Feb 10, 2016
green1 The videos are marketting, not real. The Tesla one never advertises that AEB will stop the car, regardless of speed, in fact it specifically states that it will not, and that it will release all braking once it drops below a certain speed.
As for the competitors, I admit some of them advertise that it will stop the car, but I don't know if the actual warnings state the same or not. If anything this is a case of Tesla being more honest than the competition.�
Feb 10, 2016
Navyguy
I was going to buy one, but after all the crap I have been waiting it out, first seat belt issue, then the super charger causing one to explode, then this. and even the other faulty issues, it's like the first gen Iphones, any first adopter gets screwed over on their learning curve, I have been waiting for just these things to pop up.
Of course I still follow it and still want to get one, but for now, I am waiting all the bugs, unlike some I don't just rush into things, as well as reading manuals, like these people clearly didn't do as they put too much trust into the system. I am merely saying they shouldn't advertise a feature that does not do what they say it does, weather or not it is legalese in a manual. thats bait and switch. say one thing but it is another.�
Feb 10, 2016
MsElectric If I understand correctly the key is when you hear the AEB beeps that you actually press the brake pedal.
This instructs the car that you indeed want to stop and it applies maximum emergency braking.
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Except Tesla never claimed their driving aids will prevent accidents in cases where the driver is negligent in driving the car safely.�
Feb 10, 2016
Navyguy
Then do not call anything automatic, automatic wipers operate with out any user interaction ASSISTED xx only is an assistance, do not name something AUTOMATIC (EMERGENCY) Braking lol.�
Feb 10, 2016
bareyb I saw a video on TV the other day and apparently what happened there is that the driver touched the wheel and turned off the AP and thus hit the curb. Driver error. The funny thing is the driver didn't even realize he'd touched the wheel. Only on instant replay of the video did he realize what he'd done. I'm guessing that's the case in this scenario too.�
Feb 10, 2016
JimmyAZ Not sure if you still feel this way, but I think this is by far the most intelligent car I've ever driven. After a 2015 M3, 2 X-5's, Porsche, Aston Martin, and lots of regular cars, this one is simply amazing. If AEB is a deal-killer for you, perhaps this isn't the right car for you. I didn't see what the other 2 dealbreakers were for you. But I can kind of understand. We all waited SO LONG for the AP software update for hands free driving. It was later than promised, and blah blah blah. But as soon as we had our hands on it we were all happy kids again playing with our new toy.
If you truly love the car you'll love owning one. But if you want a car that automatically stops for you (outside of AP) then no, this isn't the car for you. It'll alert you and show every car on the road on the display so you know what's in front of you. But you still have to preserve your own life. Don't think that we're able to just trust everything to any car just yet. We'll hopefully get there. But in a world full of crappy drivers - the only time we'll truly be safe is when EVERY car is autonomous.
I hope you change your mind about the car. But either way, just know that those deal breakers aren't as big a deal as you're making them out to be.�
Feb 10, 2016
green1 Maybe we shouldn't call these things AUTOmobiles either then, we'll call them ASSISTEDmobiles instead...
Give me a break! Automatic, has never, in the history of mankind, been the same word as Autonomous, they imply completely different things.
Even using your definition of automatic though (which is completely out to lunch) it still isn't misleading though, because it does in fact apply the brakes automatically, which is all it claims to do, it isn't Autonomous Emergency Stopping, it's Automatic Emergency Braking, which is EXACTLY what it does, there's no possible better explanation of the system.�
Feb 10, 2016
JimmyAZ I agree with green1. Stop with the semantics! It brakes automatically to reduce the severity of the impact. Autopilot in a plane flies the plane, but it is in NO way a replacement for a pilot. This type of whining, especially from someone who doesn't even think he'll own the car, is just boring to me.�
Feb 11, 2016
docherf AEB isn't a tesla product. It's made by 3rd parties like TRW. It's becoming standard. NHTSA & IHSS recommend it and 10 major manufacturers agreed to make it standard on every auto. The last several cars we've bought have it.
Not sure why anyone would not want it. It'll be hard to buy a car soon that doesn't have it (like airbags, abs, etc).
Even if you don't have, you'll be glad if the person that rear-ends you has it. Getting hit at 10 mph as opposed to 40 mph is significantly better for your spine!�
Feb 11, 2016
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Feb 12, 2016
dhanson865 * seat belt issue, what one person noticed a bolt loose that caused no injury or death? Compared to other car manufacturers with actual issues that cause injury and death.
* supercharger causing a car to explode? Are you on crack? Never happened, never will.
There was a car that got hit by lightning in the US while at a supercharger but it didn't explode. Tesla repaired the electrical damage.
There was a car in Norway that caught on fire but it didn't explode and it wasn't related to supercharging.
There was a car in Mexico that caught on fire but it didn't explode and it wasn't related to supercharging.
I could go on and on detailing Teslas that got damaged somehow but I can't give you an example of one exploding.
Would you care to inform yourself about what really happens in the world or do you just want to run around saying Tesla's explode because you like the way that sounds?�
Feb 12, 2016
msnow You're feeding the troll.�
Feb 21, 2016
davidc18 If/When you get one, your only regret will be that you didn't get it sooner.�
Feb 21, 2016
John Stuckey I have not had good luck on curves with cruise control; almost ran into the back of someone before I hit the brakes hard - 35mph. Curvy roads are not my friend, cruise control or AP. AP does not like 90 degree turns at 25mph. It makes them but uses both lanes to do it. I hope I'm more wary now and less apt to "test" the limits. I use 7 for a following distance because I live in a less congested part of the country.
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sandstruck: Thank you. I appreciate you contributing to my education and my family's safety by prompting this discussion.�
Feb 21, 2016
calisnow Navyguy can't afford a Tesla - anyone who has seen his prior threads knows this - in fact I think he didn't even get approved for financing. No insult to him but he has a low net worth and a low income - these "deal breakers" are sour grapes.�
Feb 21, 2016
mkjayakumar 90 degree turns on a highway you are attempting on AP? Are you and Navyguy the same person using two different IDs?�
Feb 21, 2016
bswn1 That's really unfair to call him out this way, even if he is a troll.�
Feb 21, 2016
satoshi Snob of the year award worthy comment right here...�
Feb 21, 2016
jbcarioca Just to clarify, TACC step calibration is in seconds rather than car lengths. thus a setting of 2 means the Tesla will occupy the same space of the vehicle ahead right now, two minutes in the future. That setting of 2 yields a pretty decent interval, probably quite close to the classic driver training recommendation of one car length per ten mph of speed.�
Feb 21, 2016
calisnow Not trying to be a snob - I went through many years of low income and low net worth myself. We've all been there.
But with this poster there were long discussions where people tried to tell this guy he was in no position to buy one, that he was shooting himself in the foot financially, etc. etc. He wouldn't listen to reason. Then he didn't financed anyway and publicly told everyone so. Now he's back claiming there are multiple "deal breakers" with the car itself preventing him from buying one.�
Feb 21, 2016
msnow Yeah but the best way to deal with trolls is to ignore them.�
Feb 21, 2016
Andyw2100 This isn't true. Ignoring the simple mistake of replacing "seconds" with "minutes" in the second part of the above, the documentation for TACC explains that the settings are relative, but don't represent any particular unit. I'd have to dig up where I've read that, but I've read it a number of times. I'll check the manual and see if I can find it there.
Edit: This is what the manual says--
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Adjust your following distance
To adjust the distance you want to maintain between Model S and a vehicle traveling ahead of you, rotate the cruise control lever to choose a setting from 1 (the closest following distance) to 7 (the longest following distance).Each setting corresponds to a time-based distance that represents how long it takes for Model S, from its current location, to reach the location of the rear bumper of the vehicle ahead.
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Feb 21, 2016
calisnow Very good point lol�
Feb 21, 2016
mkjayakumar Any time someone refers to the fire boogeyman, they lose my respect. And especially so when they have 'explosion' in the same sentence.�
Mar 8, 2016
Todd Burch I was skeptical about this thread, so I've been looking for evidence of odd TACC-related behavior. I hadn't seen anything odd. Until today. (Note: I've been driving the S since Dec. 2012, and I have over 70,000 miles driving the Model S. I have probably logged an average of about 20 miles a day on autopilot since it came out. So this isn't just a misinterpretation of something).
I was in the center lane of a three lane urban/suburban road with no traffic directly ahead of me and Autopilot on. About a quarter mile ahead, traffic was stopped at a red light. Since TACC brakes a little harder and later than I'd like, I disengaged it and started regenning. When I got to the point that the stationary car ahead of me (waiting at the light) was about 100' ahead, I reengaged autopilot (at this point I was probably going about 25mph). On the dash display, the stopped car appeared "fading in" from a distance in front of me in my lane, as expected.
My car gently slowed and stopped with appropriate spacing behind the car in front--so all good here. But I noticed after sitting still for a few seconds, that the brakes very slightly released and the car inched forward (I had no feet on any pedals at the time--autopilot still engaged). After stopping for a few more seconds, the car inched forward a bit more.
Throughout this time, the car was depicted on the dash in front of me.
Finally, after a few more seconds, the brakes released and I started accelerating toward the car in front! The acceleration was slow--exactly like you would get with TACC engaged and stopped traffic starting to move in front of you again. So if you're paying attention, you can stop the car without a collision risk. But if you've closed your eyes or are not paying attention, I can see how you might run into the car in front of you at about 10mph.
Again--throughout this time, the car in front of me was depicted on the dash display. It seems like the radar got a little confused. The car in front had been stationary, and TACC seemed to get a lock on it, but that lock didn't seem to hold.
So, word of advice: don't space out completely when sitting behind stopped traffic with TACC engaged...particularly if the car in front of you has been completely stopped since TACC first acquired it.�
Mar 8, 2016
drsaab In the latest autopilot I have seen my car go from a full stop waiting behind a car at a traffic light to accelerate towards the car still stopped in front. And the car in front always in the display.
My car did stop again about 13" inches behind the car in front.
It was not just a creep forward but was actual acceleration.
Also when it did stop it ended up in hold status (not The new brake hold feature) and I had to manually accelerate when the light turned green vs normally it stays on autopilot and will continue the journey when the light turns green.
Quite strange.�
Mar 8, 2016
Todd Burch Drsaab,
Your experience sounds similar to mine. I did not let the car get close enough to see if it would have stopped again--it's certainly possible.�
Mar 8, 2016
JimmyAZ This has happened to me as well! It's usually a much slower creeping movement. I don't notice any acceleration, so I just assume that it's getting to a closer distance that it feels is acceptable. But it keeps getting closer and closer and closer. When you're within parking sensor range, I feel like this is unacceptably close and I dissing gauge autopilot. I have no idea what's happening, but if I disengage autopilot and reengage it in the same location, it seems to be fine again. I hope they figure out what the issue is!�
Mar 9, 2016
orlenok Same happened to me a couple of times. I don't see how this could result in a collision though. I never disengaged (although was ready to do so every time) and the car came to a stop by itself in "hold mode".�
Mar 9, 2016
zambono seems like a bug or at the very least not acceptable behavior that should be reported to tesla via their official means�
Mar 9, 2016
Andyw2100 Yes, definitely!
I expect Todd has already submitted a write-up similar to what he posted above to [email�protected]. Anyone else seeing odd behavior like this should definitely report it. That's how important, potentially dangerous problems in the software get fixed.�
Mar 9, 2016
Whitmarsh Could Creep have anything to do with this?�
Mar 9, 2016
Todd Burch No. Creep is disengaged on my car.�
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