Jun 19, 2012
mpt This weekend Tesla will be displaying the first prototypes of the "Opportunity Console" elements for us to see. These are not yet finalized, so they're looking for our feedback and suggestions.
Update: Here are the photos:
Console 1: Shelf
Console 2: Phone slot
Console 3: Cupholders
Rear console:
(Please accept our apologies if we remove one of your posts asking for the photos)�
Jun 19, 2012
AnOutsider Inside Tesla - 06.19.12 | Blog | Tesla Motors
Anyone who goes this weekend, please add pictures!�
Jun 22, 2012
mcornwell Is this one of the prototypes for the console? (From Motor Trend's review)
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Jun 22, 2012
spatterso911 Here is another shot...
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Jun 22, 2012
Lyon Anyone else notice what's under the screen!!!! It's a cubby for stuff!!!�
Jun 22, 2012
onlinespending Yeah. Did that make it into the first batch of production vehicles? The perfect place for your sunglasses. I still think they could do much more, but it's a start. Happy that they listened to the complaints and created a quick fix.�
Jun 22, 2012
dsm363 Yes. That looks new!�
Jun 22, 2012
ddruz That cubbie under the display is there in the Gigaom video too. Do you think it is going to be a standard feature? Wow, how great if it is! Also the Gigaom video showed rear seat cup holders for an instant. Fantastic! But where? How?�
Jun 22, 2012
AnOutsider Cubby and cup holders yay... I also really liked the obeche wood!�
Jun 22, 2012
gg_got_a_tesla Perfect! There's a place for the phones and keys now. And, is that cover for the center console area the same wood trim (Obeche here) as chosen for the dash?! Neat idea although it can get scuffed up easily.�
Jun 22, 2012
Johann Koeber Johann, if you have an iPhone just have a look DriverslogPro.�
Jun 23, 2012
AnOutsider Looks like this is for me! Thank you so much.
It even tracks changes I make in the database, so there is a chance the German authorities will accept it as proof. Looks really good.�
Jun 23, 2012
ModelS1079 Hmm, you could be right, but to me, it looked like a ridged rubber at first glance.�
Jun 23, 2012
onlinespending The problem is the space, not the lack of console...
Hey I am impressed by the contour of your computer-graphed console in this thread. Good shape and profile. I have spent quite a bit of time in the Model S, behind the wheel and in the passenger seat - a few hours total. As much as I loved it at first, there is a weird awkwardness about the open space between the driver and passenger. Initially, I admired the space, immediately appreciating the electric drive train and battery placement changes that have followed the Roadster to make the a flat, uninterrupted chassis from dash to tail possible. But my admiration gave way to a feeling that I wanted that space filled, to form a traditional "cockpit". Yet I do not miss a console per say. I don't want all that crap shoved there as in my...Volvo! After some thought I'd propose: Build a low-profile console. Not too obstructive, not too high. Let the driver feel the space you have created - unique to the Model S. Leave a place to put: a cell phone with charger (horizontal opening angled toward the dash to allow the phone to "sit" well, loose change (must be a close-able container), a fitness club/parking garage card, retractable cup holders, chargers for the passenger's iPad/phone/laptop/Kindle (9V and USB). And one more small 5 by 5 inch compartment for...dunno (my son's CD Rom, my daughter's clay cup, my wife's whatever, my baseball hat... And that's it. Leave room for the purse/bag? Maybe have the console stop at the average seat edge as it leaves the dash (leaving room for a bag between the seats). In short, guide the space but do not fully fill it. Computer graphics members, please dig in...�
Jun 23, 2012
gg_got_a_tesla If you look at the high res pic it's clear they're using the same wood trim. It's certainly an improvement over carpet, but GG makes a good point that this could get scratch up pretty well.
And what's up with this thread? It's as if it got merged with some other discussion completely off topic, and no one has commented on the newer, refined center console and cubby. Even Bonnie is mentioning 6 pages of off topic conversation when her post was on page 11. Something seems amiss!�
Jun 23, 2012
doug Tesla Model S drive - Engadget Galleries
See the interior of the white car. That's CF covering the center console area matching the dash!!�
Jun 23, 2012
gg_got_a_tesla You're both right. Looks like they're using matching dash material with rubber ridges on top for some level of protection.�
Jun 23, 2012
onlinespending Very slick! Can't see myself covering that up with any console now
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Jun 23, 2012
NigelM It is slick looking, but still lacks function as far as I'm concerned. It's great for a laptop bag, backpack, or gym bag, but those could just as easily be thrown in the frunk or trunk, and you won't always be traveling with a bag. So then it becomes this open void of unconcealed storage where it likely becomes a receptacle for crap. Loose papers, receipts, coins (rattling around), chargers, makeup, kid's toys, etc. Not exactly the look I'm going for with a car of this price. Still needs CONCEALED storage IMHO. But I'll be the first to say that I'm at least impressed by Tesla's quick reaction time to get that cubby in place, refine the look of the 'negative space', and add rear seat cup holders. Bravo Tesla!�
1/1/2015
guest I'd love to see that in the CF if anyone has found a pic?�
Jun 27, 2012
Lyon I think that you're right. I was actually thinking about this whole issue earlier today and came to the conclusion that it makes no sense for Tesla to do anything other than offer the larger, enclosed, console that people are, very clearly, interested in. What I mean by that is that they are going to put some amount of R&D into developing this Opportunity Console System and it makes no sense to develop things that they KNOW aren't what people want; they're better off not doing anything at all. My take on the early prototypes is that they're a way of figuring out if there were some folks who wanted something in between the current design and the full-on console. I'm fairly confident that Tesla knows that there's a fair number of people who want the Super-Delux console with real upholders, enclosed storage and places to stick things, they just wanted to figure out if there were others who wanted Console-Lite.
The prototypes offer very minimal storage and, from the comments that I've seen here, that will work for some of us, but it would be folly on Tesla's part not to offer a more comprehensive console. As a final note, after going over GeorgeB's interactions with us, I've come to the strong conclusion that he's an honest guy. What I mean by that, in this context, is that, if he says they're working on it, I believe that they're working on it. Now, it may not pan out the way we would all like it in the end, but I don't think that he's pulling anyone's leg.�
Jun 27, 2012
SigGuy But their goals have proven unpopular with 85% of us. And the fact is, they should and likely are going to offer options so we can all be happy and have a choice that will, as George would say, make us smile.�
Jun 27, 2012
jerry33 Sometimes it's hard to tell a grimace from a smile.�
Jun 27, 2012
KBF Lyon is right. Choice is the way of the future! They would be silly not to make a profit off of people who want more�
Jun 27, 2012
smorgasbord Yeah, and how many of us wanted a phone without physical buttons in 2007? Besides, what's that famous quote - that 78% of all statistics are made up? :smile:
You could say that so many people insisted that Tesla include a sunshade with the pano roof, and that's why they added one, but that's now ruined the panoramic effect for all of us. This center console is looking to be the same mass design failure, IMHO.�
Jun 27, 2012
Jason S I believe you are misinterpreting the poll.
Somewhere for bits and bobs 64.58%
My phone needs a home 63.19%
The 14% or so that said "No console, keep it open", I interpret to mean the current design is OK. The interesting parts are are the 35% of folks who neither need the bits & bobs or phone space. I wonder where their needs lay? Maybe that's in the nearly 21% 'big gulp' demographic? I'm not even bringing in the 23% of people who would forgo a center back seat for "more in back."
From the detailed feedback that many folks have provided within this thread we have people who would like more stuff attached to either the existing armrest/cupholder and/or more stuff under the 17" screen. Presumably those folks would like some spot to shove the purse or laptop or man bag between the seats. The full enclosed center section wasn't an explicit choice, so we're not sure if people would prefer that to a modular choice, one of the prototypes, or some combination of prototypes.
And the rear seat issue... that's a whole other bag of worms.
+1 to Soflauthor's designs again for myself. His modular approach, or the 'Ridgeline' approach could fit what many want for that center spot. I could also be fine with a larger storage piece near the 17" screen with plugs for phones, etc. I don't like the currently exposed pieces for USB keys or phone cables -- seems like an accident waiting to happen, nevermind the attractiveness for thieves.�
Jun 27, 2012
ddruz Smorgasbord, it is my impression that Tesla will offer a number of options for the console, perhaps only one of them taking up the entire space as Solflauthor proposed for those who wish to trade off the open space for more storage. I concur with you that the most logical of all solutions is to reconfigure the space under the armrests for storage and to move the cup holders forward so both armrests and cup holders can be used concurrently, all the while retaining open space for those who wish it. We don't know how much flexibility Tesla has in this regard given they have said there are electronics under the arm rests, however.
Certainly there are many like you, myself included, who like the idea of the open space for purses, briefcases, laptops, etc. if it could be done without sacrificing some closed storage within reach of the driver for odds and ends, cup holders that can be used concurrently with the arm rests and a place for our phones. As an alternative to the full console option, and assuming Tesla cannot do much under the arm rests, how would you and others feel about the following as one (not necessarily the only) minimalist solution at the other end of the spectrum to Soflauthor's more traditional console?
Combine the following:
1. Adopt option #1, shelf under display, but add a door, lid or cover so this becomes concealed storage.
2. Adopt option #3, cup holders on the floor under the display, but make them able to accommodate multiple sized cups and deep enough so drinks don't spill. I have them here in my current car and they do indeed work. It is not not too far to reach.
3. Convert current cup holders under arm rests into a similarly sized rectangular cubby. Put a USB connector in the cubby for our phones. This is a very short wiring run from the current USB location.
This gives some concealed storage in reach of the driver, cup holders that can be used concurrently with arm rests, a covered USB cubby for phones and leaves the vast majority of the area open space for purses, briefcases, laptops, etc. It will look nearly identical to the picture of option #3 except for a door, lid or cover over the front of the shelf. This should also be extremely cheap, quick and easy for Tesla to do and I dare say could be offered as a no cost option for those preferring the open space concept.�
Jun 27, 2012
vfx I would caution that "leather to match" is waaaaay hard. Even getting plastics to match can be tough and even if you are close they will probably age color-shift differently.�
Jun 27, 2012
William13 +1 to DDruz�
Jun 27, 2012
BryanW In defense of Soflauthor's design and Tesla's design goals. It is my impression that the point of the open console space is to demonstrate lack of bump and gain in space by having the electric drive train. For me this is open visual space and I like it, but don't need it to be the complete space. As drawn, Soflauthor's console appears to continue to maintain a low profile with open space above, still clearly more visual space than an any ice console. Therefore, I gain storage space and I maintain appealing visual space. Having closed storage keeps the look clean.
I have no desire to throw a backpack, satchel, laptop, purse, or anything else in this space. That would look cluttered and defeats the purpose of the design for me.
I prefer the nice amount of concealed space in Soflauthors design, and yes, I do think it can accomplish the goal of the best of both worlds, which are in my opinion, a visually open space and ample concealed storage for small items.�
Jun 27, 2012
Beavis I talked to George about this on Sunday. My take away from the conversation is that there will be a design option for a more elaborate console than we saw this weekend, like a full console. He didn't let on when all the designs would be availale for us to see but he did say it will be an add-on to what is already there. It will also take more than three to four months.�
Jun 27, 2012
Designtime As a consumer, why should I care about the intention of the design? Especially when this design impacts usability. In my training as a software developer and architect, I was taught that valuing design considerations over usability was folly.
I am surprised by the number of people in this thread who seem to be trying to actively discourage the inclusion of a completely optional piece that would make a large number of customers happy. That statement is not aimed at you Smorgasbord, it is just a feeling I have gotten from many posters every time this issue comes up - And it has come up a lot in the past year.�
Jun 27, 2012
smorgasbord You're misunderstanding me. The intention of the original design was to have an open area on the floor where you could put a backpack, bag, or purse. I like that, and want to keep that. It's a usability thing. There are aesthetic considerations as well - we can debate those separately.
What's going on here is a new design intent: Build a console with compartments and cubbies so that I can only store those things that fit in those compartments. Most of that storage will be long-term, as my purse or backpack won't fit in any of the compartment. To me, this is less usable - like putting in a sunshade makes the sunroof less panoramic. It's a net loss.
What I'm proposing is keeping the original design intent of having a space on which to place a purse or backpack without cramming the passenger's footwell space, but also having some compartments on the dash as well as doing a way better job carving out space in the existing center console.
Of course, what really needs to happen is to get some door pockets going. Considering how thick the doors are, there would seem to be no excuse for that.�
Jun 27, 2012
gg_got_a_tesla Kinda' ironic given your TMC handle�
Jun 27, 2012
Designtime Not lost on me. :smile:�
Jun 27, 2012
Designtime I see what you are saying, smorgasbord. If I were being really honest, I would say that what really irks me is the new design guru mentality that has taken over in consumer products. Apple created a new approach to UI and became enormously successful. Now everyone can say, "See you didn't think you wanted this, but you were wrong!"
It seems like the designers at Tesla are determined to try to teach us all the same lesson.
AND I need a place to keep my stuff. Traffic in the Seattle area is tough. Sometimes you are in the car for a long time. It is good to be able to reach stuff when you need it, and not have someone break your window to take it when you get out.�
Jun 27, 2012
brianman Good design is about balancing function and form. When function loses to form, the customers will decide if that was a good decision or not.
Unless of course they have no other options.
I think some of the angst among forum members is that there "are no other options" for vehicles that meet the primary automotive characteristics of the Model S, yet the interior characteristics are lacking in some important functions.�
Jun 27, 2012
vfx Don't work for that other car company!�
Jun 27, 2012
favo This would definitely be the best first step. It's hard to imagine all that space needs to be filled with ducts and wires. They may need to optimize the layout of the guts, but it seems doable. Unfortunately, it may take enough redesign to push it to 1.5 or 2.0 versions of the car.
I think this is a good compromise, barring a full redesign of the existing console under the armrests. Tesla should still provide an insert like Soflauthor's as an option for those needing more covered space. It would be cool if they could also add 2-3 pop-out cup holders on the armrest console for the backseat passengers.�
Jun 28, 2012
mulder1231 I agree with Smorgasbord on this. The Soflauthor design just clashes with the overall elegant interior design and minimalistic approach. It's adding multiple compartments and straight lines that just don't fit with the fluid curvy lines of the interior. A full-size center console is out of proportion and makes the interior look unbalanced. Don't like the back seat console design either -- too bulky and looks like an afterthought.
I like the option that Tesla has presented with the open shelf design. It adds a more luxury feel with the matching trim. If they would just redesign the existing armrest to be able to offer some storage underneath, and move the cup holders forward a tiny bit, I would be totally satisfied.
Just my opinion of coarse.�
Jun 28, 2012
malcolm I'm not discouraging, just pointing and giggling.
Any person buying this car is making a pretty strong statement that they are ready and willing to try something new. There's lots new tech to deal with. It's just strange that it's the console that seems to be twisting many folks' melons.
Try living with it for a while. Try something different. You never know, you might like it.�
Jun 28, 2012
jerry33 FWIW, the Prius has one of those cubbyholes under the audio system with a cover. I've yet to put anything in it because I could never figure out what to put in it. There is a nice clear space on the floor (unfortunately eliminated in 2010+) to put things, and covered storage under the arm rest that I use all the time. I also use the door pockets and the large glove compartment. There needs to be covered storage so that you car doesn't look cluttered, and so that it looks "empty" to opportunity thieves. Minimalist is good, but minimalist != bare.�
Jun 28, 2012
tdelta1000 Console 1: Shelf
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I like the self.
Console 2: Phone slot
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Nice but I dislike the fact the USB ports are covered in this version.
Console 3: Cupholders
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I like the this version the best.
I still like the idea of being able to hide some of my personal items.�
Jun 28, 2012
kendallpb I didn't realize that's what the bar was (just read up on it but having problems finding a good picture/demo of the manual sunshade); I thought the bar was structural and/or part of the mechanics of having a roof. I guess I'm unclear on just how this works; something else to look at in the test drive--I hope the one I drive has a pano roof. ;-)�
Jun 28, 2012
cmlaff For those that want to put their "purse/bag" in the open space I would argue that that is YOUR center console in that it is where you store "your stuff." I carry neither and need a place for my stuff. I don't a lot of storage but I took a brief look at what I currently store in my Infiniti g35 console; iPhone, coin storage container (old film canister), a small packet of Kleenex, parking lot key card, tire gauge, one pen, sunglasses, reading glasses, auto registration, proof of insurance, copy of driver's license, one comb, and one parking lot permit that hangs from the rear view mirror. All together they don't occupy a lot of space, but I need some space. Otherwise I foresee too many of these things sitting on the passenger seat and cluttering up the minimalist look that may have been intended. The best of all worlds is the option to add a console of varying size that best suits each persons needs. Just don't make it a $1500 add on.�
Jun 28, 2012
dsm363 I fit almost everything I need in the Roadster's glove compartment so I'm good. Glad they are working on solutions for everyone though.�
Jun 28, 2012
Beavis
It's structural and hasn't changed since the betas as far as I can tell.�
Jun 28, 2012
Zextraterrestrial the glove box is fine for a bunch of stuff and it has a pretty deep hole in it towards the front of the car that you can put you fist + some into�
Jun 28, 2012
shokunin I overlooked the fact that the seats have a front pocket. That'll be a fine place for my keys, wallet, keycard, and possibly phone when I don't need to charge it.
Personally, I'd prefer to see the existing cup holder/armrest turn into a a armrest with a flip-top or slide and flip storage console. Move the cup holders to a pull-out design under the front dash cubby, or put it above the 12v outlet and under the new armrest & storage console. This way it's still open and concealed, but those who need cup holders can pull them out as needed.
While I'm redesigning the existing armrest console, why not put a pull out cup holder under the existing vents for the rear seat passengers?�
Jun 28, 2012
onlinespending This would be perfect! Because for now there's two problems with the cupholders. You likely can't actually place two large cups in the two cupholders at the same time because they're too close to one another. And more importantly, when you use the cup holder it appears it would render the center console as an armrest useless. That's no bueno. If they were to use the center armrest area for storage underneath and move the cup-holders up front as pop-out holders as you suggest, it solves 3 issues at once; creates concealable storage, useable cup holders, and useable armrests that aren't interfered on by cups. And best yet, it even doesn't sacrifice the existing open track design that gives the Model S its unique center look.�
Jun 29, 2012
AnOutsider I got some clarification on the phone dock tonight, it folds out and exposes a dock/connector. Your phone rests ON that door and slides down into the connector.�
Jun 29, 2012
ddruz That's the best solution of all for storage and a great idea! Probably everyone would like to see storage under the arm rests. Unfortunately I got the reply from Stephen Smith of Tesla when I specifically emailed him about it a month or so ago that there are electronics under the armrests preventing Tesla from putting storage there and that there were therefore no plans to do so. There is the current cup holder space, however, and at least that much room under the arm rests could be converted to a similarly sized rectangular concealed storage cubby if they would move the cup holders. A USB port placed in that cubby makes it a lovely spot for a phone too. The problem is where to move the cup holders.
The idea of pop outs under the proposed shelf below the 17" display sounds great but it seems beverages might get in the way of the lower part of the display. What do you think? For those of us wishing to retain most of the open space, Telsa's proposed option #3 is also an alternative spot for cup holders as are pop outs on the front of the current arm rest/cup holder module. Other posts have indicated that pop outs often get gunked up or fail though. Option #3 may therefore be the best compromise for those of us wishing to retaining the open space and get those cup holders moved too. I'll specifically ask to test drive a car with those proposed cup holders tomorrow and drive with a water bottle in them to see if they really work and are not too far to reach.�
Jun 29, 2012
jerry33 As someone else pointed out, the pop-outs are not particularly sturdy and will likely break within the first year. I'm fine with the "remove the current cup holders and add a small storage space". Then have flip-up cup holders in front of that (the ones in the Prius work great). There would still be plenty of room for purses and bags.
The problem with the glove compartment is that it's not convenient for the driver to reach. That's a mighty big stretch in a wide car like the Model S. The glove compartment is for things like logbooks, registration and insurance, etc. that are seldom accessed.�
Jun 29, 2012
dsm363 That's exactly what I was looking for. Awesome. Thanks.�
Jun 29, 2012
W8MM At least your Roadster HAS a glove compartment. Our Roadster 1.5 has an uncovered "sliding object trough". That's what happens to early adopters. That's also why this thread has my attention :wink:�
Jun 29, 2012
ElSupreme Sure the hang tag and your phone wouldn't be well stored in the glove compartment but everything else should be fine there!
Welcome to us putting a bag on the passenger seat. I don't regularly carry a bag around. I do on occasion when I need too. I currently put it in the back seat.
But really everything I have in my console could fit into my glove compartment (I would have to remove about a thousand napkins but they would all easily fit). The only things I need storage for that are accessible while driving are sunglasses (already in a case), my RFID access cards (gates at work to drive in), and probably some chap-stick for the winter months. Phone stays in my pocket, as I don't use it at all while driving.
Just because you have a console now (even if you use it) doesn't mean you need a console in the S. Just like an ICE you need now, you won't need when you get the Model S. I think a lot of what is going on is people think they need a center console. When in reality you really don't interact with much while driving. Granted I am sure there are people who genuinely need a center console, I just think it is around 10% versus 70% of the people buying this car.
Just my opinion.�
Jun 29, 2012
shokunin Some pop/pull out cup holders are flimsy (mainly european), however the one in our Honda Odyssey is rock solid and has been for 7 years of abuse. If designed well enough, they could implement cup holders that are sturdy and can be concealed or hidden when not needed.
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Jun 29, 2012
kendallpb Ah. I'm slightly confused now, but anyway, it's not a problem either way; I want that roof. ;-) Thanks.�
Jun 29, 2012
smorgasbord The covering around the structural bar is larger on the test drive cars than it is on the Beta cars, due to the rollers for the sunshade. And like I said, it's black while the rest of the headliner is light colored, so it really stands out.
Since I'm getting Performance with CF, I may take to wrapping it with CF vinyl. But, I'd rather delete the sunshade and have a smaller bar.�
Jun 29, 2012
MikeK I'm sorry there wasn't a better chance to study all of the opportunity consoles at the Fremont event. It's hard to tell from the photos how the phone holder is expected to work, for example. I would love to see this with an actual phone in it.
I like the direction suggested by ddruz -- more capable cup holders under the screen so that the arm rest isn't impeded by the holders. Add a door to the little shelf area, and use the cupholder space under the armrest as a cubby. I also liked Soflauthor's suggested console (+1 for ddruz's cup holder feedback on it). Either of these could work well.
I do think that it's a good goal to keep the floor space between the seats open enough for a woman's purse. I don't really envision myself putting my laptop case there, so for me personally, I wouldn't mind Soflauthor's console for that reason, but I can see why others would lean towards ddruz's.
Feeback on the options shown:
- I would certainly appreciate the litle shelf under the display. Better if it had a cover for those folks who might want to leave something in it.
- Personally, I prefer to have my phone where I can see it in case it rings (so I can see the Caller ID), so the proposed location for the phone holder isn't very good for me.
- The rear console and cup holder looks nice. I don't carry passengers that often, so I probably wouldn't buy it. I certainly agree with others, though, that it would be preferable for it to fold out of the rear seat.
- It's really hard to tell from the photos if the cup holders under the shelf will be useful or not, but I do like the location. As with druz's suggestion, I think I'd rather see the cup holders there and storage under the arm rest.
Some general thoughts:
- My main car for the last 10 years has been a RAV4-EV, which has effectively no console storage. It has a pair of cup holders, a very shallow tray under the hand brake and some vertical coin slots. I haven't felt that the car needed more storage, and I keep various items in the (large) glove box. Including gloves!!
- I have also owned a 2007 Prius for the past couple of years. It has a nice center armrest whose top flips open to reveal a large storage bin with an aux input and a 12V plug. There's a felt-lined tray that sits on top (on rails) and can slide back and forth. It's nice for change, and the felt lining keeps the coins from jingling. I don't drive the Prius much, but I do appreciate the ability to leave change for meters in that tray out of sight.
- I would really like to see pocket or net storage on the backs of the front seats. In particular, I want a place to put my fold-up sun shade (for when the car is parked). In the nets on the back of the Prius's seats, I keep a sun visor and some sunscreen. Same thing in the RAV's seatback pockets.
- In my RAV4, I have a nice third party clip-on cradle (ProClips) that attaches to the dash with a bracket that mounts by slipping very skinny plastic wedges into the seams in the dash. It doesn't leave any marks, it's easily removed, and it works absolutely great. I hope that they will make a clip for the Tesla.
- One really nice thing about the cradle is that whenever I'm in the car, my phone is plugged in and charging. With power hungry devices, this really helps you get through the day. I don't have to fuss around with a cable. I just slide the phone into the cradle. Done. Therefore, I greatly prefer the idea of a cradle to a simple USB jack that will require fussing with a cable.
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Jun 29, 2012
dsm363 Yes. Although I added it with double-sided tape and the phone blocks the view on my gear buttons when it's in the cradle, I love how I can hop in my Roadster and slid my phone into the cradle in a few seconds. I would like the same thing for the Model S.�
Jun 29, 2012
spatterso911 If your phone is only a few years old, and you connect via bluetooth, you should be able to see your caller ID on the screen (or perhaps the gauge cluster display), so you wouldn't need to look down to check out who is calling you. Perhaps that will help??�
Jun 29, 2012
brianman I would expect this to be safer too.�
Jun 29, 2012
spatterso911 This idea is really making me consider the CF over others strictly so that I can wrap the beam! What a great idea. I guess, alternatively, piano black so that they kinda match already...�
Jun 30, 2012
PhatCat +1. Front door pockets too.�
Jun 30, 2012
ddruz At my test drive today in LA I specifically requested a car with the cup holder prototype option #3. Unfortunately they could not oblige. They were on a time line and there was only limited flexibility in which car you got. My car did have option #1, shelf under the display, however, and I was nonetheless able to determine something quite significant about the proposed cup holder option#3:
It is not sensible to install both option #1 (shelf) and option #3 (cup holders) concurrently. There is not enough space under the shelf for a standard 10" water bottle to sit in the cup holders. You could squeeze a a smaller 8 1/2" water bottle under there but it would be tight. A coffee cup or soda can would fit but the space restricts your beverage container height to only such smaller containers. But as long as you don't also include the shelf, option #3 cup holders do indeed seem to be in a viable location. They do not seem too far to reach and they retain the open space for purse, briefcase, etc. Here are pictures of a standard 10" water bottle showing why you wouldn't want to install both options #1 (shelf) and #3 (cup holders) together:
It was also extremely clear that the current cup holders have a number of limitations. (That is kinder than saying they are useless.) The size of those cup holders will only accommodate cups with limited diameter. The 10" water bottle in the pictures did not come close to fitting. And, as is well known, you cannot use the current cup holders and the arm rests concurrently which is a major limitation.
My impression remains that there should be an option in which the current cup holders are moved so people can simultaneously use both the armrests and cup holders (wherever they are placed) and in which the current cup holder area is converted to a rectangular storage compartment (with or without USB plug). In fact in the car I drove they were using the cup holders as storage already--there was loose change in them!
In an ideal world Tesla would reconfigure the electronics and ducts under the arm rests and create ample storage there where everyone expects it. My guest kept trying to pull the arm rests up to see the storage underneath. I had to point out that there wasn't any. But assuming Tesla cannot get to a full revamp under the arm rests till version 2.0 the current cup holder area is still available to them for a small storage bin.
If Tesla makes it an option, where should the cup holders be relocated? Option #3 is very viable, easy and inexpensive, but you should avoid concurrently installing option #1 shelf unless you only plan to use short, small beverage containers. Option #1 shelf could be used concurrently with flip downs or pop outs on the front of the arm rest module as others have proposed. These would need to jut out far enough for beverage containers to get past the slope of the front of the arm rest module and we don't know how much space Tesla has within that module for pop outs to recess which may be constraints. Pop outs under option #1 shelf could also be an inexpensive and easy solution but the problem of taller containers obstructing the lower portion of the display would need to be addressed.
After my impressions today here are two revised minimalist, open space option proposals at the opposite end of the spectrum to Soflauthor's fabulous larger console option for consideration:
Minimalist #1
a) Add option #3 cup holders, but make sure they accommodate multiple diameter beverage containers
b) Remold current cup holder area as a rectangular storage bin with a USB port or phone dock
Minimalist #2
1) Add option #1 shelf, but with door, lid or cover to create closed storage
2) Add pop out or flip down cup holders at the front of the arm rests or pop outs under the shelf if display not obstructed
3) Remold current cup holder area as a rectangular storage bin with a USB port or phone dock�
Jun 30, 2012
MikeK How much purse/bag space would be left if a molded cup holder were installed right where you had your water bottle in the photos? I'm imagining a little unit with some closed storage directly under the shelf, and then cup holders where your bottle is. Seems like that would move the holders closer to the occupants, and if it leaves enough space to put a purse/bag, then it could be nice.�
Jun 30, 2012
MikeK Yes, that might work. I don't know. If the integration is really really good, then it may be perfectly fine. With my current Bluetooth setup in my car, it takes a few seconds for the Caller ID to display on the stereo, and it's far quicker to just glance at the screen of the phone, which is mounted right next to the stereo anyway. I also occasionally have to poke something on the phone screen. For example, because the RAV4 is noisy, I often use a Bluetooth headset, and since my car also has BT, I occasionally have to poke a button on the iPhone to select the correct Bluetooth device.
Long story short, I would prefer to have the phone where it's visible and accessible. It might not be necessary, but if I do need to get to it, I don't want to be groping around for it or having to look down to the floor.�
Jun 30, 2012
jerry33 Is the caller ID really that useful? Many businesses block caller ID on sending so you get unknown anyway.�
Jun 30, 2012
dsm363 If it's someone in your contact list though or who doesn't block their number, it would appear on the 17" screen instead of you having to look at your phone.�
Jun 30, 2012
MikeK Those are the folks who get to talk to my voicemail.�
Jun 30, 2012
MikeK So does that mean that if somebody is not in my contact info, I don't even see the number displayed?
One of the things I like about the iPhone is that it does area code lookup. So, I may see just a number, but it says something like "Houston, TX", and I at least have some idea. So, there's an example of why it would be nice to have the phone's display within easy glancing territory.�
Jun 30, 2012
Jason S One of the options for next to the speedo is the phone display:
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Jun 30, 2012
spatterso911 It may display it, but that is unknown. One thing for certain, if it displays the number, at a minimum you at least get to see the area code, so you have some idea at least. If they are in your list of contacts, they have some relative importance to you, so you see their name, maybe even a photo of the person. Many people put the photos of their closest contacts (spouse, children, close friends) so that is great if I can tell at a glance of a picture.�
Jul 1, 2012
bbmertz Back on the topic of consoles, the non-performance Sunset Red vehicle I test drove in LA today had both a rubberized open console shelf under the display screen as well as a leather-covered armrest with cup holders between the driver and passenger seats. I really liked the open cubby shelf which I would use to store my wallet, sunglasses and phone. I also liked the armrest, since it was comfortable and slid forward to hide the cup holders when not in use. It would be even more functional if it popped open to store and connect my iPhone via USB, like the BMW 535i.�
Jul 1, 2012
vfx By the way. That tray in the red performance car had two USB and one 12V (cig) plug facing the dash.�
Jul 2, 2012
Denis Vinnie For those of us that live by the "place for everything and everthing in its place " philosophy, Tesla's present offering does little more then line the "negative vaccum" with the dash materials, it does nothing for compartmentalized storage...!? The concern her is not cosmetic, its functional. "Out of sight, out of mind" does wonders in discouraging would be thieves and vandals. The overwhelming majority of reservation holders participating in these forum have requested that some form of enclosed storage console be made available as an option, some going as far to say that they would take on the task themselves if need be. It would be unfortunate if looky-loo's (Potential Customers) beleived that some Tesla S owners poor attempt at a center console was factory delivered....then again , it may have come from Walmart. I recognize that Tesla is trying to make a point, but at what and whose expense? Furthermore, in the same way that my shirt sleeves and coat cuffs do not belong in my coffee, I for one, don't beleive that cupholders belong in the arm rests. Ideally they should be in a pop out cupholder in plain view and easily accessible with minimum reach.�
Jul 2, 2012
shokunin it sort of baffles me that Tesla has nailed the hardest part of the Model S, drivetrain, engine, styling, handling, etc. Yet when it comes to the minor details, they totally fell asleep. We have 10" or so vertical height that normal cars have an gear shifter, parking brake, cup holders, and armrest storage and armrests all in that space. Yet we have a floor that's trimmed and some leather bolsters on the side. Huh? I'm also wondering what the heck is under the armrest console that's a foot high that only has vents out the rear, 12v outlet and 2 usb ports. Someone mentioned electronics, but why do you need that much space for "electronics" in the center of the car? I digress...
Why not just raise the console floor by a mere 3" to put a shallow console. Keep the leather bolsters raised above this "console" so you can still put your purse, man-bag, or other items on top.
Below the screen put a small hinged door or sliding door that slides forward underneath the console for eyeglasses or small change storage, then cut out a couple of large holes for cup holders (cut front to back and not side to side, and finally a kleenex box sized rectangle area for concealed storage.
Better yet, take everyday items and ask your designers where in the world would you put them in an Model S.
1- Sunglasses
2- Phone
3- Wallet, keyfob, parking access cards
4- Excedrin, Advil bottle
5- chapstick, small bottle of lotion or sunscreen
6- Kleenex, napkins
7- pen / pencil
8- Coins, still needed for tollroads and parking meters
9- trash, eg used kleenex and napkins
10 - microfiber towel to constantly wipe off the touchscreen
11 - USB extension cable since there are no ports behind the console for rear seat passengers.
In it's current form, I'm going to have use a small gear bag from 511 tactical and just store all my stuff in there and leave it in the behind my seat which should blend in with the black interior.
I love the way the car drives that I am willing to overlook the storage issues. But other buyers may not be as tolerant.�
Jul 2, 2012
Soflauthor I am one of the people who have "tasked themselves" with the job of designing a center console insert (CCI), and I do worry that my design will be a "poor attempt" or "Walmartish." [I've learned to be pretty objective about my design work and if I get a "poor attempt" vibe, I'll throw in the towel -- promise]. But I'm forging ahead for now. Over the weekend, I stopped by my local Tesla store and took some rudimentary dimensions for a beta center console channel -- recognizing full-well that things might change significantly when the product cars are introduced.
I then fired up my long dormant CAD software (it's amazing how quickly you forget how to use some apps) and created a much-refined engineering drawing of the sketch I presented way back in post # 126. By the way, the sketch was way off, in that the existing channels flare outward significantly as they approach the display end and are asymmetric (a surprise) at the display end. For those with interest, the entire CCI will be about 21 inches long, and 8 inches wide at the existing tower end and 12 inches wide at the display end. It will be 6" high at the tower and will contain edge top walls that fit a concave smooth spline curve that will terminate at the display at approx. 7 inches high -- very low profile, but not the three inches that @skokunin recommends in post #256. The top of the CCI will be flat and set about 3/4" nominal below the splined edge walls. Three compartments remain, although the center storage area has been redesigned and now has new dimensions at 10.0"L x 5.5" W x 5" D. The center storage area is itself modular and will accommodate cupholders with their own cover, storage with its own flip-top, and a few other optional surprises.
Next up, a pre-prototype (demonstration of concept). I'm stopping by my local hobby store/Home Depot and buying some modeling foam tomorrow. I'll then use my refined drawings as a baseline to craft a full-size foam model over the next few weeks. If it comes out well (it might not), I'll post some pics for those who might have interest in a hopefully non-walmart solution.
I'm still hopeful that TM will do the right thing and produce a CCI that is meaningful. But I'm having fun with this little project, and already believe that my CCI can be fabricated to look really good and serve an important interior function. Stay tuned.�
Jul 2, 2012
AnOutsider Mod Note: Discussions regarding physical buttons have been moved to Physical buttons in Model S�
Jul 2, 2012
bonnie Thanks, AO!�
Jul 2, 2012
brianman That's a bit strong. I'd call it "opportunity space" if I worked for George.�
Jul 3, 2012
jeffhre Funny, I know this stuff is really really important. But I think I read somewhere that Tesla also sells cars. Different drive train or something. OK my apologies, carry on with the important stuff now.�
Jul 3, 2012
MikeK Yup, and cars serve a purpose. To get you from point A to point B comfortably and safely, with all your stuff. Included in "comfort" is that you have easy access to the things you need on your journey. For example, a beverage, the coins for the toll road, your driving glasses or sunglasses, etc.
As somebody who has had a car burglarized, I can tell you that it's no fun at all dealing with the insurance company, the glass company, and so forth, so concealed storage is definitely more than a "nice to have".
I think this thread is great, and since we know Tesla is working on the problem, I hope that they are studiously mining this thread for ideas!�
Jul 3, 2012
brianman The post linking to this thread is just one of many pieces of evidence proving that that assessment of TM is unfair.�
Jul 3, 2012
Larry Chanin Hi Rob,
To be fair it was Tesla that asked Michael to initiate this thread soliciting our input.
Larry�
Jul 3, 2012
gg_got_a_tesla My only fear with all the (valid) concerns that we have all raised thus far - regarding storage, cupholders, etc. not counting stuff like ACC and such that are purportedly in the works - is forcing "feature creep" onto Tesla!
I've experienced this over and over in the software world where major projects are delayed because someone (with some pull and enough of a voice) sneaks in a 'got-to-have-it' feature request at the last minute. The work done at the last minute is usually sub-par and involves compromises (in terms of quality control, stability, etc.).
I'd rather Tesla ship the car in the form that it is in (which they've worked on for the past 3 years and have setup the factory and processes for) and take their time with all these new additions rather than rush into not-fully-thought-out solutions at this stage of the game. Retrofits and next model year revisions are par for the course in my opinion. We as early adopters should be okay with that?!�
Jul 3, 2012
JohnEC gg,
I couldn't agree more!�
Jul 3, 2012
Larry Chanin You have a valid concern, but in this case it is somewhat unfounded since Tesla is already releasing their Signature series into production early without succumbing to undue feature creep. They were wise to do this and pursue the "Opportunity Console(s)" as a field retrofit to avoid impacting the production schedule. It remains to be seen how well they will treat their Signature early adopters with regard to the costs, if any, for these retrofits. I suspect that when they are perfected they will be offered as relatively low cost options to the General Production reservation holders and retrofitting will not be an issue.
Larry�
Jul 3, 2012
roblab You are so right, but, to be fair, you haven't seen any drawings or pre production consoles until AFTER they were in the cars, not advertised, happen to show up in pictures, get discussed here, modified verbally and by sketch. Tesla is not quite as open as this group is, although Tesla is transparent compared to traditional car companies. I think Tesla is wonderful and doing it right, but I haven't seen any ideas that Tesla has come up with other than the consoles that appeared in pictures at the test drives. And I betcha we will have input, choice, variety, quality and function.
I never heard anyone complain of the consoles that I see in other vehicles. You just buy the car. Tesla is more than that, besides doing miracles in starting up a Rocket, a Factory, a totally new kind of Car, a Solar Industry, etc. I don't see how they do it!�
Jul 3, 2012
Larry Chanin Hi Rob,
Thanks for the more balanced response. The journey as you put it is just starting. Have a little patience. Tesla will come through and share more details with us.
Larry�
Jul 3, 2012
AndyM I'm certain that Elon's personal experience will count heavily, too.�
Jul 5, 2012
NigelM Ladies Request
My wife points out that car forum users tend to be overwhelmingly male. The survey shows she's right (she's always right, but that's another story....) and she hopes that Tesla is also taking this into account. As a woman she has far more bits and pieces to stow...tissues, shopping lists, pen, mints, hand sanitizer, hairbrush, aspirin, sunscreen, purse etc.
Tesla, please remember to ask some ladies for their opinions.
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Jul 5, 2012
dsm363 I believe women are in charge of over half of car purchases anyway so that'd be smart. Also, weren't EVs preferred by women the first time around in the early 1900s?�
Jul 10, 2012
SUN-day Driver As a man, I have all those same things except the purse. And because I don't have the purse, a place in the car to put all those things is even more important!�
Jul 10, 2012
strider This will be my wife's car and she categorically loves the fully open console and doesn't want anything to crowd it. All her bits and pieces are in her purse and it fits perfectly in the open space there (having tons of storage bins seems to be the requests of all the males here). She loves that she doesn't have to leave her purse behind her seat or in the passenger footwell where she can't get to it or have it crowding passenger's feet. So I would argue that leaving it alone IS listening to women's views�
Jul 10, 2012
doug It's nice to have options.�
Jul 10, 2012
westerndh +1 Definitely think this is a great conversation point in the retail stores as well, where I believe Women will be the significant decision makers.�
Jul 10, 2012
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Jul 11, 2012
Larry Chanin Attached is a zoom of a portion of prototype console 1.
Can anyone tell me what the object is between the 12v outlet and the USB port?
Thanks.
Larry�
Jul 11, 2012
Jason S That's a Patriot brand USB flash drive.
Patriot PSF64GAUSBG Axle 64GB USB Flash Drive - 64GB, USB 2.0, RoHS, Grey at TigerDirect.com (just an example)�
Jul 11, 2012
MikeK It's a USB thumb drive inserted in the second USB slot.�
Jul 12, 2012
dsm363 The tiny shelf is now standard
Get Amped Tour: News from the Road | Blog | Tesla Motors�
Jul 12, 2012
ckessel Very cool, I'm heartened Tesla is willing to dig through all the noise (good, bad, and whining) in all of our comments and digesting into tangible changes. They also noted (warning: off topic) changes due to unexpected wear in the test drives and some fixes they're going to make, so more positive changes happening early on and rolling into the production line.�
Jul 12, 2012
Soflauthor Back on topic. Since the "small shelf" cubbie is now standard, does anyone know the approximate dimensions of the front opening of the cubbie. How wide and how high? Outside dimensions are all that I need. If anyone has them or can get them during this weekend's test drives, please post here or send me a private message. Thx, again.�
Jul 12, 2012
rlawson4 Plus can someone post a pic of the official shelve? Thanks.�
Jul 12, 2012
NigelM @Mods: Carbon fiber and spoiler posts related to the blog announcement to be moved here?: New-Blog-Post-Get-Amped-Tour-News-from-the-Road�
Jul 12, 2012
AnOutsider indeed�
Jul 12, 2012
KangarooAustralia In its current form the centre console looks cheap and unfinished and not what I would expect from a vehicle in this price range.
I like the design by soflauthor too.
I favour cup holders that are concealed when not in use and slide out with a press of the finger.
There are many great examples in other car brands and models so there is no shortage of ideas for Telsa to play with.
Even economy priced Japanese and Korean cars are better resolved console designs than the Model S.
I like everything stored away out of sight in compartment with hinged covers.
Disclosure: I have a tendancy toward Obessive Compulsive Tidiness so the current design would drive me nuts! :tongue:�
Jul 12, 2012
Francis Lau Here is a pic from my Seattle test drive. There are a few more in that album. I am not sure if the final production shelf looks like this.
Photo_2012_07_06_044 by Francis Lau, on Flickr�
Jul 12, 2012
b.noing Opps, looks like here is the right place to post this for GeorgeB:
Here is a concept sketch developing the shelf vertically so it is more useful without giving up the floor storage for purses, pack packs, shoes, briefcases and take out bags.
Significantly, this also would help address the dangerous condition created with the current open shelf configuration. Any serious driver will tell you never to store anything in a position where it can roll under the brake or accelerator pedal. I've read of cases of women kicking off high heels for safer driving only to have them cause an accident.
I imagine the existing shelf used for sunglasses and phones, the drawer for smaller items or valuable items, and the cubby for hats, caps, the cloth for the screen, tire gage, point and shoot camera etc. The door faces might match the brushed aluminum.
I also like changing the color of the leather behind the steering wheel to black to take some of the stiffness out of the symmetry.
An optional aluminum cup holder might be attachable on the forward face of the existing cup holder location for people with the seat forward.
And thank you Tesla for not cluttering up the interior with redundant logos and brand signs.�
Jul 13, 2012
ddruz b. noing: I really like your Vertical Storage Extension Idea concept for those who wish to retain the open space yet add some concealed storage space. Bravo! There are lots of ways they could play with your concept, possibly offering a number of options, even including pop out or drop down cup holders that disappear when not in use. It would be doubly great if it was offered as a no-cost option.�
Jul 13, 2012
WhiteKnight That is perfect! I was trying to describe something like this a few weeks ago BUT a picture is worth at least 1,000 words. Great work.
My idea for cupholders (I'm repeating myself) was that Tesla make aluminum rings that extend from the dashboard like the door handles. When not in use they would just look like aluminum trim pieces. Then you could use the center console as an armrest (without cupholders) plus an optional mini refrigerator that could slide forward to front row and backward to the back row.
Edit: Cupholders would function like the disc tray in your CD player just aluminum and more sturdy (with a big enough opening for large beverages). Because they're aluminum they could be heated and cooled for the ultimate in cupholders (I know this needs to wait for S 1.5).�
Jul 13, 2012
jerry33 Sounds like a really good idea. +1. Still needs some cup-holder work. Perhaps a vertical flip-up in front of the arm rest?�
Jul 13, 2012
Robert.Boston I really like this approach, @b.noing! Clean, simple, and open, while providing useful concealed storage.
Perhaps the "add push-to-open drawer" would open up to be a pair of cupholders?�
Jul 13, 2012
Todd Burch B.noing, you've got it. A few changes to cupholder location and that's exactly what I'm looking for! Concealed storage while retaining the open feel.
The space under and behind the touchscreen is relatively useless anyway...THAT's where the concealed storage should be!
GeorgeB...^ this is what I think most of us are looking for!�
Jul 13, 2012
NigelM @b.noing: That looks great! Welcome to TMC. You've hit it out of the park first time out. Your idea plus the removable unit on the back seat would make this car absolutely perfect.
@GeorgeB: Note that so far this idea has 100% likes..... :biggrin:�
Jul 13, 2012
AnOutsider Almost�
Jul 13, 2012
ddruz ...combined with relocating the current cup holders of course. Then pretty close to perfect.�
Jul 13, 2012
Dborn Great idea! With this, certainly lose the armrest cup holders ! Personally, I don't need cup holders at all! But, as others have suggested making a retractable cup holder one of your compartments is a good idea. Then convert the existing cup holders in the armrest to dedicated covered storage for say sunglasses, and I think you have nailed it. I would want the doors to match the trim, surrounded by brushed aluminum to match the whole. Your option can be combined with one of the original ideas which has the usbports and phone holder under the armrest.�
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