Apr 4, 2015
onasj P85D, firmware 6.2. Some bugs that have reproducibly occurred in 6.2 that were NOT in 6.1 for me:
- Nav bizarrely thinks an address on Commonwealth Ave (one of the major streets in Boston) in Boston, MA, is actually in West Concord, MA, EVEN THOUGH the address was pulled from my history and was correctly located in 6.1. I was so dumbfounded that I tried typing the address in manually, trying a different number on the same street, etc. etc. and they all located to West Concord, MA, which is 30 minutes away. Bizarre.
- I have not gotten timed charging to work once since 6.2. It's set to charge from my Chargepoint station (J1772 adapter) at 3 am each morning, but it never does under 6.2 and reliably did so under 6.1.
Has anyone else seen these two bugs?�
Apr 4, 2015
dirkhh Yes, something is definitely off with navigation and addresses. We had a few reports (including mine) where it got hemispheres wrong (i.e. NE some street instead of SW some street). Yours sounds even more crazy.�
Apr 4, 2015
ElectronicNick I had this issue too. Mainly with saved addresses. I deleted the old saved address and redid my favorites. Fixed it for me. Hope this helps.�
Apr 4, 2015
andrewket Scheduled charging is still working for me.�
Apr 4, 2015
LetsGoFast So far, both nav failures I've had were with previously saved addresses. When I search new for the same business, it works correctly.�
Apr 6, 2015
mesalum I have not noticed the nav errors but I have noticed a new "behavior" after the 6.2.2.4.124 update. When opening the door I hear the "something is wrong" noise or chime. But by the time I get in the car there is nothing presented on the main screen. I get in the car butt first. But if I stick my head in first and look at the screen there is the red exclamation point on the top menu and when I press it quickly the "Software update required. Contact Tesla Service" dialog box is shown on the screen for a couple seconds and goes away on it's own. Has anybody noticed this with this update? I am gonna wait until 6xxxx vehicles get any updates past .124 before trying to contact Tesla Service.
Sorry about the crappy photos.�
Apr 6, 2015
Rheazombi I already posted this in the big 6.2 thread but it's more relevant here.
I have had the same Nav problems that others have been reporting. Also with saved addresses.
This photo was taken while I was already at home, yet it says my home is 24 miles away! (The redacted part is my correct home address.)
Most recent software version we had before 6.2 was .115�
Apr 6, 2015
mikeash I've seen a "Software Update Required" message on the instrument panel screen. I've only seen it from outside the car while it's plugged in. I didn't look at the center screen so I don't know if it showed up there. It hasn't popped up while I actually tried to use the car. My plan is to ignore it until it either goes away or something happens, since it definitely looks spurious.�
Apr 6, 2015
dirkhh Call Tesla. They can push the update a second time and that seems to fix it.�
Apr 6, 2015
efusco Anyone else had an issue with the music muting on entering the vehicle? It isn't every time for me, but most of the time it occurs.
I can't confirm the NAV issue, but I did use NAV this weekend for a well known location and it tried to route me to an address across the street and set back from the road a bit. Surprised me as I'm pretty sure I'd used the Tesla NAV for this location in the past.
.124 version.�
Apr 6, 2015
Cyclone efusco, I thought the audio system starting in mute at vehicle start was one of the new features of 6.2. Are you saying you have a bug where it is not always taking effect?�
Apr 6, 2015
efusco That's a 'feature'? Is there a way to disable that feature?
And yes, if it is supposed to always mute, then there's a bug that it does not always do so....but back to my original opinion, why the hell would they make it auto-mute?�
Apr 6, 2015
Rheazombi It should be a configurable option IMO. I've had moments where I got in the car after my SO had been driving it, I sit down in the quiet car and I am suddenly BLASTED with gangsta rap, lol. Starting the car with music on mute would be a blessing in most cases for me
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Apr 6, 2015
dlmorgan999 I'm with you, Evan. I've seen this as well, and also assumed it was a bug.�
Apr 6, 2015
mistagogo Had a 2000km trip over Easter weekend. Very poor trip planner, skipping many superchargers! Sometimes it shows that is impossible to reach a destination, just because it FORGETS a supercharger just on the way. For the same reason it wanted me to drive back 40km to the previous supercharger, because it did not consider I had a supercharger just few more km ahead of me. Bottom line the trip planner must always be double and triple checked. Cannot rely on it yet.�
Apr 6, 2015
Dennis87 P85D does not go to 155 mph like the presskit did say FW 6.2 should enable.�
Apr 6, 2015
onasj Another 6.2 bug: when I approach the locked, charged car, the door handles present, but the charging adapter does NOT unlock in the charging port. The charge port light ring stays blue instead of white. Instead, I have to hold the trunk button on the key fob to unlock it. With 6.1, nearly always the charging port unlocks the J1772 adapter whenever I approach the car and the door handles present.�
Apr 6, 2015
Phil K Same here. The first few days after the update, there was no auto-mute. Then one fine days, it happened several times and I thought I touched 'mute' accidentally. And for the past 2 days, there was no auto-mute again.�
Apr 6, 2015
NigelM I think you're mistaken, the chargeport never unlocked automatically.�
Apr 6, 2015
green1 That seems like a bit of an oversight... Why would you ever want the doors to unlock and handles present, but not want to be able to unplug the charger??�
Apr 6, 2015
stevezzzz I've seen similar, on-again-off-again behavior with mute on entry. It has to be a bug, or it would behave consistently. FWIW, my vote would be not to have the audio auto-mute on entry.�
Apr 6, 2015
NigelM Retrieve something from the car (or place something in the car) while it's charging, or returning to sit in the car and await end of charging etc. Unlocking the chargeport automatically halts charging.�
Apr 6, 2015
dirkhh Correct - that would be quite annoying. And no, my car never did that.
I noticed something else today that I didn't notice before: when I approach the car from the back (the way I enter my garage) the car usually doesn't "see" the key and doesn't unlock until I'm almost at the B pillar. Pressing the trunk button always unlocked things after a very brief pause. But now pressing the button on the UMC plug also unlocks the car and I'm pretty sure that wasn't the case before...�
Apr 6, 2015
efusco To get something out of the car maybe? Or just to sit there and enjoy the beautiful interior?
But the point is right, I've never had it unlock without pushing the button on the charger handle.�
Apr 6, 2015
NigelM Correct, that wasn't the case before. I don't have v6.2 but are you sure it's not just key proximity triggering the door unlock?�
Apr 6, 2015
Rheazombi That would be bad. Don't some charge stations charge you per use?�
Apr 6, 2015
dirkhh I was wondering about this earlier so I tried to test this rather carefully...
Walked slowly to the car. Stood still. Then reached forward and pressed the button on the charge plug. The typical (from the trunk button) ~half second delay and the door handles start extending and the charger unlocks.
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Yes, one charger in a mall parking lot nearby charges you $1.50 per charge session. So this would start a new charge session when you unlock the car. I'm glad this is NOT what the car does.�
Apr 6, 2015
green1 perhaps I misinterpreted, I thought they meant that even pushing the button on the charger wouldn't release the handle because it was "locked"?
I agree that you don't want charging to stop just because you unlocked the car, but you also shouldn't have to reach for the fob just to unplug the car when you approach.�
Apr 6, 2015
NorCalSJ When opening the door I also hear the "something is wrong" noise or chime. But by the time I get in the car there is nothing presented on the main screen.�
Apr 6, 2015
Phil K I agree with you. But I think he meant "when the car is fully charged", and unlocking charge port makes sense then.�
Apr 6, 2015
danp Didn't fully realize it until reading this thread, but I have been hearing the something wrong chime when getting in the car as well, with nothing indicated on the displays. Started with 6.2.�
Apr 6, 2015
rickgt Yup, I get the silly "software update required" and called Tesla... they are "looking into it" --- seems to be a bug.
New "feature" of reducing the volume of sound system upon startup is silly... if volume was low, it mutes. If it was higher, it reduces it by 3 volume clicks...
Have had some glitches with phone, but did a reboot to fix it. BUT, some contacts from phone show up with incorrect labels on phone numbers. For example; the mobile number from phone shows up as other (as do home and office) on the phone screen in Tesla.�
Apr 6, 2015
dirkhh So let's see when the firmware upgrades restart with a newer version. Given that we've identified a few issues here I'm reasonably confident the rollout is indeed temporarily halted.
Just to be sure... Has ANYONE receive 6.2 this week (i.e., Monday or later)?�
Apr 7, 2015
Dennis87 After 6.2 update, the gear stalk no longer illuminates the D, R , N and P letters.�
Apr 7, 2015
stevezzzz I believe mine still does. How do you confirm what drive mode you're in, then?�
Apr 7, 2015
Dennis87 Drive mode does show on the display. But the stalk itself does no longer illuminate.�
Apr 7, 2015
Cyclone I didn't realize the stalk had such lit markings. I only ever noticed the cruise control stalk light. That said, I've also only ever driven autopilot cars, so I haven't seen the older stalk design.�
Apr 7, 2015
dirkhh Neither does the orange LED in the cruise stalk. But that one was documented, the change in the drive mode stalk wasn't, I believe.�
Apr 7, 2015
Dennis87 Yes the orange led in the crusie stalk was documented. (Don't now why they removed it, maybe because it is not easy to see) The drive mode stalk light i did like to have.�
Apr 7, 2015
Lawsteve Back when I first got my P85 in 2013, I was always anxious to get the latest updates. Now I am happy to wait a few weeks and appreciate all of your efforts to work through the bugs before my car is infected with a buggy update. Keep up the good work!�
Apr 7, 2015
NOLA_Mike Yep, something is definitely up with (and not right, IMO) with the audio after the 6.2 update.
In 2 years of ownership of Model S (first a P85+ and now a P85D both with upgraded sound) and all previous software versions I've had it has always behaved exactly the same - the audio quiets down to around "2" when I open the driver's door and has always returned to its previous setting once the door is closed and I'm in the car.
Since getting 6.2 the audio now sometimes mutes itself when I get in, sometimes stays at the lowered "2" volume setting and sometimes behaves like it has in the past (returning to previous setting after getting in and closing door). I haven't been able to place any discernible pattern as to when it does what.�
Apr 7, 2015
scaesare Mine always has.
The charge port unlocks as soon as the door-handles present as a result of fob proximity. The connector itself does not disengage?, however... that still requires the button-press on the charge handle, etc...�
Apr 7, 2015
dirkhh Ah, we're talking past each other.
Fob present: you can tap on the door (new door) and open it, you can press the button and remove a plugged in charger
But the you still have to press the button on the charger in order for it to stop charging and disengage.�
Apr 7, 2015
kmporter After the update, I have noticed some behavior changed when exiting the vehicle. If I do not lock the car when exiting, the dash screen stays on. It changes to the large font showing the battery meter. Previously, it would only do this when it was plugged in. I have noticed this the past 2 mornings at the coffee shop upon returning the vehicle about 5 minutes later. Also, the handles do not auto-present when it was left unlocked.
However, when the vehicle is locked, the screen goes dark and the handles auto-present just fine upon returning. I have auto-present turned on and walk-away door locks turned off.
Is anybody else seeing this, or is it just me?�
Apr 7, 2015
Mark Bloomston I had a similar experience. The Nav is clearly a beta and behaving like one.�
Apr 7, 2015
NigelM I think we're all saying the same thing, it's just about terminology. The chargeport 'wakes up' via key proximity but doesn't unlock, the connector button press sends a signal to the car instructing the car to unlock (and the car responds only if the doors are unlocked).
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Trip Planner was declared as a beta from the beginning:
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Apr 7, 2015
dirkhh I'd say not only Trip Planner is beta but the whole Navigation has gone back to beta.
It does the weirdest things right now, not just with stored addresses. This morning it was offering a truly bizarre route that added 8 miles on a 3 mile trip I've taken many times before - and no, there was no traffic that would have caused that. It was just on drugs...
So yes, Navigation is still missing critical features. But the overall quality of Navigation seems to have clearly gone down in .124�
Apr 7, 2015
onasj I'm the original poster. Sorry for the lack of clarity in my initial post. What I meant is that with 6.1 and earlier versions, approaching the car when it's charged causes the charging port lock to release the J1772 adapter. This isn't a mistake-- it has happened virtually 100% of the days since I took ownership in late December.
With 6.2, approaching the charged car causes the door handles to present, but the charging port does not unlock, and therefore I cannot remove the charging adapter from the port. This happens 100% of the time since 6.2. In order to remove the J1772 adapter from the charging port, I have to manually "open" the already-open charging port door by holding down the trunk button on the key fob for 3+ seconds.
I hope all these bugs are fixed soon-- 6.2 definitely feels like a downgrade rather than an upgrade to me, as the bugs are far worse than the new features are helpful for me at least!�
Apr 7, 2015
benjiejr +1 I noticed some very weird things with navigation under .124 this weekend that I've never seen before. In addition to the things mentioned, I also noticed that if I set a destination and then make a stop before reaching the destination (to take a restroom break or grab a bite to eat were the two instances this happened to me) then return to the car, the navigation seems to be in some sort of half-way state in which it still knows the destination, but the screen no longer has the blue line and the battery percentage estimate. I had to re-enter the destination both times and it worked again. Not a big deal, but a bug that I've not seen before.�
Apr 7, 2015
dirkhh Did you report this to Tesla?�
Apr 7, 2015
benjiejr No, sorry, what is the best way to do this?�
Apr 7, 2015
dirkhh Press the voice control button and say "Bug report" and then explain what's not working.
This also collects data from your car that will help the engineers figure out which version, which car, what other parameters might play into it...�
Apr 7, 2015
NigelM You were perhaps unique in having this 'feature'....there's a whole thread of folks buying the extra remote to pop that lock: Get-J1772-adapter-to-pop-charge-port-door
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Note that the message you report must be less than 10 seconds.�
Apr 7, 2015
NuclearPowered Anyone else having problems resuming a trip after supercharging? I've had it happen twice where the navigation hangs when resuming the route to the next destination post supercharging. It requires the current trip to be cancelled and re-initialized by selecting the destination from nav screen.�
Apr 7, 2015
Benjamin Brooks Yes�
Apr 7, 2015
scaesare I indeed suspect we are on the same page. I look at it this way: In the same way that that the doors unlock with fob proximity, but don't unlatch until you pull the handle, so too the charge port unlocks with fob proximity but doesn't unlatch until you press the button.
I think it's useful to differentiate between the two, otherwise if just having the cable inserted and latched (yet still unlatchable with a button press) is referred to as "locked", then what do you call it when it's both latched and locked in to that position?
Pedantic? Who, me?? :biggrin:�
Apr 7, 2015
Cyclone I do not feel it is pedantic as I have been told that without the fob (or using the app to unlock the car), it's locked so someone could not unplug your car after you leave, even if they pressed the button. So to me at least, there is a distinction.�
Apr 7, 2015
Cottonwood Tesla seems to have a very liberal definition of "Beta" software.
I would consider this version of the Trip Planner, "Alpha" at best...�
Apr 7, 2015
scaesare Indeed. That's one area where it helps to distinguish.
Another is when you use the center console (pressing the ambiguously named "open chargeport" button), it unlocks the port... despite the fact the cable is still latched in to place.�
Apr 7, 2015
dirkhh Queue the discussion how we are all beta testers
This has come up quite a bit in the Model X threads about removing mirrors... I love my Model S (it's my second one already) and wouldn't want a different car, BUT... the quality of the software releases doesn't impress me. And the thought to have safety critical features of the car (like, mirrors) replaced by something that is driven by firmware scares the crap out of me. I currently completely ignore the blind spot warnings because they come on (with red double arg and chime) when I'm safely changing lanes, yet don't alert me when a look over my shoulder clearly shows a car in my blind spot. Don't get me started about the number of times I got the "crash warning" beep. I ended up switching this to "late" (or whatever that setting is) just because it got SO annoying.
Some will say it's the trade-off between getting frequent upgrades with "occasional small issues" and getting no OTA upgrades (and I'm exaggerating more differentiated positions here), but by and large I'm surprised just how many bugs end up in software that is sent to cars of "random buyer" instead of "person enrolled in the Early Access Program"... and I'm betting that by posting this I'm once again ending all my chances to ever be admitted to said EAP...
The navigation software in 6.1 was lacking important features but seemed to mostly work OK. Felt like a 1.0 release to me. Lots of room for improvement, but mostly fine for use by unsuspecting car buyers.
6.2 is definitely a step back, feels like a typical beta release to me (except that only one of the features missing (dropping a 'pin') was addressed). I am sorry, but the average car buyer shouldn't have to deal with software that gets addresses wrong and randomly forgets its destination, randomly decides to route you through a neighboring zip code for no apparent reason.
Let's talk about the Slacker app. Oyyy.
Let's talk about the web browser.
Let's talk about torque sleep.
Let's talk about the trip planner.
Let's talk about blind spot detection. (OK, already did that above)
Let's talk about the collision warning. (ditto)
Tesla is shipping a ton of software that is "early beta" at best to regular customers. Many of us are enthusiasts and used to dealing with incomplete and buggy software. But I spent half an hour with an older gentleman in the parking lot yesterday. He is driving a Mercedes E500 fully loaded and was considering a Model S. And as I was talking to him and was answering his questions about how one would operate a car with basically no buttons, I was wondering how he would deal with all the random bugs and the random changes from firmware version to firmware version.
And I can tell you that I don't want to deal with this when it's not just convenience features but key features of the car. Like for example a mirror replaced by a camera.
OK, </rant>�
Apr 7, 2015
RichardL Completely agree with @dirkhh
All I would add is that the weird navigation was also present in 6.1 - I am still on .115 and had similar experiences - going for a short, main road drive it tries to route me through all kinds of back lanes even though there is absolutely no traffic. The routing definitely needs improving.�
Apr 7, 2015
Cyclone Dirk, I don't even have my Model S yet and I totally agree with you. When my phone or computer's software has an update available, I usually wait a couple weeks unless it has something I critically need. This lets any serious bugs get found and addressed before im a "beta tester" and also prepares me for the changes. Personally, I plan to wait at least a week to apply any update for the S (again, unless it was something critical like we saw with the 2015 braking bug and the 2015 contractors opening bug)�
Apr 7, 2015
brianman Note the underlined word. The presskit was later changed to not include the 155 mph note.
This kind of behavior is the dark side of Tesla's online activities and promises, unfortunately.
To those that might say "But but...they had to because...".
No. If you put out a "press kit" and then have to later make adjustments, leave the adjustments in place and use redlining/strikethrus/etc. with footnotes describing what was changed and why. Don't just retract some of the "press kit" silently, and hope nobody notices. It erodes trust and is generally just a bad idea even if you're not worried about integrity.�
Apr 7, 2015
CHG-ON I completely agree with DIRKHH and wrote perhaps my most prolific post to date, until I deleted it like a spaz. So I'll try again. Oy.
I think Tesla needs to spend more time in Alpha and not move to Bata or end SW product so quickly. I expect the the pressure to be miracle workers from Wall Street, the press, perhaps Elon, and from we users, has much to do with this. Clearly, Tesla has developed a brilliant car. And brilliant software. If they can resist the incredible pressure to crank out the quarterly numbers for stock market valuation, I believe that they will be better served, as will we, because we will get better product. Having been in public companies, I can tell you the pressure to crank out quarterly numbers is intense to say the least. I think that is one of the primary reasons that the USA produces inferior products in many cases.
It is very clear to me that Tesla has the talent to produce high quality SW for our cars. I think an attitude like Apple's, which is "we'll release a product when we are damn well and ready to", might help. Not that Apple is perfect in SW either! But still. A buggy computer is quite a different animal than a car speeding down the road.
Having read all of these posts, I see so many dissatisfied users. That's not good. Personally, I have only experienced meaningful problems with the blind spot system, which makes me think it is not trustworthy. Collision avoidance did actually save my a--, as I was trying to figure out blind spot-ironic. Thank G-d. But until I see repeated complete and flawless accuracy with blind spot, I will not use it.
Think about it: if Apple (or anybody else) brings out buggy SW on your computer, it's annoying. Very annoying. It's very complicated stuff. But if Tesla is pressured so much as to bring out buggy SW in order to please the (sorry) greedy, seven lives could hang in the balance (yes, dramatic). And I am NOT saying that Tesla has done that. We as the users, the market AND the press, must allow them to latitude to GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.
I believe that they have the ability to do it.�
Apr 7, 2015
brianman That's not my read. I finally caught up on the forums last weekend and I see a lot of people making note of issues and calling out room for improvement. That does not imply dissatisfaction. "Dissatisfaction" would follow from phrases like "I might have to reconsider this purchase".�
Apr 7, 2015
dirkhh Let's be clear:
I criticize Tesla for their software practices. I'm frustrated with my delivery experience. I have ZERO faith in any time frame for anything they say in any context ("will ship in...", "will arrive on...", "will be available...", "will be finished by...").
I love my car and certainly am not and would not reconsider this purchase.�
Apr 7, 2015
Judge Advocate 6.2 is quite buggy.
Recently I was driving silently and the phone rang. The sound system started playing music when i answered the phone. No one there.
I hung up, and the music stopped. Don Maclean would have liked that. Kidding aside, this is an annoying issue.
Re routing to a recently charged SC as I try to go home is also not good!�
Apr 7, 2015
Gra55h0pper I thought it was interesting to see the different viewpoints on the blind-spot feature. From my side, I will not expect to ever see "complete and flawless accuracy" with blind spot. On the other end, I *am* using it, already today. I find that checking the instrument cluster, then (if nothing is detected) my mirror, then my shoulder seems to works quite well (although more "practice " is needed to see if I can truly change this into a habit). That said, I do agree the feature can definitely be further improved upon.
i guess the difference may lie in the different expectations different people have from the system. To me, a blind spot warning indicates I better triple check before changing lanes (or wait with changing lanes altogether). The opposite, no blind spot indication does not necessarily indicate it's safe to move over. I will still check my mirror/shoulder to make sure.�
Apr 7, 2015
aneusomy Anyone else having problems with the navigation changing zoom levels but not returning to your desired / preset level of zoom? For instance, hitting the new charger button (top right) lists all the charger locations close by, zooms you out in the process, but unselecting it does not return to the prior zoom level. Or hitting the trip overview button also changes zoom but unselecting it doesn't return to prior level of zoom (this one was also the case in 6.1).�
Apr 8, 2015
spentan Yes, it is a tad annoying�
Apr 8, 2015
Rheazombi I've seen people get up to 155 in a Tesla on youtube. Is this related to the release? Was it given to some countries and not others yet?�
Apr 8, 2015
jerry33 For the past two years (as long as I've had the Model S) every other release is a "bad" release.�
Apr 8, 2015
dirkhh yep, I have it zoom out on me for no good reason...�
Apr 8, 2015
dlmorgan999 Yep. I've had this happen several times, but only when using the trip planner.�
Apr 9, 2015
santana338 Just piling on with displeasure in the change of the audio muting instead of attenuation on entering the car. TESLA PLEASE REVERT THIS (or fix the bug)!
Thanks efusco for pointing me to this thread so I can vent!�
Apr 9, 2015
shadowinstallz i get the same msg "Software Update Required. Contact Service" ... has been coming on almost every other start. Called Tesla and they said to wait another day or so before bringing it in. Also having issues with Navi . I would put in an address that automatically routes through a Supercharger, but then i cancel the SC's and the navi just keeps searching for location and never finds it.�
Apr 9, 2015
Ugliest1 I installed 6.2 2.4.136 on Tuesday night (Apr 7th).
- J1772 still worked the same Wednesday morning, IIRC. Meaning, I do the unlock dance by approaching from the rear, go past the B pillar until the handles unlock/present, then go back and remove the J1772 plug and adapter. (note: not a UMC)
- I had entered several locations for our current trip on Tuesday evening before the firmware was ready (I didn't know it was going to be available). On Wednesday starting our trip, at least two of the locations (the only ones I used that day) worked properly.
- scheduled charging worked perfectly, good thing too as we needed the range for our trip. Was scheduled to start at 4:30am and my iPhone notification said that happened.
Several of the posts above noted version .124, so, perhaps they've fixed these particular ones with .136. Also, I was previously on 6.1 prior to the Tuesday install.�
Apr 9, 2015
NigelM Look on the bright side....at least it prevents anyone Rick Rolling your Tesla.�
Apr 9, 2015
JakeP I don't see why we need this "feature" at all. I love listening to music while I clean my car, and I can't stand that it turns down or mutes when the door is open(ed).�
Apr 9, 2015
santana338 I would be OK with the volume staying the same too. It is the auto-mute that drives me nuts.�
Apr 9, 2015
Rheazombi roll all windows down?�
Apr 9, 2015
Lloyd I've had this same issue on 6.1.179 2 X only�
Apr 9, 2015
redi I'd also like the ability to disable this auto-mute for the same reason as JakeP.�
Apr 10, 2015
JakeP That would work, but I am usually spraying all the panels with waterless wash/quick detailer, and I'd rather have overspray hit the windows than go inside.�
Apr 10, 2015
Forty Creek I was trying to demo the new routing features of the Nav yesterday. The thing got all tangled up and never completely completed the 'route calculations' of a Hamilton Ontario to Miami trip. Later, when I set out from home, the only way I could get the Nav to route me home was by rebooting both screens. Lots of work needed on this aspect of 6.2�
Apr 10, 2015
shadowinstallz Just got another update notification this morning....I am currently on 6.2 (2.4.124), currently updating....�
Apr 10, 2015
dirkhh Yes, it appears that .153 is rolling out. I would really appreciate (and reward with reputation points as long as I don't run out - there's a daily max I can give) entries in the Firmware Tracker�
Apr 10, 2015
shadowinstallz Updated to .153....I was on 3g. I guess it worked anyhow. Don't see any new info on the release info,but I do see a sport mode for acceleration now. Not sure if that was there before. S85D�
Apr 10, 2015
shadowinstallz Also updated on firmware tracker�
Apr 10, 2015
shadowinstallz 
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Apr 10, 2015
shadowinstallz Can someone confirm that the sport mode was not on there prior to .153 update. S85D�
Apr 10, 2015
dirkhh And you consider that a bug?�
Apr 10, 2015
shadowinstallz Lol�
Apr 10, 2015
Brett I got .153 this morning too, and now for the first time in owning a Model S since 08/2013, the Geofence on my Homelink isn't working. The menu to open the garage didn't "pop down" as I approached my home garage.�
Apr 10, 2015
TexasEV Have you tried rebooting? That solves almost everything that breaks after an update.�
Apr 10, 2015
AmpedRealtor The audio bug is killing me. Annoying! I can't believe Tesla breaks the really obvious stuff. Doesn't anybody at Tesla test?�
Apr 10, 2015
thegruf this answer your question?
http://www.glassdoor.com/Job/fremont-qa-engineer-tesla-motors-jobs-SRCH_IL.0,7_IC1147355_KO8,19_KE20,32.htm�
Apr 10, 2015
dirkhh I had a wonderful conversation a little while ago with someone in the larger software team at Tesla. They talked rather openly about the fact that they team is surprisingly small and that there is room for improvement in the way some of the typical software development processes are implemented.
It is quite complicated to do solid testing on a complex firmware package. It's well understood how to do that, but it appears that Tesla was attempting to blaze new paths here, just as they did in so many other areas. It appears that the realities of software development challenges are catching up with them.
It's good to see the job postings, but frankly, I would have expected half a dozen open jobs in firmware QA :-/�
Apr 10, 2015
gpetti This can be useful. I like that if I'm listening to something loud and I open the door somewhere public, the volume is muted automatically. However, I also sometimes wish I could still hear the stereo when the door is open. I think that they could/should implement something like: if e door is open and then the volume control is moved upwards ( even slightly) the volume resumes at normal level. Another thought is that it could just mute for about 10 seconds or so and if the door remains open, it resumes. That might be a bit alarming if someone doesn't know.�
Apr 10, 2015
efusco The original behavior, of dropping the volume to 2 when the door was open worked fine and was not intrusive. The implementation of the current system is terrible.�
Apr 10, 2015
gpetti A bug I haven't seen here (apologies if I have missed this here) is that if the power saving is enabled (display screen) and the car goes to sleep, on waking up, the 3G takes a very long time to recover, almost as bad as after a restart. I'm not sure if this is just in Canada but I know that in2oil is seeing the same problem. .153 has not fixed this.�
Apr 10, 2015
dirkhh I had this happen to me once and was totally baffled by it.
I can only believe that this is a silly bug that slipped through the cracks. There's nothing smart about the muting of the system.�
Apr 10, 2015
Andyw2100 I fear you may be mistaken, and that Tesla thought they were improving the feature. Of course they have demonstrated that they take feedback well, so perhaps they will change the feature back.
One of the reasons I say that I think Tesla did this on purpose is this post:
That poster called Tesla. Though he doesn't say it explicitly, I'm inferring that the second sentence about the volume was what Tesla told him. It seems quite specific (3 volume clicks, etc.), and the way he put feature in quotation marks makes me think that the person he spoke to at Tesla referred to it as a feature.�
Apr 10, 2015
gpetti I'm answering comments about the "original behavior". JakeP was asking why we need this feature and I was commenting on it. The new feature is something else again - and it seems opinion is also divided on its usefulness.�
Apr 11, 2015
JakeP At the very least, this could be a user definable setting for media. Let the owner decide what to do when the door opens!�
Apr 11, 2015
Andyw2100 I think this is once again a demonstration of the need for some sort of advanced menu options, or something along those lines.
There are clearly many, many instances within the software where Tesla simply makes a choice for us, instead of allowing us to choose for ourselves, probably because it's "cleaner" for software implementation purposes and because it won't confuse people who want operating the car, which admittedly already has a lot of complexity to it, to be as simple as possible. The problem is that leaves those of us who want to be able to control absolutely everything we possibly could control, and see every possible bit of information we could see, out in the cold. An advanced menus option, with the choices to go along with it, would solve a lot of problems.�
Apr 11, 2015
AmpedRealtor Jake, when the audio level drops after opening a door, just adjust the volume up using the thumbwheel to bring the audio level back up while the door is opened. Problem solved. The higher volume will stay in effect as long as your doors are open.�
Apr 11, 2015
thecloud That sounds like a "workaround" rather than "problem solved" to me. It's an extra action that needs to be taken, where none was needed before. Those can add up over time to become an annoyance.
Andyw2100 pointed out the reason why we likely won't see an "advanced options" menu to control this behavior. The current number of controls, spread across multiple pages of settings, already presents too much complexity for many people. It's a tough problem. If Tesla made it a hidden option (say, adjusting the volume manually to level L within N seconds of the door-open event remembers to leave that volume level alone next time if it's at L), then people would be confused by that behavior too.
I've seen complaints on the forums from people whose SO or kid cranked up the volume at night, and the next driver was blasted by it in the morning. The muting behavior was probably a response to similar feedback, so any hidden option which maintains a preset volume could be undesirable in the same way.
Maybe the middle ground is to only reduce the volume if a certain amount of time has passed since the last door-open event , i.e. getting into your car in the morning would trigger it, but simply closing the door during a cleaning session and re-opening it within a few minutes would not.�
Apr 11, 2015
AmpedRealtor I think you misunderstood my post. I was telling someone how to pump up the volume while keeping the door OPEN. He was complaining that the sound level drops when the door is opened, and he likes to have louder music while detailing his car. The solution is to increase the volume while the door is opened, which will bring up the lower volume to your preference. The car has always behaved this way.�
Apr 12, 2015
billarnett I agree. An advanced tab would be a huge improvement for me.�
Apr 12, 2015
jerry33 Generally speaking, the more details you can see about how the car functions, the more effectively you can drive it, and in the ideal case the fewer problems you will have. However, you need a certain level of knowledge and experience to be able to use them, which beginners don't have. So an advanced setting would be nice. To protect the beginner, it could be made so that it can't be enabled for 10K miles or so, perhaps overridden by the Service Centre for those purchasing their second Tesla. (Yes, I know this will get howls of anguish.)�
Apr 12, 2015
Andyw2100 This is a fine idea. I'd supplement it with the ability to override and enable if someone passes some sort of verbal assessment. And to discourage people wasting the time of whomever it is that has to administer the test, perhaps have a fee for taking the test, with most or all of the fee returned if the test is passed. I think something like this would be necessary because there are people who learn everything they can about the car, even before having it, who would be able to use those advanced menus, and then there are probably also those that even after driving 10000 miles wouldn't have a clue. You need to enable it for everyone after 10000 miles, but you also need a way to include people who have made the effort to become knowledgeable about their cars.�
Apr 12, 2015
NOLA_Mike A special sequence of icon presses in a predetermined order that is spelled out in the OWNER'S MANUAL would probably eliminate 99% of the people who have no business messing with advanced settings.
Owner's Manual? What's that?�
Apr 12, 2015
gpetti that is funny but accurate. The idea is also to keep this hidden for people who don't care and don't want to see it. For certain options if a user complains about certain behaviours An SC could configure it for them or direct them to the setting.
Unfortunately the more advanced configurations and analytics we are given the more complex the testing becomes. Of course there are already some screens and options which exist that we could be given access to as a starting point.�
Apr 12, 2015
rickgt I have noted the music muting problem... realized that what it is doing is lowering the volume by 2-4 steps. When I leave the car with music playing above 4 on volume, it comes back very soft. If I've left it below 4, it comes back muted.
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I have had the same error "bong" when opening, and the software update required that goes away... called and spent time with Tesla service right after the update. They said they would route this to the engineers, and I have never heard from them again... there are now two updates in the wild since .124 that I have, but I am not lucky enough to be on the list to get them. There are several other bugs that are annoying, so I'm a bit disappointed in this release. The blind spot warning is almost useless: disappointing.
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Incorrect assumption on your part in interpreting my prior post:
I only called them about the "software update required - contact service center" message on my dashboard overtime I started to use the car... That's what they said they would look into and never answered... I don't think that's a feature! Definitely a bug.
The feature was the volume control automatically changing. I was answering another persons question about that. I personally think this new change is not desirable, but somehow the Tesla engineers didn't ask me and didn't make it optional.
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Apr 12, 2015
xy46 Updated to build 2.4.153 on Friday. Added it to the spreadsheet.�
Apr 12, 2015
thimel Got update 2.4.153 on my P85D. The bug where music volume got lowered when opening the door, but not raised back up when the door closed seems to be fixed. It now properly increases the volume back to its original setting.�
Apr 12, 2015
billarnett I would be happy if most or all of the advanced stuff was read-only (and thus not so complicated for Tesla to QA).�
Apr 13, 2015
rickgt Got updated to .153 today... pleased to report that the music issue was fixed, as was the alert message every time the car started... several other minor bugs fixed as well...
the blind spot actually worked better now. put on a blinker when someone was in the blind spot, and it beeped at me in addition to the double red indicator. nice.
The TACC has been tweaked again. Funny, this one is now more aggressive heading to a stop. Liked the first iteration, the second iteration was much more conservative (.124) and this one is more aggressive... No value judgement, just stating how it seems.
There is an option on the music app to do the internet music with higher quality. Takes a little longer on the download, but sounds better.
Had it for a couple of hours now. Will holler if I notice more.�
Apr 13, 2015
brianman I'm noticing it in .153 but I'm not sure if it's that new.
I have a habit (2+ years) of pausing Slacker when I leave the car. When I return to the car, I resume playing as part of my sequence of getting underway. I'm pretty rigorous about it. I do a lot of "save this song for the next drive" -- which is very handy with the buffering when you park underground (out of 3G range).
I've noticed (mostly not underground) that lately when I return to the car Slacker has already resumed (and sometimes is playing a different song than I left). Anybody else run into this?�
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