Thứ Tư, 4 tháng 1, 2017

To Elon Musk RE: My Former Model X part 2

  • Aug 27, 2016
    TaoJones
    Very well said. So many differentiating and best in class features.

    During long trips the car could be powered by gerbils and I wouldn't care. Well, except for the mess and that whole getting out of Gere thing.
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    TheQ

    I am an auto and tech enthusiast..... That's the draw to the Model X for me. I love the latest and greatest.
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    TheQ

    Really many here have said just the opposite.... They have many paint issues and just deal with it because it's the EV dream car.
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    3Victoria
    Most of us prioritize features and then choose our cars on how those priorities are executed. If paint quality swamps out your other priorities, then so be it. Just go somewhere else for your cars.
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    mkjayakumar
    auto enthusiast? tech enthusiast? really?

    You neither seemed to interested in the 'auto' part of it (EV drive train with smooth, silkly acceleration, performance, self-driving) nor the 'technology' part of it (over the air updates, iPad like interface, cooling and heating remotely, never have to go to a gas station, fastest charging as of today).

    But instead chose to focus on one thing - paint - which in some sense, is neither auto nor technology. As if that is the be all and end all of automobile innovation.

    This is beyond funny, guys.
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    mkjayakumar
    As another poster here said it, quite aptly: A fool and his money are soon parted.

    :)
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    TexasEV
    Serious question-- if EV and driver assistance is meaningless to you, what about the Model X made it worth $112,000 to you? That's so much more than luxury ICE SUVs would cost.
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    TheQ
    Tech, speed, drive ability, and cool factor....plus I am/ was a huge Elon fan.


    I thought it was just a fade till I took a ride in a P85d and loved the way it drove and accelerated.
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    trils0n
    My Model S (and it is an early 2013) had perfect paint upon delivery (now it has 57k miles worth of wear and tear...). Best of any car I've owned. Perfect, glass-like. Last BMW had small amount of nearly invisible orange peel on rear quarter panel. Car before that had other minor issues. Was thrilled when I saw my car at the factory and it had the best paint of any car I'd owned. Never felt like I had to sacrifice paint quality for a Tesla, but I guess others see it differently. Quite disappointing to see paint issues, and 3x in a row seems like the most terrible luck ever.
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    anticitizen13.7
    Paint quality and appearance is something that is important to people, and I don't think it helps to minimize that.

    Remember that many Apple fans were up in arms about the chipping anodization on the black iPhone 5 (Google for "scuffgate" for the gory details), and more recently, Apple has taken a lot of criticism for exterior corrosion on the iPhone 6s, which appears to be another anodization problem.
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    TheQ

    See this is the right response, thank you. And I have also seen many Teslas with perfect paint why should I have to accept less?
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    mkjayakumar
    You shouldn't. But do you apply the same standards to other manufacturers and demand the best performance and technology? Or do you stop with paint quality?

    The issue here is not your obsession to perfection to paint. But your ridiculing and trivializing all things EV.

    The gas gaints honestly they have nothing going on in their cars. It's the same old same old piece of junk. So they try to differentiate in cosmetic things like paint and expensive leather and chrome and wood and stuff. And the unfortunate thing is there are still people who get enamored by those things and fail to demand disruptive advances in driving comfort.
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    TheQ
    I do demand the same things from all my high end purchases. That's why I have only purchased Japenesse and German cars. I do think it's unfair to say that unless a car has an electric motor that's there is nothing special about it. My R8 is a supercar marvel with a custom twin turbo system over 900hp that has amazing custom craftsmanship. My GL450 drives awesome for an SUV and can go 600 miles on one tank of gas and has great power. Drove 1100 miles the other day in 14 hours, no tesla can do that. Both cars have amazing interiors with great and detailed craftsmen ship. Tesla could certainly learn things from these cars.
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    Canuck
    I hate to break the news to you but I highly doubt Elon Musk reads the threads here.

    That's a strange reply from someone who said:

    If you liked the reply that "3x in a row seems like the most terrible luck ever", and you have "also seen many Teslas with perfect paint" then what are the odds of this happening again? It seems like a one off to me. Why should I be selling my shares over this?
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    TheQ
    You should take notice because QUALITY CONTROL obviously sucks! And in the long run and at much bigger scale problems will kill your/Teslas profits.
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    ohmman
    Wait a second. The Q in the Arboretum closed over a decade ago! Aren't you 24 Hour Fitness now? ;)
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    Canuck
    Oh, I see. It's of no concern to me. I'll hold onto my shares. I've read enough of your posts to conclude that you're one of those people who thrive on conflict, and who are best to avoid both in my personal and professional life. This post of yours especially made my eye's roll:

    Yes, no Tesla can go 1100 miles in 14 hours. Isn't that a little obvious? You're point is? Oh, it was just to take a nice little jab completely unrelated to your paint problems. It didn't hurt. I enjoy Supercharger stops much better than gas stations for the times I travel. And no gas stations or Superchargers for the majority of time when I'm home.

    And there's nothing special about an electric motor? You sure lost me there.

    I wish you all the best with your ICE vehicles from the German and Japanese.
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    EinSV
    Seems like a bad marriage. IMO would be best for both parties for you and Tesla to get a divorce.
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    electricity
    Everytime someone mentions stock or company shares on a post I take everything with huge grain of salt.
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    thegruf
    what?

    an average speed in excewss of 78mph maintained over 14 hours including break(s)

    My credibilty alarm been jangling for a while with this thread, and just went off big time

    unsubscribed
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    TheQ
    Speed limit in Texas, New Mexico, and Colorado is 75 Miles per hour... give me a break, very do able. I do 85-90 no problemo, even faster in super rural spots.
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    anticitizen13.7
    TheQ, it's regrettable that you didn't have a good experience with your Tesla, but I think it may help to read Norge's perspective again:

    Getting the panel alignment and gaps correct is something Tesla definitely should work on, but this sort of thing takes years of institutional tuning and knowledge building. I note that Model S build quality in 2016 is far better than it was in 2012-2013, and I expect that Model X quality will continue to improve as Tesla makes iterative changes to the production process.

    I understand that not every product is going to make everyone happy. I see it all the time in Apple forums. People have very high expectations for Apple build quality, and even in 2016 a large number of people exchange their iPhones because of various tiny defects in the exterior, abnormalities in the color output of a particular LCD panel, or buttons that rattle, or a fleck of dust beneath a camera cover.

    If the Model X just didn't work for you, there's no harm in just walking away. At a certain point, continuing to harp on this just isn't productive, and that applies to other products too.
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    TheQ
    I agree with this. Only defending my position from the Fanboys (who seem to be part of the problem not the solution) and sharing my experiences. Tesla will never be a great car company if it cant get these things right. Apple on the hand strives to make these things right, and that's the point and why I use an iPhone everyday and upgrade every year. They are also a very profitable company, something Tesla is not, in fact its far from it.

    I have said that when Tesla focuses on Quality Control and making the Model X a product with quality fit and finish to match the high price tag I am happy to take another look.......
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    Dwdnjck
    Congatulations! You have, probably made the list. Well Done! I am so happy for you.
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    jelloslug
    I can tell you with 100% certainty that BMW does NOT take "special care" when transporting their vehicles from the factory. I live a few miles from a BMW factory and I see uncovered, unwrapped X5s and X6s being moved all over the place.
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    Canuck
    Right. Tesla should be profitable now regardless of investing all that money into the battery factory... It would have been a better business plan to focus on smaller short term profits, not larger long term profits... :rolleyes:

    Right. It's all a straight line. No slowing down for corners, no stopping for gas, just doing over 78 mph on average the entire way... :rolleyes:

    Stick and stones. Some of who you call "fanboys" (which I'm certain includes me) have criticized Tesla on more than just the issue of paint and QC. But never let the facts get in the way of a good ad hominem attack. It is about the lowest form of argument.

    TheQ doesn't give up. I'm certain he will find a way for you to be wrong about this. Have you had your eyesight checked lately?
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    anticitizen13.7
    Well, "fanboys" is a derogatory term, so don't be surprised at the hostile reception you're getting from some people here! Many longtime Tesla customers are willing to put up with some level of compromise in the vehicle because they believe in the technology and/or value the driving experience of the powerful electric motors more than issues with panel alignment. It is a tradeoff.

    Myself and many others though have acknowledged that Tesla's quality will have to improve as the brand goes mainstream. The company's goal has been to make a great car that happens to be an EV, not just make a car that people will want to buy for the sole reason that it is an EV. The real test of this will be Model 3 and the much broader consumer segment that it is intended to address.


    Keep in mind that Tesla is not profitable on paper because it spends and enormous sum of money on capital expansion (Gigafactory for batteries, new paint shop, new tooling, new production lines, R&D), while Apple has been around since the 1970's. Building cars is obviously a lot more complicated than building computers. Tesla's losses are almost entirely due to expansion costs.
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    Skotty
    It's my understanding that Tesla has put a lot of money and effort into their paint booths and systems. It seems at least comparable to what other automakers are using. If you think the paint still isn't up to the quality of other manufacturers, that is unfortunate, but it's not like they aren't trying. You may have to just pick a different color or an entirely different brand of car to be satisfied.
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    PtG62901
    If I was the OP, I would be walking the lot, and looking at paint jobs, and taking a car for sale on the lot that passes my standards. Maybe asking for a cut price today, to buy some good will. I guess there aren't many MX on the lots yet, my idea would work better with an S today? So maybe in a few months, the OP should go pick a car in stock. It seems like the waiting for a car that doesn't pass his test is the frustrating part.

    BTW, if you can afford a loaded Tesla, you should be putting $20k or $30k of solar panels on your house.
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    jelloslug
    The most funny part of that is that you will see a small fleet of uncovered car haulers sitting in the parking lot of Walmart.
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    TheQ

    I may do this down the road a bit when I feel less abused. It's good advice.

    I did offer to get an alternative color because when I looked at other cars the only cars i saw that had issues are the Pearl White, they said we want to get it right and get you the car you wanted. Problem is they cant get it right. I was patient and flexible, but I am not going to accept a car with defects when others do not have issues and I don't want a car painted by a third party.

    I have a solar pool heating system on my roof.... No more room :(
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    Canuck
    What about those of us who get most of our power from clean renewable sources like hydro?

    Solar panels take a lot of fossil fuels to make, transport, get installed on our roofs, etc. I'd like to go solar but I'm not sure it's the best thing environmentally given the fact that the power that flows into my meter comes primarily from river water.
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    Krugerrand
    It must have been hard not to be derogatory for 7 pages.
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    napabill
    Hey guys, I'm leaving the country for a few weeks and would surely appreciate it if the thread dies before I return. What a bunch of poppy cock (whatever that is).
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    PtG62901
    It is a two edged sword, you get clean energy, yet every environmentalist would die before allowing the dams to go in again. The damage to the environment from those dams, rips through the entire ecosystem in that area. Do you think the hydro dams will cause more damage, or solar? It isn't so easy to tell. Your argument is like comparing a 40 year old coal plant to green energy isn't it? But the coal is cheaper! I don't think this is a very good argument to make.

    I'm certain that solar cells are better then fossil fuels, in particular tar sands and fracking. Aren't you?
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    Canuck
    I don't see it the same way as you. The dams are in. The damage is done. There's no more damage being done by using the energy they produce. The same argument does not apply to the coal plant, tar sands or fracking. There's just no comparison. You don't see the difference?
    �
  • Aug 27, 2016
    PtG62901
    I know you are a good guy. Just having a debate. Your point is reasonable, and I lived in the PNW for a long time, I have seen it before. Now, here is what I think. Just trying to point out the hole in the argument.

    If you take the dams down, the wild fish come back, the ecosystem will quickly repair itself. The dams are still damaging everything around them, where do you think the wild salmon went? There is a trade off there, I think some dams should come down, but most should not. I accept your argument that most dams are for the common good. Your argument only works in that part of the world, and only if you can intellectually carve out that hydro power for yourself. Your neighbors are using power that isn't clean, but that is OK.

    Now let's extend the argument you made - The day after a solar system is built, I guess we can all say that it polluted to make this, but hey that is in the past. Now I can use it and feel superior to people who haven't installed one yet? Take natural gas out of the ground by fracking, hey it is done, no harm no foul, that is in the past? I guess if everyone had access to green energy, that wrecked the environment in the past, your argument has merit? Until then, it just kind of stinks IMHO.

    I have seen this kind of argument before, as you can tell, I think it is self serving. Unfortunately, we are all trapped here on this planet. You bought a Tesla, what do you think EM is spending his time doing? Building a cool car for you? I think he is trying to fundamentally save the world. I only ordered a MS after I read his Part 2 plan. Saving the planet and order a cool car, OK I'm in. :)

    Now, if you live in the NW, or SW Canada, maybe solar isn't great there? But, if you can afford a $100k car, you can afford a $25k solar electric system in most of the country, or a windmill in windy places. You will make money over time, you will be benefiting the environment, and slowing down global warming. No, it will not be 100% good, it will be a trade off like a hydro dam is. But, the stupidest thing we can do is to keep burning fossil fuels, we know the result from that.

    For half of the money the US spent invading Iraq ($3T), the US could have installed a $25k solar system on every home in the US. We can afford to do the right thing, we just choose not to.

    Best wishes to all, and consider spending some money on green energy generation.
    �
  • Aug 28, 2016
    outie
    I don't know why so many people are trying to argue with the OP about his OWN preference. He wants a MC pearl white car with perfect paint and obviously Tesla is not able to satisfy him (they tried). He's moving on. I don't see any issue with someone demanding perfect paint job on a 100k+ car. It's reasonable. They were painted by robots, not by hand like some expensive high end cars back in the days. Now, once it's off the lot and getting on the road it's going to be full of rock chips anyways but whatever.

    Yea my iPhone has good finishes and it's built with high standards. After a year of use all corners are scratched and dented from drops. However, it sure didn't have them when it was brand new out of the box.

    If you are more concerned about being able to drive an EV than caring about the paint / quality issue, that's also your choice. Please don't convince others to follow your choice in life. We are all different.
    �
  • Aug 28, 2016
    cwerdna
  • Aug 28, 2016
    NicoV
    Untill you're fed up with poisoning yourselves.
    �
  • Aug 28, 2016
    NicoV
    Every mile you drive also diminishes values. Are you obsessed as much with driving the minimum amount of miles to preserve value?
    �
  • Aug 28, 2016
    NikeWings
    While production numbers are easier to validate, reserves of all types, are less so. They are self reported and full of cited irregularities. As such, there are a multitude of sources which allow for almost any of the top 5 to land the number one spot depending on preferences.

    Here are a couple of links to support the OP.
    EIA Production numbers are more recent than you cited, There is also an interesting slide to track the ranking changes over a period of years. Technology has played a massive role in the last 5, driving much of the shifting. International - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)
    And for reserves, the EIA site allows for toggling from production, to reserves where the self reported numbers are listed. And this is one example of an attempted normalization of the self-reporting differences among countries. U.S. Has World�s Largest Oil Reserves | OilPrice.com.
    �
  • Aug 28, 2016
    3Victoria
    Much of the US reserves are in shale, ie expensive in $ and even more environmentally unfriendly.

    And the conclusion of that last report: 'Rystad concludes: �this data confirms that there is a relatively limited amount of recoverable oil left on the planet.� It goes on to caution that business-as-usual won�t work. �With the global car-park possibly doubling from 1 billion to 2 billion cars over the next 30 years, it becomes very clear that oil alone cannot satisfy the growing need for individual transport.� '
    �
  • Aug 28, 2016
    N5329K
    Behaving as though a finite resource is infinite never works out. Whether the resource is whale oil or shale oil. Fortunately, I don't think we'll need to run out of the stuff to learn the lesson, thanks to Tesla. Something better has come along to motivate vehicles, and the oil sector might worry more about the world leaving it behind.
    Robin
    �
  • Aug 28, 2016
    purplewalt
    I suggest you schedule some time and effort to take a tour of the Tesla factory @ Fremont.

    And observe all the continual care, sophisticated and highly technical testing and retesting of body panels for manufacturing, assembly,fit, tolerances, finish, etc.: the quality control is off the charts.
    Your words attempt to minimize and diminish the extensive efforts to ensure a premium product is being manufactured and delivered.
    So NO, until you take the four of the Fremont factory, you are uninformed and completely wrong when you say quality control sucks.
    If you have any ethics you will be embarrassed for the words you have written and the tactics you are trying to employ.


    I do not doubt that there might have been some issues with any of the three cars that were brought to Austin for you to take delivery.
    If you LIKE the car, then take it home and enjoy it.

    If you DON'T like the car because it does not meet all your criteria (including quality control), leave it at the Service Center, and get your deposit back.
    Simple enough.
    Go find something else in this big old world to complain and grouse about.
    �
  • Aug 28, 2016
    mkjayakumar
    Nothing unreasonable about that. Everyone has a right to get twisted about anything they think is important. If paint, is more important than driving dynamics and technology and EV experience then sure, there are plenty of gas cars that drives crappy but has excellent paint.

    What is unreasonable and OP is getting a lot of flak are these comments:

    If you want an eye-candy garage queen, that is perfectly allright. But with that kind of an attitude, why even bother with an EV and waste everyone's time?
    �
  • Aug 28, 2016
    TheQ
    A typical straw-man deflection argument, I came in here complaining about car issues and paint being the biggest and people start asking why do you care about paint when you have this awesome Tech EV state of the art machine.....I answer honestly, and then the FANBOYS like you cant wait to criticize my opinions and facts about oil vs EV to try to make it about something else.....its old, move on.

    People like me who are having issues with paint and other fit and finish (and there is a very long list of us and many articles about it out there) have a right to be upset when treated poorly by Tesla when dishing out over 100k for cars and waiting years to get them.
    �
  • Aug 28, 2016
    TheQ
    again this is just ignorance.....if QUALITY CONTROL was up to spec they would not have to order me 3 cars and there would not be 10's of articles out there about all the issues the Model X is having......again wake up, put down the Kool aid, and get real.

    The car is at the Service center and I am getting 113k back.
    �
  • Aug 28, 2016
    NikeWings
    Hi @3Victoria , this thread has veered off topic but I want to respond to your comments, particular since you took the time to read the article.

    There was a time when unconventional E&P along with the transportation challenges from such remote shale areas were quite costly. However, the last decade of R&D dollars delivered amazing technology these past 5 years that dramatically reduced E&P costs from shale while simulataneously improving recovery rates. You may be associating your statement with your local Canadian Tar Sands impact, which has not experienced the same improvements primarily because of weaker technology investment and greater bitumen content. Thus the downturn saw Canadian production drop moreso than the U.S., which actually saw growth in areas like the Permian Basin due to lower break even costs from horizontal drilling technologies. Environmental issues also improved dramatically but not perfect, nor ever will be. Just wanted to point out that shale in & of itself does not mean it's more costly and/or environmentally more harmful than non-shale production as you stated. For macro support, compare the past 10 years of US production where conventional production shifted to a majority of unconventional production, while the cost per Bbl dropped from $50-$70 to $20-$30 depending on locale.

    Good quote you selected! Yes indeed oil is limited. The concept of reserves does not imply unlimited resources, but the continued discovery of new unconventional reserves has inappropriately led many to speculate, believe, and espouse it. It's silly. Even the sun has a projected shelf life.

    I'm very happy to take an Oil E&P discussion off thread. Dislike me if you will, but I love the entire energy industry. I have been committed to the tech side of E&P as well as the tech side of Renewables for 20 years. Everyday I'm fortunate enough to work with big oil's efforts to balance tech efficiency and effectiveness, as well as big industry's advanced manufacturing of next gen wind turbines, utility scale solar technology, improved nuclear waste management and yes, even better battery technologies as chemicals such as many lithium variants are quite toxic. Our world continues to transform to a better place but it's not because we drive Teslas, grow our own food or capture our own sunpower etc. Almost every company on the planet has a vested hand in this, including the ones most often hated. Tracking their progress is as critical as reporting on the problem.
    �
  • Aug 28, 2016
    PtG62901
    I think I agree with you, we know delivery quality isn't very good from Tesla historically. It is understandable because of their level of innovation, but still high. They aren't Honda yet. They have made up for it by providing service, to make the problems go away. The problem you have is they can't fix a paint job by providing good service. It think ordering 3 cars for you is great service. I hope my issues receive such outstanding service going forward.

    We know things are way better then a couple of years ago, and will get better yet. I am very happy to have ordered a blue car, and not a white car at this point. lol

    I think the attacks got too personal, and it would have been better to have everyone take a deep and calming breath, and walk away. If I was the OP, I would stop reading this thread, stop the auto notices, and just ignore it. If you don't have anything new and constructive to say, just leave it alone.
    �
  • Aug 28, 2016
    ecarfan
    After reading that obviously false statement, and what you have said inother posts you have made in this thread, it seems likely to me that you are deliberately intending to create controversy and distorting reality to stir people up.

    I no longer give you the benefit of the doubt and now must approach everything you say with my mind open to the possibility that nothing you have said is true or accurate, including your original post about paint quality complaints. On the internet it is easy to make stuff up using photos sourced from anywhere.

    Go ahead and make some righteously indignant post. I really don't care. You have no credibility with me.
    �
  • Aug 28, 2016
    purplewalt
    Yes there is ignorance here.
    Just not on my part.

    Wake up and smell the coffee.
    No Kool aid in my cupboard BTW
    �
  • Aug 28, 2016
    TheQ
    NW in my ideal future US, all power would be HYDRO or fail safe Nuclear and all cars would be EV. Tesla would have perfect quality and fit/finish....... :)
    �
  • Aug 28, 2016
    Saghost
    Photos? The OP never gave us any photos at all, not even a set from the internet.

    It does seem interesting how many different secondary issues keep coming up, though.
    �
  • Aug 28, 2016
    ecarfan
    I went back again and looked through all 9 pages of this thread and you are right, no photos from the OP, my apologies.
    �
  • Aug 28, 2016
    mkjayakumar
    @KZKZ, my friend, what took you so long? I have been waiting for you and Drivin to troll away on this topic. I just realized out of the 84 dislikes I have received around 70 are from you and Drivin. I take that as a badge of honor.

    I noticed you missed a few. Will you go ahead and make it complete? please..?

    :)

    Untitled.png
    �
  • Aug 28, 2016
    thegruf
  • Aug 28, 2016
    Xminus6
    I don't understand. If the EV aspect is unimportant to a buyer, why would you ever buy a Tesla? I think we can all agree that the fit, finish and materials of a Tesla compared to a comparably-priced vehicle are not up to par. That's just out of pure necessity as batteries/motors cost more than engines and associated parts.

    The only reason I can imagine you'd want to buy a Tesla, specifically a Model X, if you don't care about the EV part of the car is to show off. The multiple cars you keep bringing up in your posts only reinforce that idea. I understand why you'd be frustrated about your experience and your paint issues and I wouldn't necessarily excuse them myself, but this thread is way past ridiculous by now. You don't want a Tesla, fine, move on and drive one of you other 25 cars.
    �
  • Aug 28, 2016
    mkjayakumar
    One thing we all can agree with OP (in his own words):

    "A fool and his money are parted".

    That reminds me of a corollary out of Murphy's law:

    A fool is like a someone on top of a mountain. Everyone looks small to him and so does he to everyone.

    -:)
    �
  • Aug 28, 2016
    Jbailey
    I'm not an engineer or paint specialist, and I haven't actually seen the paint job, but this sounds like an Axis 2 Cluster B paint problem.

    As I understand it, this is a fairly common problem that frustrates many well meaning paint and other service providers. Details can be found in the DSM-5 which if I remember correctly stands for Difficult Shade Matching, 5th edition.
    �
  • Aug 28, 2016
    roblab
    That's my thought exactly. Why is he posting here? What is he trying to say? If he doesn't like the car, don't buy it. No problem.

    And I have to say that my house and car are powered by solar on batteries. Sorry about that. And here on the Northern left coast, we have NatGas, Hydro, Geothermal, solar, wind, powering our grid (and who knows what else), but it's not coal until you get over into Nevada and beyond.
    �
  • Aug 28, 2016
    cranker2k
    I agree you should not give up.

    First of all, thanks for the hint for going through the inspection of the paint. I'm due to pickup my Pearl White X in the next two weeks and your experience will help me to focus on the bumper.

    If it just the bumper for each of the cars, then obviously it's just the automation issue or manual labor issue. I would post to Tesla Forum something like "Whoever programmed to paint or paints Pearl White on the bumper should be Fired!" If we love the cars and believe in the company, then the customers can make a difference to help company get better.
    �
  • Aug 31, 2016
    theBulgar82

    Not sure why I was quoted here and I don't have the time to read the entire thing... I will assign a person to do that for me and give me the summary. I love TESLA but their customer service is on level 0 (ZERO) right now. So as much as I like Elon Musk, I have decided to stay on planet Earth and help this place run well. He is going to Mars. Let's fix this mess first and get rid of oil before we go burn a bunch of it trying to get to Mars.
    �
  • Aug 31, 2016
    theBulgar82
    Should anyone have an issue with customer service with TESLA, sent me a private message and I will fix it. Not only that but I will let you have one of my Tesla cars for free and deliver it to you.
    �
  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    The world uses about 87mbpd (million barrels per day. 1 barrel = about 220 litres).
    The US uses about 20mbpd on average (more in summer and winter due to driving,heating oil).
    The US has been able to increase it's oil production to a new high of about 15mbpd by tapping "unconventional oil".
    "Conventional" oil peaked back in about 2010 in the World, about 1970ish in the US.The growth is coming completely from unconventional sources. Though unconventional won't last - and you should see the fall-off in the wells. Sometimes 30% after year 1. It's only keeping up due to massive drilling programs when oil was closer to $100.
    As congress said it's far easier to save a bit on fuel-economy than move the US to 15-17mbpd.
    There's a glut of oil but that's only because the middle east (Saudi's) are trying to kill of the American unconventional oil companies by flooding the market even when prices are low. It probably won't be long until the long-term downtrend catches up with world oil consumption again and oil shoots back to $100+.
    America should be filling up it's Strategic Petroleum Reserve at these prices.
    More from a waste and pollution point of view - cheap oil is very bad for the future of humanity - like 50,100+ years. Future society is going to look back at our wasteful lives and feel pretty angry. Agriculture, shipping, medicine, plastics, flying - for some things oil has few substitutes and one day there won't be sufficient to run everything.
    When oil went to $140 a barrel before you have people in the West complaining about the cost of fuel for their Hummer or equivalent. But in the Phillipines you have people who on a $5 wage can't buy oil to cook food for their children eating un-cooked meat, and in West Africa they couldn't afford oil to run their power stations to have even a simple standard of living.
    Anyway I like Tesla / Elon's vision - and his ability to push it into reality. Massive solar + Massive batteries + Electric transport. If he can make a true "solar-roof" and revolutionise the roofing industry through it (as he mentioned on the SolarCity call) then that'd be a big step to a more sustainable planet.
    I've got solar on my house. Since the panels were fitted 18 months ago. LG's best panels have gone from 285w to 340. Sunpower have 350w panels. SolarCity's tech will be about that too. You can't go much beyond that without getting into ridiculous costs - but at that density (250w/meter) you only need a reasonably big roof to run your car+house (dependent on insolar radiation in your area) - at least in Spring-Autumn!!
    Note I live in England and it was worth it to get solar installed as our "Feed-in-tariff" was going to be cut. It actually pays for itself in 6 years. It cost �5200 for 4kw. We have a guaranteed income for 20years from the government at 13.5p/kwh - about �500 per year + our own electric saving + free hot water (as it also runs our immersion).
    Some people will look to electric cars to be part of that future - and have an exciting car.
    Others will have 1st world problems of their "diamond earrings scratching their iphone", or go over their paint work with a microscope looking for issues and miss the bigger picture.
    �
  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    I'm with you here, I like what Tesla is doing.

    It sure looks like solar panel efficiencies are getting better, and will continue to get better. The researchers are seeing up to double the power per foot, of the current panels, in the lab. Technology marches on.
    �
  • 1/1/2015
    guest
    Why not get an agreement in writing to replace the bumper then go on with your life until the acceptable replacement appears at the service center?

    Where are the pics? And who are all these sociopaths buying white cars?
    �
    • Người đăng: vào lúc

    Không có nhận xét nào:

    Đăng nhận xét

    Đăng ký: Đăng Nhận xét (Atom)