Oct 11, 2013
spleen You realize that CHAdeMO is DC charging so like Superchargers, they bypass the dual chargers, yes? So while you may have a lot more opportunities to use your dual chargers now, CHAdeMO won't be one of them.�
Oct 11, 2013
arg While I agree with your point that dual chargers are more relevant away from home, the dual chargers are not applicable to the CHAdeMO adapter: CHAdeMO is DC and so makes use of the same on-board equipment as Supercharging (ie. the charger itself is in the CHAdeMO cabinet, not using the one(s) in the car). The on-board chargers are only used for AC input.�
Oct 11, 2013
J1mbo For me, charging speed - and the ability to charge from as many sources as possible - has to be right up there at the top of the list of mandatory items, above even S, P or P+. Twin chargers + supercharger + Chademo (thank you thank you thank you!) is a no-brainer.
It's just mildly annoying that these things are being sold as options. Who wouldn't want twin chargers? That one time at thanksgiving, when you are far away from home, all the family are in the car, and maybe you ran out of charge quicker than you thought you would... do you really want to have to spend those extra hours - while the car charges at 50% of the available charging speed - wishing you had paid for the upgrade?�
Oct 11, 2013
ds2022 You can now sign up for the waiting list for the adapter. I had a website tracking it for changes and it changed yesterday. I am now on the list.
This is a game changer for Atlanta since the superchargers are not coming here for a long time. You can now go north and to Birmingham and west. The good thing is Nissan dealerships are adding DC chargers quickly which helps to go places that do not have good highway access (like the gulf coast, Destin, 30A) and where superchargers may not address even when they come in 2015.
I think this adapter vastly improves access and is a much better investment than dual chargers which are more expensive, it is very rare to find >40A chargers in the wild, and less than half as fast as CHAdeMO.
From the website:
For customers already taken delivery of your Model S, sign up for wait list and product updates by emailing:[email�protected].�
Oct 11, 2013
Gizmotoy On the other hand, with CHAdeMO and SCC rollout ramping up, it might make sense to bet on Level 3 charging and put your dual charger money towards the DC adapter(s) if you can't install a HPWC at home.�
Oct 11, 2013
Puyallup Bill Yes, my bad. Guess I shouldn't be posting after midnight.:frown:�
Oct 11, 2013
Palpatine Anyone who has a HPWC that they cannot install at home should donate it to a location where it could be useful to expand the range of the nearby Tesla community.�
Oct 11, 2013
100thMonkey I would highly recommend not basing the availability of the CHAdeMO adapter/CHAdeMO chargers on whether you go with the Twin chargers. It's been my experience, that taking an "all of the above" approach to charging option preparations is the key. the value of being able to use plugshare/Recargo and plug into 80A chargers in the wild can be critical if you find yourself in a pinch or are off the beaten path. currently there are nearly 200,000 gas stations in the US, there is a lot of redundancy for a reason, because all kinds of things come up that make convenience the key. each owners home charging station makes up for a lot of this, but the value of having all the options open as you go, particularly on longs trips, should not be underestimated!�
Oct 11, 2013
ggbjr CHAdeMO Adapter coming this winter
Agreed. Just ordered mine.�
Oct 11, 2013
liuping I totally agree. I added the dual to mine for that reason.
Plus, I have adapters for 5-15, 5-20, TT30, 10-30, 10-50, 14-30, 6-20, and 14-50 outlets. I consider it relatively cheap insurance for road trips. Even if I only need them once, it will make the $220 investment well worth it.�
Oct 11, 2013
100thMonkey LOL! you've got me beat by the 5-20. It is all cheap insurance, much cheaper than my time waiting around. It's surprising how much one's perspective changes with respect to what is valuable before vs after ownership. as time goes by, you realize it's all valuable, depending on what is available wherever you are... Even a TT30 limited to 20A at 110V is worth it's weight in gold for multi day camping if your only other option is a 5-15 at 12A, just as a CHAdeMO adapter is if your only other option is 80A at 240V when you are actually having to stand around counting the minutes, it's all VERY relative!!! My goal is to limit, as much as possible, actually sitting at a charging station waiting for the car to charge. With more options, it's easier to get the charging done while you are sleeping/eating or otherwise having fun somewhere you'd rather be.
The CHAdeMO adapter is going to be a very valuable tool in the charging adapter chest for trip planning!!�
Oct 11, 2013
jomo25 Thanks! I signed up. Now I just need 1-2 SCs between here and CA. Let's see which 'winter' arrives first. AZ SCs or Chademo Adapter.�
Oct 11, 2013
sp4rk And now Nissan is offering $15,000 to businesses to install CHAdeMO chargers ...
Nissan Offers $15,000 For New Electric-Car Quick Chargers By Dec 31
How will this play out? As Model S can now charge at them, will Nissan rethink this?
And for this new program, who will pay for the electricity? Consumer or Nissan?�
Oct 11, 2013
liuping To be fair, it's a 5-15/5-20 combo adapter from EVSEadapters.com, so it's sort of cheating.
Charging at 16 Amps instead of 12 may come in handy at some point though...�
Oct 11, 2013
Palpatine That article is crazy good for Tesla owners. Nissan is paying subsidies of $15,000 for DC quick charge station, plus the 30% tax credit, etc.
So Tesla Model S owners can use Nissan subsidized CHAdeMO DC chargers, but Nissan Leaf owners cannot use Tesla Superchargers.
Works for me.
It sounds like the business is the owner of the CHAdeMO DC chargers.
Each business will likely make a decision as to the cost for use of the electricity (free or fee).�
Oct 17, 2013
Tacket New picture of the CHAdeMO adapter plugged in:
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Oct 18, 2013
andrewket CHAdeMO is direct DC charging, isn't it? The on board chargers (twin or single) are not used. This is why you need the supercharging option enabled to use the CHAdeMO adapter.�
Oct 18, 2013
widodh Seems like a lot of stress on the chargeport to me.�
Oct 18, 2013
jomo25 Well, all depends on how heavy the Chademo plug and the adapter end of the unit is. Never held a Chademo plug so its hard to say. I can only assume that the port can handle it if Tesla designed it as such and is selling it.�
Oct 18, 2013
zax123 I've noticed people don't seem to buy the 6-50 adapter. Why is that? I've actually needed it twice now... welding stations use it and it comes in quite handy.�
Oct 18, 2013
J1mbo That, or they are not allowed to have the adapter on the ground for safety/standards reasons.�
Oct 18, 2013
brianman I have the 6-50 adapter and have used it zero times in > 18,000 miles. Just another data point.�
Oct 18, 2013
stopcrazypp The Yazaki connector shown in the picture (and used in most CHAdeMO stations) weighs 3.5 lbs (1.6kg) not including the cable. If you add the socket on the Tesla adapter I would say there's a good 7 lbs or more hanging there.
http://charge.yazaki-group.com/english/pdf/YPES-15-1197E.pdf
Like I said previously, given both are locking connectors, I assume most of the weight is taken up by the locking pins (which I assume is more robust than the other pins, although it would still be more strain than anticipated at least on the CHAdeMO connector side). Otherwise, yes it would result in excess strain on the charging port.�
Oct 18, 2013
liuping I don't know where I would find a welding station on a trip.
For me the adapters are only for road trips. I have absolutely no range anxiety while in San Diego, and will not even be carrying the UMC (I plan on just leaving it plugged in at home)�
Oct 18, 2013
pilotSteve Actually this looks like a very nice solution given all the problems Tesla faced. I'm going to order one now, especially after seeing this photo. As everyone knows we have lots of ChaDeMo stations here in OR/WA that I'd like to be able to use.�
Oct 18, 2013
Zapped Still cost the business $13k after a $12k Federal Tax Credit. Seems Nissan's $40k cost to install could be artificially high, so they're not really dishing out much. Doesn't TESLA install for at no cost to the business ? Be interesting to know how many businesses will go for the Nissan deal.�
Oct 21, 2013
TurboFroggy Tesla has posted an updated picture of the Chademo adapter actually plugged in:![[?IMG]](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/blogger_img_proxy/AEn0k_u1Vwp61vC70tYSghgMkrpgJ2rBgBGYVPATJoWitZ7bv_nQYKHGokM2d1xjfq6AbTxhV6lLrwukzRR2UewXvsBCfJ-hjVn9Dv2vPL9WJgYMrgX7YjpvDK9PkvjzpY-orUEJAPYB6fUd7Z2pQg-q7dJrTBxq=s0-d)
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Oct 21, 2013
Morristhecat Nice to see something beyond a rendering. Its getting real! :thumbup:�
Oct 22, 2013
AmpedRealtor Just because the Model S is big and heavy doesn't mean that someone who purchased a Model S only would have bought a comparably heavy BMW, Mercedes, Audi, etc. My previous car was a Prius that averaged 48 MPH. If I had not purchased the Model S, I likely would have sprung for a Lexus hybrid at around $50k. My annual fueling cost in a Prius was around $1,400, Model S is just under $400, so in my case the cost of the CHAdeMO would be roughly equivalent to a year of gas savings.�
Oct 22, 2013
liuping I guess I don't use "a year of gas" as a measure of if something is worth getting for the Model S. The car itself is 90+ "years of gas", so one more for additional refueling flexibility at the destination city (where superchargers generally are not found), seems reasonable to me.�
Oct 22, 2013
DuncanWatson To be honest. $1000/year of fuel savings is probably the floor. Comparing a Prius to a Tesla Model S is being extremely generous to the generic ICE population. It may be accurate for a particular user but it certainly isn't the mean or even median convert. And if you are looking at potential converts vs actual the situation gets more biased toward lower MPG on the ICE side.�
Oct 22, 2013
Pmacafee What is the current state of the Blink DC chargers? I know that Blink had problems with the J1772 plugs on their L2 chargers and did not maintain all the stations they installed. There are quite a few Blink DC fast chargers in the SF Bay Area, where I am. Is anyone here using these chargers on another vehicle and can report on their true availability? I put a lot of miles on my S every day and access to these chargers via the CHAdeMO adaptor would make a huge difference to me.
-P
Philip Macafee�
Oct 22, 2013
TonyWilliams Virtually all Blink charge stations have potential failings, so it's not wise to expect that they are going to work. For CHAdeMO DC charging, at least you don't have to worry about them physically damaging your car like the Blink J1772 30 amp stations can.
Blink was recently purchased after sucking up over $100 million of your tax money (and sold for about $3 million), so I would expect that it will be a long time before that new company gets around to fixing all the Blinks.
Consider that any Blink that you find to work properly as a good day to buy a lottery ticket.�
Oct 22, 2013
miimura The CEO of CarCharging Group sent an e-mail letter to Blink Network members which I partially quote below:
We will see how quickly their reputation improves. A key metric will be the amount of time it takes to bring offline CHAdeMO units back online. Stories like this one at Plugincars.com show how bad it has been at times.�
Oct 23, 2013
stopcrazypp I wouldn't hold my breath. CarCharging Group is stuck with it's own troubles in Chicago:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-0926-charging-ruling--20130926,0,7873451.story
They manage the Walgreens chargers too, so the reliability of those are probably a good indication of this company.�
Oct 23, 2013
Johan Regarding the pics posted: If the J1772 Combo AC-DC is the "Frankenplug" then this is the "Frankendapter". It sure looks like it would put mechanical stress on the charge port. That said I'll want it as soon as they announce it in EU!�
Oct 24, 2013
Pmacafee That link seems to require a membership, but here is another Tribune link that describes the tawdry dealings at length.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-09-29/business/ct-biz-0929-car-charging-group-20130929_1_350green-charging-stations-electric-vehicle-stations
Philip MacAfee�
Oct 26, 2013
AMPd Can you elaborate further, any links to stories of blink chargers damaging vehicles would be great.�
Oct 27, 2013
miimura Tony's Blink home charging station melted his RAV4 EV. All the gory pictures are here. That event and others exposed the fact that Blink used J1772 handles from REMA that were very poorly crimped. The poorly crimped pins overheat when they're used at 30A. That eventually led Blink to turn down many home and public charging stations to 16A. Some folks got their J1772 cord replaced and the station turned back up to the normal 30A level. A related story at PluginCars.com showed that Honda put thermal protection on the J1772 inlet of the Fit EV and protected their cars from this same defect.�
Oct 27, 2013
AMPd Wow!
Interesting, I'm guessing the public blink chargers are ok since none have damaged any vehicles.
Thank you for filling me in!�
Oct 27, 2013
dhrivnak have you personally had issues? When I did a 1000 mile trip in my Roadster I used Blink a lot and they all worked. I do think they are trying and have made improvements.�
Oct 27, 2013
jerry33 An event at a City of Plano facility a couple of months ago had a non-working Blink. It didn't affect me, but the Leaf owner who attended couldn't charge and had to look elsewhere. He didn't have enough range to make it back home so it was kind of important to find a working EVSE.�
Oct 27, 2013
TNEVol I was in your area a few months ago and my granddaughter wanted to stop at Cracker Barrell. Two different CBs Blink chargers did not work. Fortunately I was not desperate for a charge. I have also tried the one at CB headquarters in Lebanon and it worked the first time but not the second. Also at two others I found them to be derated? Only permitted charging at 11mph. I have tried to stop there to support the infrastructure although I have never really needed the charge but it now doesn't seem worth it. Perhaps some of the Blink problems are bankruptcy related but I know I m not going to use them at .49 per Kw. BTW I am in greeneville frequently. Lets talk.�
Oct 27, 2013
markb1 Wouldn't bet on it. They turned down the amperage on a lot of public stations, too.�
Nov 3, 2013
Earthdog Prior to the sale they dropped all Commercial Blink units to 17amps unless the had been retrofitted with new J1772 cables. Currently the new owner has not provided public information regarding replacing the cables. The company I work with is offering owners (after 12/31/13 they are owned) replacement cables and then the units can be enabled to 30amps. After enabling them to 30amps the (then owner) can take the unit offline from the Blink Network and can be free.
The point of failure of the Blink Commercial Unit is the display. The real trick is by pass the display. This can be done if the (then owner) wants to not charge any fees and go offline.�
Nov 4, 2013
TonyWilliams Yes, there are guys that have already done this! Thankfully, it's real easy.�
Nov 6, 2013
GDH I want this adapter because I currently have no place to plug in my car over night (I live in an apartment in NW Portland). I emailed Tesla to get on the list for the adapter and was told yesterday that they haven;t even started production of the adapter which is a huge disappointment. My guess it will be ready in Jan or late feb.�
Nov 6, 2013
100thMonkey wow, that is a bummer! Then again, I am very happy that is is coming, happy that it isn't some huge box you lay on the ground with a cord like some were talking, also very happy it's not multiple thou$ands.�
Nov 25, 2013
Mario Kadastik Well for EU market I just got word from my delivery specialist that the adapter is planned for Q3 2014 earliest. They still need to develop it she said. *sigh*�
Nov 25, 2013
Gizmotoy Q4 2014? On their website is says "Available this winter." I know their dates are commonly optimistic, but I don't think they're that optimistic.�
Nov 25, 2013
ZBB That's the US-spec adapter. Euro-spec cars have a different style charge port on the car...�
Nov 25, 2013
Gizmotoy Ugh. Obviously you're correct. I completely forgot about that.�
Nov 25, 2013
Mario Kadastik It still is disappointing ... I remember in July promises of this year, then heard of Feb-March. Now Q3 '14 is quite a ways away...�
Nov 25, 2013
hiroshiy Japan will be Q1-Q2 delivery of Model S, so CHAdeMO adapter with Mennekes should be available by then...�
Nov 25, 2013
Earthdog I have talked with Tesla Corp and am being told they will have them in the next month. This was within the last 2 weeks.�
Nov 25, 2013
dirkhh I find this quite puzzling. So the question is, how well connected is the source of the statement Q3/14. We have had in the past Tesla people make a variety of statements that weren't backed up by the factory.
Given that Elon committed to Japan roll-out in Q1/14 and Japan without CHAdeMO adapter seems foolish... why wouldn't be there a CHAdeMO adapter for Europe as well. Or will the cars in Japan have a third, yet again different charge port?
Yes, we've had Tesla slip some things. Ok, almost everything�
Nov 25, 2013
Mario Kadastik Well just got a reply from Tesla to an e-mail I sent last week putting myself to the CHAdeMO waiting list for EU:
will ask ETA from them too�
Nov 25, 2013
J1mbo The adapter is being offered in the UK as an �850 (ouch) option when you finalise your design. I've added one to my order.
While this doesn't confirm anything, it suggests that they are planning for an EU variant to be ready for the first UK deliveries in March.
As a side note: It looks heavy, so I hope it is secure, as I would hate to come back to my car after a charging stop to find it has fallen out, or worse, been taken.�
Nov 25, 2013
Mario Kadastik The port locks the cable to port (i.e. adapter) and the CHAdeMO protocol locks the CHAdeMO port to the adapter before any power is transferred. Therefore while charging happens all connections are locked. After the charging ends the CHAdeMO part may unlock, but the car will keep the port locked as far as I know. And the locking pins should be powerful enough to hold the adapter easily without breaking. Look at the pics on store.teslamotors.com�
Nov 25, 2013
Mario Kadastik Tesla answered, but not too helpful.
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Nov 25, 2013
dirkhh OK, this is speculating wildly, but based on the things that we know and based on what is being said here...
- in North America by December 54th (sorry, couldn't resist) or so in small quantities
- better availability around end of Q1
- at the same time (March?) shipments to Japan
- they can string people there along for no more than a month or two until CHAdeMO is available (and that seems high - I think CHAdeMO is an absolute must have in Japan)
Give it the same two months or so until volume is available, so I'd guess Europe will see them around May / June of next year?
I repeat, wild speculation, just trying to put a story around the assumed dates that we have heard and some market context.�
Nov 25, 2013
brianman Should we start taking bets on who and when we see the first CHAdeMO charge at the Low suspension setting?
I'll start: Cinergi @ Feb 1st, 20xx.�
Dec 5, 2013
Cosmacelf 
Picture from Japan car show - it does exist!�
Dec 5, 2013
Johan Not to rehash but looks like it would stress the charge port mechanically in a significant way?�
Dec 5, 2013
stopcrazypp As pointed out before, the connector locks so it should stress the locking pin, not the connector. So hopefully we won't see the same failures as for the UMC.�
Dec 5, 2013
Gizmotoy Really illustrates how much bigger the Tesla connector is on the non-US cars.�
Dec 5, 2013
Mark Petersen I just have one question, way the heck is it so big
when I'm looking at it, almost halfe just have to be the DC part of the cable
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Dec 5, 2013
NoMoGas That's a freaking unicorn if I ever seen one :biggrin:�
Dec 5, 2013
RandyS 
Here's a shot of the business end of the adapter...
- - - Updated - - -
And here's what the charging port looks like in Japan with the cable plugged in and the green LEDs instead of the ring....�
Dec 5, 2013
doug Just realized that the "Tesla" end of that adapter is Type-2 (Mennekes), like Tesla is using in Europe. What style of connector are they using in Japan?�
Dec 5, 2013
widodh It's the same port as the EU cars.
Chargeport looks exactly the same. It's a Type 2 inlet.�
Dec 5, 2013
stopcrazypp If it's completely rigid I think the stress on it might be a bit high, esp given the bulk of the thing. The cable part might offer some strain relief and make it easier to plug.�
Dec 5, 2013
hiroshiy We have mostly CHAdeMO quick chargers 50kW all over Japan and J1772, wirh no plan for Tesla Superchargers. So we'll need J1772 adapter for Mennekes type 2 in addition to CHAdeMO now...
Once MS starts delivering in March or April we'll see...�
Dec 5, 2013
doug I'm just surprised that Tesla went with the Type 2 connector in Japan instead of the Model S (TSL02) connector they're using in the US, given the similarities in their electrical infrastructure. Is the original Model S connector getting any use outside of the US and Canada?�
Dec 6, 2013
widodh Maybe the Japanese regulations require either a Type 1 or Type 2 inlet and don't allow non-standard inlets?
The Type 2 connector is superior to the Type 1 connector, so it's a good thing they went with Type 2�
Dec 6, 2013
Mario Kadastik Btw information I've heard is that the EU version of CHAdeMO will be 800 eur and available Q3 2014.�
Dec 6, 2013
markb1 Has Tesla actually made any cars with the steering wheel on the right? I don't think there are any Japanese spec cars to show, so it's hard to conclude anything about the charge port.�
Dec 6, 2013
hiroshiy One of the Tesla employees confirmed that we'll be having Type 2 inlet for Japan. I haven't heard of any regulations about vehicle inlets though... First car with Type 2 in Japan. Even Leaf has CHAdeMO and J1772.�
Dec 6, 2013
markb1 Do the Euro-spec onboard chargers work fine for single-phase L2 charging? I mean, can it charge as fast as a US spec car (80A) using single phase? I don't know much about it. But as long as cars with the type 2 inlet are as capable as US-spec cars, I guess it doesn't matter much. Neither version has a J1772 inlet, so an adapter is required with either version. It's just a clunkier connector.�
Dec 6, 2013
widodh The EU version is also capable of doing 80A single phase OR 32A 3-phase.
It think it uses some relais to configure the chargers parallel on the same phase instead of spreading them out over all three phases.�
Dec 6, 2013
Earthdog Got this update from Tesla today... Funny thing was I meet a Supercharger Tech day before yesterday and he said they should be shipping now...
The CHAdeMO adapter is not available. The latest I heard is that the adapter will more likely be ready �this winter� and that could mean the end of January or later.
We will keep you updated.�
Dec 6, 2013
stopcrazypp Is type 2 rated for 80 amps also in single phase? Most cables seem to be rated for 63A (no matter the phase).�
Dec 6, 2013
markb1 The inlet that Tesla is using is must be capable of a lot more than 80A, since it supports supercharging. I believe it's modified from the spec to handle this.�
Dec 6, 2013
Tacket As soon as I get my adapter, Oregon Coast here I come!!�
Dec 6, 2013
100thMonkey Me too, Oregon is rockn' as the EV playground! Putting the S through the paces during one of those crazy spring storms on the coast would be pretty epic!�
Dec 7, 2013
dpeilow Tesla using Type 2 in Japan, a Type 1 country (heck they invented it) with tethered Type 1 chargers, is nonsense...
The Type 2 connector was standardised with 70A 1P capability, but Tesla have extended that.�
Dec 7, 2013
Puyallup Bill Frankly, that is the main reason I'll purchase the adapter. Other areas I want to visit either have or are getting high power L2.�
Dec 8, 2013
AmpedRealtor Winter does not end until March 19th...�
Dec 13, 2013
3mp_kwh OpenEVSE http://openevse-store.myshopify.com/ is a full EVSE that can be built for $~300. This is an adapter. I'm not good with where patent infringement, if any, comes in, but the J1772 standard being available is what has saved a lot of J1772 L2 users some coin. Mapping between CHademo and Tesla is apt to have fewer users, but shouldn't be hard at all. Might want to stick with fat wire, though :tongue:�
Dec 16, 2013
Mario Kadastik I just helped my friend place an order last night and when he logged into My Tesla to go over the design again just in case we noticed that it now listed a load of extra accessories that can be ordered with the car (not visible on standard design page, only once you place the order). The things that are available there is a Type-II to Type-II cable (�450) and CHAdeMO adapter (�800) amongst other things. So now you CAN buy a Type-II cable from Tesla and they officially list CHAdeMO adapter for purchase indicating that it may well be available once his car delivers (estimated delivery indicated at late April 2014).�
Dec 16, 2013
cwerdna And it hasn't even started yet. It begins December 21st.�
Dec 16, 2013
jkirkebo
No relays. You have to do the special connection before the car. The blue 32A UMC adapter connects one wire of the single phase input to N and the other wire to L1,L2 and L3.
Each charger in the car (main and twin) consists of 3 separate 16A chargers. If you have the single charger, the UMC spreads the 32A input over the three sub-chargers, each getting 10,67A.
If you connect a car without the twin-charger to a 32A single phase Type 2 outlet you'll only get 16A (well, 13A at the moment as the firmware is throttling each sub-charger down to 13A max). To get 32A single phase from a Type 2 you'll need the twin-charger since the single-phase Type 2 charging points only suppy current on N and L1, leaving L2 and L3 not connected.
This means that you can only get for example 63A single phase by either building you own charging cable (using the 63A mainpine controller and a three-phase 63A Type 2 cable) or waiting for Teslas HPWC.
Also the car knows when it's receiving 3 single phase inputs or a true 3-phase input. When getting 3-phase it will display the "3" before the amp draw/rating.�
Dec 16, 2013
widodh Kind of offtopic, but the Dutch website of Tesla says 3-phase 32A or 80A 1-phase for the European model.�
Dec 16, 2013
jkirkebo Yup, but you'll only get it with the forthcomping HPWC or a customized third party one. Doesn't matter anyway as there will be no public single phase charging points above 32A.
A company named Salto has delivered a lot of single phase 32A charging points to private Tesla customers in Norway. They quickly found out that cars with single chargers would only charge at 13A from these. After a lot of conversations with Tesla staff they eventually found out that they had to connect L1 and L2 on the Type 2 socket in the box, instead of leaving L2 not connected to anything. After that the charging rate went up to 26A. Had they connected L3 as well they would have gotten 32A.�
Dec 17, 2013
VolkerP Mario, make him check the cable length. A 5m Type 2 cable is near to useless when pulling into a parking spot and the type 2 charging station is near the curb. You need approx 7m in that case. Some drivers use a short (e.g. 2,5m) and a long cable for best "cable experience." :wink:�
Dec 17, 2013
Mario Kadastik Yeah, the cable had no information on length. I personally ordered 6m cable from LuckyLuke here, but haven't needed to test it yet�
Dec 18, 2013
VolkerP Extending type 2 cables is not recommended. Or as we say in Germany verboten. Two reasons:
1. The EVSE figures out what the cable can swallow by reading a resistor between PE and PP
Source: IEC 62196 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
resistance PP-PE 1500 ? 680 ? 220 ? 100 ? current capacity 13 A 20 A 32 A 63 A wire cross section
1,5 mm� 2,5 mm� 6 mm� 16 mm�
So the EVSE cannot compute a current capacity from the resistor values of two cables in series. BTW I don't know if the 2nd resistor would be in parallel to the 1st or not detected by the EVSE at all. The result could be too high current.
2. When you connect two type 2 cable plugs to each other there is no mechanical lock engaged. Since the connectors require little force to pull out, you could break a life circuit at 3x32A. Considerable arcing would result.�
Dec 18, 2013
dpeilow
So are you saying that a special Type 2 to Type 2 cable where L1 upstream is connected to L1, L2 and L3 downstream is needed in order to use a public charging post at full current?�
Dec 19, 2013
Mario Kadastik All valid points. The use case I had in mind was extending the UMC for use from standard wall plug i.e. UMC would be plugged to 220V 13A circuit and the Type-II cable would be 3x32A capable, no issues with too high current could occur in this case and even unplugging would not be an issue as 1x13A isn't that much�
Dec 19, 2013
Klaus Isn't the plug designed to interrupt the proximity pins first when un-plugging? That would tell the EVSE to power down before the power contacts are broken.�
Dec 20, 2013
jkirkebo Only if you need to use a single phase 32A Type 2 post to charge a single-charger TMS at 32A.�
Jan 27, 2014
Zapped Any recent news ( scoop ) on the expected delivery of US CHAdeMO adapter ?�
Jan 27, 2014
brianman I could have swarn I posted I prediction that we'd have CHAdeMO before "Low suspension strikes back!" firmware. I'm not sure I can "win" that bet either way. (I want both.)�
Jan 31, 2014
AmpedRealtor JB Straubel stated in Amsterdam that the CHAdeMO adapter is not yet in volume production, but they expect it to become available by April.�
Jan 31, 2014
miimura USA version or EU version? As I recall, only USA version has been shown.�
Jan 31, 2014
AmpedRealtor The answer was in front of an audience in Amsterdam, so assuming he was speaking to the EU version. Since we don't have a US version yet either, they are probably going to roll both out at the same time. The only difference is the connector on the Model S side of the adapter.�
Feb 1, 2014
hiroshiy It should be available at the same time as Japan launch expected in April, we have 1900+ CHAdeMO chargers here and many L2 chargers with J1772. As Tesla doesn't currently have a schedule for J1772 adapter for EU spec cars, and Japanese outlets are limited up to 200V 20A (4kW), future Japanese Model S owners will depend on CHAdeMO adatpter.
If no CHAdeMO adapter in April reservations in Japan will all be canceled�
Feb 1, 2014
LuckyLuke JB repeated today in Oslo that the adapter should arrive there (ie EU version) in April�
Feb 12, 2014
hiroshiy It is officially announced here in Japan that CHAdeMO adapter will be a default option for Japanese Model S, whuch will start delivery from June 2014 if confirmed by the end of Feb. Hope it will be ready by that time or even before in Europe.
I also learned that HPWC for Japan will also be available. Considering Japanese limited home charging options (up to 20A allowed for plugs, home J1772 EVSE not common), Tesla mde a smart move. I guess this is the same version for Europe?�
Feb 19, 2014
Mario Kadastik EU adapter should come in April as promised by JB during the recent Elon + JB Eurotrip. And there is no official Tesla HPWC in EU as there are so many third party EV chargers out there...�
Feb 21, 2014
PeterE I received this email from Tesla today...
Thank you for contacting Tesla. I reviewed our email history and the waitlist and do not see anything for the CHAdeMO adapter. I added you to the list now.
We do not have a firm launch date for the CHAdeMO. The latest I have heard is an estimated availability in the April/May time frame.
Regards,
Hugh
http://shop.teslamotors.com�
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Feb 22, 2014
EclecticCitizen Seems like they are walking back the delivery date month by month.
I haven't followed the store website closely, but just noticed now that the CHADeMO adapter pictures are different that they used to be. Is that a recent change? Might be an indication that they have finalized design and will start production soon.�
Feb 22, 2014
stopcrazypp They removed the picture with the car, but I believe both of those pictures were already on the site a long while back (you can see both in this article below).
http://www.treehugger.com/cars/tesla-unveils-chademo-adapter-50kw-model-s.html�
Sep 21, 2014
zzzzdoc It still shows up on the Tesla accessories website as coming "This" winter.
Any further news as to the delivery date for the CHadeMO Adapter in U.S.?�
Sep 22, 2014
ChrisC Discussion of this moved over to a new thread back in March: CHAdeMO Adapter - Page 36
There is some very interesting status over there starting on Sept 12th ...�
Sep 23, 2014
martinwinlow From my understanding, both reasons are not correct. In case 1, if the T2 plug that is plugged into the EVSE has the correct resistor, that is all the EVSE looks at and so will supply the correct power according to the value of that resistor - cable length, or extensions on the other end will not be relevant. In reason 2, if the extension cable is disconnected in the middle, as the CP pin is shorter than all the others, this will disconnect first and will shut down the EVSE before the main power conductor pins disconnect. Ergo, no arcing etc. MW�
Sep 23, 2014
arg The issue with the resistors is that the EVSE will only see the resistor in the cable closest to it (or will not see resistor at all if the EVSE has a tethered cable). Hence if the cable closest to the EVSE is (say) 32A and the cable being used as an extension is 16A, then the EVSE will signal 32A to the car and the 16A cable will get overloaded. These cables are only 4-core (or 6-core for 3-phase): the PP pin does not have a wire in the cable and is just connected to a resistor internally to the plug - there will be no paralleling or series connection of the resistors). Only the CP pin connects to the corresponding pin at the other end.
With standard cables/connectors, the safety issue is avoided by the fact that the connectors will mate but the PP/CP pins are made shorter and won't connect - hence no charging can occur at all.
It is possible to construct a special cable with the right connectors so that everything does connect - but in this case some electronics is needed to solve the safety problem. There was a discussion in a different thread some months ago about how this might be achieved.�
Sep 23, 2014
TonyWilliams Which is why the JLong J1772 extension cord passes through all the signals, including pilot and proximity and the cables are built to handle 40 amps minimum. It's safe for use in a virtually all public charge stations and safe to use end to end.�
Sep 23, 2014
Mark Petersen Kia Installs First 100 kW CHAdeMO DC Fast Chargers In Europe
great, now we just need someone to try this with the Model S and the ChaDeMo adaptor and see how fast we can charge (when available)
as I recall Tesla do not charge at 500v but at 400v resulting in 80Kw (400v*200a = 80Kw)
well it is still faster than the regular 50Kw stations (400v*100a = 40Kw)
so now the big question what is the Adapter rated at 100a or 200a�
Sep 23, 2014
Cottonwood An 85 charges at 360-375 Volts at the beginning when it can accept a high rate of charge. 400 Volts is only at the very end, well into the taper. I don't know where V*A and taper will cross, but you should be able to start at 72-75 kW with 200 Amps on one of those CHAdeMO's. That's still pretty good!
Somewhere, I heard that the Tesla CHAdeMO adapter is limited to 200 Amps, also.
I wonder what one of those Kia 100 kW CHAdeMO's costs.�
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