Nov 29, 2012
CapitalistOppressor I agree, and lol'd at that. But in fairness, I buy the proposition that this price increase is really affecting folks who will finalize sales in 2013. Plus I seem to recall that their original announcement was that Model S would be ready in 2011. So counting 2 years of inflation isn't totally crazy.
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It's not just output. The batteries weight, and weight distribution are different. The suspension, handling and structure are all engineered around those values. Sure, you can switch the battery, but your handling would be sub-optimal.�
Nov 29, 2012
JRP3 Why do people pay for extended warranties when they don't make financial sense? Some people like insurance. Me, I'd take my chances.�
Nov 29, 2012
CapitalistOppressor The 85kWh price is ~$141/kWh. Even accounting for potential price drops, that's a fairly reasonable price. And if prices don't drop as much as expected, Tesla is gonna get reamed.
Edit: Besides, there is the OEM factor to consider. You will likely have a great deal of difficulty sourcing a battery through any vendor besides Tesla. If you don't prepay for your battery, they would be fully justified in charging an arbitrarily high cost for a new battery.�
Nov 29, 2012
stopcrazypp I think the biggest difference is supercharge support (it's likely not cheap to add it afterwards depending on how accessible the hardware for it is). But besides from that there shouldn't be too big a difficulty in upgrading to a larger pack.
Although in terms of pricing I can see that they might want to limit the 85kWh replacement pack to only 85kWh battery owners simply (or have different pricing for the other packs) simply because Tesla gets a smaller pack when they exchange your old battery for a new one (compared to getting a used 85kWh pack that probably has more than the 60kWh and 40kWh packs brand new). They do an exchange for the Roadster's agreement, so I suspect they will do the same for Model S.
It's only $12k for 85kWh because they get a valuable used pack in return that can be used for the SolarCity home energy storage program. That's how Tesla knows they will do fine with this pricing even if battery prices don't drop very quickly.�
Nov 29, 2012
Robert.Boston From Tesla's POV, $141/kWh in the pocket today is cheap money even if battery price don't drop much. Tesla's costs of funds from the equity market is at least 10%, which more than doubles the value of the $141 paid today, looking 8 years forward.�
Nov 29, 2012
brianman People thought I was nuts for spending (I think it was ... ) $2k for a warranty when I bought a used Jeep GC.
They changed their tune when 2 years later Jeep spend $6k replacing parts under the hood. I forget all the details, which is a nice benefit if it being their money not mine.�
Nov 29, 2012
strider Well, w/ industry-standard cells, if they try to gouge us then folks will set up shop to replace cells. There are folks who do Li-Ion EV conversions so there is knowledge out in the world. If they can do it cheaper than Tesla they will.
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But like Bonnie said, it's insurance. I paid $1,500 for the extended warranty on my Corvette and never used it. So if you have the money and it will help you sleep better at night then go for it. Otherwise, save your money and take it as it comes.�
Nov 29, 2012
Grendal If someone buys an aftermarket pack later on then there's no guarantee the replacement batteries will be good enough to allow the supercharger to properly charge them without damaging the individual cells if they aren't as good as the current Panasonic cells.
Just a thought...�
Nov 30, 2012
Zer0t When I put my deposit down I was told I would probably configure in the June/July timeframe of 2013. When I was notified of the price increase, and that I am not affected if I configure in a reasonable time, it also said I could be asked to configure between now and late January. Does that mean capacity at the factory is increasing at a great rate? I thought once you configure it was about 90 days till delivery? Curious I was expecting the car end of summer at earliest but sounds like mid-spring, which would be fine for me.�
Nov 30, 2012
bosgig Isn't one major issue with aftermarket battery replacement going to be the proprietary cooling technology? I'm guessing the entire unit would have to be replaced, not just individual cells, if you were to try to get the battery from another supplier. That pretty much would rule out it having the same cooling technology, and therefore probably the whole idea. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
P.S. Tesla if you're listening please provide us a path to upgrade to the then state-of-the-art battery in 8+ years!�
Nov 30, 2012
JRP3 You were nuts for buying a Jeep, notorious for poor build quality :wink: I've worked on a few of them. Seriously, you're better off buying quality products and never buying the extended warranty in the long run. Extended warranties are offered for one reason, the companies make money on them because they usually don't get used.�
Nov 30, 2012
bosgig I was following them back pre-IPO and saw them on their IPO roadshow, but honestly I couldn't remember for sure myself, so I looked up the S-1 for their IPO from January 2010. It states "We currently intend to begin volume production of the Model S in 2012 with a target annual production of up to approximately 20,000 cars per year." That doesn't mean that they weren't originally thinking 2011 before that, of course. At any rate, I'm splitting hairs (and again, not criticizing the price increase).�
Nov 30, 2012
dsm363 I believe they were originally planning on late 2011 for deliveries and that got pushed back to summer 2012 about 18 months ago. Not totally sure about the timing of all of this but it was 2011 for awhile.�
Nov 30, 2012
Enadler @Zer0t I am in the same boat you are however my take is they want to get all the configurations in earlier. By getting all the configurations in now they can better schedule their component deliveries as well as their production cycles. To the best of everyones knowledge no one expects Tesla to be at a run rate of better than 400 cars/ week anytime soon. That being said I think there is an opportunity to move up in the sequence by being ready to push the finalize button as soon as your email comes. The notification states that sequencing will now be based on when final configurations are made.�
Nov 30, 2012
KingKitega Just got the following email from Tesla Hong Kong.. Seems here reservation holders by year end will get a ~$2k deduction from the official prices! :smile:
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Dec 1, 2012
neroden Since all the evidence is that the batteries degenerate on an as-used or charge-cycle basis rather than a years-of-use basis, and I'm a low mileage driver, I don't expect to have any reason to replace my battery whatsoever. So there's that. The battery replacement insurance would make more sense for a high-mileage driver who expects to be burning his pack out repeatedly by driving 300 miles a day or more.�
Dec 1, 2012
Robert.Boston I believe that the battery experts on these boards have stated that both calendar time and cycles contribute to battery degeneration. Cycling is worse, I believe.�
Dec 1, 2012
JRP3 Cycling is certainly more of a factor. Just ask Hansorg VonGemingen (sp?)�
Dec 1, 2012
STxTesla Model S Price Hike $2500
PC Magazine reports that the Model S price hike is going to be $2500. I don't know if it has been posted anywhere...I just read the article.
The link:
Telsa Model S Price Bump Gets Official: $2,500 | News & Opinion | PCMag.com
Ah...just saw that George B wrote about the price increase in his Blog at Tesla's website.�
Dec 2, 2012
Iz Assuming battery advancements are made, these configurations should be somewhat obsolete in 8-years with the exception of 85kWh.�
Dec 2, 2012
jerry33 It has been, but there are some perks. Heated 12-way seats are now included on all vehicles so if you were only getting leather for the heated seats (like me) then the increase is really only $1000. Not really enough to worry about.�
Dec 2, 2012
kevincwelch For current reservation holders who have already received their "It's Time to Build" emails as well as their notifications of up and coming price changes emails, has anyone actually received an email yet that states you have the supposed 3 weeks to order your MS before the price increase?�
Dec 3, 2012
bosgig @kevincwelch--got mine late this morning. Turns out the new period isn't three weeks, it's "by December 31, 2012". I don't know if the timing of my original email plays into this or not, or if others are getting three weeks or year-end like me.�
Dec 3, 2012
clea mine came in today as well and it also stated December 31 as the deadline.�
Dec 3, 2012
kevincwelch December 31st is D-Day for me as well. Got mine this AM.
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Dec 3, 2012
jomo25 Interesting. Im P4398 and I haven't gotten any email yet. The last email I got said my "second finalize email" will come in a month or 2, then I'll have 3 weeks from that point.�
Dec 3, 2012
clea Oops, I missed the part where you were trying to get info on the D-Day dates for the second Finalize emails ... perhaps my post was misleading. The D-Day date I was given came with my initial It's Time to Finalize email that i received today.�
Dec 3, 2012
kevincwelch Clea-Maybe because you are Canadian there is a difference. I received my second email (the follow-up email) that stated I had until Dec 31st to finalize my Model S before being subjected to the price increase.
On another note, I wonder what would happen if you finalize by don't sign your MVPA.�
Dec 3, 2012
clea uhhh ... i think i'll leave that to someone else to find out for us.�
Dec 3, 2012
kevincwelch Come on. Everyone is doing it.
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Dec 6, 2012
Zer0t I'm curious because once you configure your deposit becomes binding, you will forfeit if you don't buy, so I'm thinking they can't sit on a binding deposit for 6 or 8 months. Although I fully intend to go through the purchase I currently have an option that costing me the interest on 5k over a year. That's legitimately pennies for the option so why not take it. I don't think it's good policy to convert the deposits so far in advance--although it would possibly make the waiting list a bit shorter.�
Dec 9, 2012
UMD86 I met a couple in the Short Hills Mall with a 9K Res # and they confirmed their configuration last week. They're expecting delivery Feb/Mar timeframe. So it's very possible to receive it in late spring/early summer. I was told they are close to making 400 p/w so it should not take long.�
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