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Model S Specifications, Teases and Leaks part 3

  • Feb 12, 2009
    TEG
    Doug, that wheel doesn't look the same. That looks like a 2 or 3 piece wheel, but the 'Model S' prototype looks like a 1 piece.
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  • Feb 12, 2009
    doug
    I never said it was the same.
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  • Feb 12, 2009
    stopcrazypp
    They are Lorinser Wheels. They are R8 wheels (basically the single piece version) instead of the LM6 wheels posted.
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  • Feb 12, 2009
    TEG
    OK, there you go. Glad I didn't start searching on my own.
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  • Feb 20, 2009
    Palpatine
    New Model S picture

    http://peakoilgarage.com/2009/02/20/new-update-from-tesla-motors-on-the-model-s/

    I just got an email from Tesla Motors and it contained this sneak preview picture of the Model S.

    Due to the overwhelmingly positive response from customers since we provided a teaser photo last week, we decided to offer a special opportunity to you � the early adopters of the Roadster. You have been instrumental in our early success, and we appreciate your continued passion and belief in Tesla�s vision.

    Instead of waiting until March 26 to reserve a Model S Signature Series, you may reserve one now for a $40,000 refundable reservation fee. There will be 1000 Signature Series sedans each for US and Europe delivery. As with the Roadster Signature Series, your vehicle production number is a function of when the reservation payment is received.

    At the launch party, we�ll open reservations for the Model S Signature Series and the regular Model S sedans to everyone. According to our current production plan, only the Signature series is expected to be delivered in 2011, with regular production starting in 2012. Roadster owners will receive a $10,000 discount off the final sales price of the Signature Series Model S.

    Please call us at 650-413-6300 or email us at [email�protected] for details and a reservation agreement. The Model S aspires to become the automotive icon of the 21st century � a gorgeous yet practical electric vehicle that will liberate even more drivers from oil addiction.

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  • Feb 20, 2009
    Laurent
    Here's what Photoshop reveals:

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  • Feb 20, 2009
    Kevin Harney
    That makes it look like there is a VERY large sunroof or Glass roof. Also a very large rear window :smile:
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  • Feb 20, 2009
    stopcrazypp
    That effectively ends the argument over whether it is a station wagon, lol.

    The styling is very much like the Rapide. A closer look should tell how much rear head room it has (the main issue with these coupe-like sedan/hatchbacks).
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  • Feb 20, 2009
    doug
  • Feb 21, 2009
    dpeilow
    A slightly less extreme (and blocky) version of Laurent's lightening:

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    Also, this variation shows they did something a bit strange to the windscreen/windshield:

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    But other than that - it's not a wagon. Woohoo! (cue Homer Simpson style dance around the room :biggrin:)
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  • Feb 21, 2009
    Rheazombi
    another rendering for folks to fantasize about


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  • Feb 21, 2009
    dpeilow
    Good work :smile:
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  • Feb 21, 2009
    Sgee
    I particularly dont mind the Karma, I just pray that the tesla doesnt have the mustache grill.
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  • Feb 22, 2009
    dpeilow
    So we all got excited by the pictures and haven't talked about specs.

    Any word on the spec level of these Signature 1000 cars? Will they be available in 160 to 300 mile versions or just top spec versions? $40k seems to a lot to put down for a car that will nominally have a $57,500 base price, so I presume that these will all be the latter.
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  • Feb 22, 2009
    Tdave
    $60k deposit for a Roadster expected to be around $120k delivered.
    $40k deposit for a Model S expected to be around $80k delivered.

    Makes sense to me.
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  • Feb 22, 2009
    Palpatine
    The people in the Roadster signature 100 series put down 100% of the cost upfront. I think it was $100,000 for everything. Maybe someone else can confirm. Then for Roadsters after 100 the deposit was less.

    So while $40,000 is a lot for the deposit on the Sedan sig 1,000 series, it is likely not the regular deposit for 1,001 and beyond. That deposit will likely be smaller at $10,000 to $20,000. The universe of customers, willing to make a large deposit, is limited.

    Aptera seems to have stalled out at 4,000 orders with only a $500 deposit. But that is just California. I have been hearing 4,000 orders on the Aptera for about 8 months since I put mine in.
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  • Feb 23, 2009
    domenick
    AutoblogGreen Model S photoshop adjusted
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    Auto Express News Model S Photoshop adjusted
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    Verdict: The "clever photoshopping techniques" referred to by Auto Express seem mostly limited to copy, paste and embed watermark.
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  • Feb 23, 2009
    dpeilow
    Tesla S revealed further | Auto Express News | News | Auto Express

    heh...

    My version was done with the brightness control in MS Office Picture Manager, not exactly the world's most sophisticated graphics tool.
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  • Feb 23, 2009
    Kevin Harney
    I am predicting that after the first 1000 cars the deposit will be about $5000. Many of the people buying a Model S will actually need a loan to buy it. And no Car in hand = no loan.
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  • Feb 23, 2009
    dpeilow
    Exactly. I'm wondering what kind of finance options Tesla might be able to offer. This might be a good long term money spinner for them. Is it too late to access the bank bailouts, as GM did with their finance arm?
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  • Feb 23, 2009
    Kevin Harney
    Yeah and all of the Majors are going back to 0% financing right now. The financing part of it will be tough.
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  • Feb 24, 2009
    dpeilow
    Tesla Confirms Latest Model S Teaser Is Official

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  • Feb 24, 2009
    Laurent
    Guilty as charged :biggrin:! I did pick up the phone when I saw the email. I was told that they would email me a reservation agreement on Monday, which they did. I dropped it off in person in San Carlos that same day along with a check. Now, all I have to do is wait 2 1/2 years and maybe I'll get a car...
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  • Feb 24, 2009
    Kevin Harney
    How much was the required deposit ?
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  • Feb 24, 2009
    Laurent
    The deposit is $40k.
    If you cancel, you lose 1% ($400). If Tesla goes under, you lose 100% :frown:

    I'll be curious to know how many orders they have by the time March 26 comes around.
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  • Feb 24, 2009
    Kevin Harney
    I thought I read that but wasn't sure if it was speculation or fact. Did they say what the deposit would be after the signature 1000 ?

    Did they have enough info for you to pick any options yet ?

    Are all of the Sig 1000's simply LOADED ?
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  • Feb 24, 2009
    ChargeIt!
    Deposit after first 1,000 Signature Series (there's also a small Founder's Series) is $5k. I think you can reserve a non-signature vehicle now ... but not sure.

    $10k discount applies ONLY TO SIGNATURE SERIES (which will likely be priced higher that non-signature cars) for "registered owner of a Tesla Roadster" (at the time of delivery of Model S (a subtle but important detail)).

    Can't pick options yet ...

    Not sure if Signature Series is LOADED ... but I strongly doubt it ... reason ( I suspect ) is they still don't have enough firm idea about pricing. So ... other than special badging, there's no way to know yet what options MIGHT BE included vis-a-vis non-signature car.
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  • Feb 24, 2009
    vfx

    So the discount is on the upcharge?
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  • Feb 24, 2009
    ChargeIt!
    "So the discount is on the upcharge?"

    I guess it all depends on how you look at it ... I was at first happy to see TM/Elon give a $10k discount to existing Roadster Owners for loyalty (the long delays, risk, etc) in communications made a few weeks ago. But then finding out it only applies to those who once again take a HUGE leap of faith (another 2 years, $40k risk, unknown (?"volatile"-last-minute?) pricing and options, etc) kind of cooled any enthusiasm.

    TM, of course, has learned from past mistakes. And they must run a viable, profitable business. And they are entitled to that. But the (apparent) tactics behind it kind of chase away the warm fuzzy feelings ...

    If you want to support Tesla by ordering one of the 1,000 Signature Series you get the $10k discount if you are a registered owner of a Roadster at delivery time. You are paying for an exclusive specially badged car. For the privilege of getting the special badging, and MAY BE some extra options that get bundled (or may be not ... they haven't said yet) you will be paying extra. How much extra are you paying ? Who knows ... it still depends on what will be included. How much extra are you willing to pay extra ? That's a personal choice ... And if you are willing to do all that to own something exclusive, THEN you get $10k off.

    So ... it all depends on how you look at it and what your personal preferences are.

    But in my opinion EVERY 2008 Roadster investor that's risked his/her $$$ and waited a LONG time (in some case 2 1/2 years), and maybe even 2009 Roadster deliveries, should get the $10k discount on a Signature Model S WITHOUT the at-time-of-delivery-registration requirement if they put up another at-risk-$40k-deposit now.

    At least (so far) a Roadster owner can still get to the head of the line for non-signature Model S with a $5k deposit. That's some consolation.
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  • Feb 24, 2009
    Palpatine
    I have already emailed and asked about that. I want to buy #1,001 and only put down $5,000 for it.

    In fact I think waiting makes sense, to allow production to work out the kinks.
    The first few Roadsters had issues with the transmission and the carbon fiber body panels not fitting properly. I am thinking that everything should be running smoothly by #1,001.

    At $5,000 I also won't have so much money at risk in case Tesla Motors doesn't make it.
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  • Mar 3, 2009
    Laurent
    Hot Wheels ! The car of the future

    The World Newser

    It mentions something about Model S having 3G Internet inside.
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  • Mar 3, 2009
    dpeilow
    Start the motor? Erm, like Kitt? Or that BMW from James Bond?

    I wonder what SpaceX think of this new competition? :rolleyes:
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  • Mar 3, 2009
    TEG
    More fuel for the discussion of how people are sometimes apparently mistakenly going faster than the brakes can handle.
    Zero miles to the gallon sounds odd / bad. Like even "worse" than 1 MPG. I am tempted to say infinite miles to the gallon, but zero is actually technically correct unless we venture into MPGe.
    In theory I suppose. Has *anyone* ever actually powered their house from a Roadster? This statement in a story might get some potential customers to think it is ready to go as a backup power source for power outages.
    Well, there is faint amount of "motor" whine. Most people like it.
    I would have put "manageable" in quotes there!
    Apparently the reporter wasn't explained the difference between Tesla and SpaceX.
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  • Mar 3, 2009
    doug
    Yeah, I hear the user interface will have lots of cool features. Unfortunately, this author is a bit confused. Start the motor?? I suppose he wants to make sure it's "warmed up." He also doesn't seem to know the difference between SpaceX and Tesla.
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  • Mar 3, 2009
    Rheazombi
    Still, even with all the weirdness, the article has gotten me pumped for the Model S in a way that I can't explain :biggrin:

    ...Even though my dad probably wouldn't get a roadster AND the model S.... (My dad would normally never drive a sports car like the roadster but we wanted it ASAP in 2009, not 2011/2012)


    Just a chance to work on my sales pitching skills then, I guess :biggrin::biggrin:
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  • Mar 4, 2009
    dpeilow
    So the light does curve around the side and there's a nice crease that comes down the rear quarter and merges into the boot/trunk lid. Looks like LLN was on the money.

    Well, only just the front to confirm now, I guess, but it's looking good.
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  • Mar 4, 2009
    Kevin Harney
    TEG,
    what is the picture on the left ?!?!?!
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  • Mar 4, 2009
    domenick
    TEG beat me to it.
    Anyway, here's my screen grab.
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  • Mar 9, 2009
    doug
  • Mar 9, 2009
    graham
    From Doug's linked article:

    Is this a new downgrade from the "300 miles" that gets bandied about? Or is the author mistaken?
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  • Mar 9, 2009
    Palpatine
    Also from the article:

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  • Mar 9, 2009
    TEG
    Aptera Car Cooler Than iPhone
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  • Mar 9, 2009
    mt2
    I think they are playing fast and loose with the fact that Aptera doesn't have any vehicles on the road - yet.
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  • Mar 9, 2009
    TEG
    Well they have some...
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  • Mar 9, 2009
    mt2
    That's what I meant by "fast and loose". Aptera hasn't delivered any production models, so Tesla might feel they can state they are the only one with a GPS that shows charging stations.

    Off topic, I know, but I wonder if the Model S will show the "greenest route" like the Aptera GPS does.
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  • Mar 9, 2009
    TEG
    Well Tesla hasn't delivered any customer vehicles with that functionality and it seems Aptera is on track to deliver some of their cars before Model S. So Aptera may well be the first production vehicle on the road with that technology.
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  • Mar 9, 2009
    Palpatine
    There is nothing stopping Tesla from putting that technology in a Roadster now. It sounds like a software update for the GPS.
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  • Mar 9, 2009
    TEG
    Huh? I doubt it is for that JVC single DIN GPS.
    I think Aptera and Model S prototypes have something more sophisticated.
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  • Mar 10, 2009
    dpeilow
    Either it's a downgrade, it's 'real world' vs. EPA range or it's the usual levels of journalistic accuracy. Either way Tesla should clarify it.
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  • Mar 10, 2009
    Palpatine
    Tesla has said there are two different batteries for the Model S. You can get the regular or the BIG battery. I recall the numbers 160 and 300 for miles. But I am not sure.
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  • Mar 10, 2009
    graham
    I have also seen comments where Tesla sometimes refuses to admit the existence of Aptera because it is not a "car" in their mind.
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  • Mar 10, 2009
    dpeilow
    Greentech Media: Green Light � Blog Archive � High Quality, Affordable EVs. Made in China?

    From Darryl:

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  • Mar 10, 2009
    stopcrazypp
    Yes I recall that also, but knowing the car isn't anywhere near production, I expect the final numbers to change as they near production and have the car ready for the market.
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  • Mar 10, 2009
    Kevin Harney
    225 meets my minimum standards of 200 miles. :)

    YEAH !!!
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  • Mar 10, 2009
    Palpatine
    We are converting a 2009 Toyota RAV4 (leather, 4 WDR) to pure EV. It will have 100+ miles of range with regen. 90 mph top speed.
    It has already sold to a customer for $60,000. If I wanted to spend another $8,000 on batteries it would be really close to 200 miles of range.

    It should be ready by late April or early May and ready for media test drives. I am sure you will read about it.
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  • Mar 12, 2009
    vfx
  • Mar 16, 2009
    dpeilow
    Come on Tesla - it's been almost two weeks since the last sneak peak...
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  • Mar 16, 2009
    Sgee
    Dont worry, only 10 days to go!
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  • Mar 23, 2009
    Kevin Harney
    3 DAYS !!!! :biggrin:
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  • Mar 23, 2009
    Laurent
    1000 DAYS !!! until the first Model S delivery :frown:
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  • Mar 23, 2009
    dpeilow
    ROFL :biggrin:
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  • Mar 23, 2009
    NEWDL
    I will post some pictures on my mobile me site after the event.... sorry I won't give it out during due to friends and family having priority... Once I retire back to the hotel...I will post the link to my shots....
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  • Mar 24, 2009
    TEG
    2 days to go!!
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  • Mar 24, 2009
    jtibble
  • Mar 24, 2009
    flabby

    Hey, that's Kevin's job. :biggrin:
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  • Mar 24, 2009
    Kevin Harney
    OH NO have I been laid off :frown:
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  • Mar 24, 2009
    dpeilow
  • Mar 24, 2009
    Kevin Harney
    that would be a cool way for TM to reveal it in the last 12 hours with a time lapsed reveal one inch at a time ..... :biggrin:
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  • Mar 24, 2009
    Laurent
    If Tesla were more like Apple, a picture would be leaked the night before the main event and then a bolt of lightning would come down from the sky (at the order of Steve Jobs / Elon Musk), turning the leaker into ashes ... :biggrin:
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  • Mar 24, 2009
    TEG
    Just wear proper attire at the spy photo drop point...
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    (The guy in back on the left wasn't wearing proper attire!)
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  • Mar 25, 2009
    Kevin Harney
    In this bad economy I have to get this in before TEG does so that I don't lose my job !!!!

    1 DAY LEFT !!!!!!!:biggrin:
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  • Mar 25, 2009
    Joseph
    "Only if Tesla plan to pull back the blanket at the stroke of midnight [would the counter be correct]"

    When I made the counter, I couldn't find a time - only the date. So, I couldn't be precise.
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  • Mar 25, 2009
    Kevin Harney
    well it appears that the time is a rolling target anyway. Published party at 7 pm but now Left Lane says they will cover it live at 1pm
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    DaveD
    5 hours, 15 minutes left.
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    Chris H.
    Hey Dave, are you trying to make Kevin unemployed again? :wink:
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    Kevin Harney
    I am having a hard time trying to stay employed :frown:
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    WarpedOne
    Model S from flickr

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  • Mar 26, 2009
    dpeilow
    Omg!!!!!!!!!
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    mike
    Wow. That exceeds my expectations.
    I am very interested in the ~19" wide screen portrait display. I wonder if this is production intent of engineers just messing around with possibilities. Also the dash looks to be an LCD display as well. :)
    Good find.
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    dpeilow
    WarpedOne, how did you get this?

    We got scooped :biggrin:
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    WarpedOne
    Pure luck :)

    I was just checking leftlanenews, they have a flash chat thing going there and someone posted the link. This is spreading like wildfire in savanah :)

    I guess these pics are a little old. I hope they will have a finished interior to show.
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    hailstorm
    Wow. That looks stunning. I'd take that over a roadster any day. Can't see the nose of the car yet though.
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    dpeilow
    The web site will go live with ordering info at 14:00 PST.
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    WarpedOne
    Ordering? They better have a finished car to show then for orders to take.

    And yes, it does look nice and beatiful, reminds me of Lexus. Touchscreen central console is a nice touch. I also like the mirrors - unobtrusive, elegant.
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    mike
    Door Handles

    Flickr Photo Download: Tesla Model S

    Looking at the large image the door handles seem to be flush with the body of the car. I wonder if these are just push buttons or some type of hide-a-handle.
    Can't wait for the reveal. :)
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    dpeilow
    Wow that is high res. I wonder how Kevin Rose got them..?
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    WarpedOne
    But if you compare the rear lights with those on the teaser with that Mazda guy here http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/16533-post23.html you see they are clearly different. Which one is more recent? I'd say that one with Mazda guy.

    Can't wait for tonight! :biggrin:
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    mike
    My guess would be Elon probably gave the pics to Kevin. :) Digg is huge so could create an enormous amount of free publicity.

    Looking at the high res dash shot the redline is between 14-16k. Is this consistent with what has been known before for DT1.5/2.0?

    Flickr Photo Download: Tesla Model S - touch screen?
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    mike
    I would guess the new ones on flickr are the latest.

    Under additional information on the flickr site it says that the images were taken March 17th, 2009 with a Cannon EOS-1Ds Mark III. I would imagine this would be from the exif data.
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    dpeilow
    I'd say this is the newer design...
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    dexlargo
    The interior shot was taken with a different camera on March 23. A bunch of people on flickr seem suspicious of the screen in the interior shot. They cite a lack of glare from the screen on the surrounding bezel - but if you notice around the instrument display there is glare only to a point, then none on the bezel that extends around the large screen.
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    WarpedOne
    Yes, I've changed my mind also. These on flickr have more detail to it.
    17th march? I hope the interior is also (almost) complete and they've just taken it apart to do some work.

    Re 16k redline:
    I remember the talk about higher reving motor, stronger motor and PEM cooling etc. It is a posibility and a moving target. They will surely improve on it in years to come before production.
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    dpeilow
  • Mar 26, 2009
    TEG
    Talk about "cat out of the bag", "jumping the gun"... Well there it is!

    OK - we still don't know what the front looks like yet.
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    TEG
    The new photos of the white one appear to have a real California plate, not a dummy plate like on the dark gray one.
    Also that little Tesla logo behind the front wheel looks more production intent now. My guess is that the new photos are of the most recent prototype.
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    TEG
    Why publish a picture of the dashboard all torn up?
    That is one heckofa big center console screen if that is what they will really do.
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    dpeilow
    I wonder if Jalopnik have a point with the source of the chassis?
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    WarpedOne
    You mean Daimler? Now this would be big, real big.
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    dexlargo
    Looks like Kevin Rose took his pictures down. Someone else has uploaded them though, but not quite in as high resolution:

    GM-Volt's photostream
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    dpeilow
    Damn - only got one of the high res saved


    What a shame GM-Volt isn't a Pro user...
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    Kevin Harney
    HEY !!! They are unavailable now :frown:
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    dpeilow
    BTW - in the high res shot looking through the roof, you can see the interior looks finished.

    I had doubted that Tesla would show it with wires hanging out :rolleyes:
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    TEG
    I love the giant moonroof, and the sedan shape with the fastback/hatchback.

    Overall it looks like a real winner to me. Hoping to see lots of them on the road in 2012!
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    TEG
    Hatchback like rear opening confirmed:
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    Kevin Harney
    TEG see if you can slueth up a pic with the third seat in the back ....
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    Iz
    Beautiful!!

    The TM site has not updated the order page as of 5:30 EDT. Actually, with the exception of the LeftLaneNews.com press release there is no other information regarding the unveiling on the TM site.

    Looks like two different grilles to me. :biggrin:
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    WarpedOne
    Model S - Fast Facts


    1. Manufacturer: Tesla Motors
    2. Expected to enter production in 2011
    3. Base Price: $50,000
    4. Car has 3G connectivity1
    5. Features a 17-inch touch-screen console1
    6. Seats five adults1
    7. Truck features two backward-facing jump seats for kids
    8. Aluminum body panel
    9. Carbon option available
    10. Uses high density lithium ion batteries
    11. Three levels of removable battery packs available1
    12. Batteries charge in as little as 45 minutes1
    13. Tesla Model S was unveiled at SpaceX in Hawthorne, California
    14. Digg founder Kevin Rose is said to have leaked photos of the Model S via Twitter2
    15. Profits from the Tesla Model S are expected to fund development of a third, more affordable, Tesla vehicle
    16. Expected to be a top contender for the Progressive Automotive X Prize2
    17. Tesla chief executive Elon Musk says the company hopes to produce around 20,000 units per year at their factory in Southern California3
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    Kevin Harney
    Any Factory or Funding announcements at the unveiling ?
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    dpeilow
    Tesla Model S: $50,000 EV sedan seats seven, 300-mile range, 0-60 in 5.5s

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  • Mar 26, 2009
    TEG
    Picture bonanza:
    AutoblogGreen

    By the way, the dark gray one they teased us with is obviously an earlier prototype. The new ones (white, silver) look much more production ready and evolved.
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    Iz
    Thanks for the Autoblog links.
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    TEG
  • Mar 26, 2009
    Tdave
    Well, I'd bet the larger frontal area of the Model S actually makes it use more energy to push through the air than the Roadster with its smaller frontal area (even considering Roadster's higher Cd).
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    Cobos
    I think the boot up front is the bit I hadn't expected. That is very handy. Two places to spread my crap/stuff/things and it means I can keep the rear hatch completely empty and keep the toolbox, first aid kit and other assorted stuff in the front. Very flexible... I like....
    I only need a Euro price now.... and I'd like to get some idea of how much the car will cost with the extras I want :)

    Cobos
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    TEG
    So what is it?
    244 miles for the Roadster with 53 kWh
    160 miles for the S with 42 kWh

    So the Roadster is about 20% more efficient per mile than the S if I did my math right. That seems about right given the size and weight difference even if you credit the S for having a better CD.
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    Kevin Harney
    I had questioned the front boot several months ago and am glad to see they included it. I wish I could see the front boot open and I wish I could see the third row of seats. I am liking everything that I have read so far. And I am pretty sure that I can overlook the grill. I do like the black grill better than the chrome one. It just makes it look smaller. I was sort of hoping that there might be no grill just smooth body. Nice list of stats from Autoblog. Very informative.
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    Kevin Harney
    AND BTW who was it a while back that said they had seen the car and it was NOT going to seat 7 people ....... hummmmmmm
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    SteveF
    I find this quote from the Autoblog article regarding the Model S battery pack VERY intriguing:

    "They expect replacement battery packs to come in at "well under $5000" according to Elon."

    I am hopeful that means Roadster owners can also expect battery pack costs to be well south of the 20 to 30K that has been speculated? I know the packs are different, but if battery technology has advanced to the degree that such a statement can be made for the Model S, I would think it benefits Roadster owners, too.

    And what about the 12K option for battery replacement for Roadster buyers? If I had signed up for that (I didn't), this could cause me to rethink that decision.
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  • Mar 26, 2009
    dpeilow
  • Mar 26, 2009
    Kevin Harney
    I am guessing that with 3 range numbers there will actually be 3 batteries in some cars and two in others and 1 in the 160 mile base car. So 5,000 x 3 batteries. That is just the marketing guy in me talking ....
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