Feb 25, 2016
aesculus It looks like you picked two close cars. What about the outside temp at 50 degrees F? Is that realistic for CHG at this time of the year?�
Feb 25, 2016
scottf200 It looks like a reasonable estimate for the IN and KY drive.
For the 19", I basically played with the speed factor (1.05) to bring up wh/mile value to ~365. Just looking at some of the examples in this thread I thought that was doable if you drive reasonable and the road is generally flat (and mostly highway). I wasn't sure if this technique made since or if I should just go with the larger tire vehicle. Maybe it doesn't matter. Just thought others may have been through this or played with speed factor to get it to match their personal S driving.�
Feb 27, 2016
ptsagcy OK - so here are the results of my first fairly short road trip (142 miles round trip) from NJ to the Tannersville, PA SC. MX is new with 600 miles on the odometer.
Temps were in the mid to high 30's, quite windy. Heat set at 68 deg. Trip is hilly with positive elevation change going up to the Pocono Mountains and negative coming home to NJ (+/- 571'). 2 people in the car and driving at 75 mph most of the way.
NJ to PA: Actual Mileage 71, Rated miles used 98, Avg KWh 430, elevation change +571' (from EV Trip Planner)
PA to NJ: Actual Mileage 71, Rated miles used 81 (lots of traffic leaving the outlet mall), Avg KWh 355, elevation change -571'
Going NJ to Richmond, VA next weekend so we'll see how we do on a flatter, longer trip.�
Feb 28, 2016
pvogel That's pretty good considering your speed!�
Mar 3, 2016
O-G 392 average is way better than my 425 average. Only big difference is I have the 22" wheels. But, I'm not doing 75 MPH and not in 30 degree weather. Tesla service is now replacing the HV battery cables. Thy seem to think that I'm no getting proper "connection" to the front motor and possibly power is not transferring there during cruising, resulting in higher W/mile. We shall see.�
Mar 3, 2016
EcoHeliGuy Interesting.
Also on a side note, obviously 19" rims fit as they are provided with the Tesla winter tire package. Makes me wonder what kind of efficiency they can deliver if fitted with non-winter tires.�
Mar 4, 2016
Thorsten I have the option to buy an EU Model X Founders by Referral. As the tires/rims seem to have a significant impact (according to the posts in this thread of 10%) on the range I'm not sure if it's a good idea to select the 22' rims.
My expectations are that the Model X P90DL will at least achieve 300-350 km range driving on German Highways at about 100-120 km/h. Is this realistic?
Can someone please provide information about the typcal range (not rated) shown after a full charge?�
Mar 4, 2016
scottf200 Not sure about that.
You are asking about: ~218 miles (350) at ~75 mph (120)
Title: Driving Range for the Model S Family - JB Straubel, Chief Technical Officer December 30, 2014
Driving Range for the Model S Family | Tesla Motors
Image: http://i.imgur.com/20SS6go.png
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Mar 4, 2016
Thorsten Thank you for the range estimation of the different Model S and X variants. According to the table the Model X P90DL would achieve a range of 340 km driving at 120 km/h.
If this is realistic under normal weather conditions that's OK for me. A range below 300 km at moderate highway speed would be a problem.�
Mar 4, 2016
EcoHeliGuy But only 80% of that range is really available for daily use. You don't charge to 100% and there is a reserve at the bottom to protect the battery. The 211 above is the range you get from 100%-0% while using range mode for the odd occasion.
You'll need to look for a super charger�
Mar 4, 2016
scottf200 I made up that Model X line in the table using the 65 to 75 mph differences. I'm not sure now tho that the X will go 250 miles at 65 mph. You should read that article and related ones. The range maybe less than you think. Also not the other posters great point about 100% to 0%. Our USA superchargers are rougthly 125 miles apart so we are OK here.�
Mar 5, 2016
Thorsten I understand that the values in your table are based on a theoretical calculation. Based on that I'd expect a 20% lower range for the Model X than the corresponding Model S.
But what is your daily experience? What is the value for "typical range" when you charge the Model X to 100% (or X%)? How far could you go on a single charge and what was the remaining range? What is the energy consumption when driving at highway speed?�
Mar 5, 2016
O-G FWIW. I have about 3500 miles on the car. A lot of it is freeway miles at average 65 mph. (Not 75 and there's a big difference). 900 miles of this was a trip, heavily loaded with 6 adults full cabin climate, through a mountain pass. I have 22" rims. Temperature around here has been around 50F. A lot of rain and it seems that rain has a significant impact. I'm probably a moderately aggressive driver. My average W/mile is 425. So, my simple math.... The rated W/mile has been determined to be approximately 340. 425-340=85. 340/85=25%. Meaning, I'm achieving about 75% of the rated range. On a 90% charge I get 227 rated miles. 227x75%=170. Leave yourself a 10% cushion since no one goes to 0 and you get 153. I'd round that to a nice even 150 mile actual range.
Recognize that this is driving around with no consideration for range. Cabin heat where I want it, seat heat or steering wheel heat when I want it, a few ludicrous show offs with friends, etc. All in all, I would consider this to be not a worse case scenario but a high end average. I expect it will be better in the summer. Maybe up my number to 80% for a year round number?
On the other extreme, I just had the car delivered to me from the tesla service center, a trip of 58 miles. I believe that the service person did everything to minimize the W/mile since I have been discussing this issue with them. I know he never exceeded 60 MPH because I tracked the trip. I know that cabin climate was off for some portion of the trip because he told me so. Is was not raining and was probably mid 50's for temp. His W/mile for the trip was 348.
With the MX in the shop several times, I've had a chance to drive several MS models. I believe the rated W/mile is about 315. I don't seem to have a problem hitting that with with my driving style and conditions. I was there or close in a P85D and better than that in a non performance 70. It seems that the MX is more susceptible to outside variables such as rain, speed, temp, etc. makes sense since it's a bigger car.
Bottom line, even if you work at it, I don't see hitting the rated 340W/mile. You can't control all elements, like the weather. Maybe if you live in 70 degree weather, it never rains, you never turn on the climate, etc it's possible but I don't think so in typical year round conditions.
One caveat, remember I have the 22" rims. People have thrown out the statement that they cost 10% in range. I have no idea if that is true and don't really know how they would know. 10% is a huge number. I'd be surprised but I have no information to support or dispute the statement.
i hope this helps. I realize there isn't much live data out there yet.�
Mar 5, 2016
satheesh.net @Thorsten: You could always sell off the 22" if you find them not to live up to your expectation and range. I'm guessing you have a Signature reservation since you are battling between the 20" and the 22". I went through the same battle and ended up on choosing the 22". Since the prices are identical and you could easily make a few bucks on them if you sold them to get the 20" wheels, I would definitely go for the 22".�
Mar 6, 2016
pvogel On my Prius v I take a 5% hit with the 17" wheels vs my buddy's identical v with 16" wheels so 10% would not surprise me�
Mar 6, 2016
andrewket Performance tires vs all seasons or LRR tires makes a big difference as well.�
Mar 7, 2016
Macgaver I like your table, thanks for sharing.
I also did a "range fact" table some weeks ago. Only the tire size on the X are approximations (the one for the model-S are factual)
It helped me take the decision to get a X-90D (we see my green highlight !) ... but finally moved forward with a Signature upgrade�
Mar 8, 2016
O-G Couple of questions. You said the MS numbers at factual. From where? This shows less than 3% impact having the larger wheels which is far less than I've been told. Second question or comment, this table appears to be rated range. In my experience, I can hit the rated W/mile, i.e. range, in the MS but can't come close in the MX. Based upon my history, I could not present this to a potential MX buyer and say this is the range to expect. Looking at my history right now, 3800.2 miles, 414 W/mile. That would achieve about 78% of rated rate range.
It would be nice if there were more actual numbers to compare. I realize there aren't a lot of MXs out there but it seems like there would be more discussion of personal experience. Maybe on a different thread?�
Mar 8, 2016
scottf200 Good question. I'm driving on two different trips and directions this Fri and Sat/Sun. I plan on using Auto-Pilot for as much as I can.
It will be my first trip(s) in any Tesla so I don't know what data to capture yet. Set A trip at the start, the use B trip between each supercharger? Pictures of trip driving screens. Need to research. Likely threads on it.�
Mar 8, 2016
mikevbf Another data point by PGeer 345 W/mile with 6 passengers and/or luggage over 4000 miles.�
Mar 9, 2016
PGeer Mind you, that's 4000 miles of freeway driving. I'm doing a bit worse (380-sh) around home where there are hills and lots of start stops.�
Mar 19, 2016
MarchX Picked up my 90D, one of the first non-P's to be delivered yesterday at Fremont.
Drove home to the Central Coast (South of San Luis Obispo), so no net elevation change.
221 miles average 319 Wh / mile. Mostly freeway speeds of upper 60s to lower 70s�
Mar 19, 2016
MarchX And by the way, the spoiler on my 90 D is active!�
Mar 19, 2016
openwyder Rear Pics Please!
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Mar 19, 2016
ohmman This is excellent preliminary information! Thanks, keep us updated.�
Mar 19, 2016
McManX Really? Would love to see pics!�
Mar 19, 2016
araxara Is it really active (i.e. adjust with speed), or does it just retract when car is locked? Either way, it�s great. I almost upgraded to the P90D model to get the retracting (when parked) spoiler, but wanted the little extra range the 90D provides.�
Mar 19, 2016
MarchX 
i'm guessing it's active, but hard to tell when driving if the changes are subtle. All I know for sure is it retracts and goes up.
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Mar 19, 2016
LeonardD From what I have heard, with the P90D it is very obvious when the position changes, so the fact that it retracts is not an indication that it is "active" (actively changing at different speeds). Either way, I am glad that it retracts. I think it is in Tesla's best interest to do whatever it takes to maximize range.
Your car is beautiful. Congratulations and thanks for posting the pictures.�
Mar 19, 2016
K-MTG Congrats, did they give you a sunshade when you picked up the car? Any updates on the all weather mats�
Mar 19, 2016
pvogel It's *quite* evident when things change. Slow speed the 'max visibility' position has the spoiler looking like a Very thin line in the rear view mirror, as you speed up and it goes to range position the spoiler blocks about half of the view through the glass underneath it.
Max visibility position shown in the attached photo�
Mar 19, 2016
MarchX No sunshade - I asked and was told I would eventually get one - kind of vague answer by the dos
Did not inquire about all weather mats�
Mar 19, 2016
MarchX Thanks for that input and photo - I'll see if there is anything more than fully up or retracted tomorrow�
Mar 20, 2016
johnc11050 Thanks for the update on the 'active' or 'non active' spoiler. Valuable info on this forum as there is no other way we would find out about these 'changes'. Somehow DS sometimes do not get the info. Thanks again and enjoy!!!�
Mar 20, 2016
gmtom1 Are there any settings in the controls screen for the spoiler? I believe the P model with the "active" spoiler has a control toggle on the settings screen to control if/when the spoiler goes up or down.
Ok, so now that we know that, does this mean the "non-active" spoiler on the 70D will be the same? i.e. retracts flush when parked?
From a practical standpoint, I still maintain the "non-active" spoiler should still retract fully, otherwise you could be in for some damage if you went through an automatic car wash.�
Mar 20, 2016
Blurry_Eyed The spoiler will be about level until you get to about 42 miles per hour. The easiest way to see if you have an active spoiler is to note the spoiler position when first driving. Then take a look at it while you are on the freeway. If it's in a different position than when you first started driving the car, then I would assume it's active. If it's in the same position as when you first started driving the car, then it's not active.
The two positions I see in our 'Active' spoiler are basically level, starting out driving to around 42 miles per hour. Then it tilts back about 30 or 40 degrees so you can see the underside of the spoiler (Basically it's smoothing out the airflow to create less turbulence behind the car).�
Mar 20, 2016
ohmman The question, assuming that the 90D spoilers are motorized like @MarchX has shown, is why wouldn't they include the "active" portion? Obviously it's a tiny software thing - is that worth holding back from 90D vs P90D? I would have thought it would be a fixed spoiler, which would indeed save some cost.. but this is a little strange. I realize there is a history of software restrictions available "for pay", but this one just seems odd considering it can help with range.�
Mar 20, 2016
AnOutsider Right, and going up to a P90D to get a feature that helps range is counter-intuitive seeing how you apparently lose range due to the P motor.�
Mar 20, 2016
quartzav I suspect that this is part of the effort to upsell P90D. Since both already meet Elon's definition of "enough range". Through this to artificially narrow P90D and 90D to have only 7 miles EPA estimated differences. (Asides extremely optimistic protection on P90D range to start with?)�
Mar 20, 2016
MarchX Just back from a spoiler test ride and the definitive answer is in:
on the 90D the spoiler is definitely NOT inactive.......once I hit mid 40's it tipped down dramatically.�
Mar 20, 2016
ohmman Well, well, well. Thanks for this. So that leaves us to wonder if this is something just limited to the early 90Ds (before they're able to implement fixed spoiler), or just a communication snafu at configuration, or what. I'm hopeful nobody purchased the P90D exclusively for the purpose of getting an adaptive spoiler - if they did, I'm guessing we'll be hearing from them shortly below.�
Mar 20, 2016
JimVandegriff Thanks for that report, MarchX.�
Mar 20, 2016
gmtom1 Thanks for the report! Is there anything in the settings page for the spoiler on your 90D? The manual for the X indicates there should be a settings control for the spoiler, but I think it's describing the P90D function.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out once the 70D deliveries start. Based purely on the design studio specifications and description, there should be no difference in how the spoiler functions between the 70D and 90D. It could just be a case where the differentiating factor in P90 vs. 90 is the ability to adjust the spoiler via settings.�
Mar 20, 2016
MarchX In the settings page there is one setting for automatic or extended ( under service and reset tab)�
Mar 20, 2016
McManX Interesting ... Do we know what the setting options are on the P90D�
Mar 21, 2016
proven We got the P90D but we didn't get it because of the spoiler. However, the fact that it was advertised as an extra feature in the $20k upgrade and then it turns out not to be is kind of a low blow. It was probably made to simplify manufacturing, but it's still a case of misleading information.�
Mar 21, 2016
AnOutsider FTFY�
Mar 21, 2016
MrBoylan Nice bonus for 90D owners. Thanks for sharing. Let's hope they don't disable that feature with a firmware update!�
Mar 21, 2016
PGeer An update. Based on 4700 miles now, mixed freeway and rural, my overall average "mileage" is 347wh/mile. Although we spent time in Arizona, much of the recent driving has been in 45-50deg weather. I'm betting this number will improve during Spring/Summer.�
Mar 21, 2016
loganintx Thanks for the data update. I've based my fuel savings calculation using 350 Wh/mile so I'm glad I'm seeing data supporting this for mixed use driving.�
Mar 21, 2016
pvogel I'm seeing similar numbers for the ~200 miles I drove over the weekend. Highway driving I was running lower than that, town driving was higher.�
Mar 21, 2016
MrBoylan Yay. Glad to see you finally got your car (been out of the X loop for a while). Congrats!�
Mar 21, 2016
pvogel Yep! Got mine Thursday evening and loving it! Took an act of willpower to ride my bicycle to work as usual instead of driving this morning!�
Mar 21, 2016
ptsagcy Are you just using the trip meter and not resetting it or is there another way to see Wh/M somewhere?�
Mar 21, 2016
ohmman The standard thing to do "around here" is to leave Trip A as your overall mileage average (i.e. never reset it). Trip B is for longish trips. And the automatic trip meter is for start/stops.�
Mar 21, 2016
ptsagcy Sounds like a plan - thanks�
Mar 25, 2016
aesculus We just got our regular 90D last night and had a 160 mile trip back home from Fremont. 680 was a parking lot and stop and go. Oddly the kwh/mi was around 328. Later when we got up to speed (averaging 65-70) it improved. Outside temp was around 80 degrees F and we did not have the AC on at first but later at 75 degrees F.
The first picture was an hour and half into the drive where it was mostly stop and go. Note we only went 32.6 miles in that time. Welcome to the Bay Area on a evening commute. The Wh/mi is around 327. Probably what you would expect for a 90D.
This next picture is much later into the drive where we have been averaging around 65 to 70 mph. The Wh/mi has dropped to 316. The outside temp started around 80 and lowered to 75. The car was set at 75 with the back turned off.
When we pulled into the supercharger in Folsom to top the car off and get a bit to each this is what was displayed:
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Mar 25, 2016
BrettH @aesculus thanks for the trip info in your 90D! Is that the standard Tesla navigation in the first photo? I thought Tesla used Google Maps navigation? Did you notice if your spoiler was active too (goes down when off, and lowers above 40 mph)?�
Mar 25, 2016
AnOutsider Google is used on the big screen in the center console. The dash behind the steering wheel is navigon�
Mar 25, 2016
aesculus The spoiler is fully active. Nice gift.�
Mar 26, 2016
Novalis With a few 90D having now been delivered- and tested- what is the probability that (1) the 90D does indeed live up to Tesla official expectations in terms of range (around 340 Wh/m, on average) - as suggested by MarchX , aesculus and others in this thread, and that, simultaneously, (2) the P90D' s range - even with the proper '90D' setting- has been significantly overestimated by Telsa , which translates into a measured 400Wh/h at best - as suggested by a number of P90D owner in various threads?
If confirmed, these reports would testify to a minimum 15% difference between the 90D and the P90D operating in the same mode, vs a mere 4% advertised by Tesla. Any more 'live' data and testimonies from actual owners of both models would be invaluable to get to the bottom of this matter...�
Mar 26, 2016
pvogel I get 340-350 Wh/mile on the highway in my P90D�
Mar 27, 2016
Novalis Thanks for sharing! What is you actual wh/m on stop And go/ City conditions? I am interested in info on outside temp in which you achieved 345 on highway?... On 20' wheels?
I have 5 days more to my final choice: p90d vs 90d. If 90d' range is 10% higher or more, I would definitely go with the 90d....�
Mar 27, 2016
LeonardD The actual range difference according to the spec sheet is less than 3%. The acceleration difference 0-60 mph is one second for the P90D without ludicrous mode vs. the 90D.�
Mar 27, 2016
mkjayakumar Aesculus: Those 90D numbers are really good. Given for an S the typical numbers are around 295wh/mile, an increase of just 20 wh/mile for X is pretty good.
That should get you close to a range of 250 miles which is what I think Tesla had indicated.�
Mar 27, 2016
andrewket We can get 340-360 on our P90DL with all season 20's; or should I say my wife can. I'm almost always in the 400's unless I'm concentrating�
Mar 27, 2016
satheesh.net Just a small detail I noticed. In my Model S, the navigation has changed "line-colors" from orange to light blue in the recent firmwares. But it is orange in this picture from the Model X. Maybe the built-in map isn't updated yet?�
Mar 27, 2016
scottf200 My two examples:
Example of my drive two day drive - divided 70 mph highway
Example of my drive today - part divided highway and part 2 lane rural�
Mar 27, 2016
ptsagcy At the risk of re-stating the obvious, speed and driving style have a huge impact on range. I'm finding that at 65 mph and driving somewhat conservatively, I can get rated range in the 330-340 area. Stepping up to 75 mph will increase it to 360-380. Dropping sown to 50-55 I get very close to 300+/- These numbers are on flat terrain. I will be taking a trip from northern NJ to Orlando next month and I will have more credible numbers to report.�
Mar 28, 2016
aesculus Does Tesla provide a chart or graph that shows rated range base on speed in flat terrain, no wind and no climate on? Sort of like you get with aircraft manuals?�
Mar 28, 2016
scottf200 Model S - Driving Range for the Model S Family�
Mar 28, 2016
Novalis Very informative.Many thanks indeed for sharing.�
Mar 28, 2016
Zac C We just took delivery of our Midnight Silver Model X P90D last week! We finished shooting our Top 12 features video - hope you enjoy!�
Mar 28, 2016
KOL2000 Pleased to report that the trip to Big Bear from San Diego went pretty much the same as my 2013 P+ with 21 inch tires. See attached screen shot - Trip B is the going and returning. Left San diego and arrived in BB with about 53 RR (mostly uphill). Charged to 228 (90%) and arrived home with 133 RR (mostly downhill).
Very pleased and somewhat mystified by how Tesla engineers could take a car with an extra motor and 1500 pounds and less aerodynamic and make it the same efficiency with only 5 extra kWh.
As a family car it is so much more convenient than the S and much less stuffy. Anyone with kids will appreciate being able to put the car on autopilot while you assist in feeding kids or eating your own sandwich. Also the big windshield makes the view even more enjoyable. Having done the exact same drive multiple times with the S I can confidently say that this is a MUCH better road trip car with kids (for anyone on the fence between S and X).�
Mar 28, 2016
K-MTG Nice, where did you charge at Big Bear? I go to snow valley often and should have no issues with making a round trip from Irvine but would like to know of a charging station�
Mar 28, 2016
KOL2000 I charge at my cabin. Installed a 240V there.�
Mar 28, 2016
K-MTG Cool!�
Mar 28, 2016
EcoHeliGuy Yes they do, hold on....
And someone beat me to it�
Apr 7, 2016
Coolcarx I drove from NJ to Dayton, OH and back in 2 days. Left Sunday @ 2pm and was back Tuesday@ 7:30 am. 1250 miles. Major range problems. Driving in 28 degree temps with wind. Had to go south (MD) to actually make it home even though estimate was fine at first. Over and over, I found myself driving 50mph in hopes of making it to next supercharger. Estimated range was off by 20-30%. Added a good 6 hrs on top of the normal 9 hour trip. I think the x is beyond awesome but it's local driving only for me. More stations needed to ever attempt that again. I'm sure that is right around the corner. I also found out running out of power is considered neglect not covered by roadside assistance. I did not run out but learned that from Tesla employee. I'm glad it didn't come down to that. After the drive I had I would have gladley returned car. Only owned it for 5 days.�
Apr 7, 2016
loganintx You should move to Texas. We barely get 1 day a year at 28�F and there's charging stations every 150 miles and nobody is ever using them.
What was your Avg Wh/mi for the trip?�
Apr 7, 2016
ohmman I'm really sorry to hear about this. That's the kind of experience that will shake even a veteran EV owner. I've only been faced with one waylay due to wind/rain/cold, and I found a convenient 80A charging location that required a 30 minute stop. Nothing like what you went through.
The trouble is that your first long road trip was done in some of the worst conditions. Cold and wind are tough. Turning off the interior heat and using seat heat only will help quite a bit if you find yourself in that situation. It's not the most comfortable, but if it saves you a couple of hours of rerouting, it can be worth it. Was it raining? Rain is a killer as well. I'd probably rate them wind, cold, and rain - in that order.
I assure you - a similar trip in more ideal conditions (read: summer) will be a breeze, and you'll have a completely different experience. I hope you won't be too shy to give it another shot, though I wouldn't blame you after what you've been through.
My short ownership period on my 90D has me at about 331 Wh/mi and steadily dropping. That's in town and highway driving. My S P85's lifetime consumption rate is 298 Wh/mi, so I'm pretty happy with how my X is performing so far.�
Apr 8, 2016
Coolcarx Trust me when I say I would love to. My daughter is heading to Baylor this fall.�
Apr 8, 2016
Coolcarx Thanks for the info. It was raining. I had my 9yr old son with me. To add insult to injury the heat was not working. I tried everything to get it to work. It works now so not worried about it. The trip was an emergency trip with a relative on life support. The whole thing was rushed but it all worked out. Thank you Jesus!
I drove the last 12miles on zero range left! Really like the car & considering getting a second x. This one is my for my wife.�
Apr 8, 2016
EcoHeliGuy Heat wasn't working? By any chance did you have Range mode enabled? The heat output is reduced if this is the case. Pre heating while plugged in to the charger before leaving really helps reduce effect while driving.�
Apr 8, 2016
Coolcarx No. In fact i was getting it charged with no heat output available. It didn't work until after the next supercharger station when I knew i could fly home with ample charge. The only thing I could think was with it 28 degrees and me going 50mph the system wasn't able to generate enough battery heat flo. This is my total uneducated guess.�
Apr 8, 2016
ohmman I suggest calling (or emailing) your service center with the exact time and date, and having them pull the logs. It shouldn't cost you much time, and it's worth having it looked at. This isn't the behavior of a Tesla. As was mentioned, range mode will lower the output (but not disable it). I would be upset if you made the assumption that it's "normal" and then had it happen again when it's so cold. I'm sure your SC will be happy to look at it.�
Apr 8, 2016
EcoHeliGuy Totally agree, Tesla's goal is to sell the best car, not a compromise�
Apr 10, 2016
Lucidor Has there been a comparison of range between the 20" and 22" wheels? I do like the look of the 22" wheels on that big car, but if the penalty on range is significant I will reconsider.�
Apr 10, 2016
neverdone My wife and I did our first road trip this weekend in our Model X.
From Loveland, CO to Glenwood Springs, CO.
Up and over the Continental Divide.
I charged to max before our trip; 250 mile range.
Charged about 15 minutes in Silverthorn, about 80 miles remaining.
Energy usage going over Vail pass.
Charged again about 15 minutes in Glenwood Springs.
Spent the rest of the day visiting relatives and giving rides in the Tesla.
We stayed the night at Marriott Courtyard in Glenwood Springs next to the SC.
We were the only Teslas at both Silverthorn and Glenwood Springs.
I am not sure of the etiquette of charging overnight;
but since we were the only Tesla and there were 5 more open spaces I thought is was OK to stayed plugged in overnight
On Sunday we drove back to Loveland.
Picture going over Vail pass, 10,000 feet, and it is snowing.
We charged again at Silverthorn and there were several Teslas.
If you only can go downhill all the time you can get tremendous range.
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Apr 10, 2016
ohmman Official etiquette is never plug in overnight. I typically charge to 80% on arrival, move, then if I need to top up in the morning I move back to the charger before breakfast.
Looks like a great trip! Thanks for posting. We need a trip report subforum here.�
Apr 10, 2016
aesculus I suspect the 999 mile range is capped by the software developer.�
Apr 11, 2016
Darryl I guess the question is, on the non-P versions is the positioned fixed after it comes up or does it change based on speed ?�
Apr 11, 2016
ohmman It changes based on speed (visibility mode under 40mph, aero above that, flat when locked). It acts identically to the spoiler on the P90D. At least, the ones that have been delivered to date do this (including mine). It's possible that'll change.�
Apr 12, 2016
WilliamZ Sorry, late in the party here. I am a little lost. Question: 90D comes with a spoiler as standard? (never mind if is active or inactive)�
Apr 12, 2016
Roentgen Received my 90D 3/30. Mine came with the active spoiler, which I was happy to receive. I think the consensus is that this may be temporary, and may change as they start building more standard models. I think I read some people think the standard nonactive spoiler hasn't even been produced yet... so you may get lucky if you'll be receiving it soon.�
Apr 15, 2016
ptsagcy Temps, wind, terrain and speed have a tremendous impact on range (nothing new here). Just drove NJ to Orlando and encountered low temps and high winds/rain/snow, warming and weather improving as we went south. Speeds 65-80mph. Cold, wind & rain kept the Wh/mi in the low 400's range, improved to 360-370 at 75-80 mph. No problem achieving rated range at lower speeds (60-65) in better weather and at times 320-330. Weather is supposed to be good for the trip back over the weekend, but taking the western route up I-81 so we'll see how it does in the mountains.�
Apr 19, 2016
X Fan How was return range?�
Apr 20, 2016
Coolcarx "22" wheels cut range 10-15%." This was the part I didn't realize. This combined with cold temps, rain, & wind killed me on the trip.�
Apr 20, 2016
ohmman This is one reason I've dealt with aftermarket 19" wheels on my Model S. I wanted dark wheels, but Tesla didn't offer them in 19s. I was unwilling to go to 21s. I really like the look of 21s, but the trade-offs aren't worth it to me. Range, ride, tire wear, and flat risk.�
Apr 20, 2016
AnOutsider Yup, I went to 19" dark turbines (aftermarket) 2 summers ago, and never looked back. Same set of tires, same set of wheels. I think I had to replace 1 or 2 of the 21" in the time that I kept them on, and tires twice.
Nope, I'm good.�
Apr 20, 2016
FlatSix911 Tesla states that the 22" wheels have a significant range penalty of 10%-15% vs. the standard 20" wheel.
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Apr 20, 2016
systemcrashed @ptsagcy how long did the trip take? And how many times did you need to stop for charging? If you don't mind me asking.�
Apr 21, 2016
Jurnimon Cool Pictures of your X! I rented that eThos Tesla in your pic a few weekends ago on a ski trip to Copper. Good to see that someone else rented the car and did the same trip as we did!�
May 2, 2016
ptsagcy We took a bit of a scenic route going down the Del Marva
Peninsula and back to I-95 after the bridge/tunnel. Going back north we charged at Santee and headed west to I-81. These routes are longer but a much more pleasant ride. We stayed overnight in Lumberton on the way down and Stateville on the way north. We charged 3 or 4 times on each leg and tried to plan our stops around meals and overnights. Woodland Park, NJ to Orlando was about 22 hours each way including all stops taking the "scenic" routes. The ride in the MX was amazing. The seating comfort and position were fantastic and auto pilot made it very relaxing and easy. This is by far the best road-trip car I've ever driven. I found the Nav system to be very accurate for planning charging stops but always added a little cushion of 30 miles or so to the recommended charge.�
May 2, 2016
vangogh I've got an avg of 376 after 5000 miles split probably 75% of highway driving at 73mph and 25% city driving
20" wheels, Ludicrous on all the time (does it matter), and like to be quick off the line...climate control on 1/3 of the time�
May 2, 2016
aesculus Everyone needs to check their tires at least every other week if not weekly. I think a few pounds can make a sizable difference.
Today on a 120 mile trip with a few hills and limited climate control I got 325 average. Same trips before were around 340 so either the hills have changed or the car is a getting a bit better. I just have 1100 miles on it so far.�
May 2, 2016
systemcrashed I was told by a sales center rep that some of the newer software updates are designed to increase range... Maybe this is the "good stuff" Elon was hinting towards?�
May 2, 2016
EV-lutioin I was struggling with the same issue, I wanted black, but not 21". I wonder, is it possible to plasti-dip wheels to make them black?�
May 2, 2016
goneskiian Yes. Entirely possible. If done right it's pretty durable too. For even more durability you can have them powder coated.�
May 3, 2016
systemcrashed If you want to stay stock 20" for best range powdercoat them. Shops around here charge around $150/wheel.�
May 3, 2016
Jurnimon How cool would it be if the newer software access a previously hidden 10KW of battery on the MX 90D�
May 6, 2016
NovemberXray You probably already saw this, but you can get 20" turbine wheels from T-Sportline (tsportline.com - I have no affiliation, I've just been looking for winter wheels myself!�
May 8, 2016
MattXowner Heard you can only access about 85% of battery capacity, so 90KW battery gives 76.5KW of accessible energy. Any truth to this? I'm not talking about charging to 80%, I'm saying if you charge to 100%, the car restricts access to full power. Any truth?
If that was the case on 76.5KW average mid 350wh/mile = 218 of actual range. 90KW would get the rated 257 range.
Accurate for current drivers? Access to all 90kw or is it true there's a 15% inaccessible portion?�
May 9, 2016
stevezzzz I read somewhere on TMC that 340 Wh/mi equates to Rated range on the X. If true, and given the EPA range of 252 miles, it implies we have access to a usable 85.68kWh of the battery pack's rated 90kWh. That seems a bit high compared to the 85 packs, which have been observed to make about 77-78 kWh usable. Take all these numbers with a grain of salt, but it's absolutely true that Tesla reserves some capacity at the low end to protect the pack from bricking.�
May 9, 2016
AnOutsider I was looking at our window sticker the other day, and on it it says the car uses 38kwh to go 100 miles (P90D). Doesn't that equate to 380wh/m to get rated, or is my math off?�
May 9, 2016
AnOutsider btw, if the above is true, that would equate 236 miles for a full 90kwh pack (90 / 38 = 2.368; 2.368 * 100 = 236.84)�
May 9, 2016
loganintx Do you have 22" rims?�
May 9, 2016
AnOutsider Indeed I do. Perhaps the sticker is reflecting that?�
May 9, 2016
loganintx This could maybe help answer that 10-15% reduced range that the 22" tires supposedly have. Would like to see what someone else has on their sticker that has the 20" wheels!�
May 9, 2016
stevezzzz By golly, I dug out my Monroney sticker and found the same thing: 38 kWh per 100 miles (I have the 22" wheels, too). But that's at odds with the next line, which reads, 'When fully charged, vehicle can travel about 250 miles'. And my old Sig S had a fuel economy rating of 89 MPGe combined city and highway, exactly the same as the Model X. How can that be?�
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