Dec 8, 2015
R�B Looks like v7.1 beta testing has begun.
Source
Hoping for release in mid January.�
Dec 8, 2015
Max* UI overhaul, que 1,000 posts describing time and temp changes.
I kid, I kid. It'll be only 500�
Dec 8, 2015
Cyclone But hallelujah I will look forward to "Driver Mode" until some users let us know that it doesn't apply to Classics like my car!
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Dec 8, 2015
R�B I wonder if the "Driver Mode" will have a seamless and elegant way of engaging and disengaging. I hope so.�
Dec 8, 2015
msnow You mean like controls/settings/driver assistance/driver mode/on/off? [emoji1]�
Dec 8, 2015
tomas Let the wild speculation and savaging in advance of facts begin!!!!�
Dec 8, 2015
jeffro01 Interesting stuff... I hope the additions to auto park include pulling in forward AND backing in reverse...
Jeff�
Dec 8, 2015
R�B No I mean something like using the Ultrasonic sensors to determine how many people are approaching the car and from which doors and open only the appropriate doors automatically.�
Dec 8, 2015
msnow ^^ this. Also didn't Elon "promise" garage parking and summoning in 7.1?�
Dec 8, 2015
jgs I'm curious, what's the requirement for "driver mode"? Is it a personal safety thing or something? As you might guess, I couldn't care less whether all four of my handles extend or not.�
Dec 8, 2015
eclipxe Can't wait until we see screenshots of the new UI changes.�
Dec 8, 2015
msnow Probably but not on my "top 20" which starts with fixing nav.�
Dec 8, 2015
Cyclone It might cut back on moments like these depending on timing...
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Dec 8, 2015
spottyq It is personal safety. It is an old request from a few users.
Tesla (sometimes) listens to its user's request.�
Dec 8, 2015
brianman You don't mind if homeless people enter your car from the other side when you're travelling and have to make a stop somewhere?�
Dec 8, 2015
apacheguy I'm liking the sound of UI improvements. Any idea what those entail?�
Dec 8, 2015
Max* I try not to travel places where a homeless person would try to enter my car while I'm stopped.�
Dec 8, 2015
Kim.T I don't think there will be any UI improvements in the early beta. It sounds more like they are testing changes/restrictions to AP�
Dec 8, 2015
R�B Sources are already reporting UI changes such as trucks and motorcycles rendering on the IC.....�
Dec 8, 2015
jgs Exactly! If the environment is really that menacing, it's still menacing even with three out of four door handles retracted.�
Dec 8, 2015
Kim.T With UI changes I don't think of small truck and motorcycles appearing in the AP screen (this is related to AP). UI changes should relate the the GUI of the big screen, and further changes to the app's on the small screen.�
Dec 8, 2015
apacheguy Please let the UI improvements to extend beyond AP enabled cars. Tesla, don't forget about us classics, your loyal customers. There are several UI improvements we'd like to see.
Hope you're right.�
Dec 8, 2015
Cyberax So to recap: no real UI improvements (better toy cars do not count), more restrictions, and only trivial overall updates.
Fail. I'm staying on 7.0�
Dec 8, 2015
ecarfan At this point we know almost nothing about 7.1.
I suggest that your judgement is premature.�
Dec 8, 2015
cytranic I hope lane detection gets better, otherwise AutoSteer will be useless. There are times I'm driving on the hiway and its only detecting one lane marketing. Does that mean the car is going to slow to 45 on a 70MPH street?
I'm disappointed in the auto-steer changes. I feel like all of us are paying the price for one or two videos of some kids driving daddy's tesla.
I sure as heck would not have purchased it had I know it was going to be released full featured, and then Nerfed every update after.�
Dec 8, 2015
R�B I agree completely. I'm confident we'll get back better instanaeous power meters, time, date, temperature, odometer display improvements etc...�
Dec 8, 2015
msnow I'm pretty sure he's kidding. [emoji1]�
Dec 8, 2015
Cyberax Not really. I don't see any reason why I would want to upgrade.
If they add third-party application support, CarPlay/AndroidAuto integration and better navigation - then perhaps I will consider losing AP functionality. Not before.
I bought Tesla Model S specifically for its autopilot. For me it's THE defining feature of the car. And I don't think I'm alone.�
Dec 8, 2015
Max* You guys are funny. If Tesla deems it necessary to push limitations on AP, your car will have limitations on AP whether or not you consent to an upgrade. Look at what happened in HK.�
Dec 8, 2015
Cyclone If he isn't, I'd say the 7.1 Beta thread is turning into the same popcorn armchair driving/evaluating thread that the 7.0 Beta thread was!�
Dec 8, 2015
Cyberax Want a bet? There are already noises about time-based nag and we've SEEN screenshots with that stupid 45 mph limitation.
And if the software is planned for January release then it's probably way into the QA stage and is unlikely to be changed.�
Dec 8, 2015
LetsGoFast People have claimed that the current software has a time-based nag. I don't believe them either.�
Dec 8, 2015
ecarfan As you now know, he wasn't kidding.�
Dec 8, 2015
liuping Why would you not believe them? It is easy to replicate, just drive to 10-15 minute without touching the wheel at all, not even briefly. It will eventually pop up a message saying you need to hold the wheel. You can just touch it lightly, or rest one finger on it, to get rid of the message.
I did not see it for a long time, since I rarely drive that long without at least touching the wheel once, but it is there.�
Dec 8, 2015
cytranic I drove 2 1/2 hours last weekend without touching the wheel one time... No really, not once.
With that said, I hate nags. I'm wrapping my car in tin foil and disabling wifi. I'll have a classic Tesla on Autopilot 1.0 that can drive anywhere.�
Dec 8, 2015
Max* So is it 10 minutes or 15minutes or 12minutes or are you claiming a psuedo-random time based nag to avoid members of TMC from flipping out?
I've driven longer than that without touching the wheel, no nag. Didn't wk057 or someone here post a video of themselves driving for 45minutes with no nag? I don't think the current software has a nag, and until someone makes a video and shows that it's repeatable (not some random "hold me" message when the car needs moral support, especially on turns. straight road, timed, every X minutes the car demands to be held), I will not believe there is a nag.�
Dec 8, 2015
brianman I think that name is taken. You'll need to come up with a new one.�
Dec 8, 2015
liuping It's possible that a bumpy enough road could cause false positives for touch.�
Dec 8, 2015
mspohr If you travel to any city in the US, you'll see homeless people and they don't just hang out in the scruffy parts of town... try Union Square in San Francisco.�
Dec 8, 2015
Max* lol, I lived in NYC for almost 2 decades, and I've never had a homeless person try to enter my car while stopped. I've frequented DC often enough (though I live in the suburbs), and never had a homeless person try to enter my car while I'm stopped.
I've had short stays with rental cars on the west coast too, and I've never had a homeless person try to enter my car while I'm stopped.
See the key phrase in the above 3 cases "try to enter my car while I'm stopped". Homeless people hanging out on the street is VERY different than a homeless person trying to enter my car while I'm stopped.�
Dec 8, 2015
msnow [emoji1] I hereby declare 8.0 a fail.�
Dec 8, 2015
Max* Seriously?
The steering wheel (column?) senses the torque you apply. It doesn't care if you "touch it", it cares that there's torque.�
Dec 8, 2015
msnow Okay now you're really kidding...�
Dec 8, 2015
liuping I don't claim to know the exact values or time ranges used. I can only tell you what I observe in my Model S. I don't drive with a stop watch timing things, nor do a care that much exactly how long it takes to get the message. I do know that it does appear on my Model S, and I don't have any of the recent 7.0 variants (I just got the first 7.0 update)
There are many variable that can come into play. It could be dependent on road surface (lots of bumps could cause the steering wheel to vibrate enough to trigger the sensor), it could be it's only on newer VIN cars with more sensitive steering wheel, it could be specific software revisions, it could be any number of things or a combination of things.�
Dec 8, 2015
Cyberax The current software nags you when it senses that conditions are not optimal. It happens often enough on most roads. But you can get multi-hour nag-free driving in perfect conditions.
I'm not against an occasional nag (say, every 10 minutes). But 10 seconds? No.
Also, I'm driving with hands on my lap, gently touching the wheel. So the sensor quite often misses that I actually _have_ hands on the wheel.�
Dec 8, 2015
mikeash I don't believe them because nobody can point to any evidence that the nag is time-based.
A time-based nag would occur at regular intervals. Every five minutes, say. Yet not one person saying such a thing exists has been able to give us the precise interval used, even though it would be trivial to do so by simply measuring the amount of time.
It's quite clear that what's happening is the car "nags" based on bad lane markings, poor visibility, or other trouble, but that this trouble isn't always evident to the driver. Some drivers see the car ask for a hand on the wheel, see nothing that would need it as far as they can tell, and then assume it must be time-based.
If anyone disagrees and thinks there really is a time-based nag, then grab a stopwatch (or a stopwatch app on your phone) and tell us what the interval is.�
Dec 8, 2015
Max* Like the car actually NOT having a nag?�
Dec 8, 2015
liuping I assumed it was torque at first, but it can be disabled by just lightly touching the side of the wheel, you don't have to grab it or resist the auto steering at all. It may be only sensing torque still, but it's very sensitive. and I would not be surprised if some steering wheels are giving false feedback.�
Dec 8, 2015
brianman To be fair, there could be a "large" nag -- like every 10 hours -- but no Model S driver will come across it (because even the most efficient among us are unlikely to drive for 10 hours with Autosteer on without stopping to charge).
There might be a time-based nag but -- using TMC posts as a guide -- if there is a time-based nag it's [a] at least 30 minutes and apparently not operational on some customers' cars.�
Dec 8, 2015
Max* Correct, you don't have to resist at all. You have to put your hand on it, and it can sense a chance in the toque it's feeding in vs. what it's getting back (I think Ingineer described it very well, including sensitivities, I'm not an expert, so if you have specific questions, search for his posts). If you had to resist autosteer, the "place hands on wheel" message would be pointless, as you'd be forced to resist, disable autosteer, re-enable it, etc.
If it was touch based, they'd need "touch" detectors (whatever that is) at every point on the steering wheel, how would the car know where you put your hands? Not everyone drives at 10-2 or 9-3 or etc.�
Dec 8, 2015
liuping Since I have seen the nag several times, and other people in the car with me have seen it as well (once it popped up while I was demoing Autopilot to some coworkers), at least for some Model S modes in the US, the Nag exists.
It is possible that it does not show up on some cars, but it does most definitely does on at least one car (mine). I cannot tell you about any other Model S out there.
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I don't think it's touch based, just that it is extremely sensitive (literally, a single finger resting gently on it is enough) and I would not be surprised if it occasionally had false positives.�
Dec 8, 2015
andrewket You realize the 45mph limitation isn't that the car will only go up to 45, but rather AP will only engage above 45. In other words, highway only. You can still go 70 mph.�
Dec 8, 2015
sillydriver Now that it's begun to nag during the last couple weeks, I've found a quick light tug and release with a two finger grip will satisfy it.�
Dec 8, 2015
andrewket It's not a time based nag. The car nags if it's confidence level drops beyond a certain point. I've gone 40+ miles without a nag, and other times half a mile. It depends on the road, the turning radius, sun glare, etc etc.�
Dec 8, 2015
R�B I find this approach useful to satisfy many nags. :wink:�
Dec 8, 2015
Max* (I assume we're still talking about a time-based nag, not just a regular nag), if so we'll have to agree to disagree without actual proof.
Statistically speaking the chances of one car having a time-based nag, on the original v7 firmware (i.e. this is not some new firmware that 1 person received), and the rest of TMC not having a time based nag is infinitesimally small.
The only argument that you could be made is that everyone has a time based nag, and everyone has extremely sensitive steering wheels so that the false positives counteract the time-based nag, and then Tesla fixed the steering wheel on your car and you can actually detect it. Then again Occam's razor.
While I find this hard to believe, I don't have any evidence to the contrary, so I guess you might be correct.�
Dec 8, 2015
_TTT_ Based on my experience, the time based nag works like this:
1) On roads with curves the car can detect whether or not your hands are on the wheel because of the torque they apply
2) On straight roads the car either cannot detect it or ignores it
3) When the car is looking for hand torque (such as on curvy roads or possibly other sub-optimal conditions), a timer is started and continues to count down while the car is in the mode of looking for torque. The timer pauses if you re-enter a clear road with no curves and continues when you hit curves again. When it expires, the nag pops up. At any point you can forcibly apply torque to the wheel and reset it. This reset works on straight road, curvy road, when the nag is on screen, or before it pops up.
I just did a long road trip and the time interval was very predictable through curves...I should have used a stopwatch to get some hard data
Anyhow, that's just my experience in my car...YMMV.�
Dec 8, 2015
liuping
I don't know the exact timing, but I know it is less than 30 minutes, because I've seen it on my commute to work, which has less than 20 minutes of Freeway driving.
Since most of the time a gently rest on hand on the wheel, it does not occur at all. I'll try to go totally hands free for the next few days for the whole freeway commute and see if I can get a more precise time.
For all I know the car has different nag times based on locations and freeway conditions, or it is learning and changing all the time...�
Dec 8, 2015
Max* Look for a precise location too, please. I can believe there is a LOCATION based nag, but not a TIME based nag.
There are several sharpish curves where AP will always ask me to hold the wheel (always = the few times I've went there, so maybe not always for everyone).�
Dec 8, 2015
brianman I think there is a conflict in terminology, not a difference in vehicle experience here.
I think most people disagreeing with you are speaking of a "time-based nag" as "in clear conditions, is there a timer (that is less than 30 minutes)?" Those disagreeing with you say "no" to that.�
Dec 8, 2015
dsm363 It's possible the nag is based on a confidence level. If the car becomes less confident about what it is seeing but still believes things to be safe it checks to make sure you are ready to take over.�
Dec 8, 2015
sillydriver I haven't realized that yet. A quote from a post on the 7.0 thread is:
"On surface streets AP restricts the speed to 45mph (in limited testing. I drove about 3 miles to test)"
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Dec 8, 2015
Evee No time based nag. However if you ignore the hold nag for whatever reason it pops up the car CAN nag you until you actually touch the wheel.�
Dec 8, 2015
Max* That's one way to describe a time-based nag.... though most people would disagree that the situation (especially what I bolded) is a time-based nag. That's more of a location/situation based nag, which I agree 100% the Tesla has.
A good way for you to test it:
1. Hit small curve (your timer starts, let's assume the curve takes 2 seconds), drive straight 10 miles, hit larger curve (your timer continues). Let's assume that the nag pops up 3 seconds into the larger curve
2. Redo #1, starting from the drive straight 10 miles, hit larger curve (your timer starts, not continues). If the nag pops up 3 seconds into the larger curve, it's not time based. If the nag pops up 5 seconds into the curve, then your idea of how it works is correct.
I don't think it works like this, I think the nag will go off in the exact same location on the curve (assuming all other variables being roughly equal, and this can be taken into account by enough data points).
(yada yada, repeat experiment multiple times until a statistically significant data size is collected)
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Can? I've never seen the nag go away on it's own, unless you touch the wheel.
I forget the sequence of events, but it's something like
Nag on IC
Nag on IC and chime
Nag on IC and continuous chime while car slows down
Once the nag on IC shows up, the only way to get rid of it is to apply torque to the wheel.�
Dec 8, 2015
liuping I did not know there were 3 levels of nag: Take the wheel now, put you hands on the wheel due to AP confidence, and time based nagging.
The one I see that I tough was time based is fairly subtle with no sense of urgency, so I did not think it was from a lack of confidence. I'll check the color of the lane marking lines next time to see if they are blue, grey or missing. Last time I saw it, I was diving North, going straight, but I did not note the lane visibility.�
Dec 8, 2015
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Dec 8, 2015
Cyberax No. It's not what we see from the leaked screenshots. 45 mph appears to be the upper limit.�
Dec 8, 2015
Max* It's hard to tell from the two leaked screenshots, though I think you are correct.
The other way to interpret the screenshots, AP slows at some curves and on some roads TODAY on v7, maybe the screenshots shows the indicator that will display when AP slows instead of the driving thinking "WTF is going on?".
The screenshots (unless I missed something) don't tell you "hey, you can't use AP here at all, I'm about to turn off" they just say "AP restricted, car is slowing". Slowing could be going form 55mph to 45mph during the turn, and then back to 55mph after the turn is done.�
Dec 8, 2015
Cyberax Screenshots show a straight stretch of the road, so it's also unlikely.�
Dec 8, 2015
Max* I gotcha, I think I only saw the curved 3 lane road.�
Dec 8, 2015
andrewket Hmm, ok, perhaps I'm wrong. Time will tell. Making it above 45 only made sense to me as it implies highway driving, which is what the current system is designed for.
My record thus far is around 40 miles without touching the wheel. NJ turnpike. This included some shallow curves. Tighter curves is what usually triggers the nag.�
Dec 8, 2015
Cyberax Even limiting minimum speed to 45mph is bad. I'm using AP in bumper-to-bumper traffic all the time.�
Dec 8, 2015
brianman For such a limiter, I believe the theory is that setting the limit higher (60mph rather than 45mph) doesn't really impact TACC when you're actually in bumper-to-bumper and, as such, would be the way to enable Autosteer in such cases.�
Dec 8, 2015
DougH And where would that be nowadays?�
Dec 8, 2015
FredLambert Author of the article here. Just thought I'll let you know that I updated the article with an important bit of info I inadvertently left out at first:
"Update: v7.1 beta also includes a new feature to open your garage door automatically via HomeLink, which could be a precursor to summoning the car/Autopark from outside the vehicle feature."�
Dec 8, 2015
_TTT_ Awesome�
Dec 8, 2015
Cyclone Let's home that is individually configurable. In my S I have "Home - Nose In" and "Home - Back In" for my two garage doors (one two-car garage with each bay having its own door opener and a center between them). 99% of the time I back in, so I would want that one to auto-open and not the other bay.�
Dec 8, 2015
Max* can't.tell.if.serious�
Dec 8, 2015
Cyberax Unlikely. Autonomous summoning is just a nightmare waiting to happen. Tesla doesn't have sensors to see what's immediately beside the car. Imagine the outcry if Tesla rides over Fluffy or Fido peacefully sleeping on a driveway.�
Dec 8, 2015
Andyw2100 With respect to the discussion of the driver's door handle only presenting, and homeless people, etc., I just want to add the following. I recall this issue being discussed quite some time ago, and one of the reasons some people wanted this feature was so that they or their spouses would feel safer when approaching their cars in parking lots. The idea that someone could easily get in one of the doors on the passenger side was a concern. I think this new option will be useful to some people, and people who don't want it won't use it. But at least Tesla listened to its customers. We should be appreciative of that fact and encourage that behavior in the future.�
Dec 8, 2015
brianman Indeed. Andy said it better than my homeless passenger example.�
Dec 8, 2015
mspohr This was one of the first things my daughter mentioned (she lives in San Francisco). She wanted only the driver door to unlock upon approach to prevent someone from jumping into the car from the other side.�
Dec 8, 2015
pdxgibby This.
Driving in bumper to bumper traffic with autopilot engaged is one of the best uses of this feature.�
Dec 8, 2015
Johan America: culture of fear.�
Dec 8, 2015
MsElectric Live here and you will understand
When I unlock my car I prefer it only unlock the driver's side door. It's about having choices as in you can unlock the other doors if you want to.�
Dec 8, 2015
R�B Thanks for the update Fred (updated the OP). I keep forgetting that you're the author from Electrek. I'm going to be bugging you more now...�
Dec 8, 2015
brianman + 1�
Dec 8, 2015
andrewket That's great, as long as Tesla fixes the bug that causes the door to only open or close 50% of the time. I frequently have to transmit multiple times to get the opener to act. And via testing, it's the car, not the opener.�
Dec 8, 2015
brianman Please make sure Tesla gets this feedback directly. In 2012-2013, I had issues like this but in 2014 and 2015 it hasn't been a problem so I figured they fixed the issue.�
Dec 8, 2015
dirkhh As long as it is a CHOICE I'm cool with it. I'd hate to have the car not unlock all doors by default so that my whole family can get in when we walk up.�
Dec 8, 2015
davidc18 +1
To this�
Dec 8, 2015
Discoducky Its almost like it was designed for this specific purpose�
Dec 8, 2015
msnow So you're upgrading? I'm shocked but happy. [emoji1]�
Dec 8, 2015
liuping On all my other cars, pressing the unlock button once unlocks the driver door, and twice unlocks all the doors.
I've never had a car that by default unlocks all the doors. I thought it was really strange that Tesla did that, and it took so long to get an option to not to.
I think the main issue is that you need to double tap to unlock already, and triple tapping is awkward. Most cars have separate lock and unlock buttons on the fob, with the unlock smaller and less easy to accidentally press. Tesla tried to be clever using just one bottom for lock and unlock, but it made it more complexity in the end, instead of simpler.�
Dec 8, 2015
dirkhh In many countries outside the US most cars unlock all doors. Certainly in Germany but I had the same experience in France and Italy. Many of the German car makers (definitely BMW & Mercedes) still allow you to switch your car into that mode.
I've had a single car in my life that did the "only unlock the driver door" thing - that was a VW Golf. Oh, and I guess my wife's cars do that, too. But my cars have always opened all the doors and I'd hate to lose that.
Nonononono! I don't do a THING to unlock the car. That's the beauty of the Tesla. It's the first thing I fell in love with. You walk up, the car extends the door handles and opens. Brilliant.
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I said no such thing. I was much more saying this as "whatever, as long as it's a choice I don't care."
I guess I could have phrased this as "if this is the new default then 7.1 won't make it on my car, either".�
Dec 8, 2015
Lex And snarls on city streets are NOT excluded from this in my book -- losing this capability on any street is strongly not welcomed by this owner. I know I am always responsible and driving always. Didn't I already effectively sign a waiver ?
lol I now can't get out of my head this possible critter carnage. This one is certainly the height of gimmick, not necessarily a bad thing and though I'm sure there are folks for whom this would be a grief saver, I'm sure most would prefer focus elsewhere at this point. But we do seem to ride a wave of gimmicks on this ride, don't we :wink:
I basically have to tug at my wheel to register a nag. But I am not against a timed nag, eg. 20 mins ? In case I die.
I simply don't "micro adjust" when steering (ever since the slappy loose Caravelle days lol). In fact I've paid attention and typically apply a gentle steering adjustment only every 3 seconds or so. And I finesse the steering wheel when I steer. So the torque sensors or whatever are in this system don't seem to be able to "see" me holding the wheel at all. I have to deliberately tug.
And finally on the 1 handle option, it was one of my first questions when I picked up the car and I'm happy to have this "feature" (a basic item for cars in Canada) available now, not only for safety but -- and I'm surprised nobody's mentioned it yet -- for the durability of these fancy motorized handles (that some have suggested are "time bombs" waiting for broken wires or contacts due to the way they're designed).
Ok so it doesn't address the main idea of enhanced security but if it works it would make a neat gimmick, as a settable option :biggrin:�
Dec 8, 2015
msnow Well, since we are being imaginative and using sensors, how about using the cameras to do face recognition.�
Dec 8, 2015
Discoducky I knew you didn't mean it, but was hoping otherwise...maybe v7.1 will have an effect.�
Dec 8, 2015
msnow He's drooling over Driver Mode, he will come over to the dark side soon.�
Dec 8, 2015
jgs KReally? I live here and I don't understand. That's okay, I don't have to, I'm glad people are getting what they want.�
Dec 8, 2015
Discoducky My thought is that it is less wear and tear on the other handles that I hopefully won't have to replace as soon�
Dec 8, 2015
Andyw2100 I should have stressed this more in my original post.
What I meant that we should be most appreciative of is Tesla listening, and providing two different options, allowing us to choose the option that works better for us. Any extra option that makes more people happy, without taking anything away from users who don't want anything to change, is a plus.
Whenever possible, Tesla should try to make changes this way--by providing additional options and additional settings--as opposed to making changes that they believe will make a majority of people happy, but that may make some other group unhappy because it took something away.
Choice is good!�
Dec 8, 2015
S4WRXTTCS This exactly mirrors my own experience. Although I'm not sure if during a corner it's the degree of the corner, or some timing issue. At any rate given enough of a corner it will ask you to put your hands on the wheel.
On straight roads it only seems to nag if it really needs you to take the wheel.
In V7 I'm completely happy with how it works, and it has never caused me any issues. I don't believe Tesla can even implement a time nagged since the steering wheel (on straight roads) simply can't detect your hand unless you provide torque. It doesn't use a touch sensor. It requires actual movement in either direction. If you taped two coke cans (of equal weight) on either end of the steering wheel it would not detect them.
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There seems to be a lot of confusion about this because people aren't reading the linked article that was posted by the OP of this thread.
"At the time, Musk didn�t specify what the new constraints could be, but today we learn through reports from Model S owners that Tesla now restricts the auto-steering feature of the Autopilot to 45 mph (72 km/h) on roads other than highways."
That to me says on roads that are not highways/freeways the speed is limited to 45MPH.
It does not impact highways/freeways at all, and that remains completely unchanged.
Am I missing something? Because it seems really reasonable to me.�
Dec 8, 2015
green1 user manual, page 71:
This is followed by a picture of the "hold steering wheel" message.
Not a timed nag. This is because the AP can't see around corners very well and wants to ensure that you are doing so.
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Yes, you are missing that there is no possible way for the car to currently know if it is on a highway/freeway. It can't do it by speed limit because it constantly gets those wrong. It can't do it by nav mapping, because that's notoriously awful. It can't do it by lane markings because AP has to work with only one line sometimes anyway, so that's the same as many of the other roads.
If the car can't tell if I'm on a highway reliably, how is it going to know when to restrict me without frequently restricting me when I'm on a highway/freeway?�
Dec 8, 2015
Cyberax And that does NOT seem reasonable to me. I'm using Tesla AP all the time on two-lane roads with 55-65mph speed limits.
Oh, and Tesla's road sign recognition is also awfully bad in Oregon.�
Dec 8, 2015
lennier When Tesla explicitly state that current beta Autopilot is intended for use on divided highways only then it seems perfectly reasonable to me that they restrict its use on roads that don't meet that criteria. People may not like it, but it can hardly be called unreasonable.�
Dec 8, 2015
Cyberax I fail to see where it's said that it's required to be used on the divided roads only.�
Dec 8, 2015
MarkS22 So, will 7.1 require the eight-camera Autopilot 2.0 Hardware coming out in the next two weeks? :wink:�
Dec 8, 2015
eclipxe 4 weeks man, 4 weeks ;-)�
Dec 8, 2015
S4WRXTTCS No it works perfect.
It see's the sign that says 65, but it realizes its in Oregon. So it just fudges a bit to better match Oregon drivers. So that's why 65=85 in Oregon.
What does work better in Oregon (at least on I5 in sections) is the autopilot doesn't dive for the exits because Oregon has dashed lines giving it lines to follow. And not just empty space on the right.�
Dec 8, 2015
brianman I saw a few of the opposite (seeing 80/85 as 60/65) on a trip through WA, OR, ID, UT, AR, NV.
Also, if you have "speed limit XX; truck limit YY" followed by "truck limit ZZ" often AP would show XX as the speed limit and then ZZ. (The ZZ is wrong.)�
Dec 8, 2015
dirkhh Having now had a chance to review the release notes for 7.1 - nope, don't expect it to have an effect.
Err, wait, let me rephrase that. Having had a few too many beers with another TMC member (or was it one glass of sparkling wine? I forget) and then hitting my head repeatedly on something I had a weird vision of PDF files and what I could see in those files, err, I mean in that vision, didn't impress me one bit. They are once again taking away something that I use all the time. But I digress.
Where was I?�
Dec 9, 2015
LetsGoFast Clearly people want this feature, so I'm glad they are getting it. I do think it solves a completely imaginary problem.�
Dec 9, 2015
WillinVA I have seen it a couple ways now, so is AP being restricted to only highway driving? Like a glorified cruise control? Or is it just being restricted on certain roads to a max of 45mph?
I just ordered the car - gets delivered in a week - and a major reason I got the car was because of AP. I want to be able to use it in stop and go traffic. That is a key feature and I specifically asked the dealer about AP being taken away via software upgrades when I test drove the car. I was reassured that it would not happen. I feel like this would be a bait and switch if it is restricted to highway driving only.�
Dec 9, 2015
stevezzzz And then there are the signs that read "min speed NN", which also confuse the system.�
Dec 9, 2015
kirkbauer Which feature are we talking about, the driver-only door handle feature?
It is an obvious security concern in any country for all doors to unlock, and arguably even more so when the handle slides out to show that it is unlocked. An attacker of some sort can hide on the passenger side of the vehicle where you don't see them. You unlock the doors and as you are getting in they also get in and carjack you (or rob, rape, or murder you). I believe it was an easy tactic back when cars had power locks that always opened all doors.
Every country has crime so even if you think you live in a safer country it can still happen.�
Dec 9, 2015
Soolim Interim measure is to disable auto-present handle. Enhance feature will be selectable auto-present handle.�
Dec 9, 2015
yobigd20 they have always been clear on day 1 and in manual and in their many many public statements that autopilot is for highway only, not for residential roads. so there is no bait and switch here. it should never have been allowed to use on local or residential roads in the first place.�
Dec 9, 2015
Max* Not entirely true. EM said it would work on clearly marked [non-highways]. (I forget the term he used, city streets maybe?).
But I agree that the main intent was always highways.�
Dec 9, 2015
Mike Strauss I'm excited for the new update, especially the updated parking features. I hope they keep their january release date. i guess we'll have to wait until the update comes out to see if it affects the stock. most investors seem to be excited https://www.tipranks.com/stocks/tsla�
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