Feb 6, 2013
Todd Burch Hi guys,
I'm working on a poster that can be printed and displayed on an easel at car shows. Here's my first draft. Any feedback is appreciated.
(Note: Keep in mind this will be printed on a 4 ft. high poster, so keep scale in mind):
Edit: From the future of this thread, I've added a direct link to the latest version of the poster here:
http://www.filedropper.com/modelsposterfinal�
Feb 6, 2013
vfx Really good!
To the Lowest drag line I would add the word "ever".
Answer the charge time question. (drop transmission or add to Fuel line)
Consider dropping the white car window thru red. the center profile has none.�
Feb 6, 2013
Todd Burch Thanks Eric...I know you're somehow involved in the graphic arts (motion graphics? Computer animation?) so thanks for the feedback. (Seriously...your screen name totally gives it away, hehe)�
Feb 6, 2013
stevezzzz That's really very good, Todd. Where is the part where it says 'Privately owned vehicle: ask first before you touch!' ?
Something came across the wire recently about a new sedan with an even lower drag coefficient..can't remember who makes it, though.�
Feb 6, 2013
Todd Burch BTW, didn't the EV1 count as a production car? It had a lower Cd.�
Feb 6, 2013
jwal may want to change the year to 2013 :wink: (unless your car is from 2012, then it's your call)�
Feb 6, 2013
Todd Burch That'll be taken care of with separate signs, ropes, chains, and booby traps!
Mercedes CLA....but it won't enter production until September, I believe.
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It's a 2012...but maybe 1.0 makes more sense? Throw everyone for a loop?!?�
Feb 6, 2013
vfx I talked with a Tesla aerodynamicist who said the the Model S would beat the EV1 in today's wind tunnels.
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I believe it was Mercedes and is not in production.�
Feb 6, 2013
kinddog Thank you for putting 3.9sec as 0-60. about freakin time.
That said, since you gave the full price range, you need to include the full range of accel times across models. kind of misrepresentative how you have it now...�
Feb 6, 2013
brianman Reportedly 0.195, yes.
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So the tech of the tunnels has changed? Is this like EPA 2-cycle vs. 5-cycle? If so, it sounds like Wikipedia (and others) are due an update to reflect the different scales.
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Yes. Some of you might remember that the Model S was originally touted as 0.22 so it will be interesting to see if Mercedes's numbers make it to production vehicles.�
Feb 6, 2013
GeekGirls I love the layout. It's great at drawing you in from a distance, and there's lots of good information to ponder once you're hooked. I do feel that it's a little too wordy and would tighten the text up wherever you can, but there's nothing I'd lose altogether. One minor nit: the "lowest drag" bullet point probably shouldn't be hyphenated and the second line should be indented appropriately.
Even without a single change it's going to turn some heads and hopefully change a few minds as well.�
Feb 6, 2013
joefee Too many fonts/colors/backgrounds IMO. Also, since the car will be there, take out Model S line drawings.
Great idea�good luck with it!�
Feb 7, 2013
Todd Burch OK, here's version two. I tried to address all comments:
Seems a little controversial with the EV1, even though the Tesla aerodynamicist said the Model S was better. Hard to substantiate. So changed wording to show lowest drag coefficient of any car on the road. Neither EV1 nor MB CLA are on the road.
Done. I tried to stay realistic with both Supercharger (1.5 hrs) and 240V 80A (3-4 hrs).
Dropped the white car altogether.
Car is a 2012, so decided to leave it that way.
Good point. Put the price of the performance version and clarified it as so.
I thought it was too wordy and full of text as well--so got rid of the line drawings, made text more concise, and added some empty space. I think it helps.
There's only one font on the whole poster. 4 colors: black, white, yellow, red. Line drawings are gone. Needed something to break up the areas of text. Taking out the "boxes" makes the poster appear a little bit *too* boring. Tried to improve this some.
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Feb 7, 2013
Plug Me In Todd, thanks for showing the flag for Tesla. Looks good. My $.02 - I would use "unparalleled" or "unmatched by any other car" but not both,as IMO, it makes for a redundancy in the sentence.�
Feb 7, 2013
Todd Burch Great point! Goes to show how helpful it is to have other sets of eyes on your writing! I didn't even notice!�
Feb 7, 2013
jerry33 Mostly this is a great job. I have three comments:
1. The "Model S" has too much space between the letters. It would look better if it was the same width as the Tesla above it.
2. The introductory paragraph is too long. Dump the "Model S has garnered" sentence because it repeats the awards bullet points, and make the "Free fuel for life" a bullet point in the top yellow box.
3. The year at top isn't important, I'd get rid of it. By doing so you reduce the number of fonts by one and it will look a lot cleaner. It will also allow those with a 2013 Model S to use it.�
Feb 7, 2013
vcor Looks really nice! While I think you're correct on the supercharging, perhaps saying "150 miles in 30 minutes" is easier to comprehend, and makes more sense in that the superchargers are typically 120 miles apart so the timing at superchargers are often less 30 minutes.
I might also trade the line about "remote diagnostics/software update" (which is cool), with "Remote control via iPhone/Android app" or something like it (which is even cooler!).�
Feb 7, 2013
Todd Burch Great suggestions!
OK, I think it's looking even cleaner now!
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Feb 7, 2013
vfx Your first version was balanced from top to bottom. Now it's visually top heavy.
Not digging the yellow. The gray was much more Tesla-esque
Graphically the headliner TESLA looked better over the Tesla "T" when you had the date there. Consider going back to the old TESLA over T overlay relationship just without the 2012 date and skooching the whole T and it's adjoining art up a bit towards the top.
The edge to edge upper paragraph worked better than having space on either side.
Try center paraghraphing the awards without bullet points
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Since you dropped the MY you might add there is a 50K version as well (you will be saying it a lot anyway)�
Feb 7, 2013
RKM Great work Todd. Will you give your permission for others to use this?
One nitpicking comment... You show a range of rpm of 0-5100 after the torque rating. Many will know that this is the torque rating through 5100 rpm, some may interpret it to mean that the maximum rpm is 5100. I realize you need to minimize the text on the poster, but I think the maximum motor rpm is part of the wow factor of this car and EVs in general. I'm not certain what the max rpm is (15000?), but would be nice to include that too!�
Feb 7, 2013
Todd Burch Thanks all. More good observations. I think we're getting close now.
Absolutely. I can provide the full-size Photoshop PSD file (3675 x 5475 pixels), made for a 2 foot by 3 foot poster. Can also provide in PNG or other formats as well.
Here's a slightly smaller version of the latest so it's a little easier to get a feel for the overall poster on a computer monitor.
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One more thing: in the latest version I posted, the specifications area uses "MPH" in some places and "mph" in the other. I've corrected this so they all use "mph", but felt it wasn't worth uploading again since it's such a minor fix.�
Feb 7, 2013
Babylonfive Great stuff Todd. Makes my little 'promo card' look like crap!
p.s. the kerning on MODEL S is a little wonky - can you make the spacing on MODEL a little tighter and the spacing between MODEL and S a little more?�
Feb 7, 2013
Todd Burch Done.
OK all, I've uploaded the raw .PSD Photoshop file for this to sendspace, if you're interested in downloading/modifying/printing/whatever.
Link: http://www.sendspace.com/file/zgh8jp (19.62 MB, .zip file)
Enjoy!�
Feb 7, 2013
joefee Thanks Todd!�
Feb 7, 2013
brianman If you're done, gratz. If not, here's some more nitpicks to mostly be ignored but some perhaps considered:
- The space between the letters of "MODEL" is good, but you need more between "MODEL" and "S". It blends together into "MODELS" quickly, especially at a distance.
- The yellow to gray was a great improvement.
- The "MODEL S" font looks normal or thin, while the rest of the sheet looks bold or thick. I prefer the former. Especially for the specifications section. I'd go with a "generally thinner" font but still sans serif family.
- I think your previous "on the road" (instead of "of any car") works better from a correctness standpoint, and because it keeps "any car" from showing up on two lines in a row.
- I think you bolded "for life" but it doesn't really show up well. Italics might. But it might also look too busy.
- If you want to have a little (more) fun with it put a small font disclaimer below the specifications box. With text something like...
Great work, these are just nitpicks.�
Feb 7, 2013
vfx Much better!
Consider moving asterisk to after the )*
Just trying to out nitpick Brian!�
Feb 8, 2013
mnx May I suggest that saying "American car maker Tesla Motors in Fremont Calfornia" is redundant? Everyone knows California is in the US right?�
Feb 8, 2013
Martini I would eliminate the box of bullet points in the middle as it is largely redundant to the text above and specifications below, and increase the font size and white space for the text that remains. Some of the superlatives in the box of bullet points can be integrated as contextual information in the specifications if you choose. Also, the picture of the blue car is slightly higher than the red one, so I would level those out (you might also consider eliminating the blue one and sticking with the red only, in larger scale).
Under the specifications, you might consider changing the unit for charge rate from MPH to "time for full charge", as MPH has a different common understanding. For operating cost, I would delete the second "approx" as it is redundant. The specifications are a bit unclear in terms of definition. The 0-60 and 1/4 mile times are claims for a specific car (the same car or two different ones?) while the price is given for a couple of different configurations. You should give specifications either for the specific vehicle displayed or use Tesla's numbers as they give them.
The black bar containing the text "MODEL S" divides the Tesla "T" logo and makes the bottom part of the logo look like a bit of an orphan. You might consider using transparency to clarify this.
Agree with mnx that "assembled by Tesla Motors in Fremont California" might be a better wording.�
Feb 8, 2013
mknox Is it actually the quickest American sedan? GM's official 0-60 numbers for the Cadillac CTS-V is 3.9 seconds (with the standard 551 HP V8). The Hennessey 1,000 HP version (which can be ordered through some GM dealers) is much faster, but since non-stock would not be a fair comparison). Not trying to take anything away from all of the other Tesla benefits... just a little nit-pick on the "fastest" claim.�
Feb 8, 2013
arondaniel Good job on the poster, very informative. Have fun at the auto show. Where exactly is it? I think I'll be in town that weekend, but will be a hard sell for my wife.
Listing the specs for model s is kinda tricky, it looks like your specs on the poster are for MSP, and your car is a MS 80kwh? Ideally would have 4 columns of specs (40,60,80,MSP) but hey Tesla should already be compensating you for doing their marketing for them.�
Feb 8, 2013
bbmertz I would prefer to keep the middle text box, but revise the third bullet to read as "Free access to Tesla supercharger network." Overall, great work, Todd!
Let us know how the event goes. I attended a small EV event at our local high school last weekend and really enjoyed speaking with current and prospective MS owners. (Didn't have to worry about anyone mistreating my car since unfortunately mine was at the service center, but there were 4 other Tesla owners in attendance with their cars.) incidentally, everyone thought the dash.time4tesla.com website with the clock, weather and stock quotes on the 17" screen was really cool.�
Feb 8, 2013
teslasguy Looks great! Good job. I would also love to get a high quality file of this to make posters and/or handout cards.�
Feb 8, 2013
ToddRLockwood Hey, TB. Nice job. The only thing I would change is the Operating Cost. 3-cents/mile won't mean much to the average person. Instead, I would give them the average cost to go 300 miles.�
Feb 8, 2013
vfx box at bottom change?
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Feb 8, 2013
celter I think you should use the same colour on the cars.�
Feb 8, 2013
Todd Burch Wow, tough crowd here
I'll try to tweak this.
I'll try to tweak. I wanted to be careful to make sure the text is still visible from a distance.
I'll tweak.
Will give this a try.
Funny idea. Not sure if it will fit, but I'll try it out.
Will do.
Also a good point.
Not quite redundant, IMHO, but I'll be tweaking these.
I'll level them out. That's the highest resolution I can find. Any larger and they'll look bad when printed--plus I want to show a front quarter and rear quarter view.
I recognize that, but if people can't figure it out, and they care, they'll ask. The problem with using "time for full charge" is that charge rate tapers dramatically near high
SOC. When using the Supercharger network, they're spaced such that you don't have to fill 'em up. As a result your charge stop is much shorter.
For instance, at a Supercharger you might just stay 30 minutes to get 50% (150 miles) of charge (if you come in near a low SOC), which sounds much better than saying that an empty-to-full Supercharge takes ~1.5 hours.
Well the cost per gallon makes a different set of assumptions (such as 30 MPG), so they aren't really redundant...but you're right--I'll try to merge these two.
Same car.
They are all prices for the performance version. The only difference is in options (sunroof, sound upgrade, etc.)
I am using Tesla's numbers as they give them. Just like in auto shows, when they give a "base price" and a "fully equipped" price. Only difference here is I'm using a base performance price, not base 40 kWh price.
I'll fiddle with this.
Motor Trend and another article (was it Road & Track? Car and Driver?) confirmed this. Google "Model S quickest American Sedan". 3.9 s for the CTS-V is a marketing number. From the comments I've seen from reputable car magazines, the P85 is quicker.
Thanks! I believe it will be in Carrollton, VA...but not quite sure yet. It's probably not going to be some gigantic show...just a local area car show.
I have the non-perf 85 kWh model. I have no problem showing specs for the performance version. It's a car show. It's about getting respect for Tesla and EVs in general. I'm going to post the numbers for the top of the line model. If someone asks, I'll tell them mine is the non-perf model. Not a big deal IMHO.
Thanks--I'll revise this.
Hmmm...good point. I think the 90cents/gallon sure makes sense...but yes, cost for 300 miles seems better than cost per mile!
Lemme incorporate these 500 other changes and I'll give it a try
Me too. Alas, I live in a world with limited available staged photos of the Model S--and unfortunately don't have that luxury. I think it's OK to show two different colors though.�
Feb 8, 2013
sp4rk We're designing similar stuff right now for Tesla Owners Illinois group ... and the one question we've come up with is ... are groups that are completely unrelated to TMC allowed to use the company logo, etc.?
Copyright stuff?
From a design perspective, should the Roadster be included?
Can you somehow incorporate the theme of the superchargers?
Otherwise brilliant!�
Feb 8, 2013
smorgasbord Some nits:
Operating cost is more than fuel cost. Tires and maintenance are part of Operating Cost.
Fuel cost: At the EPA 380 Wh/mile rating, and EPA $0.11/kWh spec, that's 4.2 cents per mile.
The 3.9 second time has not been reported by anyone else. Edmunds tested 0-60 with and without rollout and got 4.3 secs without rollout and 4.0 secs with.
Fuel Economy: EPA rating is 89 MPGe. From where did you get 95MPGe?
The 300 mile range claim should not be used, IMO. No-one gets 300 miles in Range mode in real life. How many even get 265?
Who cares about drag co-efficients?�
Feb 8, 2013
Todd Burch 3.9 sec 0-60 was verified by NEDRA by the P85 that ran a 12.371s quarter mile.�
Feb 8, 2013
brianman Sadly, no.
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@Todd - One more thought on the pictures. If I were doing it, I'd be have the spoiler on the Sig and the 19" wheels on the blue (or vice-versa as you prefer). The idea being to let people see both flavors and the more observant visitors will ask about it, and indirectly educate others. In short, it's like an easter egg for some visitors and an excuse for you to talk about it in the presence of the general crowd.�
Feb 10, 2013
Todd Burch Point taken. I'll change the wording. BTW this is a local car show, so I'm using local electric prices.
60kWh pack. This was from when I had info for different pack sizes on the poster.
The 300 is qualified by "@55mph". I easily surpass rated range in my daily driving, just about every day. So I have no problem stating 265 either. No ICE gets its rated MPGs with the A/C blasting either. By this argument ICEs shouldn't report MPGs either.
Me, for one. I live near NASA Langley and a major shipyard. Lots of aerodynamicists around here. Why do car magazines list it if nobody cares? It's a technical achievement, plain and simple, to have the lowest drag coefficient of any car on the road.
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Let me call back my photographer and we'll do another shoot
Understood, but I decided to take gallery pics from Tesla's site only. Hopefully they don't have a problem with me using the pictures/logo on a single poster for a show...I suppose technically it's probably illegal, but for the good of the company and the car.�
Feb 10, 2013
jerry33 An email to George B. with an attachment should clear this up. Not that I think there is a problem as it should be covered under fair use. You're basically doing a review in person rather than in text.�
Feb 10, 2013
Todd Burch Yes--once it's finalized I plan on sending Tesla an email to get approval.�
Feb 10, 2013
smorgasbord Everyone should just show EPA MPGs. In my view, the 300 number is simply setting people up for disappointment later, and Tesla is doing themselves a disservice.
They do it to sound impressive. Not too many car posters have the Cd listed, though.�
Feb 10, 2013
Todd Burch Yeah I'll think about this one a bit. I guess the main difference is that very few people care about "miles per tank" in an ICE, but miles per charge is always the question. I'll probably just end up listing the 265 mi EPA range.
Of course, not too many cars have the lowest drag coefficient of any car on the road�
Feb 10, 2013
brianman Good point - I never noticed before that none of the Model S Gallery pictures show the spoiler. Features doesn't either. Nor Options/Pricing. Nor Specs.
I guess that leaves Design Studio, which no longer has the Sig Red for the U.S. market.
Weird, nowhere on the TeslaMotors.com site can I see my configuration. Not sure how I feel about that.
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If gas stations were as sparse and (relatively) efficient as charging locations, people would definitely be worried about miles per tank.�
Feb 10, 2013
jerry33 I dunno about that one. I constantly get "How far can I go on a tank of gas?" I also get people who brag that they can go X miles on a tank in the their sub-12 mpg vehicle, just as if miles per tank were equal to miles per gallon.�
Feb 10, 2013
stevezzzz Not true: lots of experience on these boards shows that the maximum useable energy in an 85kWh pack is about 81.5kWh. Divide by the 265mi EPA range and you get 307.5kWh/mi. So at $0.11/kWh, that's $0.034/mi for electricity. Even at the real-world kWh/mi that folks have reported, it's likely to be under $0.04/mi. So you could claim 3-4 cents/mi for electricity at $0.11/kWh and not have to fudge.�
Feb 10, 2013
vfx It's the hypermiling world you live in. I have never heard that.�
Feb 10, 2013
jerry33 No, I get these questions from Answers.yahoo.com and people in general--not hypermiling enthusiasts. They already know the answer�
Feb 10, 2013
vfx I did mean general people. I mean that the conversation is about hypermiling.�
Feb 10, 2013
jerry33 I'd have to say again, no. They are general, not hypermiling, questions.�
Feb 10, 2013
vfx Ok let's just agree you are wrong.�
Feb 11, 2013
Todd Burch OK, I've incorporated the latest changes. I think I'm done with this thing:
If anyone wants it to make their own changes or to use, feel free to download it (~19 MB):
http://we.tl/BVGsPcRsOe�
Feb 12, 2013
dsm363 Excellent work, thanks.
Did you use an online service to print this out poster size?�
Feb 12, 2013
Mark Petersen hmm this remind me so much about M$, way to much text, what is with all the different formatting
cant we just say it is fun to drive
I especially hate when a sales person say this product is much better than the competition, because of X,Y,Z reason, what are you afraid of
the car is so good that you dont need to trash the competition, it will only show your own short comings
facts alone don't sell cars, emotions do
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Feb 12, 2013
vfx Mark if you have ever stood unpaid all day talking about your car and all of it's benefits you would love something like this. There are times when you have there of four people asking completely different questions. Sometimes it's nice to just refer the fifth person to the sign.
Also there are some people who just are quiet/shy who will just creep up and read all the specs and either speak up and ask a question that is 1. Not contained in what they just read or 2. Explicitly stated in what they just read. OR they just sulk away.
After a few Tesla showings we made up sheets to put in the windows. And nearly every sentence we speak has the word "fun" in it.�
Feb 12, 2013
Todd Burch The sizing template is from www.vistaprint.com
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Dude, chill.
1. I am not a graphic designer. I would very much look forward to seeing your improved design.
2. This is not a sales brochure, or a marketing poster. It's an informational poster--similar to when you go to an aviation museum and there's a sign telling you about the aircraft.
3. All the different formatting? There is a total of one font on the entire poster, and 3 colors (except for the photographs).
4. Where did I say it's better than the competition? I mentioned that it rivals the M5. That is a similar performance metric, and most car show attendees will be familiar with that car.
Seriously. I'll wait for your much better design.�
Feb 12, 2013
brianman @Todd - Relax as well. I think it was just an excuse to hate on Microsoft. A tired theme IMO.�
Feb 12, 2013
SuperCoug You don't want to say 0.90 cents but rather 0.90$ or drop the decimals and just say 90 cents.�
Feb 17, 2013
dsm363 
Love the design Todd made but changed the text at the end a little for the poster I'm printing out. Thanks Todd!
Thought I'd get some feedback before I print it out. Looks like FedEx Kinko's charges about $90 for a decent sized poster�
Feb 17, 2013
brianman That number is after the credit. No?�
Feb 18, 2013
dsm363 That's correct, thanks. I added asterix to price above but not that one.�
Feb 19, 2013
aaron.s Todd
When is that car show in VA again - early April?
Can you post a link to the event? I may want to come down and perhaps I can get some of my fellow @TeslaRoadTrip drivers to tag along!
Aaron�
Feb 19, 2013
yobigd20 Right, but I think you should be showing the real base price after tax credit $53,570, which is the price shown on the design studio now. This includes the personal delivery and prep fees. No way to get out of those so might as well be true about real cost.�
Feb 19, 2013
dsm363 Good point but I don't think anyone else advertises those fees in base price, do they?�
Feb 19, 2013
yobigd20 yea i guess you're right, it'll show in the final 'sticker price' of a vehicle.�
Feb 19, 2013
dsm363 To show totally transparency I might add it at bottom so it's still a good idea I think.�
Feb 19, 2013
Todd Burch The car show is (latest I heard) 6-9 PM Friday, April 5. I haven't heard many details about it myself. It's a "Lion's Club Cruz-In". Don't expect a gigantic show with thousands of people, but you're welcome to join!
Here's a page mentioning the Cruz-In, which also has a Flyer. All of those seem to refer to last year's Cruz-In.
BTW, I know nothing about these so can't vouch for how good/busy/large they are.�
Feb 20, 2013
DrTaras Tru dat dawg! :redface:�
Apr 24, 2013
adurstewitz Hey Todd - the links that you'd posted are all dead now. Would you mind uploading the PSD again? I too have a show coming up soon and this would be awesome to have!
Thank you!�
Apr 24, 2013
Todd Burch I've re-uploaded the PSD file and updated the link in the first post. Should be good for awhile again.
By the way, I had this PSD printed as a poster at Walmart. Submitted it online via their website, then picked it up in the store. Cost was about $9.50, and the result was outstanding. Looked like a truly professional poster distributed by Tesla itself!
To see a picture of the printed poster, see this link.�
Apr 26, 2013
jayfrost Thanks for the awesome poster. I am attending a show soon and would love to use this poster. I am having an issue with walmart accepting the PSD file. Did you convert it to a jpg? If so do you still have the jpg file. Any help would be appreciated.
Jason�
Apr 26, 2013
Todd Burch Thanks Jason--you're correct. I had forgotten that I had converted the format to JPEG prior to submitting to Walmart's system.
You can get the JPEG version here.�
Apr 27, 2013
DrTaras I went to download it and my anti-virus security went wild so I had to abandon! :cursing:
Why is there an .exe being downloaded onto my computer to download a PDF file?
Sorry, but I'm a computer advanced-beginner so just a bit past ignorant to be dangerous! :wink:�
Apr 27, 2013
brianman Your instincts are serving you well here.
When you first load the page there are multiple download buttons. Interestingly, this particular website gives you "Remove Ads" buttons (while most of the download sites I've tried don't). Click on the X in one of the Remove Ads regions. This takes you to a page that suggests you have to register to download.
At this point, I would normally move along rather than bother progressing. But, since a forum member could use a hand, I stuck around a bit longer.
Click the back button to return to the original page. Now you'll notice a "different looking" link in the middle "Click here to start download from sendspace". Click this link. At this point you should be prompted to save modelSPosterFinal.jpg (3.93 MB), which is a 3675x5475 image.
Hope this helps!�
Apr 27, 2013
Todd Burch For me, the link for "click here to download from sendspace" is visible when the page first appears.�
Apr 27, 2013
jerry33 Me too. No drama.�
Apr 27, 2013
DrTaras Thank YOU! Got it now! Phew!�
May 4, 2013
stevezzzz I printed Todd's excellent poster and spray-mounted it to a sheet of cardboard so I'd have something to keep people entertained at this morning's Cars and Coffee show, a monthly gathering of the Northern Colorado Car Club in a strip mall parking lot in Lafayette. There were hundreds of people and nearly as many cars; the event has outgrown the venue in recent months, I hear, though this was the first time I've attended. I didn't see any other Teslas, though I did run into Nigel, who worked at the Tesla showroom in Boulder when I bought my Roadster. He's selling Leafs now.
At any rate, it was a hoot spreading the word about Tesla to a bunch of car nuts and the general public. I think it's fair to say the general sentiment was overwhelmingly favorable, and the folks I talked to were about evenly divided among three groups: people who'd never heard of Tesla, people who know what Model S is but had never seen one in person, and people who have been seeing them on the road lately but had never gotten close to one. There were only one or two who had taken a test drive.
Thanks, Todd!
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May 4, 2013
Todd Burch Steve,
Glad to see it's getting use! Your car looks very popular there!�
May 4, 2013
brianman This one still catches my eye whenever I see it:
I love some of the Roadster colors, but I haven't seen one that hits me as strongly.�
May 5, 2013
stevezzzz Yeah, that old 'Vette was pretty sweet. The black LeBaron behind it caught my eye, too. I'll post a couple of detail shots later.
I'm sure there were a lot of great cars there, but I was chained to the S answering questions all morning. By the way, if you do a car show be sure and bring your UMC and plug it in: that's the only way I know to disable the car, a critical safety step.�
May 5, 2013
stevezzzz Photos as promised...
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May 7, 2013
shiny Steve, Great photos! Thanks for sharing�
Jun 14, 2013
mnx I'm going to a car show tomorrow. Nothing like procrastinating. lol
Thanks for putting this together. Just made some edits (for km and canadian prices). Also added Consumer Reports 99/100 rating (replaced the yahoo autos award).
Just sent it to walmart to print a 20x30.�
Jun 14, 2013
vfx I'd like to see one at Teslive!
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Even better to have all the cars in the parking lot to have them.�
Jun 17, 2013
jerry33 I've used my posters quite a few times. They're really helpful when there is a crowd. Question is, which outdoor stand do you use?�
Jun 17, 2013
stevezzzz If you don't mind leaving the hood open (and it's common for most of the cars at a show to have the hood open, showing the engine), just put the poster in the frunk and lean it up against the back. Saves you from having to demo the frunk when you're telling people how much storage space the S has, and the 'Look, Ma, no engine!' aspect is a head turner all by itself.�
Jun 17, 2013
jerry33 I usually leave the hood closed because folks are always surprised when I open it up. Also having the hood up detracts from the lines of the car. However, I might try that and see the reactions I get.�
Jun 17, 2013
stevezzzz I hear you: it kills the "Want to see what I've got under the hood?" double-take. But it does avoid having to acquire an easel.�
Jun 17, 2013
dflye I went for the cheap / low-tech route: got a 20"x30" foam poster board from Wal*Mart, chunked up the poster into 4 sections and printed on 11x17 paper at home, did a bit of splicing work, and leaned it up against a tire for display purposes.
Total cost: Maybe 3 or 4 bucks if the cost-per-sheet estimates for my laser printer are accurate
Spectators lured in: Numerous :biggrin:
Questions answered: Not enough! :tongue:
Attached photo isn't the best, I was too busy to take any decent shots, so this is from a photographer who published 100+ shots from the event I attended:
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Jun 17, 2013
Todd Burch Dflye, for the future: my very nice large photo paper print at Wal-Mart (indistinguishable from a professionally printed poster) cost $9.79...pretty cheap.�
Jun 17, 2013
dflye I hadn't realized that wide format prints were that inexpensive these days, thanks for the tip (as my cut-n-splice work was a bit off in a few places, doh!)
I'm assuming it was laser-printed or some other waterproof printing mechanism, otherwise not much point it taking it home in my mind.�
Jun 17, 2013
Todd Burch Not sure, but I was pleasantly surprised by the quality, and also by the lower-than-expected price.�
Jul 23, 2013
Jgdixon Can you send me a PM with a copy of your artwork?
I'm going to a car show next month
Thanks�
Jul 26, 2013
Todd Burch For those interested, I've reupped the PSD file to:
http://wikisend.com/download/303846/modelSPosterFinal.psd�
Jul 26, 2013
RNG
Thanks, I have downloaded it, changed the background color to a sky blue, and resized it to a 13 X 19 which I can print myself.
Looks wonderful.
RNG�
Jul 26, 2013
Todd Burch I haven't changed the source PSD, but many have suggested replacing one of the less-renowned award bullets on the poster to the Consumer Reports results--where they called it the best car they've ever tested.�
Jul 26, 2013
teslasguy Quickest american sedan? I took my P85 to the dragstrip with my son-in-law who has a Caddy CTS-V wagon.
I got dusted. He got 12.2 for quarter mile and I got 12.5 for my best time.�
Jul 26, 2013
dsm363 Quickest to 60mph maybe.�
Jul 26, 2013
mnx wagon <> sedan ???�
Jul 26, 2013
pilotSteve Thanks Todd!!!! I've got a "hot august nights" party coming up with a dozen or more hotrods at a friend's house. I'll print out your poster and have it by my Sig.
btw I'm working on something fun for the frunk, just to surprise the guys. I'm thinking about making a foam board "Mr. Fusion" or "Flux Capacitor", so I'll be scouring the net for artwork. Will post that if it works.�
Jul 26, 2013
Todd Burch Yes, quickest as in 0-60 MPH. I don't believe anyone has shown any evidence of a stock sedan beating the P85 to 60 MPH. There is a documented 12.371s quarter mile time. Do you have the pano roof, rear child seats, or twin chargers? Which tires? Those sorts of things will obviously slow down your quarter mile time.�
Jul 26, 2013
brianman Elaborate?�
Jul 26, 2013
Todd Burch Higher weight. Pano roof is heavier than normal roof, Twin chargers are heavier than single charger. Rear child seats are heavier than no child seats. Full charge has higher acceleration than 80% charge.�
Jul 26, 2013
teslasguy I was running with my 21" Contis, single charger, no kids seats, pano roof and full range charge for my first and best time.�
Jul 26, 2013
teslasguy 0-60 we were dead even.�
Jul 26, 2013
brianman Do we have any kind of real numbers here? Is this a "turn the seat heater to 2 instead of 1" or a "turn on the climate control in 150 degree weather" kind of difference in power consumption?�
Jul 26, 2013
Todd Burch Well, I'm pretty certain the glass roof/motor/rails/buffet arm is heavier than a regular aluminum roof. I'd guess it's about a 100 pound difference. That's almost a passenger right there. The rear seats are what, maybe 50 pounds? Second charger's obviously not much, but mass is mass. It's going to make a difference when we're talking about 3.9 sec vs. 4.0 sec. That's just the engineer in me talking. I'm sure you're aware of the F=ma stuff
As for SOC and acceleration numbers, every timed acceleration run I've seen (NEDRA, Motor Trend, Edmunds) has indicated that higher SOC yields slightly better 0-60 numbers. Makes sense too. At least I haven't seen anything counter to this.�
Jul 27, 2013
jerry33 The seat heaters draw so little power in comparison to the motor that the difference between off and three is going to be wiped out by random variables.
The power consumers in the Model S are:
1. Motor
4. Cabin heater
8. Vampire (hopefully this will go away soon)
20. Air conditioner
70. Everything else.�
Jul 27, 2013
brianman Right. That's why I used it in my question. Let me rephrase...
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Jul 27, 2013
jerry33 I don't think anyone outside Tesla has done any real measurements. The Canada section and winter threads indicate trivially small. For the A/C in Texas I notice 20 to 30 Wh/mile difference on the screen when it's 35 or so. If the REST API was a bit clearer on how to implement it, I suspect there would be more information about this. The numbers I put in the previous post are about what I think the power use ranking is--but that's going by my car and what I've read, rather than real measurements.�
Jul 28, 2013
SCW-Greg Okay.... here we go.
I have my first official auto show this coming weekend, with another on the 17th. With cue's from Todd here (thank you, thank you), and common questions I'm always fielding, here's my take on a poster. This will be fairly large 2' x 3' and sitting on an easel. If anything, I may have put too much info on this, but it is an all day event, and the show's Director anticipates I may have the most popular car there. Figure this will answer many of those questions.
For text scale reference, the headline font sizes are at 36pts. Copy size is set at 24 pts.
This is my first draft, so your feedback is welcome. I haven't grammar checked this yet either, so grammar police -- fire away.
I'll make a PDF available when this is closer to finalized. You're all welcome to "borrow" any of this.
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Jul 28, 2013
DCWitt Nicely done! One typo, 58+ cubic feet not sq. ft. cargo space.�
Jul 28, 2013
SCW-Greg Excellent. Thanks for that catch!�
Jul 28, 2013
digitaltim 265 miles for the EPA 5-cycle test...
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2�
Jul 28, 2013
SCW-Greg Thanks guys.
Here's an updated version...
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Jul 28, 2013
brianman Overall looks good. Feedback as requested:
- Reference price somewhere. Not displaying it comes across as suspicious.
- "C Net" should be "CNET".
- Your 40A and 80A charging times are too low. Should be 8+ and 4+ hours. And remove the "assume charging for...". People want to know what a "0 to (range/trip) full" is.
- Change "will include" to "uses". This avoids the "creep" of first column into second column.
- Recommend adding a light gray background to the second and third columns to pull the 2nd and 3rd columns together. On first read, my eyes didn't even see the 2nd column so I just read "4.2, 3.9, 9.5" and was wondering what the 3.9 vs. the 9.5 was about.
- Consider putting a Model X teaser somewhere (perhaps at the bottom) with a little thumbnail. Key point to get across from the tease (and visual) is that it's an SUV. This will likely entice the "but a sedan is too small for my family" crowd to ask more questions. Actually a small footer (perhaps in red again) with pictures/icons of Roadster, S, and X -- maybe with a circle or glow effect around the S -- might look great and not be too distracting.
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Jul 28, 2013
SCW-Greg Nice feedback Brian! Thanks.
I was thinking about the teaser for the X, and Gen 3 too.
I used the 200 mile charge, to showcase the super chargers, but like you say, perhaps that's deceiving. I didn't think so, at least initially, as many people seldom drain any car down to 0, but more realistically down to 25% or so... making 200 miles seem more real world. Hmmm.�
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