Thứ Ba, 1 tháng 11, 2016

Model S Delivery Dates and Sequencing part 25

  • Jan 14, 2016
    HankLloydRight
    Yes, that is my actual license plate. And yes, I also owned a Delorean for 14 years (VIN 1619). Bought it in 2000, and sold it right before getting the Model S. (In fact, the day after I sold it, I joined TMC to start looking into getting a Model S!!). I needed the garage space, so the Delorean had to go first. ;) I've been to every Delorean Car Show since 2000. I got the 1.21GW license plate and even kept my flux capacitor and put it into the Model S and as an homage to my Delorean:



    Having owned both cars, there are A LOT of similarities. Although with the Model S, I don't get a lot of "I heard there's cocaine packed in the seats, is that true?" questions. At least not yet, anyway. :)

    That's exactly it. I watch the constant reports, and yes, one or two (or more) get reserved every hour. When Tesla does it, it happens to take place in big batches.
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  • Jan 15, 2016
    DMage
    Very nice! I had vin 10084 and have only been to DCS 2012 in Orlando (call me lazy).

    One of several things I will not miss with the car. That or folks at car shows who want to bang on the car to see what stainless steel feels like (bang your sink) or think they are the first witty person to use (insert BTTF joke). Still part of the club down here and was just over a buddy's house the other day replacing and bleeding clutch lines so I still get my fill.
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  • Jan 15, 2016
    kakusan111
    Hank, thank you so much! (first post here but been following and learning from everyone, thanks all for the guidance) I subscribed about 2 months or so ago and have pretty much lived and refreshed ev-cpo so many times i can't count. Congrats to all new owners. I have had an interesting experience for sure. I pulled the trigger on one mid December and after about 2 weeks learned it had damage and had to cancel the deal, however my DS found me another one very similar same day. last week my page finally switched to production complete and it is on the way to me arriving at my local shop Monday or Tuesday. Hoping by next weekend I take delivery. Can't wait! Such an unusual experience of buying a car with being so used to instant gratification.
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  • Jan 15, 2016
    Xpress
    Is it safe to assume that any CPO with an ID# greater than ~ 51000 (Sept 2014) will have the Autopilot hardware installed? So the AP software should be able to be activated/installed by Tesla after sending them $3000 'activation/enable' fee?
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  • Jan 15, 2016
    DougH
    It's mostly cars 55K and higher. However I saw a P85 with a 49K VIN with AP for sale a couple of weeks ago.
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  • Jan 16, 2016
    MsElectric
  • Jan 16, 2016
    tga
  • Jan 16, 2016
    FlatSix911
    Since it's a Inventory car, it still has the State and Federal rebates and is actually $84K ... not bad for a loaded D! :cool:
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  • Jan 16, 2016
    MsElectric
    Except for about $10K more than this 70D you can actually buy a P85D :)

    Or you can buy an 85D with about 10K worth of options for about the same cost for a car with greater range along with substantially better performance. And it is brand new with just the options you want... That used 70D for $94K makes zero sense.
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  • Jan 16, 2016
    Wshowell
    Anyone have a definitive answer on the CPO listings that have two dash types noted? For example, a blue S85 in Chicago with both Obeche Gloss and Piano listed. Could this mean the existing Obeche dash is damaged and will be replaced if the new owner chooses it to be with either or? If this was the case then why not any style dash? I cannot see there being much price difference between the matte, gloss, piano except maybe the carbon truly costs a few bucks more in materials.
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  • Jan 16, 2016
    DRasheed
    I am seriously considering a used tesla and have some questions. First post here and I didn't read all 300 pages so I apologize if they have already been answered.

    1) What does the "refurbishing" that CPO cars get actually consist of?
    2) Has anyone been tracking the total inventory of CPO over time? Right now it is at 521. What was it a week or two ago? A month ago?
    3) are most people buying the cars without seeing them, or traveling to its location and checking it out?

    I have been communicating with my regional CPO specialist and she told me today that the $1000 deposit on a CPO can be transferred toward a new tesla if you don't buy a CPO.
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  • Jan 17, 2016
    jaipurking
    Hi All. Been following the forum for a while. Subscribed to the EV consolidator, finally ready to take the plunge. After reviewing historical sale prices, I have observed sale price as follows.
    S60 around low $50's
    S85 around mid to high $50's
    P85 around low to mid $60's

    these are fairly equipped Model S

    Now my question is;

    A base Model X is about $75 after tax rebates . Base includes AWD,Tech package, Pano roof/windshield, and "cyclone" like 20" rims. As I have a Model X reservation ready to configure, is it worth getting a 2-3 year used car at a discount of $15-20 OR just order my Model X and wait for about a year for gratification.
    I do realize that one is a sedan and the other SUV, but technology and production quality have improved oved time so the expectation is that the Model X will be great. I am a conservative driver not much into performance, but love technology and really like the torque in a Tesla. Safety is also a consideration.

    First post but toiling with this question for a long time.
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  • Jan 17, 2016
    KJD
    Welcome to the forum jaipurking. If you have the money to get the new car go for it for sure. I love my CPO car but it was 2nd choice to a new one for all the reasons you just listed.
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  • Jan 18, 2016
    mrjedistud
    Had the same thing happen to me. The car was in Florida was was shipped to ny without all of the work complete. My guess is one or both of two things. First Florida was too busy to complete the work. Second there was a truck with open space so to minimize trucking costs the car was shipped. Otherwise tesla would have to order another transport.

    its a bit of risk. If the car can't pass CPO standards I could reject it and tesla would have to eat the shipping costs. I am assuming that they had some comfort level before shipping the car out.

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    Live been tracking cpo since the site went live. I saw 200-300 for a while but ever since early December the numbers Have increased to 400-500. Must be all the trade ins from the year end deliveries. Also from all the D deliveries. Not many Xs were delivered so I expect more trade ins once the xs ship in quantity.

    I had pictures of of the car but did not see in person. There is an element of risk. Look up cyclones posts.
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  • Jan 18, 2016
    dgpcolorado
  • Jan 18, 2016
    DougH
    Perfect car for you to get rid of that Leaf :wink:
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  • Jan 18, 2016
    dgpcolorado
    Not ready to pull the trigger and I'd really prefer not to have a black car, although I suppose I'd take one if the price was low enough. I'm hoping that prices will trend down in the next few months. An 85 would make long trips easier though (I was looking for a 60 in the low $40s with a VIN that wasn't too low).
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  • Jan 18, 2016
    jaipurking
    Found a CPO S60 2013 with 16000 miles,leather, pano, supercharger, Rear facing seats, and Tech for $45000, so decided to take the plunge and wait for a few years till the Model X get a little refined and all the kinks worked out.

    Do you all think thats a good decision ?
    What do you think about the price ?
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  • Jan 18, 2016
    James Chan
    does the refurb include Autopilot? If not I won't even consider...
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  • Jan 18, 2016
    mkjayakumar
    For $5k more you can go for an 85, on the one mentioned a few posts above.
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  • Jan 18, 2016
    jaipurking

    No Autopilot, only tech package
    2013 with VIN in the 10000's
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  • Jan 18, 2016
    SmartElectric
    It's a 2013, well before the debut of autopilot.
    The lowest price autopilot sold as per EV CPO site is just under $60K, so a premium of $15K just for autopilot, and that for a low spec 60 with few options.
    Most autopilot cars on CPO sold in $70K and above, so $25K premium.

    Get the $45K car and enjoy it, any Tesla is a great car!
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  • Jan 18, 2016
    jaipurking
    I know but this one had fewer miles and also had rear facing seats, Also I am not an aggressive driver who has a 70 mile commute a day. Even if we were to take the MS long distance the trips are limited to California and maybe vegas so I felt that the supercharger network is pretty good in this region.

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    Thanks!!
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  • Jan 18, 2016
    mkjayakumar
    Just curious, what were the specs of the AP CPO that sold sub $60K? I am just picking up next week my bare-bones S85 CPO ( with leather and metallic blue) for $63K.
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  • Jan 18, 2016
    jaipurking
    VIN 59720
    2014 S60 was sold for 59000
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  • Jan 19, 2016
    DMage
    Congrats, looks like a great deal! Saw that alert come over and when I went to check it out an hour later it was gone. My alerts are set for rear facing seats as well.

    Made the same decision as you, wanted a P85+ or D model but wasn't willing to pay the AP premium. Did a long term rental and determined AP just wasn't worth it to us now. Figure in a few years an X might be in our future.
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  • Jan 19, 2016
    DCAC
    Finally pulled the trigger on a CPO on January 8th. I had been waiting for a cheap 85 with RFS for a long time. My OA in Raleigh mentioned this 2012 85 on the phone (it was not yet listed on the CPO site). Took delivery on the 16th in Chicago and drove it 900 miles home. Hit seven superchargers and saw only three other Teslas charging (one in Indy, two in Charlotte). It's a loaded 2012 with an 'A' battery and 50k miles, but looks and drives like new.

    I'm a big fan of Hank's ev-cpo.com site and subscriptions, the data is really valuable. That said, it seems that the best deals may not make it to the CPO site, so call your local Tesla store to get the scoop.
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  • Jan 19, 2016
    HankLloydRight

    Thanks, and congrats on your new car!

    I'm doing yet another 2000 miles Model S road trip in March and really looking forward to it.
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  • Jan 19, 2016
    Dilbagh
    Is it possible that Tesla will activate AP on all CPO cars that come with the hardware as part of the refurbishing. Just like they do now with the supercharging capability. They would sell faster and fetch higher.
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  • Jan 19, 2016
    dgpcolorado
    Didn't take long for that one to disappear. Not that I'm surprised!
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  • Jan 19, 2016
    Cyclone
    Early on, we found many CPO cars that were different than the profiles from their CPO page. We suspected what happened was the original buyer ordered one configuration, then changed the configuration of the car before it was produced, and that Tesla was simply re-using the original configuration data. Some cars were listed with a different color or different options. I wonder if this is an artifact of that, where it was originally configured with one trim and then changed to another, and the CPO listing picked up both.
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  • Jan 19, 2016
    dhanson865
    No, a 2013 CPO will not have AP hardware so it won't be given that in the refurb process. It'd have to be a late 2014 model to have a chance and 2015 would have the hardware for sure (though you may have to pay extra to activate it if the first owner didn't already).

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    possible but not guaranteed. If they start doing that ones prepped after the policy change would have it and ones prepped before the policy change might not. I'd check the car myself or at least call the service center sales rep to ask specifically what the status is on a car you are interested in.
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  • Jan 19, 2016
    HankLloydRight
    Ok, I've now added the "no location" CPO cars that are displayed on the main TM CPO site, but do not appear in any particular location. These appear under the well named location: "No Location Listed". There are now 32 additional cars listed in this category, but nothing special immediately pops out as a good deal.
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  • Jan 19, 2016
    Wshowell
    Thanks Cyclone. So, which dash do you surmise the car actually has, the first or second one listed in the options column?
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  • Jan 20, 2016
    Jo-
    The one I called about was listed with Obeche Wood Matte and Piano black. I was told it had the Obeche- my guess is ignore the Piano Black on all those and assume it has the "upgraded" option. Let us know if that ends up not being the case.
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  • Jan 20, 2016
    Xpress
    Hmm, that seems like it would be a smart thing for them to do on both ends when receiving an AP hardware equipped car.

    It certainly doesn't cost them $3K to activate it (big profit margin me thinks since the hardware is already installed) and I believe it would also sell faster as you mentioned.
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  • Jan 20, 2016
    pchilds
    I pickup my CPO model S Friday. :biggrin:
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  • Jan 21, 2016
    DougH
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    flankspeed8
  • Jan 21, 2016
    DougH
    Has to be an error.
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  • Jan 21, 2016
    kf93
    could be a car that has been sitting inside a showroom for a while. Do they rotate the cars in those? I can't imaging the car inside of tyson's corner mall in VA gets driven that often.
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  • Jan 21, 2016
    DougH
    Maybe but for 2 years, doubtful.
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  • Jan 21, 2016
    HankLloydRight
  • Jan 21, 2016
    ahurst
  • Jan 21, 2016
    ahurst
  • Jan 21, 2016
    DougH
    Yeah I figured it was listed wrong.
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  • Jan 21, 2016
    FlatSix911
    This may be a new record ... my Inventory car was delivered with 5 miles at the Fremont factory. :cool:
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  • Jan 22, 2016
    MsElectric
    So you got a $5 discount? :biggrin:
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  • Jan 22, 2016
    FlatSix911
    With only 5 miles and 2 months in Inventory, the discount was $2,500.:cool:
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  • Jan 23, 2016
    cab
    Ah for the good old days of 2015 Q4 "get 'em sold!" price drops...pricing (especially P85 and P85+ cars) has stagnated a bit it seems. Unlike the new cars (which qualify for the rebates) I don't suppose there is much incentive to drop prices in January.

    I would assume the next round of drops will likely occur in March as they try to hit Q1 numbers, preview the Model III and HOPEFULLY Model X production ramps up more and folks start trading in their Ses. The latter should also help to push a few more cars to the private sale market as well.

    My "plan" is to test drive the new 2017 Volt (had a 2012...lease was up in July and GM decided not to roll the 2016 Volt out in Texas) around March when it gets here and then "make the call" as to whether I go for it or step up to a CPO Model S. Honestly, my biggest dilemma? I work from home 98% of the time and the "financially responsible" version of me is like "WTH...why do you even need ANY new car???!!!"...I really hate that guy.
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  • Jan 23, 2016
    AMPd
    I have a decision to make in about 4 months.
    My standard 85 will reach 50k miles, the decision I'm faced with is purchase an extended warranty or trade it in and upgrade to a p85+ via CPO (I drove the p85+ and loved the handling, it was fantastic!) OR lease a brand new p90d, the p90d is quicker than the p+ but some might say the handling on the + is better, but with the p90d I can get the exact options I want...

    Im indecisive, I go back and forth everyday
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  • Jan 23, 2016
    KJD
    If you must test drive a new Volt, then please test drive a new Tesla the same day and tell me which is the better car.

    As far as being financially responsible, I could ride the bus to work every day and save a bunch of money over owning a car, but I choose not to. Call it a guilty pleasure if you like. :)
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  • Jan 23, 2016
    cab
    So to be clear, I already know the Model S is an awesome ride (4 test drives later), but the new Volt may be "good enough" from an enthusiast point of view. I neglected to mention one of my primary drivers here is the "fun to drive" factor. The old Volt was awesome, but it never inspired me to want to "have fun" in it. Even with the bit of torque it had off the line, I almost never nailed it since it wasn't "satisfying" (note: my two previous rides were 400hp V8 stick shifts, etc.).

    Comparatively, I test drove (over 3 days) the BMW i3 with range extender and it was a blast to drive around town (light, tossable, just FUN), but its freeway manners were really marginal, the ride was choppy, suicide doors were impractical, etc - too many negatives. Now the new Volt is getting a lot of praise for its "fun to drive" factor as compared to the original and performance seems signifcantly improved - hence my comment that it may be "good enough" in that area. Conversely, I might find it is more similar to the old Volt than I had hoped and I might come away feeling "meh" about the overall,improvement. Oddly enough, the Chevy BOLT might also be a "funfactor" contender given its form factor and sub 7 second 0-60 time (BMW i3-like w/o all the drawbacks).
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  • Jan 23, 2016
    DougH
    Why not just buy the cheapest Model S you can find?, there are such good deals right now....private party not through Tesla.
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  • Jan 23, 2016
    Jo-
    Where are those deals? In looking for the "cheapest one I can find" with RFS, nowhere have I seen better deals than the CPOs- which have had a handful pop up sub-45k..and bare bones 60s around 35K...Ebay, Cars.com, panjo, etc. are all over-priced for the 60s and high mile, early vin 85s. Not that I'm doubting you, but I'm just not finding/seeing them.
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  • Jan 23, 2016
    No2DinosaurFuel
    Call up or talk to your local tesla showroom they might be able to find something barebone or even non cpo sold as is for really good price.
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  • Jan 23, 2016
    Jo-
    Yes, I have done that and have a couple guys keeping an eye out for me. I was more addressing Douglas's statement that there are "such good deals...not through Tesla" when trying to get "the cheapest Model S you can find." I'd like to be pointed in right right direction if that's the case. I haven't seen a better deal elsewhere myself.
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  • Jan 23, 2016
    DougH
  • Jan 23, 2016
    mmd
    That car is sold already! He or she got a nice showroom discount of $6887 for 2327 miles last Jan.
    2014 P85 Autopilot $69k
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  • Jan 23, 2016
    marty2112
    Go with the P90D..... I was in the same boat and loved the way the + drove. After driving a new P90D for a weekend, I completely lost my desire for the +. The newer cars are just built so much better and if you wait a few more months, we should have a new nose job...:)
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  • Jan 24, 2016
    AMPd
    I love the current nose :)
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  • Jan 24, 2016
    FlatSix911
    Love the build quality on my 70D.

    Agreed ... let's hope that Tesla does not use the storm trooper nose from the Model X!
    This is much better... :cool:

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  • Jan 24, 2016
    dgpcolorado
    One of the lower priced S60s, $46,300, has reappeared:

    P12651

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    I think this was the one I was looking at a couple of weeks ago but I had to pass on it because it was registered in Denver, which means that it isn't eligible for the Colorado tax credit.

    Perhaps it came back on the market because the buyer was also from Colorado and belatedly learned about the tax credit.
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  • Jan 25, 2016
    Phillmonroe
    Me too I don't like the Model X style nose even though that wouldn't stop me from getting one.

    Yeah I like this front way better than the actual nose cone they use. I thought they should keep it similar like bmw but guess they wanted something different.
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  • Jan 25, 2016
    Butcher
    Thinking of upgrading my car with a one that has Autopilot. Is there a way to know which cars have autopilot on the CPO site? Is it all 2014s with tech package?
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  • Jan 25, 2016
    Larry93428
    No. My "2014" with tech package does not have autopilot.
    ~Larry
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  • Jan 25, 2016
    mkjayakumar
    The ones after 56k vins have autopilot.
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  • Jan 25, 2016
    DougH
    Use Hank's site, you can choose to search for AP.

    http://ev-cpo.com/
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  • Jan 25, 2016
    marty2112
    Have you guys seen the new X nose in person? Trust me, you will like the refresh.....

    The way the T floats is very cool. I do admit that it is not as flattering on white as most pictures depict. You must see it on blue, black, grey to appreciate.
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  • Jan 25, 2016
    MsElectric
    I agree and I think Tesla will do a really great job with the new nose and it will make the Model S look even sleeker. I personally think the Model X looks just great in white.
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  • Jan 25, 2016
    ecarfan
    The CPO web page for an individual car lists the "Features" for that car. If the car has Autopilot it should be in the list.
    Here is an example 85 kWh Performance Model S P62304 | Tesla Motors
    It has "Tech Package with Autopilot".
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  • Jan 26, 2016
    sitter_k
    just brain storming here but is it possible these are Canadian cars being send back for sale due to the low Canadian dollar, there hasnt been many cars added on the Canadian site? Do Canadian cars have different vins?
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  • Jan 26, 2016
    HankLloydRight
    I don't think so. None of the "No Location" cars have a RENC (Region: Canada) option code, they're all RENA (Region: North America).

    Yes, I know Canada is part of North America, complain to Tesla.
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  • Jan 26, 2016
    kwjayhawk
    Hank,
    Can you help clarify why some VINs have a P in front of them? Specifically I'm looking at those lower priced S60 and S85 where some have P and some have just numbers but I'm guessing it has something to do with P's being early vins? Would those P's have or not have something? (Thinking early battery pack/DU?)

    Just trying to understand in hopes of a future purchase.

    Thanks,
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  • Jan 26, 2016
    supersnoop
    The first 1,000 or so start with S (for Signature), and then they switched to P with five digits. Now, they've built so many car, they need another digit, so they dropped the P.

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    Autopilot was introduced in September 2014. Some vins as low as 48k have it, and some as high as 59k do not. You can't be certain based on VIN alone.
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  • Jan 26, 2016
    HankLloydRight
  • Jan 26, 2016
    sitter_k
    Don't worry I'm not one of those inferiority complex Canadians lol
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  • Jan 26, 2016
    kwjayhawk
    Thank you snoop and hank. Helpful indeed.
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  • Jan 27, 2016
    chriSharek
    I JUST checked the CPO list to see if any had Autopilot! Thanks for this post. I don't see any that are < P85Ds though . . . :(
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  • Jan 27, 2016
    Cyclone
    Are you getting a 2nd S before your first is delivered Chris?
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  • Jan 27, 2016
    Wshowell
    Is it just me or are the CPO deals fewer and further between for all models? Lots of high mileage cars and a ton of 60s that have no business being priced over $50k. This car besides being an early VIN is the only one I'd consider being a good "value". 85 kWh Model S P02316 | Tesla Motors
    pre Christmas deals were the best and since then the choices haven't been attractive IMHO. Thoughts on what's going on from corporate? Maybe the delay will get me an AP car if my patience can hold out.
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  • Jan 28, 2016
    chriSharek
    Wshowell, I have ordered exactly what I wanted - description in signature below. But, I thought I would check and see if there were any CPOs that might fit the bill. NOTHING. There are a bunch of P85Ds from those that have to have the latest and greatest ludicrous mode and the 60s you mention, but if you want AP, you're spending $100k on a used P85D. Nothing in between. I guess I'll have to "settle" for the car I ordered. :)

    Oh, I have asked my local sales team to see if they can find an inventory car that might match closely. I might save a little, but I'm not expecting a miracle.
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  • Jan 28, 2016
    DRasheed
    I agree that the deals have worsened over the past 2 weeks or so. I noticed the overall inventory has gone down from about 520 to 465, so it seems like the cars are getting bought faster than new ones are coming onto the market. Seems like simple supply and demand is driving up the prices.

    As to why the supply is going down or demand is going up, it would be hard to know for sure. Maybe the CPO site is getting more popular/well known? Maybe there haven't been many trade ins lately?
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  • Jan 28, 2016
    ahurst
    And where are CPO 85D's? I rarely see those.
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  • Jan 28, 2016
    Cyclone
    Give it time. A couple factors control why they are more rare:
    1. They began deliveries a few months after P85Ds, so they are a younger "model" to have hit the CPO market
    2. They were never the "top of the line" model, so the buyers of them may be less likely to trade up soon.
    -- Some P85D buyers may have bought that model for more than the Tesla experience or eco-friendliness. Not all of them, but some of them. Thus, this "crowd" is more likely to have traded in for a P90D or a "supercar" from another company.

    This doesn't explain every scenario, but likely plays in role in why CPO 85Ds are more rare than CPO P85Ds.
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  • Jan 28, 2016
    Pinot.Noir
    Is it just me or did Hank's CPO website go down?
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  • Jan 28, 2016
    ahurst
    Down
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  • Jan 28, 2016
    dgpcolorado
    Seems to be working fine for me.
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  • Jan 28, 2016
    HankLloydRight
    Everything seems up and running.

    In the future, please use the EV-CPO.com CPO Consolidator support thread Thanks.
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  • Jan 28, 2016
    2krazykats
    So glad I got mine in December with the EOY deals. I'm subscribed to EV-CPO but haven't seen any deal since as good as what I got. Granted mine was an inventory that didn't appear on the site but my OA was able to find me a car I truly love driving every time I'm in it and am getting fed and state incentives for 2015.

    contacting a Tesla OA might be another option to consider. Good luck!
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  • Jan 28, 2016
    DRasheed
    After complaining that there were no good deals, a car popped up today that was just what I was looking for so I pulled the trigger! Guess the squeaky wheel gets the greasin...
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  • Jan 28, 2016
    SmartElectric
    Nice. P? AP?
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  • Jan 29, 2016
    mrjedistud

    From what ive seen there was a noticeable drop in price back in November and December. Since then I haven't seen the same level of prices. It could have just been that there were higher mileage cars for sale back then. I think trade ins come in waves. As tesla was pushing to make year end sales goals on new cars this resulted in a large number of trade in s from customers. I would suspect that the next big push in cpo volumes will be when the x deliveries hit in full force or when the first leases expire.
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  • Jan 29, 2016
    AMPd
    Congrats!
    Specs?
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  • Jan 29, 2016
    Zaphod
    It wouldn't have been a white P85 with AP was it? If so, you stole my car! J/K..:tongue:

    I saw it posted and was waiting to get the approval from the wife and came back shortly after and it was gone...snooze you lose...
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  • Jan 29, 2016
    Drucifer
    Need to get spousal pre-approval so you can pull the trigger at will. Trust me on this.
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  • Jan 29, 2016
    Zaphod
    Oh yes, definitely have that now :cool:
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  • Jan 29, 2016
    DRasheed
    I'm on a tighter budget than the average poster here so I ended up with a grey S85, 2013 with about 22K miles. Rear seats, leather, pano, and air suspension. Got it for 58,200. I don't think that it was the best deal ever, but it was exactly what I wanted so I pulled the trigger.

    I really wanted the 85 battery, and I have 2 young kids who will fit in the rear seats for several years so that was a must for me. Needing rear seats really limits your selection, unfortunately, since less than 20% of the cars have it. I acknowledge the "cool factor" of autopilot and strongly considered getting a new 70, but the range of the 85 battery and saving another 12K was more important to me.

    I got the alert from Hank's site, and within 20 minutes I put down my deposit.
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  • Jan 29, 2016
    HankLloydRight
    Sweet!
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  • Jan 29, 2016
    SmartElectric
    Well,um....if it's 12am and she's been sleeping for a few hours and you say 'hey I just put down a reservation for a used Tesla' and she says 'huh? Ok' does that count?!
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  • Jan 29, 2016
    dgpcolorado
    After mulling it over for awhile I decided to look for a 2014 with a VIN at 38,000 or higher to get a somewhat newer build, rather than go for one of the cheapest cars. (I also kicked around the idea of leasing a new 70D, but after spending more than $30k over three years I'd end up with no car.) I'd been watching the car I bought for several weeks hoping that it would come down in price but I really wanted to get moving on it before my spring travel season starts in late March. So, I pulled the trigger yesterday.

    I picked up one of the "overpriced" S60s mentioned by several others upthread � albeit with very low miles � after comparing it to a more expensive (+$8500) but slightly newer S85 with higher miles. I'd have to pay a $1500 transport fee for either car, so that wasn't a consideration. Since the car hasn't been registered in Colorado it will be eligible for our $6000 tax credit.

    Getting the S60 will mean somewhat longer Supercharging times, but otherwise range won't be an issue on the routes I plan to drive. And I live in "Supercharger heaven", with six Supercharger stations* within Tesla range of my house in the mountains.

    Because of the low miles I assume that the car won't have had a DU replacement, so I expect that I will face that someday. And it will be a major nuisance with the nearest Service Center 330 miles away, but I'll manage.


    * Glenwood Springs, Grand Junction, Green River, Moab, Blanding, Farmington.
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  • Jan 29, 2016
    DougH
    I loved my 60, but the range anxiety got to me and I traded up to a P85.
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  • Jan 29, 2016
    dgpcolorado
    I've been driving a LEAF for 4+ years without range anxiety. Being an expert hypermiler and comfortable with energy units I don't anticipate problems. I expect that using rated miles as an energy proxy or Wh/mile consumption versus miles traveled/remaining will be pretty straightforward for me. The longest leg I face on any long trip is 147 miles with relatively little elevation change by Colorado standards (Tremonton, UT to Twin Falls, ID). It isn't a route that I do in winter.

    I'm also perfectly happy to drive 65 in the right lane if needed, as opposed to going 80-85, as seems so popular among performance-oriented Tesla drivers. It is a different mindset; I just listen to audio books and chill.
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  • Jan 29, 2016
    DougH
    You will love it. Tesla's are so much funnier to drive than a Leaf.

    Congrats!
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  • Jan 29, 2016
    KJD
    Congrats on the new purchase. After driving the LEAF for that long you are really going to enjoy the Tesla, I am sure.

    What are the details on the Tesla?
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  • Jan 29, 2016
    pchilds
    You will be able drive at the speed limit again, I do now.
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  • Jan 29, 2016
    abasile
    Very happy for you! I'm sure you will thoroughly enjoy your new ride. :)

    For now, I'll be keeping myself content by reading of everyone's Tesla experiences here. My wife's preference is do a bit of long-postponed remodeling before we buy an expensive car. Since we pay cash for everything, this means waiting a bit longer (months, not years, thankfully).
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  • Jan 29, 2016
    DougH
    Love that more and more people are able to get into Tesla's.
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  • Jan 29, 2016
    dgpcolorado
    I really like driving the LEAF and it may well be more comfortable than the S, although that remains to be seen. I am looking forward to being able to take longer range trips, especially to Moab (about 145 miles) which I often do as a day trip or one-nighter. The back roads I use to get there are lovely and only used by a handful of locals.

    I will really miss the heated steering wheel in the LEAF; I rarely use the heater here in sunny Colorado, even when it is 10 degrees F, so that isn't an issue for trips under an hour. I'm a thin-blooded Hawaiian so I dress warmly in winter but after three decades here I'm used to the snow and cold.

    The S60 I am buying is basically the same "stripper" I would have ordered new (except that I would have liked a D for getting up my long steep driveway in winter; I'll get some cable chains for this car). It is white, has only 6000 miles on it and looks pretty new from the pictures. The idea was that even after a couple of years of driving it the car would still have some trade-in value, should I want to get a Model 3. Or I could keep it if I was happy with it. Not looking forward to driving a huge "land yacht" though. I do hope that I can fit my mountain bike in it without too much difficulty (I am tall so my bike is fairly large). So I am pleased that the S is a "liftback".

    I have solar panels so I pay nothing for electricity (I've built up a 900 kWh credit over the years, so the extra electricity needed for the S, versus the more efficient LEAF, is covered). There are also Level 2 public charge stations at two of my main local destination cities. I use them so that people can see them getting used; EVs are still rare out here in the boondocks. [My grocery shopping trips are typically 70 miles round trip with 2500 feet of elevation change: it isn't suburbia. And all of my local driving involves steep hills, curvy mountain roads and significant elevation changes.]

    And I am really looking forward to getting rid of my ICEV and going to just one car, a BEV, at long last.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Yes, family concerns need to come first. I had some reasons for making the move now rather than waiting for the 3.

    Should be fun driving the S from Ouray over Red Mountain Pass, as you can well imagine!
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  • Jan 30, 2016
    DougH
  • Jan 30, 2016
    Wshowell
    Curious to what everyone's thoughts are on how best to spend $55k CPO all NON AP:
    choice A: 60 battery, fully loaded with options, higher vin>40k, low miles <10k
    choice B: 85 battery, few options, higher vin>40k, med miles >25k
    choice C: 85P battery, stripped, low vin <5k, higher miles >40k
    i live on the Ca coast with Superchargere in every direction (except the ocean) within 45 miles and never more than 100 miles away from 95% of my distance driving.
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  • Jan 30, 2016
    DougH
    I would always go for the power of the P.
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  • Jan 30, 2016
    viperboy
  • Jan 30, 2016
    Wshowell
    Always P even is it's a 2012 VIN under 500? Just trying to gauge evaluate the value of performance over, built quality, mileage aka wear and tear, versus features and range.
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  • Jan 30, 2016
    DougH
    With the choices you gave yes. If it's a CPO Tesla is going to update the lower VIN somewhat. 60 are a blast to drive but, for me anyway, the range anxiety drove me nuts. The miles seemed to go down way to fast. And for me, an basic 85 is a no go.

    I did search your price and there is a nice looking P85+, which gives you the power and the better suspension, might want to consider that.

    85 kWh Performance Model S P18906 | Tesla Motors
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  • Jan 30, 2016
    andrewknight
    i just made this same decision a couple weeks ago and went with option C. I was originally going to go with option B but decided that the P was worth the $5k premium. For mid 50's you will get a lower vin build but it doesn't have to be a stripper you just have to be patient :). On the VIN, I just finished driving a loaner for a week that was identical to my car except it was a year newer ~35k VIN. I honestly saw very little difference between the cars and was not at all disappointed in the direction I went. Good luck with the search!
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  • Jan 30, 2016
    Wshowell
    Thanks for the comments. I know you've had several S's so it's valuable. Funny, I'm literally in Manhattan right now on a business trip so this NY car has me thinking about the salt truck I saw dumping a ton of salt on Park Ave. gotta' be rough on any car. Walking back to my hotel tonight I passed a hotel "Roger Smith". The hotel has their own P85+ for chauffeuring their guests around right out front. How ridiculous is that purchase? A + with 21" to take someone to Times Square, Empire State, Central Park etc. someone uniformed basically checked every box possible when making the purchase for the hotel. A 60 would have been better for such things.
    the link you provided is a sweet P85+. I'll be calling USAA to better understand how my rates will change depending on what I ultimately decide on.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Thank you everyone, sitting back and reading your comments. Helpful!
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  • Jan 31, 2016
    Drucifer
    I did C, but fully loaded and somewhat more than $55k. You will have a tough time finding a P85 without a lot of options, since the original P85 buyers were not skimping on the rest of the car.
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  • Jan 31, 2016
    dhanson865
    I'd go with A or B depending on color preference and options preferences and what A and B have.

    Range isn't an issue for me and doesn't sound like it will be for you.

    I'd specifically call Tesla and ask if any of your A or B options have the AP hardware and can have AP enabled. That alone would make me choose that car over one that didn't have that option.

    Personally I'm avoiding cars that don't have that hardware though I could live without the software activated until sometime later, just so long as I have the software when I want to use it (given a couple hours or days, however long it takes to purchase the software upgrade).
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  • Jan 31, 2016
    mrjedistud
    I went with option c. at $61k I was able to get a fully loaded p85. if you have to stay below $55k an older and or higher mileage option should be doable. you may have to wait a bit for the right car but you will be able to get something. best of luck.
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