Jan 16, 2015
EarlyAdopter I know. There are all those other sedans that can do 0-60 in 3.2s that we could buy for so much less... ;-)�
Jan 16, 2015
Jaff Firstly, thanks for the comprehensive review of the Next Gen seats...to those of us who did not receive Next Gen rear seats, nor have had the opportunity to sit in Next Gen rear seats, it was very valuable input.
Secondly, I agree totally with your sentiments here...
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Jan 16, 2015
Danal Exactly!
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Jan 16, 2015
mdevp All we need now is someone to compare the comfort of next gen rear vs rear seat 1.5. The next gen looks way more comfortable but looks can be deceiving.�
Jan 16, 2015
hhh I wonder how many potential buyers are holding back because of the whole sh**ty seat situation. I know I am. Super low gas prices does not help Tesla either. Looks like i could have a new order delivered in 2 months. Don't remember delivery ever being this fast? Hope they will be getting their act together fast.�
Jan 16, 2015
gavinwang No one has spotted that they are introducing "Executive Rear Seats" to replace "Next Gen Seats" in the back? It looks very nice with a central console. But judged from the photo, the console can't fold back, so the rear seats become a 2-seater, foreseeably a problem for some people. With the Executive Rear Seats comes the winder package for free, although it's not something i would want at my part of the world. Still waiting to speak with my DS on more detail with regard to various options for the rear seats. But from the message he dropped me, I would say there are now only two options left for the rear, old first generation seats, or the brand new executive seats, no more New Gen.�
Jan 16, 2015
darthy001 edit: forget the entire post. Dont have the energy to keep discussing this
Now I' m simply just sad that Tesla has once again managed to make the purchasing experience filled with negativity. If it hadnt been for the Norwegian price increase and absurd currency change towards USD I would have cancelled the car:frown:�
Jan 16, 2015
LostJackal42 I asked and the Tesla lady confirmed Executive Seats DO NOT FOLD DOWN they're fixed
Yes that would also be a decent option. My Scirocco has only two seats (similar to the Executive Seats) in the rear but both fold down perfectly however it doesn't have the middle armrest which presumably is the issue. The rear view mirror on that is pretty bad however I can't imagine having a headrest in the middle as well. Sure it will be fine....�
Jan 16, 2015
Gizmotoy Is the space-borrowing the issue? That's going to be the case whether the bolsters are there are not.
If the carseats sit tilted to one side because of the bolsters that could be a big issue. I'd be surprised no one noticed that prior to production, though.
I don't commonly see complaints that doesn't doesn't communicate, but rather that they don't do it well. As in, their messaging and answers aren't consistent and 5 owners can ask the same question and all get different answers. You still see that a bit here, even with Tesla proactively making the calls.�
Jan 16, 2015
MarcG My latest phone conversation with a Tesla Ownership representative confirms what others have been told: the next-gen rear seats' headrests are larger and block rear-view mirror vision more, so they're offering us the option to keep current gen rear seats. Same pricing for either option (take rear next-gen seats or not). No mention of fold-flat issue.�
Jan 16, 2015
Danal Who made the experience negative, Tesla, or this forum?
If I had never read the forum: I would have placed an order, been waiting, and gotten a call from Tesla explaining that some customers want rear seats one way, and some another, so they are changing the offering for future orders... and I could have my choice of either the old way or the new way. Which would I prefer?
What could possibly be negative about that?�
Jan 16, 2015
darthy001 very off-topic, but the answer is sadly both.
Tesla has directly been responsible for a DS who hasnt answered numerous emails, range has been "changed" numerous times, mytesla has shown my car to be finished twice and in transit twice even if the woman I spoke to yesterday said it was still waiting for transport almost 3weeks after finishing production, seats changed in the design part of mytesla without any info and of course now the completely different story about seats I got as compared to others here. Not to mention that I got to experience the first round of deliveries to Norway where options that was included in the US P-version, like 21" perf wheels, was made an expensive extra option to be paid for in Norway long after I made my reservation. That is soon two years ago and Tesla is still pulling similar stunts.
The forum has made me aware of "seatgate", blackhole cars, poor actual range of the cars delivered and of course horrible comms from tesla on all of those issues. All of these could have been spun in a positive way by Tesla, but instead we have seen obvious false claims, deleted tweets etc etc. Could mention heated steering wheel as well, but there I think the only wrong doing by tesla is not grasping that introducing that features just weeks after launching a new halo-car was idiotic. Who thought of that idea?
No doubt that if Tesla had any real competition in the market I would not be here any more... And that is not good for Tesla in the long run. And Tesla cant expect customers buying their car via a website to not use online sources to keep up to speed on developments.�
Jan 16, 2015
Danal Darthy001:
Yes, I fully agree that Tesla should expect people to be online and connect.
And... the rest of your experience... YIKES!! Very not good. My experience is/was very different... were I you, I'd be going up the chain somewhere in Tesla, or walking away, or...
Best of luck, and I hope your experience gets better.
Danal�
Jan 16, 2015
tc4542 The answer is Tesla is changing about as often as the wind changes directions�
Jan 16, 2015
4us2bev Rear NG Headrests are *exactly the same* as the New-Old Rear Headrests
I have a P85D with NG Fronts and New-Old Rears (with NG Rears promised for Q1 2015), and I have been confused about this as well -- whether the Rear NG Seats have different headrests than the New-Old Rear Seats (especially since the pictures on the Design Studio were so confusing before they disappeared).
In my car currently, I find the visibility out the back to be acceptable, because the center headrest on the New-Old Rears is lower than the left/right headrests. So I emailed Jerome, asking him if there were any differences between the headrests on the Rear NGs vs. the New-Old Rears. His response:
"The height of the headrests is identical for the NG rear seats as for the alternative rear seats. The outboard headrests are taller than the center one, both for the NG rear seats and for the alternative rear seats. The height of the outboard headrests is the same for the NG rear seats as the alternative rear seats. The height of the center headrest is the same for the NG rear seat as the alternative rear seat."
As a result, I will accept NG Rears once they become available because the lay-flat issue (if one exists) is of minor consequence to me, whereas rear visibility is a paramount safety issue.
(Thanks, Jerome!)
-- David�
Jan 16, 2015
MarcG Thanks for sharing this valuable information!�
Jan 17, 2015
redox Any indication about when in Q1 the swap would be available? They obviously have no more supply issue since they've built many cars with them...
-- Greg�
Jan 17, 2015
gpetti This is very useful as there have been some contradictory points on this. Its good to see Jerome make this statement so unambiguous but perhaps he should send an equally clear memo out to all the DSs and the people who are making the customer calls as this clearly isn't consistent with the messaging some owners are getting, i.e. some owners are being told that the problem with the NG seats is one of visibility.�
Jan 17, 2015
gavinwang Danal, wondering what you meant by "enhanced Napa Leather in the back". What is enhanced from the original first gen back seats? I'm in the same trench as you. Much appreciated.�
Jan 18, 2015
yobigd20 "Enhanced" nappa leather meant real leather on the doors instead of fake leather.�
Jan 18, 2015
commasign Actually the option for the lower dash and doors (before they lumped it into the premium interior package) was "extended leather". If Tesla reps are now saying "enhanced nappa leather" rear seats to convince people to accept the Gen1.5 standard leather seats instead of the NextGen leather seats originally ordered, that's sneaky.�
Jan 18, 2015
tc4542 The whole thing is sneaky or appears that way unfortunately...�
Jan 18, 2015
AMP85D You hit the nail on the head with that one.
Tesla could find themselves with several unhappy customers once they find out they've been duped.�
Jan 18, 2015
Danal I'm working from memory, so don't put too much into any single word.
What it seems to mean is: Start with Textile front and back; this is base for the P85. Then you can option leather front and back for $1500 US, or leather back + Next Gen Front for $3500 US. Which really makes the NG fronts $1000 each.
Which is where I landed, given the choice. I didn't want the taller headrests in the back (anywhere, not just the center), nor did I want the "bumps" in the "bench" in the back. Just me�
Jan 18, 2015
lolachampcar I was out at PBIR today and lowered the NexGen rear seats in a P85D. The bumps did not cause me any lay flat concerns. It is so close to my old P+ that I really do not see any difference. They are so similar that I find it hard to believe they would discontinue them because they do not lay flat enough.�
Jan 18, 2015
commasign But now that Jerome has spoken on the matter, we know that the NextGen rear seat headrests aren't any taller than the Gen1.5 standard rear seat headrests. If someone from Tesla told you otherwise, they were either lying or misinformed.�
Jan 18, 2015
Danal Tesla did not claim anything either way. In fact, they asked me why I was making the decision that I chose.
I was going by the photos of people who posted in this very thread. Specifically, this one:
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Jan 18, 2015
Danal My concern with bumps in the bench has nothing to do with folding. It has to do with 80 and 90 year old parents.�
Jan 18, 2015
4us2bev Which, I'm just noticing, does show the center headrest shorter than the adjacent one. But I can understand objections to bumps vs all-flat.
-- David�
Jan 19, 2015
OConnorStP I just got "the call" today. I figured my car was far enough down the queue that I wouldn't have a choice, so I was surprised to be asked. I'm part of the "fold flat" preference group. I've constructed a theory which may be complete baloney. I called my DS over the weekend and caught him on his day off. The person I talked to said he was 90% sure that all cars were coming with that kind of seats and I told him that was great, exactly what I wanted. My theory is that when my DS got back today he saw that my car was slated for NextGen rear seats and triggered the call so that I could express my preference. The reason I'm thinking this is that the person on the phone said "OK, I'll change your order and you'll get an email confirmation" at the end of the call. Put this one firmly in the "Grasping at Straws" department, but I'm glad they got it squared away. May the NextGen seats find a good home in somebody else's car.�
Jan 19, 2015
yobigd20 Next-gen REAR seats no longer available for new orders, please post feedback ...
As the previous photos posted shows, the difference in folding flat between the old and next gen is negligible at best. I don't know why anyone would select the old generation seats and use the "fold flat" as the reason for skipping the next gen rears. I guess you prefer less comfortable and mismatched seats??�
Jan 19, 2015
Jgdixon There is a larger lip where it folds and some of us are concerned about the seat bolsters for getting in and out and the comfort for larger people. My club has a meeting on Wednesday and there will be members with different versions of the seats there so we'll check it out first hand.�
Jan 19, 2015
stevezzzz My D came with the new-old seats, front and rear. The taller headrests in back were immediately apparent in the rear-view mirror, as was the need to put the front seatbacks more upright when folding the rears. As long as the NG rear headrests are no taller than what I've got, when the call comes I'm going to insist on NG front and rear.�
Jan 19, 2015
cynix Next-gen REAR seats no longer available for new orders, please post feedback ...
I just got "the call" today for my Australian P85D order. The guy on the phone acknowledged that the difference in fold-flatness is minimal, and there was no mention of headrests. I was told that I could keep my order as is, switch to standard rear seats without refund, or upgrade to executive seats. I opted to stay with the next-gen.�
Jan 20, 2015
mdevp Does anyone actually know is there is a comfort difference btw the next-gen rears and the new rears? The next gen looks more comfortable with that bolstering.�
Jan 20, 2015
lolachampcar I just saw mine at the Service Center. It has front and rear NextGens. I'll sit the rears at noon and offer an opinion.�
Jan 20, 2015
darthy001 My DS confirmed today that My car included nexgtgen seats back and front:love:�
Jan 20, 2015
lolachampcar NextGen rear seats fold down flat enough to throw in four tires mounted up on aftermarket rims�
Jan 20, 2015
commasign How's seat comfort?�
Jan 20, 2015
Dvc
Looking forward to reading your opinion:love:�
Jan 20, 2015
Marius Skauen Do your car show the next gen seats in front & "old" type rear on the order confirmation (PDF)?�
Jan 21, 2015
jpet My P85D (currently in production) will be delivered with front & back next gen seats. I received confirmation by phone from Tesla European HQ. In the "Model S Order Agreement" document (the one containing the full price and without pictures), there is no separation between front & back seats. It just says "Black New Gen Seats". In the "View Design" pdf, the one that is generated on the fly, I get the picture with the old type seats at the back. This is because, on the website, there is no longer a picture available with the next gen seats in the back. You should not worry about that if you have ordered next gen seats all the way.
As others have mentioned, the folding down height difference is quite small. For me having seats with the same "horizontal design and bolstering" front and back is much more important.�
Jan 21, 2015
YTACHI I got "the call" yesterday about the next-gen rear seats from Japanese SC.
DS says the rear seat angle when folded is less than 10 deg. So, my order was continued to the next-gen rear seats.
I took the order confirm PDF when I ordered at web. So, I can look the next-gen rear seats.�
Jan 21, 2015
lolachampcar Seats are comfortable in the rear and the bumps are not intrusive.�
Jan 21, 2015
jpet Thanks for the first hand confirmation. I am clueless as to why Tesla has decided to put 2 different seat designs (front vs back) in such a high-end car.�
Jan 21, 2015
darthy001 Must be a pending redesign and/or change of vendor. Cant think of another valid reason.�
Jan 21, 2015
celter Exactly. That's the only time I will need to fold down the rear seats.�
Jan 21, 2015
Jgdixon What about ingress/ egress sliding into the middle seat? I'm also concerned about people with a wider than normal 'beam' having to ride one of the bolsters. (Although some may like that :smile�
Jan 21, 2015
lolachampcar The bolsters are relatively small when compared with the front. I do not think there is going to be an ingress/egress issue but there is always a concern that someone wider than the bolster spacing may find them unacceptable.�
Jan 21, 2015
Jgdixon So we had our club meeting tonight and did some direct comparisons of the next gen rear seats versus the newer old style rear seat.
I can say that they were more comfortable to sit on although I could see some larger people having issues with the bolsters.
There still was confusion about the headrests, the outboard headrests on the next gen almost touched the headliner but the old seats did not. The size looked the same so we were puzzled. I think the reason that happens is the next gen is on more of an angle. Can a couple of you check the angles of your seats? The middle headrests looked the same size but the next gen looked closer to the headliner too. This could impact on visibility.�
Jan 21, 2015
actionspa This is the first post where I've seen the offer to upgrade to executive seats. Has anyone else been given this option?�
Jan 22, 2015
Dvc I have been given the option to upgrade to executive seats as well. I just received the call in the last 30 mins.�
Jan 22, 2015
cynix It's not really an offer, he was merely pointing out that I could pay to upgrade if I wanted to. Sorry if my wording wasn't very clear.�
Jan 22, 2015
CHGolferJim Are the backs of the NG rear seats possibly taller than previous version so that the same size headrests go closer to the headliner?�
Jan 22, 2015
Jaff We looked at two cars side by side last night at our club meeting...it is very difficult to tell, but, I understand that Tesla is saying that they are the same height...I did find the Next Gen rear seats more comfortable and better looking (my opinion)...�
Jan 22, 2015
Sigma4Life Add me to the list of customers that received the call asking if I wanted the next gen rear seats. I was called yesterday afternoon. I asked why some customers didn't like them and he said all complaints centered around how flat they fold. He said the head rests are the same height as the other seat options so that was not an issue with any customers.
FYI, I confirmed my order Jan. 13.�
Jan 22, 2015
mdevp Seems to me that Tesla had no idea how many people would order the next gen seats which is about 95% of P85D orders. Instead of admitting that they mishandled this assumption they are now falling back on this "seat laying flat problem" excuse that no one seems to have a problem with. They should really just admit whats going on and reduce the price of the nex gen seat package going forward, I'm sure no one would fault them if they did so, these things happen.�
Jan 22, 2015
Elshout Did you trade in your P85 to Tesla? I'm about ready to trade my S85 12/26/2012 and was pretty disappointed at the low value as the car has every option other than P.�
Jan 22, 2015
PlanB it sucks but it takes a long time to sell a used Tesla, the market isn't that strong right now. If you do not need the money quickly then sell it or self or trade it in if you do not want the hassle.�
Jan 22, 2015
commasign Can someone with rear NextGen seats comment on how many LATCH positions there are? All 3 seats or just the 2 outboard seats? Thanks!�
Jan 22, 2015
Sigma4Life Thats a unnecessarily negative tone IMO. Why is it so hard to believe that some early customers complained? Tesla doesn't need to lie or cover up anything. I think they simply misjudged how important flat folding seats are for some customers. They freaked out and now they are scrambling to fix the mistake.�
Jan 22, 2015
TSchaefer There are alot of vehicles that have folding back seats that do not fold totally flat because of bolstering. Our order went in at a time that we were given the option to keep the next gen backseat or get the old seats. We chose the next gen. In our Chevrolet SUV, the headrests fold backwards when the rear seat is folded forward so that it does not press against the front (especially the driver) seat. I would think they could engineer a headrest, especially in the middle that would fold backward when not in use so as to not block the rearview. But even in our current Tesla when someone is sitting tin the middle back seat the rearview is blocked.
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Jan 22, 2015
Andyw2100 It's one thing to have your view blocked by a person that needs to be there. It's quite another to have it blocked by something that is going to be used a very, very small percentage of the time.
Tesla really should have designed (and still should design) the middle head rest to fold or slide or in some other way move so that when not in use, it does not obstruct the driver's view out the rear window. Folding the rear seats down is an option, but not a great one, and of course doesn't work at all if you do have passengers in the back, but no middle back passenger.�
Jan 22, 2015
actionspa Today I got the call, exactly the same script about the fold down issue. I told him I really liked the look of the executive seats and would prefer changing the NG to the Exec.
He said "ok, I"ll make a note of it"
That was easy, thanks Tesla!�
Jan 23, 2015
tc4542 I'm not 100% positive, but I think the headrest/restraint design issue may be related to the current and upcoming federal mandated requirements for cars manufactured in the US. I remember speaking with someone (maybe the reg Porsche Rep) about the changes required due 2016??? In the same conversation there was a discussion about EPA mandates affecting ICE vehicles also due 2016. Both of theses mandates were pretty intense requiring "redesign" to comply.
In other words I'm not sure Tesla can redesign these to fold down, or whatever, and still comply. I thinks that's probably why the same obstructed view problems exist with both seats/headrests.�
Jan 23, 2015
Andyw2100 I see you don't have a lot of posts here, so I just want to make sure you're aware of a couple of things. You do realize that there will be a somewhat significant additional charge associated with that change, right? Also your front seats and back seats will have a different appearance, as your front seats will be Next Generation seats, but your back seats look like they were modeled after the 1.5 seats. The stitching patterns and bolsters are very different.
You may well be aware of these things, but I just wanted to make certain.�
Jan 23, 2015
mindsweeper I would like to re-submit my comment and theory on the calling all P85D customers on seat choice.
How many P85D's were delivered with old seats due lack of new seats? When Tesla refurbish those cars with next gen seats, what are they going to do with all the seats they take out of the cars? I think this is Tesla's way to get rid of a whole bunch of old gen backseat rows. Refurbish and install in cars whose owners during the call were convinced to fall back to older style seats.�
Jan 23, 2015
McMuggets
This is confirmed? If so what is the source? Some people have had deliveries that did not have the true next-gen installed, but were told they will get Next-Gen installed for free at a later date when it is available.
I was told by my DS that I had a choice between Next-Gen back and Regular Back. I chose Next-Gen and all she said was "Ok, thanks for confirming. You will get Next-Gen seats in the back".�
Jan 23, 2015
gpetti I'm sure andy will respond but as I'm reading this now... He is talking about the "executive rear seats" which is yet another seat variation that is now offered as an option if you look at the model S configurator. They are fairly nice and include a rear console/cupholder but they do not fold down, do not allow the center rear seat to be used and as Andyw2100 says, they have an extra charge and do not match the next gen seats.
On re-reading your question, you may be asking for confirmation that it is possible to upgrade to the exec seats. This has been confirmed by a few people who have been offered that option.
This thread includes pics of the seats and some discussion:
Model S Executive Rear Seats With Arm Rest�
Jan 23, 2015
breser I seriously doubt they can install refurbished seats in new cars.�
Jan 23, 2015
Andyw2100 A huge number of P85Ds were delivered without the Next Gen seats they should have had. But there are a couple of reasons your theory doesn't make a lot of sense. For one, as breser has pointed out, Tesla isn't going to put refurbished seats in anyone's car and call them new seats. Also as far as I know, no one who has received a P85D without the Next Gen seats has had the Next Gen swapped in yet, and no one has the swap scheduled, so Tesla doesn't yet have any seats to refurbish.
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I'm really not sure what you are referring to.
The people who have had deliveries without Next Gen installed, who are getting them later as you say "for free" already paid for them. We should have received the Next Gen seats at delivery. We didn't, so we'll be getting them later. We're not getting anything "for free."
Your DS gave you a choice between Next Gen rear seats, which you have presumably ordered and are planning on paying for, or the older style 1.5 rear seats, along with Next Generation front seats, but without any sort of adjustment in price. In my opinion you made the right choice to stick with the Next Gen rear seats. After asking about the seats, did your DS offer to let you paint his fence?�
Jan 23, 2015
Jaff I am certain that McMuggets use of the term "for free" is referring to the fact that those who elected to have their "missing at delivery" Next Gen seats installed when available, will not be facing any sort of additional installation charge / fee...�
Jan 23, 2015
McMuggets
thanks Jaff, that's exactly what I meant. Perhaps my English writing skills aren't the best when I am posting on the fly on my iPhone.
@Andyw2100. Thanks for clarifying.�
Jan 23, 2015
Danal
That does not make sense given that Tesla is calling each owner and giving them the choice. Anyone who ordered NG all around, and simply states that they still want that during the call, gets NG all around. How does that give Tesla any relief from any missed assumptions, missed quantity estimates, etc?
Not trying to be a smart-alec... I literally do not see how anything they are doing now "fixes" any issues they might or might not have had internally with supply?�
Jan 23, 2015
CHGolferJim They find out fairly exactly how many NG they need to order before introducing v.3? No wasted purchases of a deleted item.�
Jan 23, 2015
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Jan 25, 2015
mindsweeper The PDF has now been updated to reflect my choice of full next gen seats when I got "the call" a few weeks ago�
Jan 25, 2015
slippery Hi, a newbie here and trying to learn as much as I can while I can still change the spec of my car. Until a very helpful Model S owner told me a couple of days ago, I didn't even realise there ever was such a thing as next generation rear seats, as by the time I designed a car they weren't shown. The only thing that niggled me about the seats, was how flat the standard rear bench looks, which I think is out of place in a high end luxury car. I'm going for the executive seating option and living with the fact that I get one less seat and that they won't fold. As someone who has bailed out of an i8 build to join this party instead, I figure I'm still gaining a massive advantage over what I was going to get in the practicality stakes anyway and I think the centre console in the rear really finishes the car off and gives it a cockpit feel. If I hadn't read on here about the different design of the executive rear seat to the front, I wouldn't have given it a second thought, as to me they are a completely separate entity.
By the way, slightly off topic I know, but I am HUGELY excited about this car!�
Jan 25, 2015
yobigd20 Curius about what you thought about the i8. Problems? Or just not practical? Or it only get like 5 miles of real EV range? Welcome to the Tesla club�
Jan 25, 2015
3s-a-charm Interesting... I was told this was only possible if your car is not in production or finished. I was told the exec rear seat is not retrofittable for cars with next gen or older seats. I would strongly (90%) consider going with exec seating for when they change out my seats if this is a possibility.�
Jan 26, 2015
slippery I ordered the i8 last September, with a delivery scheduled for May 2015. I liked the Tesla Model S P85+, but fell for the dramatic looks of the i8. I know it divides opinion, but I like it, particularly from the front. The only thing that niggled me about it was the performance, which was no stronger than my 17 year old TVR, in a car that looked like a supercar. When the P85D was launched, I really wanted one, but was quoted July 2015 delivery, when May was already seeming like an eternity! Last week, I checked again regarding the P85D delivery and was quoted June. I then knew that I would be silly not waiting an extra month for the car I know I will probably enjoy more, hence the swap.�
Jan 26, 2015
actionspa How flat the standard rear bench looks was my opinion exactly. I have only owned Lexus over the past 20 years and my current 2013 ES interior creamed the Tesla standard... until now. Finally there is a luxury option for this magnificent car!
Go for the Exec. rear! Call em up, get it changed, you won't regret it. While your at it, tell them to put the steering wheel on the left where it belongs :smile:
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Dvc,
What did you decide to do?�
Jan 31, 2015
hly NextGen rear seats are back in design studio�
Jan 31, 2015
yobigd20 That's great. I guess they realized that 1000x more people were pissed about the removal (because to everyone else it was obviously an extremely poor decision) than maybe the one or two complaints about it not folding flat they got. They jumped the gun too quick on that one. Now only if they could add the cup holder cinchers back, then they would become usable again.�
Jan 31, 2015
hly I confirmed my order two weeks ago when only the next gen front seats were available. I was given the option today to add the next gen rear seats to my order and just added after going here to check for the (non) issues of fold down flat and headrest visibility.
On a related topic I initially ordered with 21" Summer and 19" Winter wheels. After reading other forum members experience I cancelled the 21" last week and went back to 19" All Season and 19" Winter. I will swap out the Michelin All Season for Michelin PS3 to have real Summer and real Winter wheels.
The wealth of information on this forum is invaluable for newbies like me. Thank you for sharing.�
Jan 31, 2015
jpet I learned something else tonight. Tesla made a design change to the cushioning material in the bolsters. They now use a softer foam in the area where the top and bottom of the next gen seat bolsters meet so that the folding flat issue is no longer an issue. I think most people will be very happy about this improvement and the subsequent return of the next gen seats in the back. Thank you Tesla!�
Jan 31, 2015
elecanuck Just got my D yesterday, I like the rear seats, seem comfortable enough, folded down enough for me to put 4 19" winter tires in with room to spare. Won't be folding them much more not as the 2 and 5 year old want to drive in Daddy's new car... car seats LATCH in well BTW
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Jan 31, 2015
commasign Thanks for the pics! The one on the left side of the pic looks like a Britax. Marathon? Does its base fit between the two bolsters or does it end up squeezing them?�
Jan 31, 2015
Andyw2100 Wondering what you mean by "swap out." I also have the Michelin All Season, unused, but mounted on wheels, but might be interested in summer tires instead, since I have the winter tire package.
Thanks.�
Jan 31, 2015
elecanuck yup it's a britax, the base fits between the bolsters perfectly without indenting them, I threw an old towel under them to protect the seats and to catch the Cheerios...�
Jan 31, 2015
Andyw2100 Did you hear anything about a design change to the headrests to improve visibility? Also as for the design change concerning the bolsters, what, if anything, do you know about the timing of it with respect to cars in production and cars still due seats?�
Jan 31, 2015
hly I am getting the Michelin Pilot Sport 3 from TireRack and will have them installed on the 19" wheels that come with the Michelin Primacy. Like you I also ordered the winter tire package so don't have a need for all season tires. Much better to have max performance tires for Summer and dedicated winter rubber for Winter.�
Jan 31, 2015
Andyw2100 Ah, OK.
So you're just selling (or already sold) the Primacy's then? You didn't work anything out with Tesla or TireRack or anything along those lines?�
Feb 1, 2015
hly I think I am just going to sell those never-used Primacy tires on this forum or EBay.�
Feb 1, 2015
jpet I have no other info but my car has been in production since January 15 and I would not be surprised if the back seats have something to do with the unusual long production time. Maybe Tesla is currently waiting for a new batch of improved seats to arrive? For me the headrests are fine the way they now are. Given the acceleration of the P85D, you want to have good headrests for additional safety in the back.�
Feb 1, 2015
Andyw2100 Thanks.
Yes, no question about wanting good headrests. I was just hoping that perhaps Tesla had come up with a way to give us good head rests and improved visibility at the same time. For example, people have talked about sliding headrests, that could slide down and out of the way when not in use, as a possibility. So I was just wondering if you had heard anything along those lines. I understand that you haven't, but it would not surprise me if at some point the next or the next next Next Generation seats have some sort of visibility improvement.�
Feb 1, 2015
hly Now that I think about it, are the next gen seats from Recaro?
I don't think I have seen Recaro seats with sliding headrests. They always seem to be an integral part of the seat structure.
Can the display of the rear camera be used instead? And how about a display screen instead of a glass in the rearview "mirror"? That would be cool.�
Feb 2, 2015
hly I got the call from Tesla in California today asking whether I wanted the standard rear seat or next gen. I was explained that next gen has better support, slightly higher headrests, and fold down to about 7% incline whereas the standard seats fold completely flat.�
Feb 2, 2015
MarcG That's not true of my "standard" non-next gen leather seats. I can't wait to get my seats replaced with the next gen ones. Did they give you an ETA?�
Feb 2, 2015
Andyw2100 It sounds like they are building his car, so his ETA would be whenever his car is supposed to be ready. Even if there is a delay again now due to limited availability of Next Gen rear seats, they wouldn't be telling customers with cars in the build process about it at this stage.�
Feb 3, 2015
darthvdr Anyone having issues putting child seats to the NG seats? Looks like the bolsters may cause an issue that angles child seats.�
Feb 3, 2015
Zextraterrestrial they do fold flat(at least my classic seats do). but they are higher than the rear trunk area. Next gen will be 'ramped' based on the 7% incline mentioned upthread�
Feb 3, 2015
darthy001 Would be interested to know the same. A thread on the norwegian forum discusses the 1.5seats and their new headrest causing big issues with child seats for older children.
Edit: had actually forgotten the pictures just a few posts above.�
Feb 3, 2015
PatD I just received my call. My order was placed 1.5 weeks ago when only the front NG seats were available in design. Not yet confirmed. The rep I spoke with didn't mention this but DID mention a 7% "incline" when folded so they will NOT fold flat he said. So not sure who to believe, but fyi for anyone else in the same boat.�
Feb 3, 2015
hly That's exact. My car is not built yet, expected delivery end March only.
I did specifically ask whether opting for the next Gen rear seats would delay my delivery and was told that it would not, "if there is a delay it will not be because of the rear seats". So basically a very non committed answer.�
Feb 3, 2015
uselesslogin Did anyone see they are now back to normal on the order page? Very odd.
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Feb 3, 2015
PatD Not odd at all (Well, odd we went through this, but. . .) As of this past Friday, next gen rear seats are back on. Tesla said they received enough people stating they wanted matching seats, etc., that they've put the next gen rear seats back. If you order next gen, you get front and rear next gen seats. Order standard seats, get standard front and back. That's that. Anyone that RECENTLY ordered is getting the phone call others got when they originally got rid of the NG rear seats asking what you prefer. I'm in that list of people and got my call today; will most likely switch to NG rear seats since I can now.�
Feb 4, 2015
jpet The Tesla person that gave me the info said they received it in an internal memo. My car has just completed production. It'll have the next gen seats at the back and incline or not, these are the seats I want no matter what. :smile:�
Feb 5, 2015
PatD OK, so hoping to not beat a dead horse, but I'm trying to figure out the seats here.
My understanding (And from what I've seen in pictures), the most recent STANDARD rear seats all had the lower/same level headrests and no bulges. See below - this is a photo from design without the NG seats -
However, I've now seen several P85Ds without NG seats, but the rear seats have the higher/staggered head rests and ever so slight bulges. What gives?�
Feb 5, 2015
AMP85D The design studio depiction is not accurate. Since late last year all rear seats have the larger staggered head rests. It's best to go by the photos you've seen of the actual standard rear seats that have been delivered. The small, same-sized rear head rests are no longer available, even though they are depicted that way in the design studio.�
Feb 5, 2015
PatD Ahhh, perfect - exactly what I was looking for. So it SOUNDS like the only difference between the NG and standard seats are the laying flat issue, which it sounds like most people say ISN'T an issue as the standard seats don't lay flat either. Sounds like there's really no reason NOT to get the NG seats (I have the option right now. . .) Thanks!�
Feb 6, 2015
jpet The visual differences between the next gen and the "normal" back seats are bolstering and horizontal stitching (next gen) vs vertical stitching (normal). The next gen seats are a design improvement IMO.�
Feb 6, 2015
PatD Was out at my local SC today to look at the one car they had with NG rear seats. It was full of wheels as it's going to Russia! The seats were VERY flat with all that weight, but I was hoping to sit in the rear seats.
Anyway, called the mall up the road as they have a store there and also some cars you can drive. Was hoping they'd have one. Nope - the rep informed me the rear NG seats were discontinued, so they won't be getting any. Yeh, time to work on those communication skills, Tesla!�
Feb 6, 2015
Gr8pursuit When I placed my order on 1/17, the Next Gen rear seats were not being offered. Called my advisor a few days ago to confirm if Next Gen rear seats were being offered again and now I got them. They even updated my interior photo in My Tesla with the Next Gen rear seats. I grabbed a snapshot of it just in case my car is delivered without them.�
May 19, 2015
dcohen Did you get Next Gen rears?�
May 21, 2015
McMuggets I like my next-gen rears. Saw some other peoples cars without them and I must say I would prefer the next-gens over the flatter look. There is no problem with child car seats either. They look more matched to the next-gen fronts.�
May 21, 2015
dcohen I do not think my car, which is in transit will have it. It is crazy that a car in this price range would not have matching front and back seats. IMHO.�
May 21, 2015
sandpiper This is another indicator that a new interior is coming. It makes no sense to have non-matching seats.�
Jun 26, 2015
cassiri Just picked up my P85D two days ago at Fremont. I drove it for a day before realizing my back seats matched the next gen front seats. After reading the posts here and looking at the design tool online it didn't appear that I would get the next gen back seats. Did they quietly redesign the back ones and put them back in production?�
Jun 26, 2015
yobigd20 On-again off-again on-again off-again on-again�
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