Jul 10, 2016
msnow Agree, it was good advice.�
Jul 10, 2016
calisnow Here's your solution as a stop gap - sell it for what you paid a few months later:
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Jul 10, 2016
AZ Desert Driver Just because your lease is up - why does that mean you are on foot? Just buy out the residual value - its designed to be a fair market price. Keep driving your old familiar sled. Who would know its value any better? I expect you would be a shoe in for a loan from the leasing company.�
Jul 10, 2016
hybridbear The residual is about $8k more than the car is actually worth.�
Jul 10, 2016
hybridbear I've thought about that, but idk about depreciation with a Leaf. I've thought about getting a beater $500 car to drive temporarily, that might be the most cost effective option.�
Jul 10, 2016
xav- I think it should be EOY.. In my case it's easier than for you though cuz work is a 5 min walk.. We can survive on one car. From a financial perspective it makes a lot of sense to go ICE until the 3 honestly�
Jul 10, 2016
krazineurons
Something is definitely going to be announced by end of this year, hopefully.�
Jul 11, 2016
msnow If by "something" you mean new sensors and cameras (AP 2.0) I don't see how you get that from this tweet. I took Elon's answer to mean when they get to 1B miles and out of "beta". Did I miss another tweet?�
Jul 11, 2016
AZ Desert Driver I agree..Something will be announced. by somebody on something. It will rain today. somewhere, perhaps in the rain forest, but Something will fall from the sky this year.�
Jul 11, 2016
krazineurons Where's the optimism mate?�
Jul 11, 2016
AZ Desert Driver Yes, a tad snark. I've used the "Im certain it will rain today" and trail into location.. so many times my wife just eye-rolls when I start.
As for optimism.... I am waiting with unbelievable anticipation and optimism, credit card in hand, to pull the trigger on my MS. I neeeeeed to know AP2 is here.�
Jul 11, 2016
hybridbear I'm kind of inclined now to cancel my order & wait until after AP 2.0 hardware is being installed in cars to place my order. Now that I've driven electric for a few years I couldn't go back to an ICE on anything more than a temporary basis.�
Jul 11, 2016
krazineurons I wish I could do that. I have placed the order of my X already, have postponed delivery to January now hoping it atleast gets the hardware.�
Jul 11, 2016
buckerine He's on record of saying that there will be a year-end announcement regarding autopilot.�
Jul 11, 2016
ecarfan No, Elon is on record as saying that before they end of this year Tesla will have an announcement and that it will be, quote, "The obvious thing."
If you can find a reliable source saying differently, please post it.�
Jul 11, 2016
calisnow I interpreted his "secret master plan" tweet to mean that he is going to communicate something about the overall future direction of Tesla as a company - not specifics on any one technology such as autopilot. I could be wrong of course.�
Jul 11, 2016
msnow Yeah, I think you're right. Elon knows the difference between tactical, strategic and master plans.�
Jul 11, 2016
krazineurons This is what the tweet read. I read it as a significant upgrade to AP, not clear if it is only software or hardware too.
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Jul 11, 2016
ecarfan I do not interpret that Elon tweet you quoted as having any relation to the major announcement/event that Elon mysteriously referred to during his interview at the Recode conference earlier this year. In the tweet you quote, Elon is simply saying that there will be a major AP software release in the near future. Since it has been some time since major changes to AP, this is no surprise.�
Jul 11, 2016
buckerine Yes, and he made that statement with respect to autopilot. I don't know if you were replying to me, but clearly one can infer from his exchange at Recode that there will be a year-end announcement about autopilot and that it'll relate to upgrades to autopilot capabilities.�
Jul 11, 2016
SR22pilot I agree. I think he is going to discuss Tesla as an energy company and why buying Solar City makes sense in order to follow the new "secret master plan."�
Jul 11, 2016
golfingBuddha Interestingly no mention of "new hardware"�
Jul 11, 2016
AZ Desert Driver Well - I just did it. Placed my order for a shiny red Model S. Does this mean I can't play hear any more?�
Jul 11, 2016
calisnow Don't like you now - move along please.�
Jul 11, 2016
msnow See ya!
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Jul 11, 2016
krazineurons When are you taking the delivery?�
Jul 12, 2016
AZ Desert Driver Those dirty rotten folks at Tesla want to take my trade in RIGHT NOW, so of course I must take delivery ASAP to minimize my time walking. Cant delay until AP2 is released (will that be soon, intermediate, M3 reveal, or just do it).
Now all those questions of wiring the house to 100 amps, Xpel coatings, etc shift from theoretical to damnit-doit.
I've never researched a car buying experience this hard before. Quick check on horsepower, and other performance features, color, price and the real is done. Here...500 messages to just THIS forum and those are just the ones that made to to the keyboard.
Time to start the log:
Ordered = 7/11/16
Confirmed = 7/?
Entered Production = 8/?
Exit Production = 8/ ?+ 7 days
In Transit = 8/7 + 14 days
At Service Center = Sept 1 ?
Commissioning date = Sept + 14 days?
First night home = My Birthday mid Sept????
Multi-coat Arrest-me Red MS60
Metal roof
Autopilot 1.0 (damn, I wanted to get 2.0)
Tan leather
White headliner�
Jul 12, 2016
msnow Congratulations AZ!!�
Jul 12, 2016
calisnow They want your trade now, rather than when you get the Tesla built and sign the paperwork?�
Jul 12, 2016
AZ Desert Driver yeah - They met my requested Trade- In value, and seem to want to not let that value decline over the next 6 weeks - so I get to walk for awhile. Nice, huh? I'll have another chat about letting me use my car for the duration...first round did not go my way.�
Jul 12, 2016
roblab In my experience, you buy your car, you don't know what level of hardware you have, new firmware comes out and you go out in the morning to see you now have... well, in your case, probably AP 2.0. I highly suspect you have the hardware. Don't cry until you know you don't.�
Jul 26, 2016
krazineurons Does the recent announcement from MobileEye change your predictions? How do you think Tesla is planning to deliver AP 2.0 without Mobile Eye?�
Jul 26, 2016
MarkS22 My initial thought was DrivePX, but then Musk said:
"MobilEye�s ability to evolve its technology is unfortunately negatively affected by having to support hundreds of models from legacy auto companies, resulting in a very high engineering drag coefficient. Tesla is laser-focused on achieving full self-driving capability on one integrated platform with an order of magnitude greater safety than the average manually driven car"
So, it sounds like he's looking for an in-house solution (probably using sensors from companies like Bosch) that can be designed specifically for Tesla. I suspect this will push out the release of AP 2.0 hardware until well into 2017 or later. Jim Keller (Vice President of Autopilot Hardware Engineering) and Andrew Graham appear to be in charge of the program. They're only on-board for about six months.Up until this point, there was much speculation that Mobileye and a possible "five EyeQ3 8-camera system" could be coming. There's no possible way they've gotten up to speed, designed, tested, and implemented a new sensor suite in fewer than six months.
Now, look at the theme that has been happening the past month or two. For example, Elon's comment that we will see "moderate to big" improvements in 8.0 with current hardware. And that Bosch will be able to make "significant improvements" with the radar via software. I believe these are suggestive that the next sensor suite is further out and they're planting seeds that current hardware has yet to reach its limits.
I suspect Tesla is looking to lean more heavily on radar to build 3D point clouds as opposed to Mobileye's camera-priority model. If Tesla indeed pivots to making radar more of a priority, it would clash with Mobileye's roadmap.
Note Elon said this event "will not have any material effect on [Tesla�s] plans." That doesn't mean "no delay." After all, they never announced or promised another hardware suite.�
Jul 26, 2016
msnow This makes total sense.�
Jul 26, 2016
krazineurons Makes very good sense, but it doesn't explain how it fits with the Model 3 real part II plan slated for end of this year. Full autonomy with M3 is still on the cards and data so far suggests that current hardware will not be able to support it. From this new information it seems unlikely for them to announce a fully autonomous system by end of this year as they have to ship it with 2017 M3 deliveries and do the obvious thing as well.
OTOH I feel like stupid having delayed my MX delivery to JANUARY 2017. Is there a straw I can hold my sinking heart with?�
Jul 27, 2016
buckerine You can accelerate your delivery at anytime.�
Jul 27, 2016
AnxietyRanger So, in light of the latest MobilEye partnership discontinuation and all this talk of upgraded software for current HW from both MobilEye and Tesla (and indirectly Bosch), is the speculation that Tesla had cancelled a planned "AP 1.5" for Model X and facelift Model S (evidenced by the dual camera bracket in X, the schematics in S and various mules)... probably in favour of a full-autonomous capable AP 2.0 hardware (software to come belatedly) developed more in-house that may come later than AP 1.5 might have?
The three camera system seen in Model S facelift schematics could not possibly have been autonomous capable, so it would (have?) been an interim step still. This sort of announcement for the breaking of the partnership might imply that "AP 1.5" was still MobilEye based but fell through? Maybe the divorce reasons both Tesla and MobilEye give relate to pains in this project. Maybe it was late and Tesla decided to go direct to Level 4 hardware instead...
Just speculation of course.�
Aug 6, 2016
JeffreyY Have you guys seen this
Wait to buy model S, hoping for next gen autopilot hardware?�
Aug 6, 2016
krazineurons Why are the chances that littlebirdie11 isn't trolling?�
Aug 7, 2016
JeffreyY Dunno�
Aug 7, 2016
benemac Crossing my fingers and and seeing if the husband wants to order with a December delivery. We could always push it up.�
Aug 7, 2016
krazineurons Just the anticipation to hear something is changing on 5th Sep gives me goosebumps. Boy I wish it is true.�
Aug 7, 2016
theslimshadyist I highly doubt there's any credibility to that Reddit post, Tesla and MobileEye are parting ways so I gotta believe that we are still a ways out from AP 2.0. Just my opinion...�
Aug 7, 2016
JeffreyY Me too! I really want to buy a Model S....just waiting for the new AP hw to be included.�
Aug 7, 2016
JeffreyY I believe the separation of ME and Tesla was at Tesla's behest. I don't believe it has implications for timing of AP2. Also Mobileye will still sell Tesla the IQ3 chip. The rest of the recognition I am pretty sure is Tesla sw.�
Aug 7, 2016
theslimshadyist My guess is that the 9/5 announcement will be firmware update 8.0.�
Aug 7, 2016
JeffreyY In some ways, it makes sense if Tesla makes the hw announcement sooner than later if indeed it intends to allow Model X and refresh Model S to be upgraded. Otherwise, the more cars that are out there, the upgrades will flood the service centers; unless, they stagger the upgrades.�
Aug 7, 2016
benemac If they begin placing new hardware in the car, we may not know it until announcement which could come later. Unless it's pretty obvious externally. They didn't acknowledge AP1 until a couple weeks later.�
Aug 8, 2016
butchmank9 I strongly believe that something will be coming out soon in the news by Elon because he needs to test the Model 3 out in the open and before this happens he wants the world to know what he has cooking up with the newest technology in the Tesla world. This only makes sense. Elon would not want the newest technology to be seen on the streets before you reveals it to the world. Elon did mention that at the end of the year part 2 of the Model 3 will be revealed I believed.
Does anyone else want to share there opinion on this?�
Aug 8, 2016
strykeroz How could an observer tell if they were looking at testing of the new capabilities since a driver would be present in the seat?�
Aug 8, 2016
butchmank9 That's true LOL but I was thinking about the newest tech things that would be in and outside the car also. HUD, ect...�
Aug 8, 2016
Raffy.Roma Hope that Elon will replace AP2 with AD1 (Autonomous Driving) meaning that the new system will guarantee autonomous driving at least when the current AP1 is able to work. Think that new hardware has to be added, Maybe it will be a little more expansive but who cares if safety is better guaranteed?�
Aug 8, 2016
FloridaJohn That appears to be a common expectation, but all Elon actually said was there would be an Autopilot announcement near the end of the year.
I think there will be an announcement about the new capabilities of Autopilot (whatever those may be), and that Models S and X will see them right away (or after the first of the year). He may not even mention Model 3.
I think Reveal 2 for Model 3 will be in March or April next year.�
Aug 8, 2016
dsvick They don't have to test new AP technology in a M3, they can put the hardware in either a MS or MX just as easily for testing purposes. We'll probably see M3 prototypes on the streets well before the 2nd reveal.
I don't think he said specifically when the 2nd reveal would be, only that it would be closer to actual production. I'm with FloridaJohn above, the next reveal will be in April of next year, about a month before the first people are asked to configure. Which should be about 2 months before the first deliveries ... hopefully!�
Aug 8, 2016
JeffK He did mention they were going to reveal something at the end of this year...�
Aug 8, 2016
FloridaJohn Yeah, Autopilot 2.0 ("we're doing the obvious thing")�
Aug 8, 2016
JeffK But is it autopilot 2.0 on the Model 3 ??? And it'll also be appearing in the model S/X after that reveal as well�
Aug 8, 2016
FloridaJohn I would guess the answer is yes, but I suppose we'll all find out for sure when they announce it.�
Aug 9, 2016
Model 3 Well, this is exactly what Elon answered with "we're doing the obvious thing". And I think it is the obvious thing to add AP 2.0 to TM3 if it is ready (and in use in the Model S/X).
... on the other hand, if the HW was not ready when the pencils were down for the Model 3, maybe the obvious thing is to wait for a later inclusion�
Aug 9, 2016
JeffK Elon has confirmed the hardware is ready and available today and it's only a matter of software.
Elon Musk on Tesla fully autonomous car: �What we�ve got will blow people�s minds, it blows my mind� it�ll come sooner than people think��
Aug 9, 2016
ModelNforNerd
I think "doing the obvious thing" depends on the question being asked.
Is it Model 3 Reveal 2?
Is it Autopilot 2.0?
Is it both in one event, where he says "and as of next week, all new S/X also ship with APv2.0 HW"?
He certainly knows how to keep us guessing/interested.�
Aug 9, 2016
JeffK Actually we know exactly what question was asked...
It was at the code conference. Here's a question from later in the night regarding the subject as well.
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Aug 9, 2016
ModelNforNerd
I'm confused. If the comment was made right after the video cuts off, what was the video for?�
Aug 9, 2016
JeffK context ... and I think I'm totally wrong and the comment was made earlier in that night. But code conference is the relevant event. Plus, his face is priceless.
It's actually at 40 min into the interview the interviewer asks:
"That car will have autonomous for 35 [$35k]"
Elon responds:
"I have a... uh.. I'm going to do another Tesla event maybe at the end of the year. um... talk more about that." [nods]
"and so you could start here"
[laughter]
"umm.. it will be really big news if I start here um"
"we don't mind that"
[elon laughs]
"Let me just say that we're going to do the obvious thing"
[silence]
"okayyy"
[laughter]
"It's really obvious"
[more laughter]�
Aug 9, 2016
ModelNforNerd
my interpretation remains the same: you could go either way based on that Q+A. the cost of the Model 3 is mentioned. "that car".
and then "another Tesla event maybe at the end of the year".
so the obvious thing still, to me, depends on what "question" you were looking for an answer to. Model 3 or Autopilot.
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Aug 9, 2016
Model 3 It's here @39:35:
Context is Model 3
Question: That car will have autonomous for $35k?
Answer: I gonna do an another Tesla event - maybe at the end of the year and talk more about that.
Follow-up: But you can start here?
A: It'll be really big news if I start here
F: We don't mind that
A: Hehe - Let me just say that we are doing the obvious thing.
It's really obvious.
So now we have the question and context
None of this q's is absolutely clear... (except maybe the latest�
Aug 9, 2016
ModelNforNerd Yes, that was the point I was trying to make (uneloquently...coffee not as effective as I'd hoped this morning.....)
the whole exchange was ambiguous. the "obvious thing" is still rather open-ended�
Aug 9, 2016
JeffK I think it's simply a Muskism for I better not make anything public or else the board will chastise me.
in the last call he said the autonomous stuff they are currently doing internally will blow people's minds. It even blows his mind which is saying something.�
Aug 9, 2016
ModelNforNerd
I agree, we're in line to hear great things about APv2.0, but we're also due to hear great things about the Model 3.
So the planning question will arise....
does Elon dump it all on us at once, maybe at a Model 3 reveal 2 event, where the Beta mules drive the media around? and he gets to tell us it's "now available on newly built S/X models"....
or..
and the more I think about it, does he do it the other way around?
APv2.0 reveal in Q4, to allay some of the concerns surrounding AP, etc. Then Model 3 at the end of Q1?
If I was him...and it would be a little mean (but so am I)..... I'd run an APv2.0 event, featuring the S and X. And at the very end, I'd have the "pencils down" Model 3 beta drive itself past everyone, and then I'd say "see you in a few months!"
That would keep us busy on the forums through the winter.�
Aug 9, 2016
JeffK He's stated previously that they are holding back and can increase the number of pre-orders at any time. I think the event at the end of the year will be the reveal part 2 with the new autopilot and at that time it will be available on newer Model S/X (assuming new hardware is involved stereo cameras, etc).
The technical change is getting more mapping data. If you have Model S/X on the road which can collect data via the new sensors then when Model 3 drops it'll be pretty decent. Better still once more Model 3's hit the road.�
Aug 9, 2016
ModelNforNerd
I think the fact that someone outed a Model X that recently shipped with the double-camera housing on the windshield points to them being ready to quietly rollout the HW to the S and X.
And yes, I think the S and X will be v2-capable, but only have v1 software for a while, as the data gets collected, like you said.
EM said they'd need "a billion miles" before AP is considered out of (Tesla's definition of) Beta. That number will obviously be easier to achieve once you add another 300k+ vehicles to the data collection pool.�
Aug 9, 2016
malcolm Absolutely.
Expect to see endless threads with titles like: "Just ordered and now Tesla upgrades AGAIN!"�
Aug 9, 2016
grommet Not a fact. The housing has never changed on the Model X. It's always been like that way, with one side empty and covered up. It's called bad reporting, using Facebook posts as a source.
A better hint would have been any change on the Model S when it was refreshed more recently. But, as we all know, there were zero changes re: camera, camera housing, or sensors.�
Aug 9, 2016
JeffK Tesla Model X delivered with dual front-facing camera housing hinting at Autopilot 2.0
I think all new models will come with the hardware only after the second reveal.�
Aug 9, 2016
ModelNforNerd
I was going to reply, but someone else already linked the non-Facebook article I was referring to.�
Aug 9, 2016
Saghost Yeah. But if you read the non-Facebook article, it is a news website making a story about the item from Facebook.
And as grommet said, it's been discussed for a long time and every model X delivered to date has had a dual camera housing, ever since the initial Founder's edition deliveries a year ago. Every one of those cars has a camera only on the right side of the housing, with the left blanked out.
For come reason, the guy that started the FB thread got his back from service still with only one camera in it, but the blank that normally covers the left side was missing. Seems more likely to be a mistake at the service center than proof of the future.�
Aug 9, 2016
ModelNforNerd
the whole comment came off as smug, paired with the "look at me" Silicon Valley location, and it just reeked of "I'm smarter than you".
if you know as much as you claim to, please share.
since you're in Silicon Valley, maybe you have connections. But if we're just naming off TV shows we like, maybe i'll change mine to Silicon Valley too.�
Aug 9, 2016
Saghost Huh? Where does my profile say Silicon Valley? It shouldn't. My location clearly says Delaware.
I'm not trying to be smug - just maybe a little exasperated that everyone still thinks there's a magic pony hiding in there even though we've had dozens of threads on the topic with the same information every time.
Then your comment about a non-FB article seemed to suggest that you felt it had more validity because it wasn't from FB - which is why I had to point out that in the modern internet, one piece of information from social media quickly turns in to a bunch of articles - even if the piece from social media is mistaken or mis understood.
For the record, I don't *know* anything more about AP 2 than you do - but I've read a lot of threads on it lately.�
Aug 9, 2016
ModelNforNerd
not you, the guy you jumped all over defending who initially made the comment about the "FB article"
I read plenty of articles and threads too, and electrek is actually a reliable source for Tesla news. If it had come directly from FB, I'd have been less likely to bring it up. but electrek usually follows up on their pieces.
Everyone on here seems to either want to be the first to "break" news we all saw hours ago (don't believe me....wait for Elon's next "big" tweet and see how many different threads analyzing it pop up).
Or the less helpful ones than that? the ones who decide it's their duty to dis-spell everything they see on here, all while acting as if they have some insider knowledge.
the internet is a terrible place, and it's why we can't have nice things.�
Aug 9, 2016
Garlan Garner I like this idea.�
Aug 9, 2016
Garlan Garner You might be right. Tesla has plenty of time for any kind of reveal.
I believe Tesla is going to be quiet for a long long time. What new news could they possibly wow the crowd with?�
Aug 10, 2016
Raffy.Roma Thank you�
Aug 10, 2016
S3XY Just the obvious thing.�
Aug 10, 2016
Garlan Garner I guess that's only 8 months away.�
Aug 10, 2016
S3XY Yes it is but what do I know?�
Aug 10, 2016
3Victoria I think you are guessing well.
1. Tesla has stated that the S/X will always be technology leaders --> AP2.0 will be introduced to them first. If AP2.0 requires new hardware, it will be intriduced to S/X first.
2. A 3 second-reveal will require new protypes to be built, this will take a while, both from hardware and software aspects. I think late 2016 thru spring 2017. A year post the first reveal sounds like a good bet.
Can't wait�
Aug 10, 2016
JeffK Meh pencils down already and they just ordered parts for potentially 300 Model 3's. The hardware will not be an issue for a reveal later this year.�
Aug 11, 2016
butchmank9 I feel what everyone is saying but I still strongly believe that M3 part 2 will be revealed before the end of this year. Mark my words.
Love Tesla�
Aug 11, 2016
Sir Guacamolaf Interesting article - Tesla Autopilot 2.0: next gen Autopilot powered by more radar, new triple camera, some equipment already in production
Anyone notice any differences in the newest cars? Also if the above is true, pretty much means that 2.0 is going to rely heavily in new hardware. Not so optimistic that older cars will have an upgrade path, but still hoping for the best.�
Aug 11, 2016
flamingoezz BOOM!
this is all laying out really well for an announcement late this year that AP 2.0 is in new S&X models and software is being update. That would jive with Elon's comments about S&X getting tech first -- 9 months before M3 release.
Tesla Autopilot 2.0: next gen Autopilot powered by more radar, new triple camera, some equipment already in production�
Aug 11, 2016
Bishop i wouldn't even know where to look�
Aug 11, 2016
Model S M.D. Very interesting news...Can't wait for the 8.0 update and the AP 2.0 possibilities on the Model 3!�
Aug 11, 2016
Logan5 I have a new Model S, delivered a week from last Saturday. It does not have any new hardware that is apparent, just the single camera, radar, and typical suite of sensors.�
Aug 11, 2016
twonius Same here. Sounds like cars delivered next week will be the ones with new hardware.
It would be a bit annoying to have missed the cutoff by 2 weeks but such is life in the world of continuous improvements and I'm still very happy with my car.
I wonder if level 3 or 4 autonomy will still only cost $2500 considering the extra hardware.�
Aug 11, 2016
krazineurons That news item has no update on when the MCU will arrive. Unless the MCU is on board all new sensors will not function to the fullest abilities
It doesn't make sense for them to release the new hardware in stages if new MCU will not be part of the retrofit, so I am not entirely trusting this article.�
Aug 11, 2016
ecarfan I think this quote from the article answers your question:
QUOTE: "The new sensors have yet to be introduced in production vehicles, but everything points toward a release fairly soon. Several components have already been introduced in the production cars, like wiring harnesses and as previously mentioned, the housing for the triple camera system on the rearview mirror cutout."
So the "some equipment" phrase from the article headline means a new wiring harness and a new camera housing where the rear view mirror is. It does not mean the additional radars and forward facing cameras mentioned in the article as being part of AP 2.0.
I am as certain as I can be that Tesla will not offer an AP 2.0 retrofit for the AP 1.0 cars (those produced from mid-September up to now).�
Aug 11, 2016
MP3Mike Unless the current MCU can handle things with the new sensors but with AP1.0 software, and that an entirely new module will be added to handle Autopilot things and take that load off of the MCU. (The wiring harness could be there, and once the module is available you just plug it in, set a configuration option, and redeploy the firmware. Bam. AP 2.0)
I'm not saying that is what will be done, but it is certainly possible for them to plan to retro-fit this.�
Aug 11, 2016
ecarfan I saw nothing in the article that indicated AP 2.0 cars would be "delivered next week". The article states this:
QUOTE "With this said, there are also several other essential components to Autopilot 2.0 that need to make it to the vehicles before Tesla can release the system and we can�t confirm at which stage of development/production they are at the moment and therefore, we can�t offer an expected time of arrival for Autopilot 2.0."
Perhaps you read this paragraph from the article and thought it was referring to the coming new AP 2.0 hardware, but it does not:
QUOTE: "In the meantime, Tesla owners with autopilot can still expect some significant improvements with the upcoming v8.0 of Tesla OS. There�s still no word on when the wide release of the update should happen, but it has been in closed beta for over a month now. Based on Tesla�s history of closed beta programs, it should be just a few weeks away from release."�
Aug 11, 2016
twonius This is what I was referring to. People have been waiting for the new triple cam for a while
"Additionally, the system will feature a new front-facing triple camera system for which we are told Tesla started installing new housing in cars this week."�
Aug 11, 2016
ecarfan Already being discussed at Autopilot 2.0 - Has anyone noticed any new hardware on their new cars?
This news is not Model 3 specific.�
Aug 11, 2016
Chopr147 Before ordering this was a concern of mine but I just had to order. I may have missed it by only a few weeks "In Transit" now. No regrets! Next month it will be some other update etc.....Like twonius said "such is life in the world of continuous improvements "�
Aug 11, 2016
FredLambert Author of the article here. @ecarfan is right. While new housing are going into production, it doesn't mean that the vehicles will have AP 2.0 hardware suite.
Tesla's current vehicles have housing for two cameras in only one is being used: Tesla Model X delivered with dual front-facing camera housing hinting at Autopilot 2.0
It could simply have to do with the timing in the supply chain. The new housing is ready and doesn't make sense anymore to produce/order the old one.�
Aug 11, 2016
Canuck I missed out AP hardware on the first go round but my windshield has the shaded out part where the camera was placed (and it looks odd). So it seems to me they got related parts ready for the addition of the hardware in advance, as they seem to be doing now.
I agree that retrofit is highly unlikely. Even if it could be done, most service stations are behind just trying to keep up with maintenance and repair appointments.
I commend twonis and Chopr147 for their attitudes of no regrets. I think some regret will creep in now and then but that's just the nature of the beast. You just have to put it out of your mind and really appreciate what you have. After 2.5 years I still really look forward to getting into my Non-AP, large frunk, 80 amp charger car.
But I'm also looking forward to a fully loaded Model 3 with the new AP 2.0.�
Aug 11, 2016
Sir Guacamolaf I'd be happy if existing owners saw SOME improvement. Autopilot is awesome and all, but damn build a nice radio too.�
Aug 11, 2016
ModelNforNerd So I got a little defensive the other day, but then this came out.
Tesla Autopilot 2.0: next gen Autopilot powered by more radar, new triple camera, some equipment already in production
So I feel vindicated.�
Aug 11, 2016
Sir Guacamolaf Agree on the service station part. Repairs and service are proving to be the two weak points Tesla has.
.. speaking of continuous improvements, you're going to be so jealous of AP 3.0 in my future Model S2.�
Aug 11, 2016
twonius I heard it flies.�
Aug 11, 2016
Chopr147 Once I get my S I think I will be so happy that any regret will be just silly. If I waited for the best and latest I would still be in a Yukon for years�
Aug 11, 2016
twonius yeah this feels like the early days of smartphones.. Everyone's holding their breath for the next one,�
Aug 11, 2016
privater I knew this will happen soon, with Model 3 on reservation I leased the Model S recently.�
Aug 11, 2016
ShadowR55 I am not going to spend $110k and have an attitude of "No Regrets." To be honest, I would probably find a nice corner to cry in�
Aug 11, 2016
Bishop My wife and I have a little expertise in radars having helped design a few of them at Jhuapl there only seems to be on radar based on that schematic there's a radar/camera combo and 3 additional tripple cams now I don't know if those tripple cams have there own integrated radar but it looks like there using the cameras to assist the radar in target Id of the tracks the radar sees.. How I see an inherit design issue here as the radar is only going to able to track so many things at once and the cameras going to see more than the radar does and wiring is only going to allow so much bandwidth ... But hey maybe it's changed by now..�
Aug 11, 2016
electracity Um, consider the roadster battery upgrade. My Dad would say "That was more than my house!".
O.K. , but I want to hear from your wife too.�
Aug 11, 2016
Canuck Regret is a state of mind that is easily remedied. I had my car for the summer before AP hardware was added in Sept 2014. It was a great summer with my car, wife and kids (not necessarily in that order). The number of summers I have left in my life (and days) are winding down fast. I'm only 50 but still that leaves me with about maybe 25 good and healthy, being able to drive, summers left (knock wood). I hope it's 35 more. But the point is, even one day on this earth without my car is too long for me. While I have tinges of regret sometimes, I will never get that summer back with my car and it was a great one, and I wouldn't do anything differently.
As to resale value, get ready for the value of your vehicle to fall like a rock after you drive it off the lot, whether it be AP 1.0 or AP 2.0. I never look at a car as an investment. I look at my investments as investments.�
Aug 11, 2016
theslimshadyist At least it's a good sign if they start incorporating the housing, wiring, etc. so a retrofit can at least occur.�
Aug 11, 2016
ecarfan Right there with you! My situation is exactly the same.
Though I confess I will miss my huge frunk -- and the super cool auto extending door handles -- when I trade in my S for a Model 3. Nevertheless, my wife and I want a smaller car.
The reason the Roadster 3.0 battery is so expensive is well known: they are essentially built by hand and in very low volumes.
I predict that future versions of AP, even up to full autonomous driving, will cost essentially the same as the current version costs. The electrek.com article predicts that AP 2.0 will be 4 additional radars and two additional cameras: not a lot of extra cost in hardware.�
Aug 11, 2016
Canuck I'm also looking forward to a smaller car to zip around town in. But I'm keeping my S and our Leaf will go. My wife now drives our Leaf more than her BMW - at least when our kids are not driving it - and I just can't bring myself to part with my S.�
Aug 11, 2016
javawolfpack I can look closely when I take delivery of mine, likely on 8/13.�
Aug 11, 2016
Canuck Given that the author of the article posted in this thread that the housing is going into production, I doubt you'll see the actual hardware in two days, but it will be interesting to hear what you get...
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Aug 11, 2016
javawolfpack I'm doubtful too... honestly care more about the TACC feature of AP than anything else, which is why I didn't hold off on ordering until AP2.0 came out.�
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