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Coated windshield impacting door openers and EZpass part 1

  • Oct 17, 2012
    cinergi
    I think you may be right. The garage door opener I have to use for the common garage I park at home in doesn't work through the windshield. I've often been able to get it to work in that same area you mention ... but sometimes I just have to roll my window down in order to get it to work :frown:
    I haven't tried EasyPass yet as I don't have my license plates yet ...
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  • Oct 18, 2012
    Soflauthor
    My handheld garage door unit absolutely does NOT transmit through the windshield, but it works fine through the side windows.

    Not sure of the software version, but it was updated last Sunday, so I'm assuming it's the most recent version. It's a unique warning sound (sort of "bing-bong" repeated until you correct) and occurs when the car is moving slowly with one foot on the accel and another on the brake.
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  • Oct 18, 2012
    donauker
    EasyPass works perfectly right below the mirror mount.

    Doesn't work on either side. Wonder what they do about that when you have no plate? :eek:
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  • Oct 18, 2012
    pguerra
    If the windshield is shielded and since the Model S ineloquently does not have power folding mirrors and yet costs 100 thousand ridiculous dollars, my solution to open the garage door with my remote will be to 1) roll down the window, 2) stick my hand out with the remote and push the button, and 3) pull in the driver's side view mirror so I can park into my garage.

    Isn't this supposed to be a "high-tech" car? It's honestly almost laughable.
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  • Oct 18, 2012
    Brandonm
    Why would you use your remote instead of Homelink?
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  • Oct 18, 2012
    contaygious
    Can anyone confirm that ez pass works by holding it up in front of left side of windshield? What about the frunk? I don't mount mine. Thx
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  • Oct 18, 2012
    donauker
    I can confirm that it will NOT work anywhere on the left side of the windshield. It will also not work left or right of the rear view mirror mount. It will work right below the mirror mount.
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  • Oct 18, 2012
    contaygious
    Dang it :( why would they do this? Anyone willing to try the frunk?
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  • Oct 18, 2012
    Robert.Boston
    Just hold it up with your right hand, directly below the rear-view mirror. You'll be keeping the EZPass in the little cubby beneath the touchscreen, so that'll be easy.
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  • Oct 18, 2012
    EarlyAdopter
    Coated windshields are a common feature on Mercedes. It's a low-e metallic coating that reflects heat. In the summer that keeps the heat out, and in the winter it helps keep the heat in.
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  • Oct 18, 2012
    hj-45
  • Oct 18, 2012
    mknox
    Maybe he's not getting the Tech Package???
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  • Oct 18, 2012
    TEG
    I know we had some previous discussions on the forum about this with regards to Roadsters that have the coated windshield.

    Anyways, here is some related info:
    E-ZPass New Jersey - Vehicles Requiring Exterior Tags
    ez pass | Audi A8 | Autos Audis

    Solar Coated Windshield - 5Series.net - Forums
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  • Oct 18, 2012
    kevincwelch
    P gotta Sig. I assume the tech package comes with Sig series, no?

    But on the other side of things, this is ridiculous. Did anyone actually test these cars our just design the engine and start selling them?

    Get out of car to fold mirrors.
    Roll down windows to use EZ Pass
    Roll down windows to use garage door opener.
    If homelink doesn't work, try 100 times to get it recognized, otherwise, use roll down window technique.
    Ship incomplete car; install child seats for "most precious cargo" later
    Cubby later
    Blurry windshield causing some to get nauseated
    Squeaky sun roof
    Unraveling B pillar leather
    Wipers too slow
    Handles get stuck in cold weather
    Glove box holds max of one wooden pencil and one business envelope
    Still two cup holders, four if you get child seats (see above)
    Rely on innovative Tesla customer to design and sell cup holder and storage device for luxury priced car
    No "Oh ****" handles
    Get sunroof so head doesn't touch roof in back
    defroster?
    Windshield vent?

    Best. Car. Ever!
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  • Oct 18, 2012
    kevincwelch
    Sorry...
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  • Oct 18, 2012
    NigelM
    Yup, that's quite a list of #firstworldproblems
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  • Oct 18, 2012
    kevincwelch
    Maybe I should have included the meme.

    Are you fine with these basic problems?
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  • Oct 18, 2012
    Brandonm
    Good point, I had assumed everyone was :)
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  • Oct 18, 2012
    NigelM
    No, although I don't regard many of them as basic but then I'm used to a rattling, squeaky Roadster with no storage space, no cup holders, in fact most of the items on that list apply to the Roadster, that is still the most fun car I've ever driven bar none!

    BTW, as TEG points out above the Roadster also has the coated windshield but I never experienced any problems with handheld garage door openers.
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  • Oct 18, 2012
    Norbert
    What's wrong with using the spot below the mirror?
    Why does this thread consist of 50% posts that keep saying the spot below the mirror does work, and the other 50% keep blissfully ignoring that?
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  • Oct 18, 2012
    TEG
    I think not all do. It was optional.

    http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/5355-Optional-Upgrades-Review?p=90297&viewfull=1#post90297
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  • Oct 18, 2012
    vfx
  • Oct 18, 2012
    donauker
    Agreed, I have no problem with this. I have never mounted my EzPass due to infrequent use and multiple vehicles and I have no problem placing the unit as needed. Doubt I would even need to look anymore to place it properly.


    Yes it was an option, at least on the 08 but I believe it is a different coating. I did have this option and never had any real problem with the EzPass in any location whereas in the S it will definitely not read even when slowing to a crawl if it is not in the correct spot.
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  • Oct 18, 2012
    TEG
  • Oct 18, 2012
    cinergi
    Heh, you OK over there? :smile:

    I've got quite the list of things going that I'm sharing with the ownership and service teams. All minor -- to me at least. And that includes some of the items you mention. However, the car itself is just SO AWESOME that it trumps these things. I practically don't care about them. I LOVE the car and how it drives. That's the most important thing to me. Everything else is just nit-picking to me. (to be clear, I feel like *I* would be nit-picking ... I'm not saying your or anyone else here is nit-picking)
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  • Oct 18, 2012
    bonnie
    I think people are missing this part - thanks for repeating. I don't think there is a single car on the market that could withstand this level of scrutiny and not have a list of issues. But there is no other car on the market that will provide the thrill. Driving electric makes you feel like a kid again.
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  • Oct 18, 2012
    Norbert
    I was kind of looking for a way to say that...

    Sounds like the best car ever. :)
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  • Oct 18, 2012
    kevincwelch
    I just need some Tylenol.
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  • Oct 18, 2012
    Jaff
    Agreed Bonnie...folks need to experience the thrill of driving electric for a few weeks before going off on tangents...I think that most would feel exactly as cinergi posted..."...a thrill to drive" and "...problems are minor."

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  • Oct 18, 2012
    cinergi
    Here ya go :smile:
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    Sorry, couldn't resist. I empathize with everyone here who's feeling let down, irritated, etc. Because I was really beginning to lose it. And I haven't even shared everything that I went through. I'm much happier now that I have the car. I have battle-wounds ... and I'm in constant contact with a few Tesla folks who directly control and influence training, the delivery process, post-delivery ownership experiences, etc. And they're taking my feedback to heart. And it's because I'm having a very open, painful, but constructive conversation with them. Now, some of this is probably because I owned a Roadster and have previous contacts inside Tesla. Some of what I've had has been the result of (what I think was) a well-worded long email to George with the sole purpose of informing him of what I went through so 1) he would be aware and 2) would have the details he needed to improve the process. I didn't ask for anything, I didn't flame anyone, etc. It was all a "I know you're trying and care deeply, but this XYZ blah blah stuff I went through sucks, and I wanted you to know. Let me know if I can be of further assistance."
    Anyway, veering off topic here ...
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  • Oct 18, 2012
    KBF
    And I for one am grateful that you are doing that, cinergi! Open, honest, and careful communication with constructive criticism will only make Tesla better, and for many of us conflict is too often avoided. Conflict in itself is not bad, it's the way one acts during conflict that makes a difference. Since many of us do not have contacts we need people like you to represent us customers (and, ahem, put in a word for us info-starved Canucks, eh? :biggrin:)

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  • Oct 19, 2012
    clea
    +1000
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  • Oct 22, 2012
    unclfuzzy
    Yup, if you need to fold in the passenger mirror, you gotta get out or ask your passenger to do it
    Nope, works fine in the area of the windshield clearly marked for this, and a plate mounted transponder works great and protects you just a tiny bit from bumper scratches
    Didn't take quite 100 times for me.
    AFAIK the LATCH system is intact for your most precious cargo's seats. The rear facing seats are on backorder, just like the hatch covers. Big deal. If you'd rather not have your car until those are ready, I'm sure they'll sit on it at the factory for a few more weeks
    see above
    make "some" "one." There is a small band of distortion at the bottom edge. You can see the hood through it. I don't look there, so don't notice it. Others have noted many cars have this
    again, one, AFAIK
    speculation
    subjective
    ? 1st I've heard
    glove box is actually quite large. Obviously doesn't make up for a big cavernous center console. between the cubby, seat pocket, and glove box I seem to have room for just about everything for now. Am looking forward to the CCI options when they become available from Tesla, Soflauthor, and other 3rd party options
    trade-offs. design decisions. Way more head room than my Beetle had in the back, lowest CoE...
    both there, work great
    Yup, there I agree. Is everything exactly the way I would have done it? Maybe not. Is there any car I don't have some gripe or another with? Nope. Is the Model S still the greatest car I have ever driven / owned? Yup.
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  • Oct 22, 2012
    ElSupreme
    You cant fold your mirror in by rolling down the window? You have to get out?

    All my cars (with folding mirrors, manual or automatic) I could roll down the window and fold the driver's side in very easily. Is that not the case with the Model S.

    I didn't try it on my test drive, but it seemed to be reachable from the driver's seat.
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  • Oct 22, 2012
    Robert.Boston
    Depends how long your arms are. :)
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  • Oct 25, 2012
    rcc
    First off: thank you all for being early adopters. I'm fairly early (expecting Dec/Jan delivery) but I suspect my car will have fewer problems thanks to you all.

    Second, as a long-time BMW owner:
    sounds just like BMW.
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  • Oct 25, 2012
    dsm363
    This is the best car I've ever owned without a doubt. Granted, I've never owned anything nicer than a Volvo S80 (in terms of a sedan) though. Things have not rolled out smoothly as I'd have liked but they are working around the clock. I received two e-mails last night from Tesla after 11PM and when I replied, they responded back. They are basically working around the clock.

    I could make a list like that for almost any car. Homelink worked fine for me. No squeaky pano roof. Have you seen the glove compartment? You're describing the Roadster's glovebox, not the Model S. It is fairly big and can fit the manuals, sunglasses in a case...etc

    You've got great people up there in Chicago to take care of you when you get your car. Most of these issues you've listed should be addressed by the time you get your car anyway. It's the people up front who are dealing with most of these.
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  • Oct 25, 2012
    Bifff67
    Just to add again for the EZ Pass: I went to the local EZ Pass place and indeed it fails through the glass but he said try it up in the black paint to the right of the mirror and it works. I have it mounted right up against the plastic mount on the right of the mirror mount and up against the top of the windshield frame and works great.
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  • Oct 25, 2012
    dsm363
    I put mine directly below the mirror as they said. Can you take a picture of the location you got it to work? I assume I'll have to order a replacement since you can't peel them off easily. Thanks.
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  • Oct 26, 2012
    stevezzzz
  • Oct 26, 2012
    dsm363
  • Oct 26, 2012
    contaygious
    Anyone tried sticking it into the frunk?
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  • Oct 27, 2012
    Ceilidh
    I have a related question with a possible different solution to this issue.

    I live in the SF Bay area and we have FasTrak but both FasTrak and EZ Pass have an option for in-car windshield mount or external front license units.

    I have always thought that those plastic squares were hideously ugly inside the car, and from outside the car you can see the adhesive strips through the glass which is even uglier IMHO. In fact, this bothers me much more than the external stickers that let you drive in the HOV lanes as a single occupant, but that's just my perception.

    Anyway, I was surfing the web looking for another solution to this problem as the way I want to mount my front license the transponder wont really work in that location for me. I also don't want to uglify the windshield or deal with the placement issues everyone here has been discussing.

    I found a Jeep forum where someone had taken the external unit and mounted it with plastic zip ties to some interior framing under a plastic panel at the front bumper. This made it invisible which is nice because people won't be tempted to steal it if they can't see it.

    This got me thinking about the black plastic front bumper piece on the Model S. Does anybody know what is behind it? Is there a place where one could zip tie an external transponder in that location? Seems like it would be the perfect solution to this issue if it worked.

    If anyone has any knowledge about this let us all know.

    Cheers.
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  • Oct 27, 2012
    markwj
    The equivalent here works in the frunk of the roadster, but that is through the carbon fibre bonnet (aluminum on the Model S).
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  • Oct 27, 2012
    strider
    Yes, I did this in my Corvette. I posted in another thread, maybe soflauthor's?. It should work assuming we can get access to the plastic nose cone.
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  • Oct 27, 2012
    teslasuperfan
    I was told there is a small access panel on the black nose cone. It is to the right of the chrome Tesla T badge. The panel is nicely camouflaged and not easily visible, but it is there. You can pry it out with a flat head screw driver. Maybe this is a good place to mount RFID devices?
    Any owners want to confirm?
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  • Oct 28, 2012
    MikeK
  • Oct 29, 2012
    SUN-day Driver
    I have a radar detector I mount in my old car just above the dash to the left of the driver. Will the windshield coating prevent it from detecting radar (K, KA and LASER), or receiving GPS (it warns when approaching the coordinates of a red light camera in its database) in the Model S? If anyone has used a radar detector with the Model S I'm very interested to hear if the windshield coating caused any problem. On a related note to the radar detector, I have it hardwired into an internal fuse box in my old car (at the end of the dash, with access facing the driver's side door). Is there an interior fuse box in the Model S? If they published a user manual I'd be able to find out...
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  • Oct 29, 2012
    JAG
    There is a 12 volt battery for accessories so you should be able to tap into that for your radar. I have a Valentine V1 and am also concerned about the transmission through the glass as Valentine says certain coatings lessen the warning range. I was thinking I might have to try and fit it where the transponder is and fit the transponder somewhere else. I test drove the Model S performance with my Valentine V1 and it gave a few falses...mostly mounted low on windshield. So some signal certainly is getting through but I don't know if all of it is getting through. As for red light cams.. I do not have that feature but use the app WAZE on my iPhone to warn of visible police and red light cams... But these reports are made by other "WAZERS" like myself and hence don't work well on empty roadways.
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  • Oct 30, 2012
    v12 to 12v
    There is some discussion about radar detectors here: Valentine One radar detector installation
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  • Oct 31, 2012
    SUN-day Driver
    Thanks, that thread is helpful.

    Is it only the front windshield that has this coating? If so I think the radar detector would still be useful for when the radar source is to the side (even slightly) or behind the car. And if the source is directly in front, some signal would probably get in from bouncing around the surroundings. My Escort seems very sensitive to even the faintest bit of signal.
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  • Nov 1, 2012
    dsm363
    Could someone post a picture of where exactly they placed their EZpass (or TxTag) on the windshield and if they have confirmed it works? I understand to the right of the rearview mirror in the black coated area is the place (to the right if you are sitting in the driver's seat). Thanks.
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  • Nov 1, 2012
    donauker
    I witnessed two different EZPasses in two Model Ss not working in the black area to the right of the mirror. They do work perfectly right below the mirror mount though.
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  • Nov 1, 2012
    dsm363
    Thanks. I just deactivated the TxTag I have installed in that exact spot with the plans to install the new one I have to the right of the mirror. I'll put the new one in the same place and try it out this weekend.
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  • Nov 1, 2012
    cinergi
    I used mine the last couple days in the black area to the right of the mirror no issues. I'll try to remember to take a photo and mark it up to show you where.
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  • Nov 5, 2012
    stevezzzz
    I mounted my passive ExpressToll sticker tag in the black area to the right of the mirror mount and it works fine.
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  • Nov 26, 2012
    Charged_Up
    Toll Windshield Transponders

    Has anyone been able to use a SunPass (FL), Easypass (Northeast) or similar transponder with success? I can't seem to find the right place in the window that allows mine to work. If anyone has had success, can they post a quick picture here of the location? Thanks in advance...Keith
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  • Nov 26, 2012
    unclfuzzy
    I don't have a way to post a pic right now, but there is a clear visual difference to the right of the rear-view mirror mount. EZ-Pass worked for me when held in that space. I ended up getting a license plate mounted transponder so didn't mount it there permanently.
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  • Nov 26, 2012
    mkertzman
    I tried two different Bay Area FasTrak transponders in two locations - in the black area to the right of the mirror and directly under the mirror mount and it didn't work in either location with either transponder on FasTrak lanes on the Golden Gate Bridge. I consulted Tesla Ownership Experience and was advised that I should consider an external mount (on top of the front license plate). Since I had already gotten the front license plate bracket, I did get an external transponder and it works fine, although it does nothing to increase the attractiveness of the front license plate! I have no idea why the windshield locations seems to work for some cars and not for others....

    Mitchell
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  • Nov 26, 2012
    cinergi
    I place my EZPass transponder here ...

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  • Nov 27, 2012
    contaygious
    I have no front bracket so that doesn't sound good. I'm suprised a car made in the Bay Area wouldn't support a Bay Area toll transponder. Can someone please comment if they are able to get theirs working behind the glass somehow?
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  • Nov 29, 2012
    RichardM
    I have had similar experience. On the Dulles Toll Road in Nothern VA, my EZPass transponder doesn't work when mounted to the right or to the left of the rear view mirror. I haven't tried it below the mirror. Works fine when I open the sunroof and hold it up!
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  • Dec 6, 2012
    aviators99
    Currently, this is the only problem I have with the car that is a serious problem for me. I have two transponders, one for the tolls here, and one for the community where I live. Neither of them is working at the spot discussed in this thread. Here in Florida we do not have front license plates, and even if we did, it wouldn't work because we also have "Express lanes" where you pay using a transponder to use them -- unless you are driving an EV, in which case it is free. If the transponder is there, you will be charged, whether you are supposed to be or not. So mounting it out of disabling reach will not work (or will cost more). This thread has been quiet for a while. Any new successes????
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  • Dec 6, 2012
    steve841
    I've had sporadic success holding my sunpass on the backside of the mirror.. Not against the glass, but the mirror itself. Got to be a sweet spot there about....
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  • Dec 6, 2012
    napabill
    In that case it reverts from EasyPass to FreePass.
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  • Dec 9, 2012
    robaross
    If my windshield is broken by a stone and needs to be replaced, do I need to contact Tesla service or could I use a mobile service like Autoglass USA, and if so perhaps the glass won't be coated and Sunpass, gate openers, and radar detectors will then work?
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  • Dec 9, 2012
    jerry33
    They'd have to have the exact glass shape and my guess is that they won't have Tesla's so they would have to order the windshield from Tesla.
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  • Dec 9, 2012
    contaygious
    Update: I drove through golden gate 3 times and bay bridge once and it worked fine by holding the fast pass behind the mirror and to the right. No issues because I have long arms.
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  • Dec 9, 2012
    strider
    +1 Drove from the Factory across 92 today and holding the FastTrak transponder on the dots to the right of the mirror worked fine. I don't have long arms (physically average) and it worked just fine. Wife hasn't tried it yet. May just stick it to the windshield in that spot w/ the velcro and she can remove it if needed during commute time.
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  • Dec 11, 2012
    Electric Machete
    Express Lanes are free for EVs in Florida? I thought we could just drive the HOV lane.

    Which SunPass style were you using? I have the RF kind that is just a sticker. Same but smaller kind for my development. Nothing that uses a battery.
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  • Dec 11, 2012
    aviators99
    I have tried both the very old kind that takes a battery, and the newer (Sunpass Plus) that doesn't take a battery but is removable. Yes, the Express Lanes are free for EVs, so the sticker doesn't work for me. I have tried everything, at this point. I now need to try my Sunpasses in someone else's car, to prove or disprove that it's a bad windshield.
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  • Dec 12, 2012
    radinator
    I was wondering if putting the transponder in the trunk would work. Maybe velcro it to the parcel shelf or somewhere else in the trunk area?
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  • Dec 13, 2012
    steve841
    Well, FWIW, I spent some time on the highway today in Florida ... and this position has been the best success I've had using our SunPass.

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  • Dec 13, 2012
    dsm363
    I installed my EZpass (Texas) exactly below the mirror where it is supposed to be and it didn't work. They used my plate instead.
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  • Dec 13, 2012
    aviators99
    Hard to tell what you're doing in this picture. Are you pressing the SunPass against the back of the mirror or against the windshield?
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  • Dec 13, 2012
    timdorr
    I know it's a bit chilly out at the moment and this may seem a bit silly, but what about opening up the pano roof and holding it up in the open space?
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  • Dec 14, 2012
    Electric Machete
    Has anyone found success using RFID type passes? In Florida, SunPass has three varieties. Two that require batteries and one that is a passive RFID sticker. When I lived up North EZ Pass was a battery powered unit, but I am wondering if they have progressed to passive RFID as well.

    - - - Updated - - -

    It rains just about every day in the Summer here in Florida. No way is this an option for me. I prefer to remain dry while driving.
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  • Dec 14, 2012
    steve841
    It's just against the back of the mirror and pushed up resting against the mirror mounting bracket.

    No windshield contact at all.
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  • Dec 14, 2012
    Electric Machete
    Ugh. That's annoying. I just want to stick the SunPass Mini to the glass and be done with it. Have you tried one of those yet?
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  • Dec 14, 2012
    steve841
    My OCD with my vehicle prevents me from sticking anything to the windows .... that SunPass stays hidden any other time.
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  • Dec 14, 2012
    PattyChuck
    Anyone here try mounting it behind the plastic panel on the nose cone?
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  • Dec 14, 2012
    strider
    So looking at Steve841's picture... my car is different. Can't take a pic at the moment as the S is the wife's daily driver and she's at work but in our car to the right of the mirror there are just black dots. It's not solid black like in Steve's picture. Our Fastrak (uses batteries) works just fine in that area (I hold it up against the windshield). Obviously Tesla changed something and maybe the dots allow more signal through?

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    I think sublimaze1 is going to try it this weekend - he's posting in the Sig vs GP Nosecone thread.
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  • Dec 14, 2012
    PattyChuck
    Thanks! So. Many. Threads.
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  • Dec 15, 2012
    aviators99
    Mine has the dots and nothing works there at all (have tried 3 different ones).
    Also tried Steve841's method yesterday, with no success.
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  • Dec 16, 2012
    Electric Machete
    I have the SunPass mini in my current car and from the driver's seat, I cannot see it since it is placed just lateral to the rear view mirror stalk. Plus the Mini will not work after it is removed. Great for security, not so great since I might have to try it out in different locations to find the sweet spot. My development also uses an RFID chip on a tiny sticker to get me through the gate. Ahhhh, the burbs.

    Has anyone in Florida tried the SunPass Mini yet?
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  • Dec 16, 2012
    ChadS
    In the Seattle area we have a "Good To Go" pass that uses RFID. I stuck it where they recommend; on the windshield a couple of inches below the rear-view mirror. It works fine.
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  • Dec 18, 2012
    epley
    Doesn't work for us in Washington State, either. I hate the ugly license plate bracket mounts. I'm going to try the motorcycle headlamp version.

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    Weird because it doesn't work for me or another local...
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  • Dec 18, 2012
    Electric Machete
    Thanks for that info. It is beginning to appear that the windshields seem to vary from car to car. Some people are having success and others not.

    You said it is a few inches below the mirror. I thought Tesla recommended it lateral to the stalk toward the passenger side.
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  • Dec 18, 2012
    ChadS
    I meant I put it where GoodToGo recommends you put it. In the center of the windshield, two inches below the mirror mount. It has worked fine for us so far.

    But, my wife hasn't taken the car to Seattle very many times. Given epley's report, I'll have to keep an eye on the GoodToGo reports to make sure they keep detecting it.
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  • Dec 18, 2012
    ElSupreme
    I don't know about where you live but camera based plate readers are typically more reliable than the RFID tags. In Atlanta they are using camera based plate readers as the primary method, and RFID tag reads as a secondary method of determining your car.

    They stopped giving out powered RFID tags when they did this and moved to the sticker passive variety. They use the same technology as Texas's EZ Pass, but they are not running on compatible systems.
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  • Dec 19, 2012
    Electric Machete
    In Florida they will use the license plate as a backup in case they miss the RFID tag. My main concern is toll booths that have an automatic gate that should go up if it detects the SunPass. These are becoming fewer as time goes on, but for now I still have to deal with them occasionally.
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  • Dec 19, 2012
    tdelta1000
  • Dec 19, 2012
    Electric Machete
    I might use that option to mount my development's RFID gate pass if I find it doesn't work on the windshield.

    However in Florida, I am eligible to use the HOV lane as well as 95 Express. 95 Express is two lanes that require a fee to use it unless you are a registered carpool or hybrid/electric vehicle. In the case of the Model S, I would need to shield my RFID tag/SunPass as I pass through to avoid being charged, so I need access to the pass. Once the pass is shielded they record the plate and I will be in the database as an electric vehicle, thus won't be charged for using the lanes. It's a convoluted process no doubt, but that's Florida.
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  • Dec 21, 2012
    Charged_Up
    For what it's worth, I finally found a place that the SunPass (in Florida) worked - at least a couple of times. It is right below the mirror mound (directly below the center) with the pass just into the clear part of the windshield below the black part of the mirror mount.

    Regards... Keith
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  • Dec 21, 2012
    aviators99
    Are you saying that the whole pass is in the clear part, or just a piece of it is in the clear part? Also, can you describe the orientation of the SunPass (and which type you are using)?
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  • Dec 21, 2012
    steve841
    He's describing pretty much the pic I previously posted....
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  • Dec 21, 2012
    aviators99
    I'm not sure that's what he's describing. Your picture is off the windshield, and it's not clear from his description whether his is or not. Also, he didn't describe which SunPass he is using. In any case, I have matched your picture several times and gotten nothing. I'm trying to figure out whether or not I have a defective windshield or not.
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  • Dec 21, 2012
    Charged_Up
    I'll try to get you a picture tomorrow...
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  • Dec 31, 2012
    Bifff67
    So a few months ago I found that the the black spot area beside the mirror worked well for the VA EZ Pass. Then I cracked the windshield and had it replaced. That spot no longer works. Testing done at the VDOT location in Herndon. So correct, some windshields do and some don't. In re-reading the thread, I never tried the area below the mirror, will try that sometime.
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  • Dec 31, 2012
    Charged_Up
    Here's the location from the inside - worked three out of four times last week.... photo of sunpass 2.jpg
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  • Jan 1, 2013
    Robert.Boston
    Another data point: my EZPass has been working without issue mounted on the dotted area to the right of the rear-view mirror attachment point. I did, however, have to get a fresh EZPass transponder, as the battery in my old one was too weak.
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  • Jan 15, 2013
    CarlE_P439
    EZ Pass?

    I was just looking at the EZ Pass webpage in order to change the make/model of my car. And guess what? No Tesla!?!? There is the option of "Other" which seems really lame. Anyone else find Tesla as an option?
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  • Jan 15, 2013
    kinddog
    yea i was just looking thru Virginia's "Clean Special Fuel" plates so i can use the I-66 HOV lanes.... there's the Tesla Roadster, but no Model S.
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  • Jan 16, 2013
    Edward D
    The only thing I want in the Tech Package is Homelink. Is there any way to get Homelink without the Tech Package?
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  • Jan 16, 2013
    spatterso911
  • Jan 16, 2013
    NJS1207
    I used "other" when registering the Model S with EZ Pass in New Jersey. Definitely lame, but I don't see any way it will impact the service. I give them 12 months to figure it out. Anyone interested in the under?
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  • Jan 16, 2013
    Tempus
    can't use it on the I-66 HOV lanes anymore anyway. Unless you have one of those OLDER plates that was grandfathered in.
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  • Jan 16, 2013
    kinddog
    yea... have that old tag on my Prius now... would like to transfer that tag to the Model S when i get it...
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  • Jan 16, 2013
    aviators99
    Finally solved my problem. Florida has come out with a new form factor of Sunpass, called "SunPass Slim". It is approximately 5" x 1". It works on my windshield if mounted directly below the center of the mirror mount. None of the others worked in that spot (or anywhere else, for me).

    eGoSunPassPortableSlim-a.jpg
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  • Jan 18, 2013
    tdelta1000
    Hey aviators99,

    Do you think that the new SunPass has better electronics which explains why it's a better solution?
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  • Jan 18, 2013
    aviators99
    Well, I think I spoke too soon. It's only working about 50% of the time, unfortunately. It just happened that it worked at the first two places, so I jumped to a conclusion. I will try a few more different places.
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  • Jan 19, 2013
    steve841
    Quit worrying about it ... Just make sure your tag is up to date on Sunpass and they will charge your account automatically with no fees.
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  • Jan 19, 2013
    retinadoc
    For those in NY/NJ look under Green Tag. Model S is listed and we even gat a discount.
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  • Jan 19, 2013
    ahimberg
    I was just looking at the Good To Go info for WA's pass info, they have some customer centers you can go to and test if you pass is in a working location. But they also have a PDF that tells you if your windshield is metalized and you should get the license plate mounted tag instead. The PDF says license plate tag is required, and they list the model X :)

    http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/NR/rdonlyres/77735B79-209C-4975-8FB5-69DC1B35C1B2/0/Metallized_Windshield_List_2013.pdf
    Tesla
    Model S All Metallized Windshield LPP Required. Windshield prevents use of Standard Pass
    Model X All Metallized Windshield LPP Required. Windshield prevents use of Standard Pass
    Roadster All Metallized Windshield LPP Required. Windshield prevents use of Standard Pass

    guess I need a different pass type. The other question is what to do until license plates arrive since the pass mounts on the plate instead of the windshield... free tolls for a awhile? -- nevermind, see the directions are it mounts using the screw holes for the plate so no plate required to install.
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  • Jan 19, 2013
    Jcmason
    @Retinadoc Thanks for the tip, but I can't seem to find Green Tag on the E-Z Pass site. Could you provide a link please? Thanks.
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  • Jan 19, 2013
    wshepherd
  • Jan 20, 2013
    Electric Machete
    There could still be an issue when trying to go through a sunpass toll plaza that has a gate. These are fewer and fewer these days but they still exist.
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  • Jan 21, 2013
    gg_got_a_tesla
    My FasTrak transponder didn't work yesterday through the 92 toll plaza when placed in the exact same spot. Don't know how they'll track down this violation given that there are no plates yet on the car... Can their cameras zoom in and capture the tiny temporary registration sticker or the VIN number, I wonder?! :)

    Not sure what I can do different through the carpool lane of the 84 Dumbarton toll plaza tomorrow morning short of sticking my hand out through the window (no pano roof) - crossing this bridge through the carpool lane is my daily ritual. Maybe, under the mirror mount instead of to the right?!

    I may just have to bite the bullet and order and mount that fugly front license plate transponder. Yuck!
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  • Jan 21, 2013
    William13
    I use it successfully straight under the rear view mirror mount cheating to the passenger side of center.

    I think manufacturing tolerances vary in different cars.
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  • Jan 21, 2013
    shokunin
    I intend to remove the nose cone and somehow secure the license transponder within that area. Assuming it works should be a win win. No white square transponder velcroed to the windshield. Too bad they can't make some kind of transponder for the hov lanes instead of the stickers
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