Dec 30, 2013
neroden This falls in the category of things which are trivial to do, but tedious. Just disassemble the car and put it back together, no problem... Audio aftermarket shops do this often. Just huge labor costs.�
Dec 30, 2013
tdiggity
Easy stuff:
1. Get all required things: sensors, brains, etc.
2. Wire them in. Easier if you have a friend's car to reference.
Unknown stuff:
* Can you get the service center to enable parking sensors in the admin screen (press and hold the tesla T), or do you need some special variant of the software that we don't know about yet
We just need someone brave enough to try. Tapping into the CANbus system has been done on other car manufacturers (audi, bmw, porsche, mb), so there's nothing magical about that. But, getting the sensors activated and responding correctly is a big unknown. If BMWs can retrofit new nav systems into old cars, it can be done on Teslas, just a matter of time and getting someone to experiment with it. seems like this info is becoming more available, so i would be surprised if it took more than a year for someone to try.�
Dec 30, 2013
artsci I think the Tesla electronics, particularly those regarding the touch screen and instrument panel, are a lot more complicated that the usual auto stuff. WhiteP85 can attest to that from his efforts to develop a switch for the front camera idea. Nothing conventional worked. Of course a separate bumper sensor system is a piece of cake. But something integrated into the Tesla electronics is another story altogether.�
Dec 30, 2013
tdiggity But if the sensors are hooked into the car correctly, the software should just take over. If you bought all the oem sensors and associated boxes, hooked them together as if they came from the factory, then I assume that the firmware would take over as if it were installed from the factory. The looming question in my mind is can you flip a switch in the software (in the admin menu that I previously mentioned, it's been documented to be there) and have it just work, or is there some special sauce you need the service center to do (and will they do it).
Edit: I thought parking sensors was a 'thing' in the hidden admin menu, but it's not (according to this video): Tesla Model S Hidden Menus - YouTube. Still, I would think someone somewhere at tesla could flip the parking sensor switch to get that going.
Of course, this is all speculation.�
Dec 30, 2013
markb1 I might be willing to try, if I can get much better technical information about how to do it. (And assuming Tesla doesn't charge an arm and a leg for parts. I'm thinking $500 or less for parts, since that's what the option costs.)
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Possibly just old software. (Video is from May. I think that was before parking sensors.)�
Dec 30, 2013
artsci IMHO there's no way it would be that easy. Not.�
Dec 30, 2013
EarlyAdopter As soon as I can buy the sensors, wiring harness, and any additional stuff needed (control module?) from Tesla, I'll be happy to have a local aftermarket shop install them and be the guinnea pig for this. I'm sure with enough friendly pestering I can get my service center to flip the bit in the service menu.
Again, it's the integration with the dash display I want from this, so other after market options are uninteresting to me.�
Dec 30, 2013
Panacea ^^^ + 1.�
Jan 1, 2014
ken830 One thing that I haven't heard mentioned (and this would be the absolute best scenario) -- What if the newer firmware automatically enables the parking sensor display when the factory sensors are properly connected and detected?�
Jan 1, 2014
tdiggity That's what I said above. It could happen, but worst case you need tesla to flip the bit to make the system aware. Most other canbus cars aren't programmed to auto sense equipment, they need to be activated at the dealer.�
Jan 1, 2014
AmpedRealtor I highly doubt that those components would be "plug and play" at the assembly level.�
Jan 3, 2014
aaronw I was under the impression that parking sensors would not be all that expensive to add later. It was implied at Teslive that the wiring was in place and it was simply a matter of installing the sensors. I was disappointed to learn otherwise.�
Jan 3, 2014
mdh I have sent a few emails to TM ownership asking the to find a solution for the early owners over the last several months... I hope they don't forget about us.�
Jan 3, 2014
artsci
Hate to dash any hopes but it's a certainty that wiring is not in place on the cars built prior June 2013.�
Jan 13, 2014
nastynate510 was at the Fremont center getting my rotors replaced. there was a car getting a sensor retrofit done for $5800.�
Jan 13, 2014
brianstorms So if one's car was manufactured in August 2013, the wiring harness is prolly in place, right?
Would it cost me $5800 to get a retrofit?�
Jan 13, 2014
mdh I have called TM a few times... they won't offer this to me... must be a special case.�
Jan 13, 2014
pgiralt mdh, did you talk to your local service center? I mentioned it in passing one time while I was at my local service center and the general consensus was they would just have to order all the parts and then charge for parts and labor. No way I'd pay that much to get it done, but I think if you're willing, they'll do it for you. Also, I imagine you'd be left with a front and rear bumper that you could go off and sell to recoup some of that money because part of the cost is complete replacement of both bumpers.�
Jan 14, 2014
Eggplant Maybe it's only offered in Fremont? That's where all the magical hole punching equipment is supposed to be.�
Jan 22, 2014
gaswalla Friend of mine owns a Signature.. received a quote for $5k (1k labor and 5k parts) for a retrofit. He's getting it installed anyday now in San Diego.�
Jan 22, 2014
bhuwan Wow 5k imparts?i would have expected 1k in parts and the rest labor�
Jan 22, 2014
gaswalla I rationalized the cost breakdown as Tesla insisting on installing brand new parts instead of drilling holes and modifying current body parts and then it's basically plug/play after a couple hours of labor.
I think most of us think about utilizing the current body parts and modifying them, which results in more labor costs and less costs for parts, but may compromise the integrity of the parts overall.�
Jan 22, 2014
markb1 Please see if you can get the parts list. I would be very interested to see what they have to replace.�
Jan 22, 2014
dsmith2189 Interesting, prior posts have said that cars earlier than June/July 2013 don't have the correct wiring harness. If a Signature is getting the upgrade then it should be possible with late 2012/early 2013 produced vehicles.�
Jan 22, 2014
markb1 If this wiring harness is really just a wiring harness, that's not a big deal at all.�
Jan 23, 2014
Andrew I spoke with my service rep at our local service center a couple weeks ago, and asked him about the wiring harnesses. He said that the early cars (signatures and some early non-sig VINs) had the full wiring harness, because they were only installing one kind of harness at the time. As production efficiency has improved, they started installing different harnesses based on the ordered configuration of the car. So if the car was ordered without parking sensors, it would get a harness that didn't have unnecessary/unused wiring. He also said that now, if a car is ordered without the parking sensors, it's not possible to install later (because they put in the non-sensor-ready harness).
Perhaps when the non-sensor harness became available, but before it was possible to order a car with sensors, they assumed nobody would want to upgrade, and just put in the non-sensor harness in all those vehicles. He said he did not know what the VIN breakpoint was when they started using the pared-down harness.�
Jan 24, 2014
rekoh
Here is what I know........
New parts
Part number Description Retail Qty
Subtotal 1014386-00-A ECU, PARK ASSIST $214.50 1
$214.50 1008903-00-B BRACKET, PARK ASSIST/BLINDSPOT ECU $9.52 1
$9.52 1006521-00-A RVT PUSH-PULL 8X18X20.0 $2.16 6
$12.96 1013805-00-A NUT,t5,HF,PLASTIC,THREADED $0.90 4
$3.60 1014388-00-A SENSOR,PARK ASSIST-Unpainted,KTL+primer $98.50 8
$788.00 1014395-01-A RETAINER RING, DECOUPLING, BLACK $0.72 2 0-8 depending on vehicle color $1.44 1014395-00-A RETAINER RING, DECOUPLING, CLEAR $0.72 6 0-6 depending on vehicle color $4.32 1030348-00-A UPA FRONT FASCIA SERVICE KIT $900.00 1
$900.00 1030350-00-A UPA REAR FASCIA SERVICE KIT $900.00 1
$900.00 1004420-03-H Front Harness $98.40 1
$98.40 1004421-03-H Rear Harness $58.92 1
$58.92 1030076-00-A ASY,HARN,PKA SERVICE KIT $25.00 1
$25.00 1017412-02-A ASY CTR APPLIQUE FR FASCIA NA W/ UPA $450.00 1 For EU change to 1017412-03-A $450.00 1017414-00-D FR FASCIA BRIGHT CARRIER $125.00 1 AS NEEDED (pre VinP01550) $125.00 6005884-00-H ASSY - BUMPER SYSTEM FR NA $375.00 1 AS NEEDED (pre VinP01550) $375.00
Sub Total $3,966.66 �
Jan 24, 2014
gaswalla based on that parts list... looks like one could save at least $2500 if they could safely get the holes for the sensors drilled into the original front/back bodywork.�
Jan 24, 2014
tdiggity That's some crazy markup on the 8 sensors.
Thanks for the list!�
Jan 24, 2014
markb1 Yeah, that's a bit out of hand, considering it's a $500 factory option.�
Jan 25, 2014
SteveW25561 I'm begging y local service center to allow just that. Honestly I'm not sure why there's hesitation -- if the owner is willing to take chance and get the existing bumpers drilled, then why not allow this? They certainly aren't doing us any favors for the markup on the parking sensor components, plus we'd pay the labour to install them.
The only issue I see is trying to protect the brand: if you end up doing a bad cosmetic job, maybe people will think that Teslas are of bad quality. That said, I'd venture the risk of a non factory look goes up when people source out third party options.
Does anyone know if there anything special about the holes? I'd imagine they are simply holes and not some fancy hole with some sort of inner ledge,etc?�
Jan 25, 2014
William13 I lost a lot of interest with the price and have no interest after the posts from snow infested area reports of non function in snow. This is in contrast to other sensors that work in snowy areas. California strikes again. Maybe they will change the design or I will go aftermarket.�
Jan 25, 2014
patp +1 - I like your "California strikes again" expression. We have a fully loaded Volt and parking sensors work perfectly with ice or snow.
I hope Tesla will improve them by the time I trade my P85 for an upcoming AWD version.�
Feb 22, 2014
mdh Parking sensor retrofit quote
I am sitting on the quote in hand. It came out to be about $7447.49. The paint work alone was $2500 for front and rear bumpers. I really would like to see TM come out with a more aggressive program... even if it is after market supported.�
Feb 22, 2014
Stoneymonster Yeah, no thanks. Cost benefit really not favorable.�
Feb 22, 2014
EarlyAdopter Yeah, I still don't get this. It's a $500 option, so the parts should be available for $500, $1000 tops. Aftermarket installation for this sort of thing typically runs $1000. This should be a $1500 - $2000 retrofit, or a $500 parts purchase and a "go find an aftermarket installer of your choice."
Emailing ownership in 3... 2... 1...�
Feb 22, 2014
pimp-boy It's a good way for the service centers to make money by offering upgrades for earlier purchasers. Cheaper if I pay someone to go beep beep beep when I park.
Do you mind posting the quote to see what parts are needed? Maybe you can do it yourself and have them activate it afterwards.
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Feb 22, 2014
brianstorms At $7447 it would probably be cheaper to sell my Model S (still under 6K miles) and buy one with parking sensors. Way cheaper, I'm guessing. It is a scenario I have contemplated.�
Feb 22, 2014
yobigd20 And that's the kind of thinking Tesla wants. Every time they sell a new car they get $35k in ZEV credits... So if they price the retrofits absurdly high people that really want them will just sell their current vehicle and buy a new one.�
Feb 22, 2014
mdh Hmmm. Maybe. There is a crossover where someone buying a used Tesla will be willing to walk away from the tax break for a new S purchase. While, buying a new car means eating the sales tax.�
May 11, 2014
bradhs Tesla is always looking for ways to make retrofits more affordable. Has anyone asked more recently? Curious if they have gone in price.
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May 11, 2014
dennis I spoke with someone recently who was quoted around $5000 for the parking sensor retrofit.�
May 11, 2014
markb1 Really? They seem to show no interest in making this retrofit affordable. (The bumper holes have to be made at the factory? C'mon!)�
May 12, 2014
trils0n I'm trying to decide if now would be a good time to get parking sensors retrofitted, as I need a new front bumper anyway.
My front bumper was damaged in a hit-and-run in the parking lot at the grocery store.Paint scraped and plastic creased. The bumper is designed to pop off to help mitigate damage, and did that, but not quite enough to avoid being damaged. Replacement front bumper is $850 unpainted according to Tesla Certified body shop, and repainting brings the total up to $2100. Would still need the rear though, and I assume it is similarly expensive. Will talk to the service center and see how much it would be, and if they are willing to do retrofit.
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May 12, 2014
dsm363 That seems like the best time to do the retrofit if you were thinking about it anyway. Sorry to hear about your car.�
May 13, 2014
Brightonuk Parking Sensor Retro Fit (Are you sitting down)
Just got a call back from Dania Beach Center
Only $7,500.00
They will need to replace front and rear bumper and install the wiring harness.... still $7500??? still don't know why they cant drill holes.
Maybe I can buy the sensors from TMC have them installed then have Tesla install the wiring harness as I assume a new front and rear bumper cost $$$
Better still I'm gong after market.�
May 13, 2014
steve841 That's the ... "If you gotta have 'em" price .... I guess they really don't want to be bothered.�
May 13, 2014
capt601 This price has been known for 6-9 months, Many other quotes from 6-7.5k. Couple of threads from last year on the topic.�
May 13, 2014
ChriZ Might as well sell your car and get a new one with sensors for that price�
May 13, 2014
Rifleman It sounds like it might be cheaper to simply not get the parking sensors, bump into things a few times because you dont have them, and replace your bumper.�
May 13, 2014
sfriedrich My better half already did bump into something when backing up. So my "cost" to install parking sensors (when they also did a + upgrade on my Sig Perf. 85) was ameliorated by the amount I would have had to pay for fixing the bumper anyways.
I love 'em. They make parking in the garage a joy, they make backing up in parking lots so much easier (you can't be looking all around you AND at the backup display simultaneously).
Much more money than I wanted to spend on 'em: yeah, but totally worth it.�
May 13, 2014
pimp-boy @Sfriedrich: Did you need to have a new harness installed for the parking sensors? If so, do you know which harness did they replace?
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May 28, 2014
Brightonuk After the sticker shock of retro Fitting OEM parking sensors I have been searching the web for an aftermarket solution
I guess whatever you get it is gonna be MIC so one can only hope that they work unless someone has a good option, I would like the Tesla hardware but they don�t sell to end-users.
An alternative would be maybe salvage another OEM sensor set up from a scrap yard but the system will need to use a separate head unit/brain and could be modified to display on a small custom LED or VFD display.
Something like this looks ideal but I am no engineer so I do not know if it is even possible
http://www.varitronix.com/product/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=34&Itemid=79&lang=en
But I am assuming the image that is displayed is generated from the head unit, so hypothetically I can use any screen with the right wiring, if that is the case the following dimensions will fit nicely in the dash 2.5� X 2� or 2� X 1.5�
I don�t know what behind the dash but I have a good custom shop that if the display concept works it should look OEM once installed I know this is sketchy but with help from the more gifted members on this forum I am confident I can arrive at a solution
Any suggestions would be welcome�
Jul 10, 2014
dsm363 Are people with the Tesla retrofit happy other than the price? Getting my rear bumper replaced anyway after parking on the street and someone leaving two small holes in the rear bumper with their license plate bracket.
Was quoted $6,500 (nuts) but could knock off the insurance payment of about $1,700. Still about $2,000 too high.�
May 24, 2016
stevepeck1 I did it DIY. Front and rear harnesses, sensors, mounts and controller. Bought an 18.5MM quality hole saw for $7. Used the existing marks in the bumper for drill points. SC enabled it in software. Talk to your SC about parts. Wish I opted for the 12-sensor system as it, too was marked and apparently wired in my P163xx car. There are two identical unused plugs by the new controller (trunk behind left wheel well) to which one would connect the system. 50-50 chance you'll connect the right one. I was in the wrong 50 so it took an extra hour or so to diagnose that, but i'd expect it to only take 30 shop minutes to enable.�
May 24, 2016
elmoll My service center also quoted me at $6,000. I asked if they could drill holes in the existing bumpers instead of having to order new ones and was denied.�
May 24, 2016
AnOutsider Part list/cost?�
May 24, 2016
araxara Here is a quote I got in March 2014. The Bumper prices have gone down now. This was to retrofit parking sensors in an early Model S VIN 32xx.�
Jun 17, 2016
Rahul @araxara what SC did you get that quote from? I was just quoted $6K from the Scottsdale SC for VIN 7639.�
Jun 17, 2016
araxara That was from Scottsdale service center also, but as I mentioned in my post that was over 2 years ago.
Also, take a carefull look at the quote and notice the labor amount at the top. So it's about $6000 also.�
Jun 17, 2016
Rahul Okay it looks like nothing has changed. Did you end up getting them and if so was it worth it?�
Jun 17, 2016
araxara No, I was trying to find a way to reuse my existing bumpers, but I would have had to convince the shop shop to do that. Tesla indicated that they would only sell the parts as a kit and the body shop would not be able to order a subset of the parts, since my VIN does not have sensors.�
Jun 17, 2016
neroden I felt that the parking sensors were worth it, because I had already damaged both bumpers and they would have needed replacement eventually anyway. I haven't damaged the bumpers since I got the sensors...�
Jun 17, 2016
Rahul I guess if you're already getting them replaced it makes sense. But just to add them with perfectly fine bumpers is a long stretch I think.�
Jun 17, 2016
Fusion If the input plug is already there. You might want to look into the aftermarket bumpers. I think it was Karstyle that will have their bumpers made with the sensors installed and you would just plug them in with the bumper swap.�
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