Dec 2, 2012
jhs_7645 I'm curious, with some production performance 85kWh cars being shipped if anybody has taken note of whether it has the 'P85' badge or not. IIRC, there was debate some time ago on the forums as to whether this was going to be on production cars or not.�
Dec 2, 2012
FlasherZ It does not. It was scrapped after Jurvetson's car.
(I rather liked it.)�
Dec 2, 2012
SCW-Greg +1
Good I suppose if you're an owner of a 40 or 60 kWh battery pack, as they all look the same (except for possible wheel and wing differences). But for those with a P85, it's missed bragging rights, and improved resale value. IMO�
Dec 2, 2012
brianman I'm with the group that's glad they scrapped the idea. Two reasons: (1) it's a bit garish stylistically and (2) I kinda of like not advertising the vehicle's price/value for would-be thieves.�
Dec 2, 2012
EarlyAdopter Those would have to be some pretty sophisticated thieves, since there's no ignition to hotwire, no starter motor to rig. It's all computer controlled requiring an RFID key to be present. Not saying it would be impossible to steal a Model S, but I think the only thefts we'll ever see are cases where someone left their key in the car.
As far as advertising for smash and grabs for contents inside, the car's shape will do that all by itself. I don't think badging will make one bit of difference.
Personally, I wish Tesla had developed a nice, subtle-but-present badge for the performance model, much like the BMW M logo, or Audi S logo.�
Dec 2, 2012
byt I also wish there was some sort of exterior Performance Badging. We pay a premium for it, should be indicated IMHO.�
Dec 2, 2012
Jason S Maybe they could provide a carbon fiber fin or something... :wink:
Perfectly happy with the non badging on our perf. Wouldn't care at all if later cars had badging.�
Dec 3, 2012
artsci If you want to badge your Model S your might try this site: EmblemArt Store | Chrome Letters and Numbers, No minimum Order You can buy letters and numbers to suit your own taste.�
Dec 3, 2012
darthy001 I would very much like the option of having the P85-badge on my car. Cant see any problem for those not wanting it. Most car manufacturers give you a choice of "removing" badging at no cost when ordering a custom car from them. At least VW, BMW, Audi etc do so as standard.
Having the P85-badge would be nice for me at least, but I also like to see the AMG/M3/M5/M6/S4/RS4/Etc-badges on other brands performance cars. I simply feel it gives the cars some extra "oomph, oh yes I'm special"-feel as compared to the more standard motorised versions of the cars that looks more or less the same.. Most people dont recognize it, but the people in the know acknowledge it right away. I'm not going for the CF-spoiler since I like the look of the car better without it so there goes the only styling-cue visible on the outside of the car.�
Dec 3, 2012
Johan As Rick James would say:
:smile:
I wan't badging too!�
Dec 3, 2012
EarlyAdopter Anyone handy with graphic design? I want some Go Faster stripes for my Model S, too.
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Dec 3, 2012
brianman Didn't get very far with the stripe motif, but some fun with SVG..
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Dec 3, 2012
Grendal It's on Elon's car too. I didn't realize the P85 had color on it until I saw it on Elon's car.
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Put that on the hood like the old Firebirds.�
Dec 4, 2012
jhs_7645 Can you imagine how fast the performance S would go if it had Stripes *and* the P all leaning to the right?
Boggles the mind.
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Dec 4, 2012
FlasherZ Don't forget yellow. It's well-known that each component of the car that is painted yellow gives an additional 5 HP.�
Dec 4, 2012
doug I though they were keeping the P85, and what they got rid of was the ambiguous "Phase Current Amplification" or whatever it was.�
Dec 4, 2012
Laurent I might try something like this:
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Dec 4, 2012
Anzir +1. Was there a reason it was dropped? I'd rather have the badge and be able to take it off (e.g. with carefully used dental floss) than not have the option at all.�
Dec 4, 2012
gg_got_a_tesla They ran out of chrome?! :tongue:
Seriously, as I recall, the reaction back then - when Jurvetson's car was delivered - on these forums was very mixed with folks dissecting the "Phase Current Amplification" tagline beneath and such. And, some were worried about telegraphing the price of the car as well with the badge. Tesla may have taken this as appropriate feedback and may have chosen to drop it for good.�
Dec 4, 2012
Oreo I'm rather the opposite, I'd rather have no badging and woudn't mind getting rid of the "Model S" badging as well. As long I know I'm driving the Performance version, that's good enough for me.
I removed all badging on my Saab 95 and that made it look much "cleaner". Besides It also Get people a bit curious of "what kind of car is that?"
If I do get the Performance, I'll go for thr CF spoiler though. Then Tesla people would know it's a Performance. The P85 badge would not make any sense to people not knowing Tesla anyhow.�
Dec 4, 2012
Doug_G Not sure that's a good idea. Everyone's seen a Saab. Most people haven't seen a Tesla. My Roadster's TESLA logo is kinda hard to read. As a result I often get people tailgating me trying to read it. Quite annoying. If there's nothing at all you might find people doing stupid stuff while trying to figure out what your car is.�
Dec 4, 2012
brianman Heh.
If you're really driving the Performance, nobody will have time to see the badging.
If you're parked, then it's just an excuse for people to drool, hate or steal. None of which really appeals to me.
Just one opinion.�
Dec 4, 2012
jerry33 It looked fugly. The typeface just didn't work.�
Dec 5, 2012
Rodolfo Paiz +1 to no badging, or at the very least the option to request no badging. I don't want 'em to know what blew by 'em. :-D�
Dec 5, 2012
darthy001 Thats what all other companies do that I know of. They give you the option to choose badge/nobadge and both options are at no cost.�
Dec 5, 2012
bonnie I'm sure if Tesla decides to offer a badge, it will be available to add. I had someone peel off most of my Roadster Tesla logo & it was easily remedied the next time I was in Menlo Park.
I'd probably opt NOT to add a badge, but agree it should be an option.�
Dec 5, 2012
brianman Some charge to remove the badging.�
Dec 5, 2012
darthy001 Hmm ok. Here at least Audi, VW and BMW does this free of charge.. This is of course when ordering a car directly from the factory, and not from a dealers lot.�
Dec 6, 2012
EarlyAdopter When I bought my Audi S4 I asked the dealer to remove the "Supercharged" badges along the side of the car when they prepped it, since I thought they look gaudy and had sharp angled edges just waiting to grab a wash mitt. No problem, no charge.�
Jan 11, 2013
spatterso911 Should be the same height as the Model S badge, or maybe a slight bit bigger IMHO.�
Jan 11, 2013
Tommy Is that "P85" the new ethanol blend that can be used in the car?:wink:�
Jan 11, 2013
Babylonfive Can anyone measure the width and height of the Model S letters along the back?
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Jan 12, 2013
Babylonfive Looks like no one is interested in this idea, which surprises me.
I had at least hoped for some feedback about not liking it, and perhaps something that was more acceptable.
David�
Jan 12, 2013
jerry33 The problem is that it makes is sound as if it runs on ethanol.�
Jan 12, 2013
brianman It's only been 25 hours. I know this forum is hyper-responsive at times, but you've set the expectations a bit high...�
Jan 12, 2013
Babylonfive LOL, perhaps so. Hope to hear more later.
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Got a better suggestion? 85kWH? Performance85?�
Jan 12, 2013
StephenM Thanks for the link. I wish they offered the letters in smaller than 1" height. I would be tempted to get the prismatic chrome and put "WARP DRIVE" on it :tongue:�
Jan 13, 2013
jhs_7645 Well, since I started the thread, I might as well comment
OK, enough of the side story, my point really is this. If it's not designed and manufactured by Tesla, there will be something about the badge that doesn't fit the car, the slope of the letters, the font, the kerning, the exact reflectiveness of the chrome, etc.. so.. unless Tesla makes the badge, it just won't work for me.�
Jan 13, 2013
EarlyAdopter Needs stripes. Car won't be as fast without stripes.
Perhaps the "P" could be a small element, off the 85. Or alternatively each letter of "p e r f" could be in the stripes.�
Jan 13, 2013
Al Sherman How do the badges affix?�
Jan 13, 2013
gg_got_a_tesla 3M weatherproof adhesive. Easy to remove too after with dental floss, I believe.�
Jan 13, 2013
kinddog yea i'm kinda the same way. not rational, but true...�
Jan 13, 2013
Babylonfive Hey, sounds right to me.�
Jan 13, 2013
meloccom I don't think there would be much call for 40 or 60 badges so I if I were going to add anything I would just go with the word "Performance" in a similar script to the one used for "Sport" on the Roadster as the 85 is a bit superfluous.
Personally, as I'm not getting a performance I will stay with nothing.�
Jan 14, 2013
Brian H Discretely showy. Attractive, IMO.�
Jan 16, 2013
WATT-UP Anybody have a shot of what the P85 badge that Telsa used in the beginning looked like?�
Jan 16, 2013
jhs_7645 It's on Elon's car, which has been photographed extensively. Here's Motor Trend:
2012 Tesla Model S Rear View At Track Photo 2
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Jan 16, 2013
Nikoli From the "about your Tesla" screen in my car -
![IMG_8448[1].jpg](https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/attachments/img_8448-1-jpg.14669/)
The car graphic at the bottom of the Teslamotors.com supercharger page also has the P85 badge -
http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger�
Jan 16, 2013
kinddog ^^^ man that would be awesome ^^^
why the HELL did they do away with that?!?! :cursing:�
Jan 16, 2013
Babylonfive It might be quite easy to create that from available stick-on chrome numbers/letters, plus perhaps a wire saw and some paint...�
Jan 16, 2013
brianman Jurvetson's (#1) looked different, IIRC.�
Jan 16, 2013
Babylonfive No, you are right of course. I think the alternate idea proposed was whether echoing what's on the dash screen could be nice...
In my (ill-conceived) message in the middle of this thread, I was trying to hit something similar but not just copy the original P85 badge... I think a copy of that badge is definitely possible, though.
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Jan 17, 2013
teslasguy Nikoli, I like that a lot.
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD�
Jan 23, 2013
scriptacus Can someone post the dimensions (WxHxD) of the "Model S" badge on the back of the car? (I'd help in making a properly sized aftermarket badge)�
Jan 25, 2013
brianman Welcome to the forum. You're in luck. I happen to have something for ya:
The backing is 8.5" x 11" graph paper, so the "Model S" is approximately 8.5" wide. Note that the spacing isn't identical to when the letters are attached to the vehicle, as they are detached from the vehicle in this photo.
Notes:
- The red on the T(esla) logo is just a reflection.
- The "Model S" thickness ia about an 1/8th of an inch.
- The "T" thickness is about 3/16th of an inch.�
Jan 25, 2013
Babylonfive How joo do dat?�
Jan 25, 2013
PaceyWhitter "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!"
Sorry, I just had to.�
Jan 25, 2013
scriptacus Wow, that's just about perfect! Can you verify that the M is ~ 0.5 inches tall? (I got that via 8.5" / 34 (grid squares) * 2 ... the M looks about 2 squares tall)
If anyone cares, my current plan is to use the image from page 5 (http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14669&d=1358354830) as a base. That's the most "official" looking reference that matches the P85 badges on Elon's car and others, so that 's what I am going with.
1) Vector version of the letters from the image above. (Done)
2) 3D model of the badge.
In progess; I'm working on getting the slight bevel to export from either Maya or Blender properly... otherwise I'll have to go with sharp edges and sand them down later
3) Get 3D prints of the models.
In progress: Shapeways - Make Share Your Products with 3D Printing I've been uploading the unfinished 3D models to get an idea of the cost... probably around ~$3-5 per print for the smooth plastic
4) Chrome the 3D print
Researching: Short of actual triple plate chroming, I'm currently planning on using products from either UK's Premier Supplier Of Chrome Paint - Chrome Paint or Spaz Stix Paint to get the chrome finish. That will be followed by hand painting in the red center on the "P" (the 3D printed model should have a trough for that, so precision won't be an issue) and finally an automotive grade 2k clear coat.
All in all I expect the project to cost around ~$40-50 (with lots of leftover paint). As to why I'm doing it this way; I've been unable to find a company that will do small quantities (< 250) of custom emblems. EmblemART will do them, but the style of their prints isn't right.�
Jan 25, 2013
brianman Almost exactly 9/16ths tall.�
Jan 25, 2013
scriptacus Thanks again. I guess mine will be slightly taller at 0.6" instead of 0.5625". Close enough.
I finished up the 3D model today and ordered prints in 3 different plastic materials though it sounds like it'll be a few weeks before I get them. Costs for each print range from $4.31 to $7.10. After those come in I'll see how they hold up to painting. If I can't get the finish I'm looking for, I may search around for a local shop that does chrome plating... And if they can't plate the plastic I may try a polished alumide or stainless steel print instead. ($4.58 and $18.32 respectively)�
Jan 26, 2013
patp Count me in as your first client!�
Jan 29, 2013
artsci I'll buy a set for sure.�
Jan 29, 2013
kinddog count me in.�
Jan 29, 2013
carrerascott Interested here too.�
Jan 30, 2013
teslasguy I'm also in!�
Feb 10, 2013
DrTaras Finally. Someone who realizes that there are 31 flavors of ice cream for a reason!
Just because you don't like Rocky Road (I do) doesn't mean it shouldn't be offered!
Thank YOU Bonnie for that comment.
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As someone who tilts considerably more garish than most in the Tesla community
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/2399-Customized-Roadsters/page4?p=40337&viewfull=1#post40337
(oh, wait until you see my garish MSP... in process)
I think your design is on the too garish and too large side! :tongue:�
Feb 10, 2013
DrTaras If you will be painting them in a color other than chrome, I think it is important to render them on the car in all the colors that Tesla Model S is offered in.
For instance, the P85 that was on car #1 had some red stripes down the long end of the P that was very BMW 'M' logo like.
The red on the 'P', IMHO, clashed with the signature red color of the car, while it would have gone well on a black or white car.
Since you are in LA, you should stop by Al & Ed's in West Hollywood and speak with Elie who will have referrals for you.
http://al-eds.com/store/west-hollywood/category/tesla-motors/�
Feb 10, 2013
scriptacus Thanks for the heads up. My car will be grey so I hadn't given much though to the shade of red.
Update wise: the test prints shipped a few days ago, but I'm out of the country until the 17th so I don't know what they look like yet. Sometime during the week of the 18th I hope to get the first ones done. That's also the last week of my delivery window, so I may end up a bit preoccupied.�
Feb 11, 2013
PorscheDealer If anyone is willing to have this badging made for purchase (maybe a group buy) count me in...I would like to have the P85 on my car!
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Count me in Scriptacus as I am also in Los Angeles and would like the P85 badging on my car as well...although I plan on blacking out most of my chrome with either matte vinyl wrap or carbon fiber wrap. Also have you thought about replacing the center grill plastic cone with a much cooler black mesh grill to match the lower mesh of the car? Thats what I also plan on doing but do not know which bodyshop to go to yet! Any ideas?
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Feb 18, 2013
scriptacus Update:
Bad news. The Mirror Chrome paint on the 3D prints doesn't really work. The smoother materials have striations, and the fine detail materials have a sort of fine grained texture. Unfortunately in both of these cases the paint picks up all of these imperfections and never quite gets smooth. The parts are all too small and fine to attempt sanding down (e.g. The inside loops of the "8").
I have one unpainted print left that I may try to get chromed, though I'm not sure what the cost will be, or if the plastic can even work with the process.
Best bet at this point is probably to try and do a group buy on an actual shop made badge, as mentioned in another badging thread.�
Feb 18, 2013
Tommy I've seen it with my own eyes: Tesla is factory installing a P85 badge on the PS. I was at the Costa Mesa Service center and my DS showed me a car with the badge on and noted that the factory is now installing them. Sorry, I didn't think to take a photo, however this should be easy to verify.�
Feb 19, 2013
EarlyAdopter Maybe this was further fallout from Tesla's problems with their first chrome plating subcontractor, the one that kept sending pitted door handles.�
Feb 20, 2013
HFh Huh. So... will they offer to badge current P85s (I don't know how I feel about the idea).�
Feb 20, 2013
patp Good news! Just asked my local Tesla service advisor (as my car is currently being serviced) and yes, we can order the P85 badge!
"Indeed, the badge is available, we have some on order and should receive very soon. If the order arrives this week I will install one with pleasure. Otherwise I'll put one aside."?�
Feb 21, 2013
HFh Nice, but what does it look like�
Feb 21, 2013
NigelM Would be cool if it has "Phase Current Amplification" as previously noted.�
Feb 21, 2013
Babylonfive Nope, it's just a "P85" in the same font as "Model S"... look here�
Feb 21, 2013
NigelM That looks like a rendition and not an actual photo.�
Feb 21, 2013
Babylonfive 8 p
I'll take a $1 bet that it looks exactly like that...�
Feb 21, 2013
gregincal Well, I don't have a performance, but here's what the badge looks like on my new standard 85 (picked up yesterday from the factory):
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Feb 21, 2013
Doug_G So does this mean they'll retrofit cars shipped without the badging?�
Feb 21, 2013
capt601 wondering the same thing. or will it be a $295 option like the rear floor mat?�
Feb 21, 2013
ntam Maybe we should put a 40 kWh badge on our P85 and then it will really demoralize the Audi, BMW, and Mercedes when we pass them by on the freeway!�
Feb 21, 2013
Benjamin Brooks I kind of like not having the "85" badge on my 85KWh Model S... looks kinda weird with it.�
Feb 21, 2013
shokunin I just saw the P85 badge on a car at getting prepped at the Costa Mesa service center. I thought it was a founders car since it had the P85, but it was brand new. It looked sort of "eh" to me. Maybe if they give us current P85 owners the badge, I'll stick in my wife's 40kw.�
Feb 21, 2013
TampaLiam Service center sent me this pic of my car today. Picking it up tomorrow!
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Feb 21, 2013
carrerascott They put it on upside down!�
Feb 21, 2013
andrewket I flipped it-
I wonder if Tesla will do anything different for red cars. The P won't work as well.
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Feb 21, 2013
TampaLiam Ahahahha. On my phone on tapatalk it looked right side up!�
Feb 21, 2013
inottawa I personally think it's looks really slick. I wonder what the delay on it was?�
Feb 21, 2013
Morristhecat I think it looks good. I wonder if this is special for the 85's or will they also do this for the 60'S and 40's?�
Feb 21, 2013
Babylonfive nigel owes me one dollar.�
Feb 21, 2013
brianman I'm mixed on this. On the one hand, I feel like it belongs on my car if it's now Tesla official to have it. On the other hand, my car didn't originally ship with it and I like to keep my cars original unless I have a really good reason to change something.�
Feb 21, 2013
gsxrex If mine comes with it, I'll be ripping it off (along with the Model S tag as I'm not keen on that either). I like the debadged look to keep everybody guessing. I also don't want to attract more attention than this car already will.�
Feb 21, 2013
Beastly sign me up, I will take one!�
Feb 21, 2013
gg_got_a_tesla Just the 85 (or 60 or 40) looks rather bland IMO. The colorful P prefix for the Perf makes it better looking though.
And, is it just me or is the font a lot skinnier than the original P85 on Jurvetson's Founder #1 car?!
I think I'll not bother asking for the badge either at a future service pit stop. The rear looks less busy that way.�
Feb 21, 2013
gg_got_a_tesla Jurvetson's original P85 badge:
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Feb 21, 2013
EarlyAdopter It has Go Faster stripes! I want.�
Feb 22, 2013
Doug_G That will have the opposite effect - people will be tailgating you trying to figure out what the heck you are driving. I have this problem already even with the badge.�
Feb 22, 2013
NigelM Here you go:
(Click here for Secret Service currency image rules. Copyright U.S. government)�
Feb 22, 2013
patp Tesla Laval ordered some badges. They are putting one on mine if they receive it before I get back my car. So I assume they will do it for anybody who ask.�
Feb 22, 2013
clea I was just there this afternoon and Alex had not heard of the badging yet ... I guess he looked into after i dropped by. Did you initiate the call or did he?�
Feb 22, 2013
patp Actually, I was the one who told them about the badge. Gregory checked and ordered some according to his email.�
Feb 22, 2013
gsxrex Well people in California tailgate regardless, so I'm not sure it can get much worse.�
Feb 22, 2013
gregincal I definitely prefer the one they ended up with over this one. Now we just need to see if the 60's are getting them as well (my guess is that they will).�
Feb 22, 2013
jhs_7645 My car shipped without a carbon fiber spoiler (on the punch list).. I fully expect them to install it when they get around to me. I don't think this is much different. Other than it wasn't officially on a punch list.�
Feb 22, 2013
EdA How is the badge mounted???�
Feb 22, 2013
artsci No doubt an adhesive on the back, likely something from 3M.�
Feb 22, 2013
fiksegts I saw this badge on a Black Model S at the Dania Beach Service center.... can we order these?
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Feb 22, 2013
Babylonfive Side track here, but this is what I put on my 60kWH version.
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Feb 22, 2013
EarlyAdopter I approve.
Hmmm... I think I've got mime from the S4 around here someplace, too...�
Feb 22, 2013
Babylonfive I figure it makes perfect sense.�
Feb 22, 2013
clea ah ok, I've never even met Gregory. I thought there were just two working out of the Laval center but I've only ever dropped in as a tourist as of yet so obviously that was a bad assumption. Is Gregory a service tech or a DS or ...?�
Feb 22, 2013
Mario I just got my S today. Unfortunately it cam with no badging of the P85
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Andrewket I'm sorry are you saying that the service center installed this for you? Did you have to request it? I just received my delivery of the Performance 85 today and was told they do not instal the badges anymore. I want one! Any idea how I would go about getting it???
Thanks in advance for any input.
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Feb 23, 2013
ken830 Just picked-up my 85kWh (non-performance) and it had the "85" badge... None of the 60kWh cars got a badge... My DS said that they started doing it only a few days ago and only the P85 and 85 will get badges... 60 and 40 will not.�
Feb 23, 2013
jkirkebo I hope we get an option to delete the badge, just like you can have you BMW delivered without any. I'd prefer them never sticking it to my car in the first place to having the Tesla shop remove it afterwards. However this plays out, my car will not have any badges.�
Feb 23, 2013
patp He's a Service Advisor.�
Feb 23, 2013
scriptacus Most badges can be removed with some fishing line and an appropriate residue remover.�
Feb 23, 2013
gsxrex I asked and was shot down. Was told that due to the way the car is manufactured, it's not possible to delete the badge.�
Feb 23, 2013
fiksegts just heard from my service advisor and he said he's getting the part number and application 'template' so he can put them on...�
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