.3 Beta to Developers With Wireless CarPlay, New Emoji Picker, Apple Pay for China - Mac Rumors
The relevance here is that for the first time CarPlay will support Bluetooth connectivity, previously it required a wired connection which was inelegant IMO. Enabling navigation by one's smartphone, iOS or Android, would allow non-tech vehicles to have navigation thrown up on the center display.
2) The ability to push a planned route from the app or from the web to the car directly so the route is ready to go when you get in the car
3) The ability to use a high-capacity USB stick in one of the USB ports as an (admittedly slow) external drive for the main console system, e.g., to cache maps and permit third-party apps (assuming they publish an API and allow them) to cache their own data, especially when one is on a WiFi connection at home.
4) Better phone integration, i.e., 'favorites' and even having pictures from contacts appear on the screen when making calls�
Feb 16, 2015
FlasherZ That's part of the act.�
Feb 17, 2015
Lerxt Hong Kong cars have voice commands, smart pre-conditioning and the standard TPMS.�
Feb 17, 2015
J1mbo New autopilot features - I am guessing self-parking and blind-spot awareness, which would put the MS more or less at feature parity with the competiton
For the whole fleet - apps, valet mode, top speed increase, torque sleep, eco mode (limits max power output with "kick down" as override), more nav improvements including waypoints and recommended charging stops, web interface in My Tesla for those of us who do not have android or apple phones, offline trip planning using the app/web interface, refreshed UI and passenger seat memory function.�
Feb 17, 2015
sandpiper How the heck do you put torque sleep on a RWD car with one motor? I see the rest of the wishlist items as a definite possibility. I think that the UI is somewhat dated and due for a general overhaul.�
Feb 17, 2015
J1mbo I imagine it might be something like only powering the motor (say) 75% of the time when not accelerating, probably between a min speed and a max speed so that the car doesn't feel like it is stuttering.�
Feb 17, 2015
HankLloydRight So more like Torque Napping?�
Feb 17, 2015
FlasherZ Yes, but power-napping.�
Feb 17, 2015
Insane Batteries that can power your home.�
Feb 17, 2015
tomas Great if you are on time of day pricing but for large group on fixed rate, what does this offer?
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Really interesting to see if this can be done without annoying speed variations. Maybe a redo of cruise control which minimizes kW used to maintain constant speed?�
Feb 17, 2015
hiroshiy Hi, Lerxt, thanks for correcting me. Does your smart air conditioning work? I was told if no navigation, no smart air conditioning.
Anyway Tesla need to focus on more basic things like nav, rather than more advanced features.�
Feb 18, 2015
wonko Maybe, just maybe, the software update will allow bidirectional power. Meaning, that with the correct inverter, the car can run the electrics in the house. Chedemo cars usually can do this, creating a backup power source for emergencies. After Fokushima, this was a great selling point for electric cars in Japan.�
Feb 18, 2015
deonb Backup power supply.
If Tesla had this available today inside South Africa, they'll sell 30'000 Model S's per year in that market alone.
(South Africa has a 2 hour almost-daily rolling blackout, and will likely have that for the next year or two. Good time to be a solar / backup generator installer!)
Even in Seattle, I would love to have a backup power source, considering out history of epic week-long power failures. I would be happy to pay another $2500 for this capability, and it would be my catalyst for a quicker upgrade, more than any other feature.�
Feb 18, 2015
Vger My 2 cent's worth:
I do not think we will necessarily see anything radically new, at least for the whole fleet. I think there are still MANY undelivered features and featurettes in the core functionality, especially navigation. For example:
1) Via points
2) Alternative routes (like Google)
3) Auto-supercharger routing
4) Integration with PlugShare, including auto routing when you are low on charge.
5) More refinement in the Media app: playlists; wired access from iPhone; CarPlay, etc.
Also for the app:
5) Trip energy prediction integration/display
6) Navigation set-up from the app
7) Change charge current from app�
Feb 18, 2015
Brass Guy Not going to happen. Doing this could void the vehicle warranty. Under "Exclusions and Limitations," "Using the vehicle as a stationary power source;"
I've seen it suggested many times, but Tesla obviously does not want this.�
Feb 18, 2015
ChrisPDX My guess is video playback support. Being able to play a MP4 or other video file off of the USB drive while in Park. This is my guess because with 6.1, they revamped the backup camera to be software based, not video overlay. So I would imagine it's a pretty easy step now to add video playback support after adding all that additional code. Video playback in the web browser would be great too, but I doubt that due to the 3G connection and the increase in bandwidth required. Maybe allow it if it's using a WiFi connection though. One can always hope! :smile:
As much as I would like to see additional GPS features, I doubt it's that due to many not having the tech package and they said it would be for everyone. I guess we'll find out in 3-12 months. LOL�
Feb 18, 2015
hiroshiy If Tesla keeps offering free supercharging it's going to be a problem to have V2H (vehicle to home) service. There are many people taking advantage of free Nissan chargers and V2H in Japan, bringing back free electricity every week.�
Feb 19, 2015
Lerxt I work irregular hours so I don't use the smart airconditioning. There is not navigation yet but they are promising it Q1 this year....�
Feb 19, 2015
mnx Echoing others sentiments, I would love to be able to use my Model S as a backup power source in case of a multi-day power outage, however I seriously doubt that this would be included in the FW upgrade Elon mentioned.�
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