Thứ Bảy, 24 tháng 12, 2016

Supercharging to be uncoupled for new owners - lowering price of S/X part 3

  • Sep 8, 2016
    ohmman
    So.

    Supercharging. Uncoupled. S, X, 3.

    If Elon were to hurry up and write his blog post, maybe we could get 8.0, and maybe in turn we would get more information on this decoupling and how credits will work.
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  • Sep 12, 2016
    WannabeOwner
    In UK:

    2014 - 14 superchargers opened
    2015 - 17 added
    2016 - 3 added (and a 2015 one has closed, plus one has a status "Construction") :(
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  • Sep 12, 2016
    u00mem9
    Good info. Is there anyone with similar info handy for the US? It would be especially interesting to compare 2016 plan to actual.
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  • Sep 12, 2016
    SageBrush
    In my neighborhood NONE have been built in years

    [/sarcasm]
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  • Sep 12, 2016
    MP3Mike
    From supercharge.info in the US:
    2012: 8 opened
    2013: 44 opened
    2014: 96 opened
    2015: 104 opened
    so far in 2016: 48 opened (13 under construction, 14 permitted)
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  • Sep 12, 2016
    WannabeOwner
    I counted them off Supercharger.info

    Select the DATA tab
    Select REGION then COUNTRY
    Click on the column-heading for "Open Date" so that the list is sorted by date
    Manually! count the number opened per year
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  • Sep 12, 2016
    SageBrush
  • Sep 12, 2016
    MP3Mike
    You didn't limit your counts to only open Supercharger locations, so they are mildly inflated for 2016 permitted/under constructions sites. (At least for the grand total.)
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  • Sep 12, 2016
    SageBrush
    Yep
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  • Sep 12, 2016
    Topher
    Anything interesting to know about that China number (109)? I was surprised.

    Thank you kindly.
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  • Sep 12, 2016
    SageBrush
    That is the one that caught my eye too.

    I presume it means that Tesla is yet another company that sees China as the up and coming Economic Superpower.
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  • Sep 12, 2016
    WannabeOwner
    Wasn't the rollout supposed to be doubling by end of 2017 (compared to 2015) - so 215 increasing to 441)?

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    Some way to go then ... the 2016 rollout, in Europe, needs to get a wiggle on too!

    SuperCharger.gif

    12 of those are in Hong Kong, which might be considered a separate region (restricted ability for off-street parking / charging perhaps?)

    12 are in Shanghai ... perhaps the same off-street parking issue there? seems a lot for within a city ...

    Other than that ... its a big country :)
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  • Sep 12, 2016
    WannabeOwner
    Whilst I'm having fun cutting & pasting:

    SuperChargerUSA.gif

    SuperChargerAsia.gif

    SuperChargerAustralia.gif
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  • Sep 12, 2016
    KublaConn
    I live in a state that covers the same area as roughly Paris to Budapest and Hamburg to Florence and we currently have a measly 14 Supercharger stations, so I'm not exactly crying for Europe or the UK right now. :)
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  • Sep 12, 2016
    MP3Mike
    Those numbers were for the stores/service centers, not Supercharging locations. For Supercharging they didn't count by the number of locations, but by the number stalls.

    At the Model 3 announcement they said that they had 3,608 Supercharges and that there would be 7,200 by the end of 2017.

    Here is what I show the stall counts are by year:
    upload_2016-9-12_19-15-29.png

    So they have ~15.5 months to add 2,937 stalls. (Or ~189 stalls/month, or ~24 locations/month. Figuring an average of 8 stalls/location.)

    Will they make it? Maybe, maybe not. Depends how much they step up the pace over the next year.

    Note those counts include what Supercharge.info has as under construction and permitted.
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  • Sep 12, 2016
    SageBrush
    I get the impression that Tesla has been pretty even handed in SC installations if you look at Tesla_EVs/capita. China may be an exception.
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  • Sep 12, 2016
    ohmman
    I was about to post this (nearly) always relevant xkcd, but realized you're in one of the more populous states in the US. Granted, the population is pretty discretely focused (Houston/Austin-SA metro/DFW/El Paso) but you're absolutely right. There need to be more Superchargers in your area.

    For reference, anyway, here is the comic. Population density does, to some degree, dictate Supercharger density. But I agree, not in your case.

    heatmap.png
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  • Sep 12, 2016
    KublaConn
    Second most populous state in the Union, but yes, due to size and geography we have a weird population density profile. If you cut the state about in half, the eastern portion would be very dense and the western portion would be very spread out. This is part of the problem with the Supercharger buildout, the western parts of Texas pose some definite logistic problems when it comes to finding decent spots to locate them.
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    I would frequently see a new SC in Germany appear on supercharge.info .. at which point I'd check it out and grumble when I found it was in a location which had 6 other SCs less than 80 km away!
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    Sure! But looking at all the maps they all seem to be behind target ... unless there is going to be a grand reveal at the end of the year!
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    Understood, but at this point, that's just standard operating procedure. When it comes to the Supercharger network, there has never been a time when Tesla hasn't been behind on what they have promised. The problem lies with a broken "promiser" more than anything else. Tesla seems to have inverted the standard and have adopted the practice of "over promise and under deliver", especially when it comes to timelines. They seem to be able to get away with it for now, while they're still "pioneers", but I suspect that model isn't going to be a goer in the not too distant future. Fanboys will tolerate such nonsense, and mark it down to "an overly optimistic enthusiasm" on Tesla's part, but the mass market won't be nearly so forgiving. But, as long as you're the only guy who's delivering the goods, it doesn't really matter all that much, does it? Sitting on the edge of your seat in anticipation can be exciting, but it's not exactly the most comfortable way to position oneself for the whole show.

    Edited addendum in anticipation of expected responses to my use of the word "promise": Yes, I realize that it's just a "suggestion" more than a "guarantee", but let's be honest, when a company puts up a projection for year end results, it is natural and reasonable to expect those projections to be based in reality and end results to be at least somewhat CLOSE to what was projected, no? Especially if said company has been coming out with these projections for multiple years now.
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    lol
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  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    Yup, with you there, and I've gone along with all the other Promise and then deliver "when available" before, but the imminent arrival of 10x as many cars, in the shape of M3, is causing me to be keen that the Supercharger network expansion doesn't slip. In the UK getting Planning is probably the biggest headache to predicting timing, maybe elsewhere in the world too ... but if, instead, it is because of a redirection of finance to "more urgently needed sectors" that would be a worry for me.
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