Oct 14, 2012
charliestyr cool, thanks. I should stop being so eagerI'll wait a little
e2a: it's in all sizes now�
Oct 14, 2012
cinergi Note to self: don't use a parking lot at private property to deliver a vehicle and go back and take more video. I just got scolded for doing that :redface:
I'm really not good with this "law" thing ...�
Oct 14, 2012
napabill The private property being the golf club where you took delivery? Not surprising, as all of us golfers are cranky.
I assume that if your S is in a garage that is within the WiFi zone of the house, the phone becomes secondary? So software updates would happen.
And thanks for all your work. For those of us who are still months away from getting our own S, it is a godsend.�
Oct 14, 2012
steve841 No good deed goes unpunished.�
Oct 14, 2012
contaygious Watched the whole touchscreen vid. Thanks a ton! Does pandora on your phone show up like spotty did?
Can you raise or lower the car while moving? I'd like to raise to highest setting while rolling up to my hill.
Can you show the browser in detail? It was super buggy when I tried it. Thx!�
Oct 14, 2012
Arnold Panz Golf courses -- pretty slow on a weekday, but Sat/Sun is their busy time. Go back tomorrow and you'll be fine!�
Oct 14, 2012
Jeeps17 Pray tell!
At some point with all of us OCDs (sorry, "enthusiasts") they really will not have anything left to teach :biggrin:�
Oct 14, 2012
kevincwelch Ben,
Nice touch screen video. Maybe I missed it, but was there an explanation on how to set the seat memory? Future upgrade?�
Oct 14, 2012
cinergi Yeah I don't have that version yet. That'll be an "addendum" video :smile:
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Everything I know is now in the video as best as I can tell. I'm trying to remember an example (and failing) but all the new stuff is incorporated. Oh -- the manual parking brake thing as a way to leave your passengers with a live car. Wow, yeah I can't remember what else was new to me. Information overload!
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Nope. Triple-click doesn't do anything special. I can't reproduce it!�
Oct 14, 2012
Todd Burch Thanks so much for posting these Cinergi...very useful!�
Oct 14, 2012
JakeP Dear Tesla: you may now ship me my car, no Delivery Specialist required...I am Cinergi-certified!
Seriously, thank you Cinergi.
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Whoa, the Regatta deli in Westboro? That place rules...the sandwiches are the size of your head!!!�
Oct 14, 2012
cinergi LOL yup. I had a hankering for their Regatta (for those who don't know, that's their signature italian sub). SO GOOD! And cheap!�
Oct 14, 2012
JakeP We used to eat there all the time back when I worked at NEES (now National Grid). And we ate at 99's in Norwood when I worked at Boston Gas! I lived in Framingham for a year, and then on Beacon Hill for ten years. If you ever get the chance, try Antonio's Cucina Italiana on Cambridge St across from MGH. It is only a few pleasant blocks from the Chargepoint station at Govt Center.
Explanation for this insane digression: both restaurants were used as destinations in Cinergi's video demonstrating the Navigation system.�
Oct 14, 2012
splitsec002 Thanks so much Ben! I've enjoyed watching the videos. I was thinking that Tesla should take a hint from Ben and make their own videos regarding certain aspects of the car and how to use it correctly. It's the way things are moving toward these days. I also think it would save them lots of hours on the phone with customers. I for one would love to look at videos to figure something out I couldn't figure out before. An example would be the phone pairing that people are having issues with. Putting that into a FAQ video would save us and Tesla a lot of time!�
Oct 14, 2012
setritt Thanks for all the vids. One question though, Tesla rates the single charger as up to 31 mph charge and in the charging vid you note that you only get up to about 20 mph charge.
Makes me wonder if the dual chargers and HPC are worth it to be able to consistently charge at off-peak or super off-peak rates. My super off-peak times are 11pm-7am and only charge 1.29 cents/kwh.
Is there a reason why it doesnt get 31 mph charge?�
Oct 14, 2012
cinergi Yeah, you know ... I need to check that. I may be off. The problem is it takes a while for the number to settle into place so I'm gonna try to observe that better and report back. At 205V though, my max will be about 26 MRPH instead of 31.
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Oct 14, 2012
mitch672 Cinergi's 14-50 outlet is running at 208V, not 240V, he's in a commercial building on 3 phase power, so thats about a %13.3 decrease in voltage to start with (240V is residental split phase service). Also, that 31 MPH rate is probably if the pack is near empty, thats probably the max rate @ 40A 240V, if the pack is not starting from a low SOC, the charge rate will probbaly be slower. He also stated that the rate shown increases, and doesn't show the rate immediatley.. Correct me Cinergi if I have any of this wrong.�
Oct 14, 2012
cinergi Unlike the Roadster (IIRC) the Model S I'm finding charges at 40 all the way to the end of a standard mode charge. However [email�protected] should still give me 26 miles of range per hour. It's possible I was running HVAC or something which will slow the rate down...�
Oct 15, 2012
vfx
Speaking of which.....
I am unable to watch the Livescream video. My machine loads 2-3 seconds and plays it 2 seconds at a time. No preload possible. Unwatchable!
Can you convert your delivery it into a standard YouTube vid so you have the whole Cinergi deliverly and learning/teaching package in one place?�
Oct 15, 2012
STxTesla Great videos, Ben. The cabin walkthrough video really shows off the "black" interior. I chose that option and really like that it is not a true black but more of a charcoal grey color. I have heard that description here in the forum but seeing it is very nice. Thanks.�
Oct 15, 2012
Lloyd I don't like that screaming either.�
Oct 15, 2012
ljbad4life I was going to watch the delivery, but I'm afraid of whatever made someone scream�
Oct 15, 2012
vfx I saw that typo and left it in since there was screaming from me.�
Oct 15, 2012
cinergi I'm sure it would. Spotify is just sending BT audio and track information ... the Model S fills in the album artwork and that's pretty much all there is to it. It's been a LONG time since I've used Pandora (don't even have it installed anymore) but can give it a shot if you like ...
I'll try and let you know how that goes. Will be tricky to find a safe area to play with that :smile:
Yup. I've found it buggy and slow myself. Any sites in particular?�
Oct 15, 2012
AndyM I'm glad that feature is still there. It's one of the "wow" features I first saw at the Oct 2011 factory//first-ride event.�
Oct 15, 2012
STxTesla Cynergi,
is there a fast way to change the suspension height...(can you use the steering wheel button(s) to control suspension height?)
There are times when we turn into a parking lot only to discover that you are likely to rub the bottom because of the angle of the driveway and the parking drive.
It would be nice to be able to quickly hit the high button to help clear low spots that might give you rub rash.�
Oct 15, 2012
contaygious Hopefully voice control makes suspension changing easier, but I am worried it won't work when moving which I'd like.
For the browser any site is fine, but just hoping the pinching and panning has improved.�
Oct 15, 2012
cinergi Not currently but that's a great suggestion for the steering controls. They're working on making the scroll wheel and the button customizable -- there are a few choices now; suspension height could be another one. I'd ask Tesla directly (do you have a contact?)�
Oct 15, 2012
smorgasbord From what I've read, I don't see why one wouldn't keep Model S at its highest setting all the time. Once you pass whatever the threshold speed is (30MPH?) the car will lower itself anyway. So, when you see an obstacle, all you would need do is slow to 29MPH. Right?�
Oct 15, 2012
jerry33 I have the impression that it lowers to different amounts based on the initial setting. I don't know if anyone has actually measured this though.�
Oct 15, 2012
STxTesla It would be great if this is the case....riding at the highest height when traveling slow would minimize rubbing bottom. (Not that there's anything wrong with rubbing bottom)�
Oct 16, 2012
contaygious Couple sound questions. Did you try plugging your phone in via USB and did you get audio? Does it work similiar to bt or is it better somehow? Dd you play with audio settings and have any recommendations with Dolby on/off, etc.?�
Oct 16, 2012
cinergi I know I still have to answer your other questions :smile: but phone via USB only charges right now. It's still BT audio. I haven't changed any sound settings ... haven't felt the need to. I did play with dolby on/off at a store a while back and the difference was amazing. I personally prefer it on.�
Oct 16, 2012
smorgasbord This post says otherwise.�
Oct 16, 2012
JRod0802 I think I remember reading in the Model S Quick Guide (or what ever it was called) that cruise control would work at as slow as 20 mph. I'm just wondering, have you tried really slow cruise control cinergi? Does it really go that low?
EDIT:
Just noticed this post in the Model S First Drive Reviews thread:
Nevermind.�
Oct 16, 2012
napabill I believe the cruise control is from Mercedes, and that works from 20 mph and up.�
Oct 16, 2012
William13 From my limited understanding the ride hight resets to default when the car is restarted. This eliminates my desire to leave the car on high setting to accommodate speed bumps. I hope we get a quicker way to change the car hight or that the bumps are lower than I fear.
Could someone please test the car to see if it resets?�
Oct 17, 2012
TheAustin Didn't Preston Tucker invent that concept?
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Oct 17, 2012
napabill Cinergi: You mentioned earlier in the thread that you have set your energy display for "Projected" rather than "Rated." I see no reference to that setting in the Owner's Quick Guide. Could you elaborate on how "Projected" is determined? Assume it's based on actual driving history, but over what period if so? And assume "Rated" will be the much discussed 265 miles. Thanks.�
Oct 17, 2012
cinergi Projected is based on your last 30 miles of driving. You'll see both numbers referenced if you pull up the Controls -> Trip/range info or pull up the range info on the instrument cluster.�
Oct 17, 2012
pguerra Cinergi,
Hey I met you at the Mahwah event and you told me about and showed me your Roadster. Thanks. Can you remind me again?
1) What year was your Roadster?
2) How many miles did it have?
3) What was the reduction in range from maximum charge when you first took delivery to when you traded it in?
Thanks again.�
Oct 17, 2012
cinergi Pandora works the same way.
You can raise the suspension while driving -- but you're limited to:
Very high: under 10 MPH
High: under 20 MPH
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Hiya!
1) 2010 (2.5)
2) 19,500
3) 188 -> 181 (standard mode)�
Oct 17, 2012
gg_got_a_tesla Thanks for all the tidbits, Ben.
Btw, time to update your avatar?!�
Oct 17, 2012
cinergi Hah! Yes, I keep meaning to do that and then sucked into reading the forum :smile:�
Oct 17, 2012
contaygious Thx a ton! Getting tired of the attention in parking lots yet :tongue:�
Oct 18, 2012
tdelta1000 Great vids Cinergi. After watching the "unboxing" video, I thought it would be cool to add some L.E.D light strips just under the rails for the shelf to eliminate the rear trunk lighting problem. Take a look at my pic for placement.
The placement also makes it easy to tap into the existing L.E.D lighting already in the rear. Here is a sample of what I'm talking about.
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Oct 18, 2012
Lloyd perhaps just a brighter LED bulb would be enough?�
Oct 18, 2012
kevincwelch Great idea. Wired? Button depressed?�
Oct 18, 2012
Babylonfive It's a great idea! Give it a test first, attaching to the existing light; I wouldn't think that another few hundred milliamps would load that circuit terribly - it's probably on a shared 5A 12V circuit. Great idea and in sync with my thoughts when I saw his review.
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Oct 18, 2012
cinergi Cupholder in action :smile:
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I'm putting that together now. The video starts just just after the semi parks. I should have that uploaded late tonight.�
Oct 18, 2012
kevincwelch Did the unboxing reveal the tire repair kit? Or is that under another panel that you have yet to discover (and film)?�
Oct 18, 2012
steve841 I do believe that there is no kit provided .... But you can buy one fom tesla. However, griots garage has a kit that contains a plug kit + compressor... Which is far superior to adding sealant to a tire.�
Oct 18, 2012
tdelta1000 I would prefer it wired but button depressed is good idea as well.�
Oct 18, 2012
shokunin Does the car even come with a jack or lug nut wrench? Kind of hard to use a tire plugging kit while the wheel is still mounted.�
Oct 19, 2012
Norbert
Heh, great how you made the point about being able to pull the armrest forward.�
Oct 19, 2012
joefee cinergi - Thanks for all your time & effort! My wife is a technophobic and after watching your videos, I'm convinced she will never drive the car � can't ask for more :redface:�
Oct 19, 2012
Botbldr45 Cinergi you lucky devil that was an awesome watch ..... really good work....enjoy your S!!
You are also lucky because you got our DC Service Manager, Matt who transferred up there this week. He is great and will help you with the BEST possible service and care.
Good driving!!�
Oct 19, 2012
cinergi The instrument cluster with respect to charging: Tesla Model S Instrument Cluster - Charging - YouTube
I did an instrument cluster walkthrough but I'm not happy with the quality (the lighting and focus) so I'm gonna redo that and get that uploaded at some point.
I want to spend some time this weekend on a write-up now that I've had the car for a week.�
Oct 19, 2012
Discoducky These are so great, thanks so much! I, for about an hour, forgot that I actually don't have a Model S yet:wink:
And the quality is fine with me as I can easily see, hear and understand what you are explaining, so big kudos!�
Oct 20, 2012
pguerra Hi Cinergi,
Your projected miles is 199 in the video and battery degradation is a concern for me. If the Model S retains 67% of its original battery charge after 7yrs or 100k miles, then that would be about 134 projected miles of range after being "fully" charged in standard mode.
I guess we won't know if this is true or not until around year 2019-2020 (or earlier if it happens sooner or if people describe their battery degradation rate over the years from which we can extrapolate)...
But still 134 miles is rather disappointing. As an aside, residual value at this point would be anyone's guess, but I bet it would be lower than an ICE vehicle b/c the utility of the vehicle would be so much lower.�
Oct 20, 2012
Norbert Where is the number 67% coming from? Since the Model S has different chemistry than the Roadster (with claimed longer cycle life), I'm not aware of a possible source. Another thread here?�
Oct 20, 2012
cinergi My 199 there is much lower than normal. It's due to all the test rides I've been giving. Projected is usually much closer to rated (240) while on the highway. You'll see this in a video I'm currently editing.�
Oct 20, 2012
contaygious Yay more vids coming.
Hey one quick q, would you mind measuring how high the farthest point of the rear/front door is when you open it? The point that would hit the wall first. I'm doing work on my garage and want to have some foam pads in place to protect the doors from hitting the walls. Thx a ton!�
Oct 20, 2012
dsm363 The front door has the lower section stick out more at 14", the rear door is widest at 37" if I measured this correctly. For the front door, the section that is higher up and sticks out the farthest is at about 33".�
Oct 20, 2012
pguerra It's on the TSLA S-1:
"The range of our electric vehicles on a single charge declines principally as a function of usage, time and charging patterns. For example, a customer�s use of their Tesla vehicle as well as the frequency with which they
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charge the battery of their Tesla vehicle can result in additional deterioration of the battery�s ability to hold a charge. We currently expect that our battery pack will retain approximately 60-65% of its ability to hold its initial charge after approximately 100,000 miles and 7 years, which will result in a decrease to the vehicle�s initial range. In addition, based on internal testing, we estimate that our Tesla Roadster would have a 5-10% reduction in range when operated in �20�C temperatures."
I think they were talking about the Roadster, and I think Model S is better battery technology (but unproven) so I picked 67% which is just a tad bit better than the "60-65%" TSLA claims on the S-1. You can pick any number you want, and in fact when I called TSLA the person I spoke with didn't know but thinks he remembers the number "72%" for battery degradation with the Model S (don't quote him on it).
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I guess we shall all see over the years how quickly our Model S batteries degrade over time, Texas temperatures, and with varying driving and charging habits. I know for one, I want it to be the simplest as possible and so I'm sure I'll be plugging in every night in standard mode, but nothing more than that. Every other trick (i.e. keep SOC around 50% average) is too much work. If there is an eventual charge timer on/off feature, I might do that also though.
I'm starting to think it would have been better to lease a Volt for 2 yrs for $269 / month, and then get the Model S 2.0 and even consider the Cadillac plug-in EV in 2014....
I hope I don't regret being a guinea pig with the Model S (darn rear seat cupholders and power folding mirrors).
And thank you to all the Roadster owners for paving the way.�
Oct 20, 2012
cinergi 37 minutes of driving compressed into 14 minutes ... and I go over nav/gps, cruise, energy usage, trip meter ...
Driving the Tesla Model S - YouTube�
Oct 20, 2012
Lokolo Are you able to reduce the brightness of the screen? It would annoy me being that bright when driving at night.�
Oct 20, 2012
dsm363 You can but presently it dims both the small LCD display and the 17" screen at the same time. I think that's more of an artifact of the camera though. It's really not that bright or distracting when driving.�
Oct 20, 2012
cinergi Yes, you can. I have it at 100% for the camera.. and I've actually been driving it at 100% and it wasn't too bright for me. The video is probably making it seem brighter than it is. I'm sure you can get it dark enough to suit your tastes.�
Oct 20, 2012
Robert.Boston It would be great if Tesla allowed these two to be controlled separately. Obviously, that's easy, just needs to be implemented in software.�
Oct 20, 2012
cinergi Roadster HPC -> Model S adapter: Tesla Roadster HPC to Model S charge adapter - YouTube�
Oct 20, 2012
Lyon How much was the adapter, if you don't mind my asking?�
Oct 20, 2012
jerry33 In the walkthrough video, at 06:40, the back of the front seat shows a slit or cut. Is that a defect or does it have a function?�
Oct 20, 2012
ElSupreme I am pretty sure that is access to a child's LATCH point. My GTI has hooks on the back of the seats that are not covered.�
Oct 20, 2012
cinergi They are $650.
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Oct 20, 2012
cinergi Blog post is up: A Week With the Tesla Model S Fearless Bit�
Oct 20, 2012
EarlyAdopter Looks like the anchor point for the top tether on front facing kid car seats.�
Oct 21, 2012
artsci No way. Until Tesla makes a change tdelta1000's solution is the way to go. It's an easy mod. You can use the self stick LED strips. Those with side-emitting arrays might disperse the light better.�
Oct 21, 2012
PhatCat Very informative. Thanks for your continued efforts at letting the rest of us into your early adopter experience. Hope we can measure up to your Tesla ambassador standard.�
Oct 21, 2012
tdelta1000 artsci... exactly. I have not seen any side emitting arrays but that would be the prefect solution. I think brighter bulbs may be too hot and may cause damage to the factory housings which explains why I like the addition of l.e.d lighting. Keep in mind if done well the mod will have a factory look and feel.�
Oct 21, 2012
Babylonfive Again, thanks for the great videos. It's a treat to review them all.�
Oct 21, 2012
SCW-Greg Yeah that caught my eye too. They are in similar positions (symmetrical) and in size. Looks to be there by design. But not sure I'd want that if not for an active need.
And yes, your videos are awesome!!! Thanks. Watched them all.�
Oct 21, 2012
pete8314 Great blog, and great videos. I've been slowly watching them at the gym, as I need something interesting to get me there in the first place. Of course, I guess that also demonstrates my limited gym attendance
I don't know how you found the time to record all the video and post a blog, but awesome work!�
Oct 21, 2012
kalikgod Great blog post! Thanks for passing on all the info. You turned up several things I had not seen before. It will be interesting to see how quickly they can get modifications rolled into production/software.It sounds like Model S has really lived up to the billing overall. I am flying out to the Bay Area for work right now, might have to slip down for a test drive. My state, TX, is a no test drive state like Mass�
Oct 21, 2012
AndyM Cinergi -
Emily at the Portland store did a demo for me that I can't believe I've never asked to see...
The question people undoubtedly will ask during Tesla Time is: "What happens if you fingers are in the door handles when they retract?"
The handle tries to retract, but you can pull it out against the motor's attempts. As soon as you remove your fingers, the handle comes back in as it wanted to.
I knew that it was safe, but never saw it in action. This would be a good video to record for the external view of the car.�
Oct 21, 2012
Larry Chanin Can someone disconnect a locked Model S from a J1772 public charging station?
Ben,
Thanks for all your efforts.
It's interesting to note that based on reading the owner's manual that it should be impossible for someone to disconnect a locked Model S from a public Tesla High Power Wall Connector (Model S version).
However, it seems that with the use of the J1772 adapter it is possible for someone to disconnect a locked Model S from a public J1772 charging station by depressing the button on the J1772 plug. Of course the adapter would still be locked to the car, but it seems that someone could still disconnect you from the charger.
Is this correct?
Thanks.
Larry�
Oct 21, 2012
cinergi Hi Larry! Thanks for the thanks!
Correct. The J1772 itself would need a locking mechanism as well. I recall reading that some do -- but I think it's rare.�
Oct 21, 2012
jerry33 Maybe HCSharp will make a Short and sweet J-1772 to Model S adapter - lockable�
Oct 21, 2012
artsci �
Oct 21, 2012
cinergi Everyone's been so thankful -- I really appreciate it!
I felt a void before I got mine, so I wanted to fill it. And I'm oddly enjoying it :smile: It's really no "work" for me. It's been a great experience to be involved in the community.
I'm thankful for TMC and the wonderful members here. The amount I've learned from here in the past few years is staggering.�
Oct 21, 2012
SCW-Greg +1!!! on this. The (TMC) education is so much more than just the car.
And so... like the rest of us junkies, I'm/we're waiting for your next vid...�
Oct 21, 2012
Discoducky ok, these videos are really great, just can't thank you enough: Ben Goodwin - YouTube�
Oct 26, 2012
cinergi 40 minutes of software updating in 7 minutes: Tesla Model S Software Upgrade - YouTube�
Oct 26, 2012
efusco Thanks, where was the "Various Clicking" originating?
Evan, Via Tapatalk�
Oct 27, 2012
cinergi Contactors/relays in the car ... the same clicks you get when turning the car on or initiate charging ...�
Oct 27, 2012
ShortArc Thanks for that Ben!
I had to laugh when you were narrating "lights are on, light are off...door handles extended, doorhandles sucked in, clicking etc"...would make a good script for a horror movie...."Malware takes over Model S". LOL.
Cheers.�
Oct 27, 2012
cinergi :smile:
And what did I do while waiting for it to update? Browse the TMC forums from my phone of course!
No, I'm not an addict. *cough cough*�
Oct 27, 2012
mitch672 Just a thought: I wonder if the noises are intentional, so you know the car isn't "bricked", or if they are random because the outputs are uncontrolled during the update. I'm betting on intentional. 40 minutes is a long time for an update to apply, I update AVAYA Linux based phone systems in less time than that.�
Oct 27, 2012
cinergi It's a by-product of the various systems rebooting / shutting down & powering back up.
Edit: There were a couple times where I thought it was hung up ... you definitely have to be patient with it. That's part of why I took a video of it ... You'll notice the timer on the bottom-right ... that's actual run-time despite the video editing .. so during transitions you'll notice e.g. 10 minutes has gone by ... and that's 10 minutes of seemingly nothing happening sometimes. *gulp*�
Oct 27, 2012
AndyM Suggestion to Tesla.... some indication of a progress would be useful. Even a chime to indicate things are moving along as planned to reassure the owner of a very expensive piece of tech. I am sure we'll all get used to it after a few upgrades; but why lose an opportunity to reassure new owners?�
Oct 27, 2012
STxTesla I bet that updates will be an overnight thing for all of us after watching the first and maybe second update.
Is there a notice after its all done that indicates that the update was successful?�
Oct 27, 2012
cinergi Well if you'd watched my video you'd know :tongue:
Yes, there's a dialog box at the end saying it was successful.�
Oct 27, 2012
mitch672 Or even better. Update a second ROM silently and switch with a reboot. Would make those update troubles go away and not render the car useless for two hours. I can't believe they didn't know this old 'trick'.�
Oct 27, 2012
STxTesla Yep, we do that with AVAYA phone equipment, there's an "alternate boot bank" that can be switched to, if an update fails.
Kind of important, but maybe they are doing that behind the scenes, we don't really know the process.�
Oct 27, 2012
cinergi I have watched all of your videos....they are great! Thanks. But, I never saw the update successful notification in your video. The last thing that I saw was you reading the version number that was displayed on your version check.�
Oct 27, 2012
shokunin Ahh, so you're also an addict :smile:
I THINK I got that dialog box in the video ... hopefully I didn't edit it out. It's a small gray window -- just like the one that starts the 60-second countdown to the upgrade.�
Oct 27, 2012
cinergi I remember seeing it in Ben's video, it was hidden behind the charging pop-up. Once ben closed it, it was a gray message screen saying that it was successful.�
Oct 28, 2012
pguerra Regarding the door opening when I unlocked. I talked to my local service manager about it, and they've seen it a few other times. The solution is to replace the door handle. Apparently the door handle is sending a phantom "someone is pulling on the handle" message and causing the door to open.
It's happened twice more to me now -- but on a different door. So both will get replaced.�
Oct 28, 2012
NigelM Ugh...$100 for ranger service or you have to drive the car into a shop or what happens? Bugs are adding up quick. Perhaps my low threshold for bugs makes me not an appropriate Model S buyer. I just figured "with Tesla attention to quality", a luxury (premium) vehicle, and 100k price tag, things would just work. Perhaps Tesla's definition of quality isn't the same as Lexus, Cadillac, Infiniti, MB, etc. or Tesla's definition of quality should be dumbed down a little and expectations lowered.
I know my Hybrid Escalade had one little door lock issue that was resolved under warranty and at least one recall item, is it wrong to expect the same level of quality as Cadillac? Should the bar be lowered for Tesla?�
Oct 28, 2012
cinergi Some might regard that as a feature. :smile:�
Oct 28, 2012
ckessel No charge. This is a warranty item.
And having to close a door a couple of times in two weeks doesn't bother me because the car is so awesome. It's hard to imagine or believe me until you own the car.
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I'd also say that the earlier in the line you are, the more likely you're going to have bugs. Of course. It's a brand new car, brand new platform, new build processes, etc. You *have* to expect that. If that's not for you, I wouldn't recommend your sequence number. But I have a feeling you'll feel differently after you own the car.�
Oct 28, 2012
pguerra Any fix would be under warranty, but it bothers me too. My previous experience with new cars is you buy it, drive home, and have zero issues. I can accept some software bugs that will be fixed over time, but hardware issues like the door handles, squeaky pano roof, etc are very concerning. My first year run of the Mazda RX8 has had zero issues. My wife's 2008 Acura RDX has had zero issues.
This will be my daily driver and needs to be high quality. I can't be taking it into the shop every few weeks for little repairs. I'm not sure what I can do about it now though since I've already finalized. If my finalize email came today, I'd probably just wait until I saw evidence cars were shipping at a higher quality level.�
Oct 28, 2012
dsm363 Okay, I believe you. I wish I wasn't built as such a non believer b/c it can make things more stressful. But I get paid to be nervous and not believe what I see, so I guess it's a vestige of my training/profession.�
Oct 28, 2012
cinergi You're going to have to expect some minor bugs at least for the time being with getting the car so early. Everything I've experienced so far has been minor with that said. There are still some features missing as has been mentioned and things that can be improved on but the car drives very well and physically, the car has been great so far.�
Oct 28, 2012
ElSupreme They can come to you. Where you work. That's what they did for me a couple days ago ... Pretty painless.�
Oct 29, 2012
Norbert One thing to note here. The RX8 was build upon the RX7 so it wasn't really a first year automobile, and it's first year run wasn't in NA, it was only in Japan. Granted it was a significant change from the RX7.
Same for the MDX you got the second model year there.
I am not saying that the established auto manufacturers aren't better at initial quality than Tesla, I believe they are. But it is mostly due to a very large existing and established parts bin, not superior methods. I also happen to think that Tesla is probably coming to market about twice as fast as the established manufacturers, so this also hurts initial quality, as there is less time to test production cars.�
Oct 29, 2012
ckessel And we shouldn't forget that there were many industry insiders who said it would be difficult for Tesla, or even impossible, to achieve their goals by 2012 (or make it to profitability at all).�
Oct 29, 2012
NigelM I park in a gated garage. They can't come to me unless I take time off work to go meet them. Further, there's no where to work in the garage so I'd probably have to leave downtown to find somewhere to meet them anyway.
This would be the typical situation of most folks driving into downtown Portland to park and I suspect true for many folks working downtown in cities where parking is largely in multi-story parking lots.�
Oct 29, 2012
cinergi @ckessel: Tesla made Ranger service work for all us Roadster owners so I'm sure that you'll find a compromise that works. Do note though, that as an early adopter chances are quite high that you'll have some small issue or another that requires attention.�
1/1/2015
guest Could they meet you at your office, you give them your key and pass, tell them where you parked, and go back to work? They're pretty much willing to do anything... and typically don't need much space around the car to work on it.�
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