Oct 5, 2013
PattyChuck Just showed up on the Tesla Model S store...
Shop Tesla Gear CHAdeMO Adapter�
Oct 5, 2013
dsm363 Awesome. They came through!�
Oct 5, 2013
dirkhh Excellent news. That will make a lot of us happy, especially those in the Pacific Northwest where there are quite a few CHAdeMO chargers!�
Oct 5, 2013
NoMoGas Pricey but this just opened up I-40 - Flagstaff�
Oct 5, 2013
dirkhh Definitely not cheap... But this will help when you are traveling off the supercharger enabled main highways. And when you are at your destination.
And it increases the incentive for people to put in CHAdeMO chargers!
70 miles/h is not supercharging but it's much better than AC charging for those of us with just a single charger. And cheaper than a second charger, too!
I'll definitely try to pre-order mine.�
Oct 5, 2013
apacheguy Whoa! Sticker shock for sure. 70 mph isn't great either - I would have expected better. I'm happy with superchargers.�
Oct 5, 2013
Puyallup Bill Agreed not cheap, but much less than I had anticipated. Great for us in the NW. And, if the depiction is actual, a neat package.
Edit: On second thought, those CAHdeMO nozzles and cables are not exactly light weight - looks like a lot of weight hanging on the charge port. Perhaps something like the Roadster adapter, where the heavy nozzle and cable lay on the ground.�
Oct 5, 2013
Cottonwood Something is not adding up...
From Shop Tesla Gear CHAdeMO Adapter:
Take advantage of CHAdeMO�s network of 50 kW charging stations by enabling onboard hardware and purchasing an external adapter. CHAdeMO stations charge at the rate of approximately 70 miles of range per hour of charge with locations primarily in the Pacific Northwest.?
A 10kW 14-50 gives you 28 mph charging, and a 20kW HPWC provides 56 mph charging. Scaling from that, 50kW should provide 140 mph charging. Is this adapter throttled to 70 mph or 25kW? If so, was that done as a cost savings measure, as a marketing decision, or both?�
Oct 5, 2013
Osiris Now we Europeans just need a Frankenplug-Adapter! The Frankenplug adapter should be an easy job, compared to CHAdeMO Adapter?!
Bye the way, I like how Tesla integrated Type 2 into our Teslas. I like I can use Type 2 Charging Stations and will be able to to fastcharging via Type 2. Nice job charging-team @ Tesla.�
Oct 5, 2013
Zextraterrestrial agree CW, 50 kW should be at least 125 mi/hr�
Oct 5, 2013
ZBB Interesting... But pricing looks more favorable for new buyers:
So its $1k for existing owners that have Supercharging enabled.
But existing 60s that don't have Supercharger enabled pay only $400 in addition to enabling Supercharging. And if you haven't taken delivery, looks like you can add this for $400 if you enable SC too...
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Oct 5, 2013
gaswalla The details say it charges at 70 mi/hr.. Isn't it faster than that? That's the same as dual chargers.
Edit... Others have noticed this too�
Oct 5, 2013
trils0n Nice, can't wait to get this adapter. I've had a number of situations where it would have been really helpful.
Are all CHAdeMo stations 50kW or do they vary like level 2 J1772s?�
Oct 5, 2013
ggbjr Right. Was wondering that. For those without supercharging enabled, does an adapter purchase actually enable Supercharging or just the "hardware features" required for CHAdeMO�
Oct 5, 2013
dsm363 So for 85kWh cars it is still $1,000 after delivery?�
Oct 5, 2013
Puyallup Bill Are those rated miles, or ideal? Seems Tesla usually touts ideal miles, and 70 ideal is not really that great. If ideal, that is about 60 rated, right?�
Oct 5, 2013
TonyWilliams Guys, the CHAdeMO standard is currently 500 volts * 125 amps = 62.5kW, and that's not 70 miles per hour!! But, Tesla may have de-rated this adapter to something far lower... we'll know soon.
Since the Tesla products are slightly under 400 volts, the max charge rate from CHAdeMO will be 125 * 400 = 50kW.
At 95% efficiency, let's say 47.5kW, ok? That is 142.5 miles per hour with 3 miles per kWh / 333 watts per mile driving efficiency. Just like the Supercharger, as you get to the top half of the battery charge, the charge rate will start to come down, but I don't image that will happen until about 80% SOC.
Of course, not every CHAdeMO installation is rated for 62.5kW !!!
All of the Nissan branded Sumitomo units are only 44kW. The Fuji units, like the one in San Juan Capistrano, California is only 25kW.
In the future, when CHAdeMO is opened up to 200 amps, you can expect 200 * 400 = 80kW * 95% = 76kW, or about 228 miles per hour charging!!!�
Oct 5, 2013
brianman I'm fairly confident Tesla looked at the "general pattern of chargers currently available" and picked the 25kW cases (such as the Fuji units apparently) and probably drew some number from that.
I highly doubt they've added additional limiting, so I'm not concerned just yet.
And, yes, I've already sent mail asking Tesla to start a pre-order list.�
Oct 5, 2013
EarlyAdopter Does Chademo support the car instructing the charger to ramp down amperage as the battery fills up? If not, then maybe 25kW is the maximum safe charging rate.�
Oct 5, 2013
doug Interesting. Not the design I was told to expect a while back.
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Oct 5, 2013
stopcrazypp Well it's cheaper than I expected (I expected $1-2k). And it's as bulky as I expected (reminds me of those NASCAR fuel cans), but like doug says, it's not what we were told to expect (something that you plug in on the floor, although I guess the problem with that design is rain). I assume this one you plug in the CHAdeMO first and then into the car (doesn't look like it would work the other way around like we expected).
But the power rating has me scratching my head. 25kW (70mph) is only barely faster than an HPWC. Maybe it's not safe to go higher or they have another higher power adapter in the cards (maybe the European/Asian one is more powerful)?�
Oct 5, 2013
nleggatt So if we have faster dc charging stations, will we get better than stated charge rate?�
Oct 5, 2013
stopcrazypp No, most CHAdeMO stations right now support 50kW (although there are some 25kW). Right now this is a limitation of the adapter, not the CHAdeMO stations. It's better than nothing (esp. for those in areas with lots of CHAdeMO stations around), but makes it more iffy if it's worth $1000.
I guess we'll be seeing Leafs complaining about "slow charging" Model S hogging DC chargers (rather than the other way around for AC chargers):tongue:.�
Oct 5, 2013
TonyWilliams All of the modern DC chargers, Supercharger, Frankenplug and CHAdeMO have the car controlling the charger.�
Oct 5, 2013
dsm363 Maybe the 'approximately 70 miles of range per hour' was a typo or a mistake as they start off by saying you can take advantage of the 50kW chargers not 25kW chargers.�
Oct 5, 2013
stopcrazypp Hopefully that's the case. Although even if the car charges at 25kW (70mph) on 50kW chargers, the statement is still consistent. You can't charge faster than the charger is rated, but you definitely can charge slower.�
Oct 5, 2013
Puyallup Bill Well, I for one think I would prefer a box on the ground. That nozzle and cable are heavy and I would think too heavy to be supported by the charge port. But, I guess they have thought it out.�
Oct 5, 2013
stopcrazypp I'm guessing it locks to the car (probably required of most DC connectors) and the weight is supported by the locking pin. CHAdeMO also has a latch that I guess locks to this adapter. If this was not the case, we may be seeing the same melting like with some of the UMC adapters (definitely not a good thing).�
Oct 5, 2013
Puyallup Bill When the adapter was first posted at the store, didn't it say available winter, or something similar? Now it says 'Available Soon'
That could be big trouble, as the center console has been 'Available Soon' for quite a long time.�
Oct 5, 2013
scottf200 I just looked and it says: "For Model S with Supercharging enabled - Available online this winter"�
Oct 5, 2013
Puyallup Bill Correct you are. Available soon in the heading, and this winter in the description.�
Oct 5, 2013
100thMonkey this is great news, hopefully it's 50kW able. the price is lower than expected, low enough that we can group buy some and put them in lock boxes or better yet, WA state can buy one to go with every AV unit in the WCGH!�
Oct 5, 2013
jomo25 Hoping we can get an official explanation for the low miles per hour of charge figure. If it turns out they are just listing conservative numbers, and the adapter doesnt limit in any way, I'm ordering one the moment they let me.�
Oct 6, 2013
Ven Rala I don't know enough about the CHADEMO standard but I don't understand why the adapter is $1000, that seems outrageous to me. Why is it so much more than other adapters? Can someone explain why the CHADEMO makes the adapter so complicated and expensive?�
Oct 6, 2013
ZBB Just curious where you'd plan to use it? All but 3 of the current CHAdeMO units in AZ are scattered around the Phoenix area, with the others in Casa Grande, Picacho Peak, and Tucson. The Tucson one could come in handy for a trip down there, but I doubt I'd even use it and just charge overnight some place (we're going down to Tucson in a month, so have planned this out already).�
Oct 6, 2013
jerry33 1. At $1000, it's only $350 more than a UMC, which is a far simpler device. I really thought that it would be $2500 when announced.
2. The ChaDeMo adapter has to emulate a ChaDeMo car for the EVSE and then translate that into Tesla speak. It also has to be aware of the various types of ChaDeMo EVSEs.�
Oct 6, 2013
Palpatine At only 70 miles of range per hour, that doesn't seem to make sense to purchase this DC adapter. That is not much better than a HPWC.
There are also going to be J1772 chargers around that provide 70-80 amps, which is almost just as fast as this CHADEMO adapter.
If the CHADEMO adapter provided full acces to 50 kW or higher (140+ miles of range per hour) then I would say it is worth buying. But not at 70. Just my opinion.�
Oct 6, 2013
jomo25 Admittedly I wouldnt use it much around town. As you said, Tucson trips perhaps, and certainly for LA trips, quite a few out there. Getting to SCs while in LA may not always be easy (assuming I can get to LA at some point in the future). So having access to use Chademo would be helpful. And I'm assuming there will be some future buildout, though it's not a given. I like (as Elon would say) "optionality".�
Oct 6, 2013
Cheerose But if that's 70m/hr & it doesn't need the 2nd onboard charger, that's 3 times faster than what you could get with a 30A J1772; which is what most places out of California have.�
Oct 6, 2013
dirkhh That assumes you have dual chargers.
This much cheaper than dual chargers and even at 25kW still faster.
And when I look around the places I go, CHAdeMO is more common than 80+A J1772.�
Oct 6, 2013
J1mbo This is fantastic news! Hope the EU version isn't far behind...�
Oct 6, 2013
islandbayy Still pricey, I think I would add a dual charger for a bit more before getting this. Unless, my idea, at least in my area I know 4-5 other MS Owners, a idea (If everyone is comfortable with this) is to pool the money for one, and share it as needed. Since it's really only needed for road trips, whoever is most likely to use it will take it with them, and just bounce it back and fourth as needed. I know it may be handy when going to Dallas/Plano this winter.�
Oct 6, 2013
scottf200 I wonder if the infrastructure/installation of the chademo chargers are *mainly* setup for ~25kW max charging which seems to be what the LEAF (and i-MEV) does?
That is to say Tesla would not want to overtax those chargers and cause a problem. Read: bad PR and backlash from the chademo community.
Charging Power as a Function of Time - EPRI LEAF
EPRI - Elect Power Research Institute - http://www.epri.com/Pages/Default.aspx
Battery Capacitor and State-of-Charge - EPRI LEAF
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Oct 6, 2013
stopcrazypp I'm guessing Leaf owners to should chime in. They probably know the actual average and peak charging speeds at the 50kW chargers.
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There's a couple things. First, the CHAdeMO socket itself is expensive (don't remember off the top of my head but definitely over $100, maybe a couple hundred). Second, it has to handle more power, and as jerry33 points out, it's more complicated than the UMC. I would have expected it to cost even more.
The only thing that makes it not really that worth it is if it's really derated to 70mph. If it's full power (140mph) then I think $1k is probably still worth it for the people who need it.�
Oct 6, 2013
DrComputer Saying that I had to pay Tesla $750 for a J1772 adapter for my Roadster, I'd say that $1K for the CHAdeMO adapter isn't a bad price.�
Oct 6, 2013
scottf200 Another interesting graph about i-MiEV and LEAF charging with a Fuji charger (found Fuji presentation with following)
Google search: charging power leaf chademo chart 80% filetypedf
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Oct 6, 2013
ZBB I was figuring you'd say for LA trips -- I could see it being handy for a road trip once or twice a year (once the SC gap from PHX to LA is bridged)...
The way I see it, I'd need to use this adapter at least 30 times to justify the cost, especially if it would only be used on a couple trips a year. Wonder if Tesla would consider renting them for ~$100/week? Either that, or get 4-5 locals together and go in on a shared one...�
Oct 6, 2013
Palpatine That is my thought also. Get a group of 3-4 local Tesla owners you know and have a shared Chademo adapter.�
Oct 6, 2013
SteveW25561 I think this is a terrific additional option but clearly the value proposition is dependent on local availability -- just for context I thought some maps would help. These are from the CHAdemMO.com's own Google map of stations (
http://www.chademo.com/kml/CHAdeMO_map_in_130817.kml)
Here's a map of North America: WA & OR residents stand to benefit the most.
But you can see why the European market would really need a CHAdeMO solution, especially since there is a paucity of Superchargers there:
Not to mention Japan (wow!) (http://www.chademo.com/kml/CHAdeMO_map_jp_1004e.kml):
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Oct 6, 2013
dirkhh That was my thought as well. I'd buy one and then rent it out to others in the area for $50 a week. Unlikely to make me money, but should at least offset some of the cost. And the only one with an upfront investment is me (so no need to create a little club with bylaws and rules and reasons for things to go south...)�
Oct 6, 2013
efusco SteveW.....
Thanks, those maps are interesting and helpful, but would be more helpful with the Tesla Superchargers superimposed on them. I think that would give a more complete network picture.�
Oct 6, 2013
scottf200 And this corresponds to what the adapter shop pages states:
http://shop.teslamotors.com/collections/model-s/products/chademo-adapter
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Oct 6, 2013
efusco At $1000 this isn't something I'm going to jump on just to have on hand as it's likely something I would rarely need. In fact, the better option might be if Tesla would loan them out rent them out on an 'as needed' basis. I'd much rather pay $100 to rent one for a trip I expect to need it for rather than to buy it outright and maybe only use it once or twice the entire time I own the car. Maybe an entrepreneurial owner will start his/her own rental program.�
Oct 6, 2013
jerry33 The ChaDeMo map looks just as blank as the Supercharger map for the places I would like to travel to.�
Oct 6, 2013
bluetinc That map for the US looks quite out of date. It definetly was missing quite a number of ChaDeMo stations that I know on the East Cost. Here is the Plugshare map that is much more up to date.
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Oct 6, 2013
Mario Kadastik heh, always fun to see our small Estonia on those maps. We've got some serious amount of 50 kW chargers and I'd be very interested in a full 50 kW charger as 25 really is no step up from the twin charger capacity that every single charger in Estonia can do with Type-2 connector next to CHAdeMO at 22kW.�
Oct 6, 2013
Denarius lol, I thought of you when I noticed how dense the chadmo chargers are in Estonia!�
Oct 6, 2013
stopcrazypp The European adapter will be different than the US one, so it's still possible for it to be 50kW even if it's confirmed the US one isn't.�
Oct 6, 2013
RDoc Something to consider depending on where you might use this, is the buildout of the SAE Combo charging plug stations. The stated plan is for many government/power company CHAdeMO chargers to be retrofitted with an additional SAE Combo Plug in the next couple of years, so for many non-Nissan charging points, the CHAdeMO adapter may not be needed. Of course, that's not going to happen overnight.
Presumably Tesla will offer a compatible adapter, or perhaps better, just replace the current J1772 with a Combo plug adapter. The cost shouldn't be much more for the Combo plug than the J1772.�
Oct 6, 2013
NoMoGas So first I saw this...
Immediately followed by...
This is why I love this forum :biggrin:�
Oct 6, 2013
Palpatine Excellent idea. We are already well organized in the Seattle region. I am sure that would be an option internally.
I wish the local Tesla store would do the $50 per week (or $8 per day) rental program if we know we are going on a trip. That seems like an obvious thing Tesla should do.�
Oct 6, 2013
hiroshiy I really hope that it's not derated to 25kW. At least for European and Asian version. Without Supercharger commitment in Japan, and if limited to 25kW charging, only very small number of people will buy Model S.
In Japan major highways (much narrower than those in the U.S. though�
Oct 6, 2013
SouthJerseyJon Group share wouldn't work since the $1000 includes some activation required from Tesla.�
Oct 6, 2013
liuping I think the activation is only required if you do not have supercharger access already.�
Oct 6, 2013
nwdiver Tesla should take this up and work with CHAdeMO station owners to co-locate an adapter at each one; They could probably put an adapter at each station for less than the cost of one SC; Absent that perhaps we could do this?�
Oct 6, 2013
efusco That's a good idea, if there's some way to secure it and assure its availability.�
Oct 6, 2013
stopcrazypp A lockbox like used for some of the Roadster-to-Model S adapters can probably work, although the location would have to be attended.
Otherwise if there's a hole where a chain or security cable can be attached, that would work too and doesn't need to be attended.�
Oct 6, 2013
nwdiver The great thing is... if you can get an adapter locked to most or all CHAdeMO station; Then why would anyone try to steal an adapter?�
Oct 6, 2013
BoscoBoy As a newbie (one week of driving), isn't CHAdeMO DC, thereby bypassing the on-board charger(s), just like a Teska Supercharger station?�
Oct 6, 2013
efusco That is correct.�
Oct 6, 2013
DrComputer Or an even better solution is for the local stores (and/or service centers) to "rent" out the CHAdeMO adapters. Most people will only need them when going on a long trips not covered by the SuperCharger network. If one could just reserve one for your trip then return it when you got back that would be a great solution.�
Oct 6, 2013
JackA I'm buying one as soon as it is available! This is simply another option to the "charging arsenal" and a really good one for Pathway Charging. While CHAdeMO L3 is not Tesla Supercharger strength it is probably good for 90 - 100 miles per hour of charge. (480VDC XXA, maximum is 100A) Most haL2 provide about 40 - 50 miles of range per hour of charge so even mid-range L3 is pretty good while traveling.�
Oct 6, 2013
stopcrazypp Specs of the adapter say it's currently limited to 70mph. At the full 50kW, most CHAdeMO chargers should be able to do 140-150mph.�
Oct 6, 2013
ZBB Read it again... The specs don't say it's limited to 70 mph. Just says "charge at approximately 70 mph".
That sounds like expectation-setting verbiage to me.
Will be good to see some real world tests -- especially on any CHAdeMOs that are known to allow the full 50kW...�
Oct 6, 2013
stopcrazypp Maybe, but 70mph suspiciously corresponds to 25kW which is what the Fuji CHadeMO stations are specified to. And it also does not correspond to the way Tesla rates their other adapters (where 10kW AC is rated at 29mph).
http://www.teslamotors.com/charging#/outlet�
Oct 6, 2013
ChrisPDX I really hope one or more local owners buy one and rent it out. If not, I might have to find a few others willing to split the cost and share. Even split just 3 ways only makes this cost $333 and the chances of the other two needing it the same weekend as I do is pretty slim.
As for the charging rate, maybe they limited it to just 25kW to keep the costs down. Looking at the Tesla plug, it looks a lot like a normal HPWC plug and not what you find at a Supercharger. So by having it just support 25kW, they could use an existing high volume Tesla plug and a cheaper CHAdeMO outlet. Just a thought and I hope I'm wrong as 50kW would be better! Either way, we are about to make a whole lot of Leaf owners pissed off by starting to hog the CHAdeMO stations for hours at a time when they just want their quick 20 minute charge. LOL�
Oct 6, 2013
highfalutintodd There's a ring of CHAdeMO Blink chargers at Cracker Barrels around Tennessee. This would make road-tripping through the state a hell of a lot easier (hi, Gatlinburg, Chattanooga, Knoxville). Might have to pick me up one of these, especially since we're not slated to get any Supercharger love for a couple of years. Wonder what rate the Blink chargers charge at, though. Anyone know?�
Oct 6, 2013
cwerdna ^^^
Re: Blink, keep in mind that Ecotality (the folks behind Blink) has filed for bankruptcy. Off the top of my, I don't know what will happen to their network and public charging infrastructure. My Nissan Leaf Forum View topic - Ecotality filed for bankrupcy and intent to sell all assets is one of a bunch of threads on their bankruptcy.�
Oct 6, 2013
dirkhh Chris, I'm considering buying one and renting it out... Or we could do that together�
Oct 6, 2013
highfalutintodd Whoops. Didn't know that. Thanks for the heads up!�
Oct 6, 2013
cwerdna ^^^
The PDF linked to in the post at My Nissan Leaf Forum View topic - Ecotality filed for bankrupcy and intent to sell all assets also might be interesting...
I don't follow developments w/Blink and Ecotality that closely since I don't have one of their EVSEs and have used their infrastructure 0 times, so far. It is puzzling why Nissan decided to loan them $1.25 million (Ecotality Announces Bankruptcy, Gets $1.2M in Help from Nissan | PluginCars.com).�
Oct 6, 2013
Palpatine It was likely DIP financing as part of the bankruptcy. In some companies where there is value, even in a bankruptcy, it makes sense to fund the company at a minimum level until a new owner can be found. If there was $0.00 in funding, then there would be even less recovery for the creditors. So the company that provides DIP bankruptcy financing is first in line to get repaid, even above secured creditors. It is in Nissan's interest for this charging network to survive and find a new owner.
It is a low risk loan for Nissan to make. They will get paid back first.�
Oct 6, 2013
cwerdna ^^^
Interesting... I figured Nissan wouldn't ever see that money again.
My speculation is that they'd buy the charging network on the cheap and provide free/discounted charging to Nissan EV drivers. But apparently, others had conversations w/Nissan execs recently that threw cold water on the buyout speculation.�
Oct 7, 2013
widodh One thing we have to remember is that CHAdeMO is able to put out 500V DC, but the Model S battery pack is around 370V.
So if the connector is able to handle 125A you end up with: 370V * 125A = 46kW.
46000 / 200Wh = 230km/hour, about 140 miles/hour
So the adapter could be limited to ~70A or they assume a 25kW CHAdeMO station, I hope the latter.
If it is able to handle 46kW I'll buy it, 25kW? Nope, enough 22kW 3-phase charging stations available in Europe.�
Oct 7, 2013
Bipo First pic of the adapter:
Tesla presenta el adaptador CHAdeMO | forococheselectricos�
Oct 7, 2013
scottf200 FYI, it has been on the shop page for a little while: http://shop.teslamotors.com/collections/model-s/products/chademo-adapter
Sure shows the monstrous size of the chademo compare to the Tesla plug tho!�
Oct 7, 2013
Sacrament055 I wonder if those of us with 40Kwh packs will be allowed to purchase it for the $2900 price. That's significantly cheaper than having to pay $11k for the upgrade to the 60Kwh pack + $2500 for Supercharger access.�
Oct 7, 2013
doug I'm guessing no. Having the Supercharger capability enabled is likely a prerequisite to using this adaptor, and the "40kWh" cars need to be updgraded to 60kWh to use the Superchargers.
The pricing is interesting, though. Since Supercharger access is just software, you're essentially paying a one time fee to be able to use the network. The pricing of this adapter represents essentially a $600 discount on Supercharger access. Perhaps they're trying to incentivize 60kWh vehicles to sign up, or perhaps they think with Chademo access, they'll use the Superchargers less. Also interesting that 85kWh model Ss don't have a path for this "discount". That might reflect on Supercharger usage patterns of 85kWh cars versus those with 60kWh packs.�
Oct 7, 2013
liuping The Tesla Gear page does not actually say SC access is enable when CHAdeMO is enabled. all it says is:
"For Model S without Supercharging enabled, on board hardware must be activated to use the CHAdeMO adapter."
Which could mean the HW for direct DC charging HW is enable for CHAdeMO but not for SC.
If the CHAdeMO includes SC access in the $2900, that would make it $100 less than people who paid for SC access up front and then added CHAdeMO ($2000 + $1000).�
Oct 7, 2013
Gizmotoy It would have to, or the pricing is silly. A 60kwh owner would, as you mention, pay $3000 for CHAdeMO + Supercharger, or $2900 for CHAdeMO only. $100 for Supercharger access is a no-brainer.�
Oct 7, 2013
dirkhh The 85s can charge with more than 400V IIRC - it's the 60s that are limited to about 325V... that's why for the 60s CHAdeMO could be really interesting. If they really enable 50kW that is 70% of the max speed we get from superchargers (it's less than half of max for people in am 85).
Actually, I didn't think this through... you say that CHAdeMO does 500V so that means 50kW is only 100A - so the 60s are still stuck at a lower rate, this time 32kW (assuming that 100A number) or close to 40kW (assuming the 125A that you mention). And 85s could get between 40 and 50kW.�
Oct 7, 2013
liuping I agree it seem too high with out SC, but it's also too low with it.
It would mean people who paid for SC access when they bought the car have to pay more for those who waited. That is not consistent with any of the other "add it later" pricing. For example adding SC after the fact is $500 more than at time of purchase. It seems strange that they would change course and now give a discount for waiting.�
Oct 7, 2013
doug Possible, but not likely.
Less need to incentivise something the customer already has. The $500 difference between before and after delivery for this adapter tracks the supercharger access cost before and after delivery.�
Oct 7, 2013
markb1 Actually, my interpretation is exactly that.
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Here's what I think they're saying:
Adapter: $1,000
Enabling CHAdeMO before delivery: $1,400 (possibly requires buying the adapter, too)
Enabling CHAdeMO after delivery: $1,900 (possibly requires buying the adapter, too)
Enabling CHAdeMO + Supercharging before delivery: $2,000
Enabling CHAdeMO + Supercharging after delivery: $2,500�
Oct 7, 2013
liuping Breaking it down like that makes it much more clear and everything is consistent.�
Oct 7, 2013
Crispix TM has already updated the description to alleviate confusion about the charge rate: "Take advantage of CHAdeMO�s network of 50 kW charging stations by enabling onboard hardware and purchasing an external adapter. CHAdeMO stations charge at the rate of approximately 150 miles of range per hour of charge with locations primarily in the Pacific Northwest."�
Oct 7, 2013
dsm363 Thank you. That clears things up significantly and good news.�
Oct 7, 2013
widodh Indeed! Awesome!
So the adapter can handle 50kW, I'm buying it!�
Oct 7, 2013
dsm363 I have a friend in Texas who just finalized his order. If he adds it onto his 85kWh Model S is it only $400 or $1000?�
Oct 7, 2013
RandyS Supercharging is already enabled on 85kWh cars, so all he has to do is buy the adapter for Chademo when they come out later...So it'll be $1000 at that time....�
Oct 7, 2013
Doug_G $1000 is actually pretty reasonable considering what's involved in building one of these adapters. I'd buy one in a heartbeat if there were any places to plug it in around here... I think there might be one station I can access.�
Oct 7, 2013
liuping That's great news! It just went from a maybe to a definitely for me with that change in wording.�
Oct 7, 2013
Puyallup Bill Yes, good news. If correct, then it went from 'no way' to 'maybe' for me.�
Oct 7, 2013
Palpatine Yep, at 150 miles of range per hour (can we use "mrph" to abbreviate that?), this is now in the 'maybe' category for those of us in the Pacific Northwest.
At only 70 mrph it was a definitely no for me.�
Oct 7, 2013
gregincal I would think that if you're in the pacific northwest and like to do roadtrips it's a no brainer. Anywhere else it would definitely depend on specific circumstances.�
Oct 7, 2013
Palpatine The reason it is still only a "maybe" is that we already have really good coverage with Superchargers and 70-80 amp HPWCs and J1772 locations.
From Seattle, there are already Superchargers that cover North/South on I-5 to get anywhere from Vancouver BC to way down south of Portland. And by Winter the entire West Coast will be covered by Superchargers.
Going east from Seattle on I-90, the Ellensburg WA Supercharger should open up most of the trip to Spokane WA near the Idaho border. There are no CHAdeMO chargers that would expand upon the Tesla Supercharger network.
In the few areas that are not covered by Superchargers or CHAdeMO, the Northwest EV clubs have installed 70-80 amp J1772 chargers in strategic locations (Port Angles WA, Winthrop WA, etc). There is no CHAdeMO DC coverage in those areas that would improve upon the 70-80 amp units.
So for me personally, I would have to consider if there is any additional CHAdeMO coverage that would make the $1,000 worthwhile. It might be worthwhile, but not sure yet. At 150 mrph it is worth it over the 70-80 amp units. At 70 mrph it was not worth it. Just my opinion.�
Oct 7, 2013
dirkhh You are only considering the 'travel' part of potential trips. The reason I would have bought this even at 25kW (and definitely will buy it at 50kW) is that it opens up a lot more options for charging at your destination - or maybe I should say "near my destinations".
If you go to plugshare and use the 'more options' to only display CHAdeMO chargers you'll see that this gives you broad coverage all over Western Oregon and Washington. Yes, I've done trips to Sunriver where I then charged at the 110V over night - but being able to quick charge at about 50% of supercharger speed at all these locations is a major benefit. Now going up and down the coast becomes much more feasible as well.
Definitely a yes for me.
And yes, I know - the situation may be very different for others. I'm just trying to point out that superchargers mostly cover the travel part, not the on-location part.�
Oct 7, 2013
Palpatine That is a good point. I did the Plugshare filter on only CHAdeMO chargers and I can definitely see the value. I just signed up for my AeroVironment EVNet Network today. I will likely get the CHAdeMO adapter down the road, especially if they expand the network beyond WA/OR.�
Oct 7, 2013
Tacket 100% going to get this - this opens up a lot of the Oregon Coast and the aforementioned "where to charge once having reached destination" dilemma. I would more than happily rent this out or go in on a small group buy with some other N. Seattle folks. Boo-yah!
... looks weird though.�
Oct 7, 2013
brianman North/South, yes. East/West, no.
But that's improving.�
Oct 7, 2013
Discoducky Superchargers will cover 99% of the current DC fast charging in 3...2...1 (ok, maybe not that fast, but pretty fast). I'm happy to wait.
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Oct 8, 2013
Puyallup Bill Good point on the Oregon coast. This past spring I spent 3 days on 120 volts at Seaside because there is nothing else except a Cannon Beach RV park that charges a full rental for a charge. There is a CHAdeMO at Astoria and Cannon Beach .
I guess I'll spring for it. Let's see - various adapters and extension cords, the $650 Roadster adapter, $1,000 for the CHAdeMO..............
But, the fuel is cheap - I think.�
Oct 8, 2013
sp4rk Now time to get the Midwest Level 3's working. Have to lurk in the Leaf forums to see if any updates. Not had my Leaf for 7 months and back then most of them were not functional.
Anyone here have any updates on the FBI investigation regarding 350green?
From April 2013.
Electric car charging station project on hold - Chicago Tribune
Chicago's car charging feud: Companies battle in court over who should takeover stalled Chicago project - Page 2 - Chicago Tribune
Looks like everyone's bitchin' and have to resolve their differences by end of 2013.
And local Whole Foods have had "Coming soon" on their level 3's for over a year.
While I would get the adapter, it's no value if the network isn't there.�
Oct 8, 2013
Mario Kadastik I think the CHAdeMO adapter is a far bigger news for EU and JP. The difference of 11kW/22kW vs 50kW charging is significant especially considering the relative lack of superchargers right now and in the coming years. I still hope that at some point Tesla will cover the via Baltica through poland to Germany as that's also one of the possible routes Finns would take to europe. But if they don't having a CHAdeMO adapter is for sure good, still hope that the LV and LT colleagues build up at least some infrastructure, this way I could easily visit those countries with my coming MS.�
Oct 8, 2013
widodh Indeed, agreed.
The highway network in Europe is also a lot denser then in the US, so having a SuperCharger on every route is nearly impossible.
For example, driving from my home to Berlin (700km) allows me to take 3 different highways. One route will get a SuperCharger, but the other two already have CHAdeMO.
So yes, for me this is great news.�
Oct 8, 2013
Iggy This gives owners traveling through Central Illinois an extra option.
At the Normal Supercharger location - there is also 1 Eaton CHAdemMO Level 3 -
located near the 5 Eaton Level 2.
Eaton Level 3 Charging Station on Level 2 Uptown Station Parking Deck Normal IL�
Oct 8, 2013
100thMonkey I wish the Super Chargers will ever cover that much. If you are driving straight through and don't plan on turning off I-5 or 90, I guess you are fine but as soon as you start planning trips along the Oregon Coast, or over the mountains in WA etc, every bit of fast charging opens up the options. Folks visiting Seattle or Portland for instance, for an extended stay, will soon be able to drop by a CHAdeMO station and get a fill up quickly, significantly opening up their choices of hotels to stay at and freeing up their time to enjoy touring around. Add wind, Rain, Snow and Cold, as well as a down super charging station and the benefits of all those extra CHAdeMO stations will become very clear, IMHO.
Since we've given up gas completely and the nearly 200,000 gas stations that go with it, I wouldn't mind having more than a few hundred Super Chargers. I'm looking forward to trips in more remote areas that are less dominated by the need to charge.�
Oct 10, 2013
HP832 Look like it was a typo. Tesla updated their website and changed it to 150 miles of range per hour. I will definitely buy this CHAdeMO adapter because there are a lot of CHAdeMO charging stations in Texas.
"CHAdeMO stations charge at the rate of approximately 150 miles of range per hour of charge with locations primarily in the Pacific Northwest."�
Oct 11, 2013
Tacket Now that the announcement has marinated, I'm really really looking forward to this coming out. Would have re-thought the Twin Chargers had I thought this would have been developed so soon.�
Oct 11, 2013
Puyallup Bill Sometimes I don't think Tesla's right hand knows what the left hand is doing.
When they bundled the dual chargers with the HPWC, the rational I received was that the HPWC was the only place the dual chargers were useful. Hogwash. There are 70 Amp Roadster HPCs, a bunch of CS-90 J1772s up in Canada, and soon the CHAdeMO will be available.
Sure glad I opted for the duals when I configured, even though as an apartment renter, they are useless for home charging.�
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