Feb 17, 2016
scottf200 All presented in terms of future operations not current operations. Clearly they say to keep your hands on the wheel and YOU agreed to it by clicking the button. If your car crashes only blame yourself. Hope you don't hurt others but only your car. Most of your post are hyperboles and twist words to make them sound as facts.�
Feb 17, 2016
green1 I don't think you've read my posts very thoroughly. I have been talking about two completely different things.
1) people need to follow the instructions as to how to use AP, as it is currently not a hands free driving aid.
2) Tesla claimed at the reveal that it would do more than it currently does, and people have every right to be upset that it doesn't. You claiming that it was never presented as being hands free is quite the revisionist history, and "coming in the next few months" doesn't give them a pass on not having it available a year and a half later
1.5) I have every right to stay on version 7.0 and continue to experience the best version available to the public, and nobody has any right to force me to accept the added restrictions in 7.1. I am fully capable of being responsible and using it properly, I don't need the car nagging me more (though the main reason not to go to 7.1 isn't the nag (as my hands are in fact on the wheel, even when the car doesn't think so because the road is straight and I don't need to apply torque), it's the restrictions on "undivided" roads when the nav is so hopeless that it doesn't have a clue what roads are divided or not, nor what the speed limit is)�
Feb 17, 2016
wk057 Well, if v7.1 (2.12.22) didn't include the stupid restrictions, I'd say based on the little bit of driving I did today that it is the best version available. The restrictions would kind of kill that, though.�
Feb 17, 2016
green1 I still suggest that you let the rest of us in on your secret so we can all enjoy the same autopilot experience that Elon himself does.�
Feb 17, 2016
roblab At least he's consistent. He's not a Tesla Fan Boy, as others here might be. I am one, myself, and I don't have trouble with AP, and it doesn't nag me. My hands rest on my knees, hands just touching the wheel. I have latest 7.1. Let's start a conspiracy theory that the complainers get modified software!! :biggrin:�
Feb 17, 2016
Fiebrudo I said this before (hope someone from Tesla reads this).
Could the software just introduce the vibration signaling it's time to touch the steering wheel instead of muting the audio system? This will wake up the "nappers" and be less intrusive than ruining the driver and passenger listening experience.
The nagging message on the screen will be missed by anybody who is doing what the driver supposed to do: "looking at the road ahead"
And, please decrease the frequency of the nags�
Feb 19, 2016
Andyw2100
I'm sorry, scottf200, but that is simply not true.
Go back and watch Elon Musk's presentation at the D launch. Every word he says makes it sound like the car will launch with the capabilities he is discussing. His entire presentation is in the present tense. (It was only later that we learned that some of the autopilot features would be rolled out over a few months.)�
Feb 19, 2016
wk057 I spotted this in Tesla's dictionary: few (adj.): 1. An indefinite amount greater than or equal to 10.�
Feb 19, 2016
green1 Considering basically none of the features have yet been rolled out as described or presented at the release, I think "10" is still awfully low for Tesla's definition.�
Feb 19, 2016
Nismode You realize that the software feature is in beta?
You realize that even at its current version, it is still the best on the market?
You realize that magic doesn't happen overnight?
These were shown as possibilities of what can be done with the current hardware and software setup. Doesn't mean that it should be done, or is ideal. There exists many, many, many variables that may prevent such things from happening, including but not limited to:
Widely varying road conditions/road marking conditions, construction, inclement weather, etc preventing such systems to accurately identify and read the road and react appropriately.
"Stupid" humans, meaning that even in a world with the majority of cars being autonomous, human nature can be a variable that's hard to predict, so computers have to account for that, and in some cases, may not be able to.
Other vendors that make up the parts of the Autopilot hardware and software suite (meaning that if there's a part discrepancy, or badly designed part, or if there's an software incompatibility, Tesla can only do so much before having to research, develop, tool, create, test, test, test, implement, beta test, refine, and release something on their own.
There's a fine line between science fiction and reality. Are you one of those people who believe that a car can drive across country autonomously on its own without human oversight or intervention, at the present time? Elon stated within two years, a car would be able to be summoned from across the country. I believe yes, that would be awesome, but I'm also realistic, and realize that being optimistic gets people closer to their own goals.
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**** happens, timelines change. Maybe there was an issue or bug that manifested and they decided to delay the launch over a few months to fix the issue. Or maybe there were laws and regulations standing in the way (as there are currently in varying degrees of aggression).
We all want for the day when we don't have to touch the wheel at all, or when we don't even need to be in the car. It takes time however. You still have one of the best, smartest, safest, coolest looking cars on the road today.�
Feb 19, 2016
Andyw2100 I agree completely with the above.
But that's not going to prevent me from correcting things when I see someone suggest that features that were promised weren't promised, but rather were suggested as possibilities that may happen at some point in the future.�
Feb 19, 2016
mkjayakumar IMHO, AP feels so safe and comfortable to me only because it has a nag. It is a reminder that I am still in control. Without the nag i am guessing I would be zoned out and go into a false sense of security. There are sections under construction, that I take control and drive, and without the nag i am guessing I might just forget to take control in those areas which will be a disaster.
To me it nags much less frequently on straight stretches and more on curves and around lane drops. Exactly what I would expect it to do.
Thanks to Tesla for providing the nag that made it even more awesome and trust worthy.�
Feb 19, 2016
AWDtsla Control is an illusion.�
Feb 19, 2016
wk057 No, you're the illusion...�
Feb 19, 2016
AWDtsla
Whoa.�
Feb 19, 2016
wk057 Yeah, I know... mind blown. :scared:�
Feb 19, 2016
Cyberax I had a chance to chat with a Mercedes engineer today. Let's say that this is going to change in the next 4 months.�
Feb 19, 2016
green1 Because Mercedes is going to surpass it? or because Tesla is going to cripple it even further?�
Feb 19, 2016
Cyberax The former. But I'm also worried about the latter.�
Feb 19, 2016
drsaab The timed nag is a pain in the ass. An "I'm not sure what I'm doing" nag was ok. I don't think drive pilot by mb is nag free. But they may have some other inputs to know if your alert like internal cameras. The new steering wheel they have for 2017 mb has some touch pad on it I believe as well.�
Feb 19, 2016
slevit1md Speaking to an engineer doesn't guarantee something is going to happen soon. And, even if it does, it will apply only to new cars, and possibly only the more expensive versions of the new cars. Not that they will, but tesla could likely surpass whatever Mercedes comes up with, and apply it to every auto pilot enabled car. Maybe if Mercedes allows hands free driving and tesla wouldn't be the only one doing it anymore, tesla lawyers will finally ease up a bit.�
Feb 19, 2016
calisnow The upcoming W213 E Class's increased autopilot capabilities have been well documented in the press - but the articles also claim that Mercedes will still force you to touch the steering wheel *at least every 120 seconds* or the system will deactivate.
To me that makes it a no-go. Until MBZ stops with the over-the-top babysitting I won't buy one.
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Do your research on the 2017 E-class going on sale in a few months - it is coming. Its hardware leaps ahead - 4 cameras looking in all directions, etc. etc. Supposedly its software is much improved over the old MBZ system. Won't be any way to know if it beats Tesla until they are in the field and a head-to-head comparison test can be done.�
Feb 19, 2016
Cyberax It doesn't limit you to "speed limit" +5mph
I've heard that nag is going to be configurable and they are seriously thinking about disabling it.�
Feb 19, 2016
wk057 If Tesla put the ability to disable nags that weren't confidence based, or otherwise needed, behind a wall of disclaimers that reset with every single drive... I would find that a perfectly acceptable solution.�
Feb 19, 2016
Nismode Hopefully this is what the next generation of AP hardware for Tesla will have.�
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