Jan 31, 2016
JPUConn CPO 70D with 50 miles (likely not the right mileage) for $69,500 in Florida
Model S 70D 094617 | Tesla Motors
Awd
white
pano
tan leather (not next gen)
glossy obeche
textile headliner
if it doesn't say autopilot that must mean another $3k to enable?�
Jan 31, 2016
cman8 I might be wrong but I thought someone said that all CPO cars had AP enabled on them. But its weird thats a 2015 and no AP. Frankly you could do better ordering new and getting the tax credits with a better package. Dont know why that one is listed without being eligible for credits.�
Jan 31, 2016
HankLloydRight For a while, Tesla offered the "Tech Package with Autopilot" before they broke it out separately and made the Tech package standard. This was likely a car that didn't opt for the Tech package, and therefore doesn't have AP.
Only Inventory ("new") cars are eligible for the tax credits (except in CO). Most CPO cars are used and therefore not eligible for the credits. This car is clearly a used car.
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Oh, I see, it only has 50 miles.
With no Tech Package or Autopilot, I really doubt this was an Inventory car (demo/loaner). Most demos/loaners are close-to fully loaded.
Who knows the story, but I'm sure this is definitely a CPO/used car.�
Jan 31, 2016
cman8 Just looked on hanks site and it list it as an AP car�
Jan 31, 2016
HankLloydRight Well, golly! So it does!
It also has the code for No Tech Package. So this is a coding error on Tesla's VIN webpage.�
Jan 31, 2016
cman8 Haha. Just replied from tapatalk, didnt realize it was you.�
Jan 31, 2016
freeewilly Model S 70D 094617 | Tesla Motors
No longer available...�
Jan 31, 2016
cman8 That one was weird, 50miles on it and still no tax incentives? That 90D has over 2k miles and still has the refunds available.�
Jan 31, 2016
irvineboy There is a lack of inventory right now and prices have all increased since Dec.�
Jan 31, 2016
dalamchops none of the cars listed w/ 50mi actually have 50mi on the ODO, it's just the placeholder until it gets updated.�
Jan 31, 2016
DougH Lack of inventory?, have you seen Hank's site?
There's 447 cars for sale, what is it that you are looking for that is not listed?�
Feb 1, 2016
sitter_k A dual motor cars in Canada.�
Feb 1, 2016
Cyclone However, a car produced when AutoPilot was part of the Tech Package, but the buyer didn't add the tech package would still come with the required hardware for it. Thus, this could be the previous owner didn't get the tech package, but Tesla activated AP as part of the certification process (like unlocking SpC on 60s). Just a guess though.�
Feb 1, 2016
DougH How could you have such an amazing car without Tech. That's like having an ipod without headphones
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Feb 1, 2016
HankLloydRight That's pretty much the only way this could happen, logically.
The problem still existed that this car didn't show Autopilot on the Tesla page, while it still had the option code for it.�
Feb 1, 2016
Cyclone After some people found cars with different options, colors, or even models from the description page, I stopped putting faith in that. But of course, that was like 100 pages back, so recent viewers wouldn't know about that.�
Feb 1, 2016
mkjayakumar Don't take the options listing in that page as gospel. Especially between tech package and AP. Just call a CPO advisor and ask. They would be able to find it for sure. Since these are in a service center, someone can walk over and confirm the options.
That was what happened in my case where the website listed mine as Tech Package with no mention of AP, but their internal records said AP. So someone walked over and confirmed that it had the hardware and also the software was enabled.�
Feb 1, 2016
SmartElectric Model S 85D 093619 | Tesla Motors Canada
Just came up on Tesla website, and obviously Hanks app today.
Go get it!�
Feb 1, 2016
cman8 Gone�
Feb 1, 2016
DougH That was fast!�
Feb 1, 2016
irvineboy So just because it lists "TP", there could be a chance that it may have AP? Not having pictures makes it difficult.
Let's say it has the AP hardware. How do you know if previous owner activated it so buyer does not have to pay additional $3000 to enable it?�
Feb 1, 2016
DougH Magical Unicorns are most likely not going to happen anymore. Tesla knows that AP is a wanted feature so it will most likely list all cars with it and activate it if it's not already activated. They can now charge a premium for it.�
Feb 1, 2016
sitter_k F that was fast. I just checked hanks at 730pm too!
How much was it?�
Feb 1, 2016
DougH $98900�
Feb 2, 2016
Dilbagh Did you pickup your car? Was everything else and the condition as you expected?�
Feb 2, 2016
Dilbagh Is there an app for Hanks website?�
Feb 2, 2016
HankLloydRight Not yet, I'm trying to find a good and efficient way to display dense tabular data on a mobile device.�
Feb 2, 2016
No2DinosaurFuel Thanks for listing the price. That is a pretty good deal considering it is about 70K or in usd. Add conversion fee and other taxes, it is not a bad deal for a 85D. Keep those prices rolling back!�
Feb 2, 2016
DougH well when you can now buy a P85D for the same price or less, I'd rather get the P85D.�
Feb 2, 2016
No2DinosaurFuel P85d for $70K cpo? Did i miss a great deal???!!!�
Feb 2, 2016
spentan (It was in CAD$)�
Feb 3, 2016
mkjayakumar Yes. Been driving it for a few days now and completely blown away by AP.
I have a 75 miles round trip commute and AP has definitely reduced my stress level quite a bit.�
Feb 3, 2016
DougH Since this thread is moving at a snails pace is that a sign that CPO sales are slowing?�
Feb 3, 2016
playoutside If anyone is looking for a P85+, here's a deal for you:
$55,000, VIN: P14838, 45K miles, grey on grey, 21" grey wheel, carbon decor and spoiler, tech, suspension, sound:
Pre-Owned Model S | Tesla Motors
I doubt it will last more than a day.�
Feb 3, 2016
flankspeed8 as slow as the X delivery threads? :tongue:�
Feb 3, 2016
DougH Yikes. Just read it :crying:�
Feb 3, 2016
playoutside [FONT=arial, sans-serif]Anyone fancy a Model S with no wheels?
[/FONT]https://www.teslamotors.com/en_CA/models/preowned/P27939�
Feb 3, 2016
flankspeed8 Mildly sarcastic. X deliveries seem to be at a snails pace also. Seems like they are producing a lot but holding them at the SC for a qc check and some undisclosed/unknown repairs.�
Feb 3, 2016
FlatSix911 It's the very special edition James Bond Hovercraft model ...
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Feb 3, 2016
DougH No curb rash!�
Feb 3, 2016
shrspeedblade I figured it was the Redneck model since all it has in it are the seats- all ready to be installed on blocks in your front yard!
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Feb 3, 2016
AMPd Was going to wait a little longer for MS#2 but life's too short and there was a P85+ with AP on the CPO calling me. Ordered day before yesterday, DS called the next day (better than when I bought new).�
Feb 3, 2016
HankLloydRight Congrats! A P85+ with AP is definitely a great combo!�
Feb 3, 2016
Dilbagh Here are the listed option codes:
RENA Region : North America
MS01 Model S 2012
IX00 White
QPMT Tan Nappa
That's it. Now that's what I call a stripped down Model S. Perhaps it should be called Model s.�
Feb 4, 2016
Jammyfofo Is there any destination charge on the demo/inventory cars besides the shipping costs, if shipped?
After talking to my local OA the inventory models offer max 2K discount on the 70, which doesn't seem quit enough.�
Feb 4, 2016
DougH I would think it would be the same as the cpos which is 500-1500. I was showed a demo/loaner list the other week and told no shipping costs for these. I asked for a broader list if I paid shipping because these were different from the inventory models online, but I was told these were region specific.�
Feb 4, 2016
Cyclone No, it's just a shipping charge to your local store.�
Feb 4, 2016
DougH When did that change, if anyone recalls? Before I bought my CPO, I was looking at inventory models. I was told the original doc/destination fee would still apply, in addition if any charges would apply to get the car to me from where it is currently.�
Feb 4, 2016
Cyclone Yes, you are right. On Inventory/Demo cars there is a fee but with CPO's it's just a shipping fee.�
Feb 4, 2016
Dilbagh Yup. But I thought Dilbagh asked about Inventory/Demo cars. Or did I misunderstand?�
Feb 4, 2016
Cyclone Yes, I specifically meant for inventory/demo cars. If there is a fee, then there is absolutely no point not getting a new one with everything of your choice.
I suppose the inventory models will lose value over time if not sold, so I'll hope for just that as I need to get a car in the next two months.�
Feb 4, 2016
MsElectric Just remember that the new one will also have a delivery/doc fee. So the inventory model is still going to be $2k cheaper. But if they aren't exactly to your specs (or what you consider a worthwhile discount), then yes, you should order exactly what you want.�
Feb 4, 2016
ivengo + 1. Be careful with inventory cars that have options you have no value for as you'd need a discount equaling the options you don't have any value for just to "break even" with the cost of a new car with just options you actually care for.
Right now I see very little in terms of decent deals for inventory cars.
The best deals are for the 2013 and 2014 P85 cars that are priced in the $50Ks and the $60Ks.
At the current Inventory pricing, I feel it is better to just buy a brand new car optioned exactly how you'd like it.�
Feb 4, 2016
DougH I just took a delivery of the CPO Model S 60 at Austin, TX Service Center and the delivery experience was superb.
The car, which has ~60K miles on it already looks and feels like brand new from inside and outside.
Driving experience is out of this world compared to my Prius.
They gave me two new key fobs, little thank you gifts, and all previous service records.
By the way no drive unit swaps for this car in the past and no unusual noises from DU while driving.
My delivery specialist Magz did outstanding job communicating with me all the way and making super easy, fun and effortless experience in purchasing the car.�
Feb 4, 2016
tmac Sweet.�
Feb 4, 2016
cliftonite
that is great!! Congratulations!!�
Feb 5, 2016
Cyclone How long do you think it will be before we start seeing 70ds in the 50k range? Another year?�
Feb 5, 2016
MsElectric Maybe I need to call Magz at Austin and see if they would be kind enough to get my my service records. I still haven't been able to get them yet.�
Feb 5, 2016
Zaphod Just realize the price drop will not be linear and it will be based on something better that comes along with a larger battery capacity or redesign. For most people who owns Ds that are barely a year old, they really have little reason to sell. What would they buy instead after driving a Model S?
As what happened with the P85s when the D came out, it will take several months and then values will drop as people trade in to acquire the newest and the greatest.
In response to your question, let's assume we are considering a 70D with $10K worth of options. That car after tax rebates will be about $75K brand new or about $70K as an inventory car. If you want that car in the $50K-something range I think you are about 12-18 months away as we are talking about $20K worth of depreciation.�
1/1/2015
guest So I came across a CPO listing (don't remember the VIN off-hand) that showed and listed the wall connector option. I assume this meant the original owner ordered the HPWC. What does that mean for someone who buys that CPO? I can't believe the original owner uninstalled their HPWC when they traded in their car. Is Tesla obligated to give the CPO buyer a HPWC since its listed?
edit: VINs are P18059 and P24870�
Feb 5, 2016
doofenshmirtz I picked up a CPO 85 at Fremont and got the factory tour. Loved the entire experience from the moment I ordered right through delivery.
Thanks for the tip about service records. Will have to get my delivery advisor cracking on that�
Feb 5, 2016
DougH
Me: Does the car come with the HPWC listed?
Tesla: No � the HPWC is removed in our system, but a known bug occasionally allows it to show up on the PDF�s we generate.
The price never accounts for the HPWC.�
Feb 6, 2016
flankspeed8 Seems like they should figure out a way to fix the glitch to eliminate confusion in the future.�
Feb 6, 2016
DougH They cannot even get their pricing figured....let alone a glitch.:crying:�
Feb 6, 2016
ivengo I want to add one more tidbit of information. I found a small paint crack in the front of the car. They told me that they will pick up my car from me at my home and will drop a loaner. The car will go to the paint shop to fix that crack. In my opinion this is an outstanding service. I hope to get a loaner with autopilot to experience it
It interesting that some people on the forums indicated that drop pick up service is not working in some locations, but it looks like in Austin it is working quite well. My house is within 15-20 mile radius from the service center.�
Feb 6, 2016
DougH This is why it works for you.�
Feb 7, 2016
sitter_k Tesla seems to be increasing the price of CPO cars in Canada...The ones that are sitting in CPO inventory. So those should be flying off the shelves now.�
Feb 8, 2016
DougH Did you mean decreasing?, not understanding your post.�
Feb 8, 2016
Skotty I wrote an application for filtering available Model S CPO cars based on a set of filters. I know the ev-cpo website has everything a person needs already, but I wanted to use a complex set of search filters in my own style to find a CPO car to buy. How it works is you go to the ev-cpo website, download the main page (use browser save page function, and save it as HTML; either logged in with subscription or not; works either way; I have a subscription myself), then my app will parse the list of available cars and show me all the potential matches that exceed a preset match threshold, as well as how those matches changed since the last time I ran it. I'm debating sharing it with the community. It's written in Java.
I currently have it load the filters from a plain text file. You can set up any number of filters on any of the available car attributes. Filters can be preferences with which you can assign various weights, or they can require certain options, or they can exclude cars with certain options. So, for example, I have personally set up several filters just on exterior color; I really like green, also like blue but not as much as green, and also like grey but not as much as blue, and I also don't want red; all other colors I'm neutral about. I can set this up in my filters file and it looks like this:
color, String, CONTAINS, Red, excluded
color, String, CONTAINS, Green, HIGH
color, String, CONTAINS, Blue
color, String, CONTAINS, Grey, LOW
There are different types of matches you can do; for example, for strings, you can use STARTS_WITH, ENDS_WITH, EQUALS, or CONTAINS. This is handy as you can use a single filter to cover multiple scenarios. For example, I want grey interior, but I don't care if it's performance interior, or if it's alcantara or whatever, I just want it to be grey. So I can set up a filter on that with "CONTAINS, Grey", and it will catch all of them.
There are some more complex scenarios it doesn't directly handle right now. For example, if you like blue exterior with tan interior, or red exterior with black interior, there is currently no way to set that up with a single set of filters; however, you could handle it by setting up two different sets of filters and running them both.
So the application will scan all the cars, throw out the ones that matched any excluded filters as well as any that didn't match a required filter, and then score all that remain based on the other preference filters, and assign each car a percentage match, throwing out any whose match scores are less than whatever the preset match threshold is set at. At the end it tells you what cars are left, what their match percentages are, and how it's different from the last time you ran the application. It can also send the results as an email if desired, though I'm not certain what all email providers it will work with (but it works with gmail).
What's not fully fleshed out (and why I'm hesitant to distribute the app at this time) is where to get the list of inventory cars. It would be nice to get a source that would allow automated downloads of CPO inventory car information, but I don't have that right now. So for now, I'm just utilizing the ev-cpo website, and that's why you have to manually visit the site, download the page, then have the app parse the downloaded page.
My app is not a windowed application at this time; you can manually set up desktop icon to launch it, but all of the configuration is stored in config files that you edit with a text editor. You launch it, it runs, and only way you know it ran is if you get a new list of matches or you look at the log file to see that it ran.
Anyway, I'm sharing to see what interest others might have in this, or if anyone has any comments/feedback about the concept. I was debating trying to work with Hank to integrate some of this functionality into his site, but for the moment, I didn't want to delve too deeply into the script behind his site; my specialty is Java and I wanted to stick with that for now.�
Feb 8, 2016
Skotty As a followup to my last message about my CPO search application....
Thought I would give a quick example of how the match percentages are calculated. As it currently works, all filters that are not "exclude" filters have a weight assigned to them, which is some number between 0 and 1. The 0 to 1 is kind of an arbitrary range, but a fixed range was necessary so that named weights like low, medium, and high would be meaningful. The filter engine iterates through the fields (like color, trim, wheels, etc), and for any field that has 1 or more filters, notes the highest weight out of filters that match and the highest possible weight out of all the filters for the field. It then comes to a final percent score by dividing the sum of all highest match scores by the sum of all highest possible scores.
Example:
Say you have the following filters:
trim STARTS_WITH "P85", REQUIRED, (uses default weight 0.5; MEDIUM)
interior CONTAINS "black", EXCLUDED
color CONTAINS "grey", weight 0.75 (HIGH)
color CONTAINS "white", weight 0.25 (LOW)
soundStudio EQUALS true, weight 0.5 (MEDIUM)
Now say you have a P85+ that is white with tan interior and sound studio package. Here's how the calculation looks:
field | highest match weight | highest possible weight
trim | 0.5 | 0.5
interior | not applicable (only filter on this field is an exclude filter)
color | 0.25 | 0.75
soundStudio | 0.5 | 0.5
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sums | 1.25 | 1.75
1.25 / 1.75 = 0.714 = 71% match
You can set your overall threshold to anywhere from 0% to 100%, so as long as you set that threshold at or below 71%, this example car would show up on the match list.
I debated whether or not required filters should be a part of the calculation, but ultimately decided I think they should be. However, unless you set up the weights in code, you can't change the weight of a required filter; that part I'm thinking about changing, and in fact, in doing so, it would allow the required filters to be treated either way, as you could assign the required filter a weight of 0 and then it would have no effect on the final match score. That part is really not a limitation of the filtering engine, it's just a limitation of the parser that creates the filters from the external text file.�
Feb 8, 2016
MsElectric Great idea! Do you have the interface up so we can access it?
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Feb 8, 2016
ff2014 Wanted to share my CPO experience...
After considering a new Tesla since Sep 2014, I pulled the trigger on a CPO P85 in Dec 2015 when CPO prices were too good to resist. Many thanks to ev-cpo.com, and the many members who generously shared their experiences along with many useful tips on the buying process. I got a 2012 P85, blue, grey interior, CF spoiler, dual chargers, SAS, sound studio, and paint armor (no pano, no 21" inch wheels).
I ordered the car on Dec 20th and picked it up on Jan 11th. Communication during this time was so-so, although my SA sent me the carfax and a few pics. On the day of pickup, the car was in spectacular shape. Based on charging history, I'm guessing that the car was refurbished in Fremont. And, they took the job seriously. New tires, wheels, mats, parcel shelf, and so immaculately detailed that it looked and smelled brand new. Based on how quiet and rattle-free the car is, they might have replaced a whole host of other things as well. Even the B and C pillar leather that get worn are in perfect shape. The only minor blemishes (a scratch on the spoiler and a paint chip), they agreed to fix on the due bill.
I had taken extended test drives in 2015 P85Ds, P90Ds, 90Ds and 2014 S85s and P85s. This car is every bit as quiet and solid as the newer models (no rattles on delivery day - one minor buzzing sound showed up in the rear hatch area a few days after delivery, but it's not bothersome). I was concerned about 2012 build quality, but got lucky with this one. I had a 2015 550i before this car, and the quietness at speed matches/maybe beats that car.
A few other items where I had luck... the car has Tesla parking sensors! The previous owner must have retrofitted them. The car has a B battery pack. Being a late Dec 2012 build, I was hoping for it.
The ev-cpo site (which i subscribed to before buying) made my search effective and efficient. I was well-prepared on delivery day thanks to many folks that share here. Thank you!
I did ask for an alignment report and other service records during delivery day. My DS "tried", and told me he wasn't able to, but that I can get it from my SC. I emailed my SC with this and a few other questions, and while they answered the other stuff, they ignored the alignment report request. I'll keep trying.
One question for those who bought a CPO... Did you get any warranty documents specific to your car? I didn't get anything stating when the 2 warranties end for my car. My SC gave me the service date (thought it's 4 months earlier that carfax�
Feb 9, 2016
DougH I wouldn't worry about the warranty, you will most likely sell it before the warranty ends anyway. Once you have had that 2012 you will want to upgrade in a year or so.�
Feb 9, 2016
HankLloydRight That's really not a fair statement. Maybe that's how you feel, and everyone is different. I'm going on 2 years with my 2013 P85+ without most of the new features, and I feel no need to upgrade anytime soon (or later for that matter).�
Feb 9, 2016
DCAC This is exactly why you would want the warranty document, so you could show it to a prospective buyer. ff2014, let me know if you get a document. I have asked the same question, still unanswered.�
Feb 9, 2016
DougH And if you read what I posted you will see that I chose my words carefully. I said most likely, not you will. So it's not really an unfair statement.�
Feb 9, 2016
MsElectric What an odd comment. The average length of car ownership in the United States is 6.5 years. And in fact this is the fiscally responsible way to own a car so that you amortize the depreciation over a longer period. We fall under this category as we usually own our cars for 6-8 years.
Source: http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/07/29/Here-s-Why-Americans-Are-Keeping-Their-Cars-Longer-Ever
I can't emphasize enough the importance of reasonable and fair warranty/extended warranty policies for a large segment of car buyers. Tesla seems to have a hard time understanding the importance of warranty coverage. One of the biggest factors delaying our purchase of a Model S are the poor warranty provisions and just plain inability to even purchase an extended warranty for CPO cars. We don't want to buy a CPO car and throw it away after 4 years because we can't extend the warranty.
The concern about having the warranty information on paper is quite valid as due to the extremely high repair costs few used car buyers (who tend to be even more cost conscious) may not want to own a Model S out of warranty.
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They need to disclose the service history of cars up for sale as CPO cars. Why is this information not listed with a car to begin with?
After all car dealers do this and I don't think it is too much to ask for Tesla to be at least as fair and transparent as a car dealer.
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Feb 9, 2016
Drucifer I have to agree. Maybe I am just stubborn, but I refuse to trade my car or upgrade until after I make the last payment..and had a handful of months with no payment.
I leased my Volt...so 36 months, but prior to that
Saab 9-3 Convertible - bought new 1999 - sold 2012 - 215k miles
Acura Legend 1986 - bought 1990 - sold 2000 - 250k miles�
Feb 9, 2016
DougH Did you google that just to make your point?, which you really did not need to do in the first place. If you look at all the CPO cars for sale by Tesla and on Ebay, Cars.com etc..... you will clearly see that not ALL Tesla owners keep their cars for 6.7 years. Maybe some do, maybe some dont. Many like to upgrade.�
Feb 9, 2016
MsElectric Yikes! Did I google that to make a point? No I found you a source for something I have known to be a fact for a while based on many articles I've read on the topic.
The average ownership period for a car in America is about 6.5 years. Which part of that do you fail to understand? Already a couple of Tesla owners have chimed in that they too plan to hold onto their car for a while. When we get a Tesla we too will hold onto the car for about 6-8 years, hence the importance of warranty coverage.
Of course there are always cars for sale that are just a couple of years old. This is true for Tesla and this is true for every other car brand. At this point I am not sure what you are arguing about. I think most reasonable people will support the OP's simple request to have information about the car on paper.�
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