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Motor Trend live at Gigafactory with Model 3 today! part 1

  • Apr 21, 2016
    ModelNforNerd
  • Apr 21, 2016
    Boourns
    This is super cool. Even if we don't learn anything new (somewhat likely), it will be cool to see pics from inside the GF.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    ModelNforNerd

    EM has a flair for the dramatic. Maybe he will be there to show off the GF and Model 3. Maybe he has "bombshell" news for us.....


    we can dream, right?
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Boourns
    200,000 assembled Model 3s waiting for delivery next week.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Jason Bourne
  • Apr 21, 2016
    ModelNforNerd

    Pretty sure he has access to a G-V.....


    But yea....he probably won't be there today, which means we won't get any really cool news, since he loves to be the one sharing that with us.

    UNLESS....he sends a timely tweet, which he has been known to do....
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    wallet.dat
    The author of that article is a pretentious douche. "we iPhoned Tesla�s PR department" lol seriously?
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Boourns
    Don't see anything wrong with that.

    *This post was typed on a 128GB Nexus 6P, featuring a 5.7-inch, high-resolution WQHD AMOLED display and running Android 6.0.1 Marshmallow*
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    ModelNforNerd

    but have you installed your April security patch yet.....?
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    wallet.dat
    Ha! I see what you did there! :)
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Bokonon
    Nice. Also, I was saying boo-urns.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Garlan Garner
    Ditto. I would love to see the GF.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    ecarfan
    MT has a rather inflated opinion of itself, based on all the puffery in that piece.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    stopcrazypp
    They kind of do. See their Apple car article where they made it seem like they got the scoop over everyone else (when it was just something they had some one make up).
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    omar
  • Apr 21, 2016
    omar
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    stopcrazypp
    If anyone is on social media with Motor Trend, could you have them take some measurements of the length and width and settle the question (or at least take a perfect side profile shot with something for reference in size)?

    Also, some better pictures of the trunk opening would be helpful (the ones from the event were too dark to see much detail).
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Seesaw
    So on the wall Tesla has called it Giggafactory 1... inferring there could be more??
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    GoTslaGo
    Yep, gotta be. Several threads out there talking about battery production that would be needed to convert most car sales to EVs.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    GoTslaGo
    Yeah! Another pic of a 3...:)

    Which of course is clearly posted on the sign, NOT TO SHARE...
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Dan Detweiler
    My understanding is that the portion of the Gigafactory they currently have under construction is only 1/10 of the final factory. They will build further modules as need arises. Perhaps the Gigafactory 1 title is in reference to this being the first of 10 modules to the site.

    Dan
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Seesaw
    That is such a stunning car
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    SageBrush
    Nope! :)
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    wallet.dat
    Upon closer inspection it was reported that the Model 3 is actually 23% shorter than the Model S, even shorter yet than what Elon Musk had mentioned prior to the unveiling. At that point a Tesla PR rep fired back, "You have to measure it from the base!"
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    JamesL
    Well, given that the Gigafactory will be able to produce enough battery packs for 500K cars a year, in order to get to 1 million per year by 2025, you'd need another one.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Zaphod
    Ha, yeah, first thing I noticed is the sign saying not to share pictures. Looks great in silver.

    I'm counting down until someone makes comment about the nose...3...2..1...:p

    One thing I just noticed, that I hadn't before is that the fender actually has two creases, one from the tip of the back of the headlight and then one closer in towards the hood opening. Was it always like that? I'm sure it probably was, but didn't notice before.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    jonnyg
    [?IMG]
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    wallet.dat
    That settles it. I'm getting mine in silver!
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Laserbrain
    +1

    Another reason why I do not like Motor Trend. They achieved acceleration times with the MS P90DL nobody else in the world was able to achieve. They gave Tesla a reason to state false acceleration times (rollout scam).

    I think MT is a little bit to much in bed with the industry. I am not surprised they get a private date with the Model 3...
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    wallet.dat
    Dude in the back looks like he's practicing his golf swing.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Seesaw
    I love those rear hips on the 3, it's becoming a Tesla design trait
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Seesaw
    So what's the 3 doing there anyway?
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    GoTslaGo
    Symbolism? Purpose of the GF to make the 3 affordable, I assume.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    vortexz
    Looks like there is going to be a closed- group presentation of the car !
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Seesaw
    That prototype would be worth a fortune I'm guessing there would have to be event coming up?
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    BlairC
    Excuse me while I go grab a napkin to wipe up this drool...

    Such a clean, sleek looking design. Love it.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    stopcrazypp
    Read the article. Motor Trend asked Tesla PR to bring it there for a shoot (they also asked to meet Elon there, but Elon was too busy).
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    JoeCoolMan24
    I stopped reading the article after the first sentence said "We iPhoned Tesla's PR Department".
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    GoTslaGo
    My bad, didn't realize there was an article, too busy drooling over the pics...
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    ModelNforNerd
    they're live now........
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Boourns
    Do you say Tesla (with an S sound) or "Tezla" (with a soft Z)? Seems Elon and the guy talking now say Tezla.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Boourns
    Not showing the interior because it is going to change "significantly" between now and when the car comes out.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Boourns
    The sound is not great...

    Charge port will be in same place as the S b/c of how supercharging stations are set up.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Boourns
    20'' (square?) wheels on the silver 3 they are showing.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Jason Bourne
    @Boourns thank you for the play-by-play. Even if I had a Facebook account, I wouldn't be able to watch the live feed from work.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Boourns
    And that's it. So... not much new at this point. They are going to do another live feed of the car driving around later today.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    ModelNforNerd

    I watched too. Wasn't highly impressed.

    I'm curious if this is the same Alpha Prototype we saw at the reveal, or if the interior has already changed, and this is a Beta?

    from the very little they showed through the glass roof and windshield, the screen is still there, but they were very careful to steer clear of showing anything else inside.

    When they demonstrated how the door handles worked, they went to the back of the car.....

    so the tin foil hat conspiracy theorist wants to know:

    WHY CAN'T I SEE THE INTERIOR OF THIS PARTICULAR CAR...UNLESS IT'S SOMEHOW DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE MILLIONS OF US HAVE ALREADY SEEN...???


    o_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_O
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Az_Rael
    I noticed that as well. I say Tesla with an "s". Don't care how Elon says it.

    I apparently also mispronounce ASUS ( I say "A-suhss") as well as CATIA, which the maker pronounces "cauht-ia"
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Boourns
    Same thought here. The reasoning behind not showing the interior was "why bother." It seems like a pretty weak reason to not at least show what they have.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    xmetal
    Daaaaaang, 275/30/20 tires on the back. Those are about the same size as my BMW M3. That ain't messing around on such a little car....
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    ModelNforNerd

    One thing to note, though:

    this one has red brake calipers. It's the performance model. Base model may end up with 18's or 19's.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Dan Detweiler
    Wonder if 19" wheels will be standard like on the S. I prefer them due to better wear and cost to replace.

    Dan
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Dynastar
    Using those tire sizes and some very rough measurements from available photos the model 3 is about 170 inches long. That's a good bit shorter then an A4.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    GoTslaGo
    @Boourns, Thanks for the play by play!
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    stopcrazypp
    I had the same thought. I prefer even smaller if they have it available for the same reason. I don't need the large diameter rims, and it'll do much better against potholes too.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Dan Detweiler
    After test driving an S the other day I will definitely NOT need to max out the performance that these cars are capable of too. Had to change my underwear afterwards! 19s will be fine thank you.

    Dan
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    JohnSnowNW
    I would also prefer smaller wheels, 18-19". Minnesota winters are not kind to asphalt, nor are repairs particularly timely.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    ModelNforNerd

    I test drove a MS P90D-L a few weeks ago.......

    It would be very hard to persuade me NOT to check that box on a Model 3. The wife was along for the test drive...she KNOWS that will be a hard battle to fight and win with me. LOL
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Dan Detweiler
    0-60 in 6 seconds will be just fine. About all my poor heart can handle! ;)

    I do however want the larger battery for range. If what happens with the S holds true, that will also knock a good second or so off the 0-60 time. Lord help me!!!

    Dan
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    plankeye
    The larger rims look great, I agree, but for the reasons already stated, I'll probably be sticking with the stock size. Plus, a higher profile tire will help make the wheel well gap not look as large.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Garlan Garner
    20's for me - weather it comes with them or not.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    ModelNforNerd

    In some cases I would agree, like this one.

    But on my current car, filling that gap actually worked better with me lowering the stock height by about 1.25" all the way around.

    I wouldn't dream of doing that to a Tesla though. I would imagine for aerodynamic reasons, they'll be paying some attention to wheel gap anyway.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Skotty
    How about that rear tire width? Crazy. I'm sure the base model tires will be quite a bit smaller in both width and wheel diameter. I would guess base model might be something like 235/50 R18 front and rear. Certainly not 275/35 R20.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Garlan Garner
    I don't remember what the tire sizes are, however the BIG REVEAL camera's did a close up of the tires....which showed the tire sizes. The only thing I know for sure ( and was surprised at ) was that the black matte reveal car had different size tires on the front than it did on the rear.


    For me? My M3 will have 20's. The car will be wrapped - white carbon fiber.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    TrickyDimitri

    I would need to cash in my 401K for that! ????:eek:
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Boourns
    np

    I think the biggest implication from the brief video was that the interior of the car as shown in the reveal is almost meaningless. There was some mention of being able to be very creative with the final version. So as we all suspect, Reveal II will really show us something different.

    It seems that nearly all of the development so far has been battery/drivetrain and exterior, and the next two years will be refining what they have and designing the interior and other details to include as much as possible while sticking to the price point. That makes sense: first you have to develop what makes the car a car, then you see what is left for the "cowbells."
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    ecarfan
    It's not an inference. Elon has stated many times that looking out into the future, the demand for batteries will require many, many Gigafactories.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    vortexz


    You can see the full video here
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Dan Detweiler
    But those exterior lines...wow! I am even more in love with this car now than I was at the reveal!

    Dan
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    plankeye
    I totally agree. I took that route with my 1995 Civic. But I think that car had a wheel well gap at least twice as big as the M3.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    jonnyg
    Someone should take that video and count the floor tiles and determine the width and length of the car. Would have been easier if they hadn't parked at an angle to the tiles, but shouldn't be too hard, right?
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    plankeye
    Yes I love the crisp creases too. But not in a Cadillac sort of way. There are softer, rounder parts as well.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    plankeye
    We would need to know what size floor tiles they are.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    TrevTremaine
    I'd love to put those rims on an S.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Garlan Garner
    There is another thread where people are counting mm's to determine the size of the car. I have one of the images they came up with.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Jason Bourne
    Thanks for posting it, but wow what a horrible quality video. Does the camera have only one mic, which they left in the car??
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Tony_YYZ
    MotorTrend really seemed to approach this whole opportunity half assed. Such a great opportunity ruined by what looks like poor planning, poor execution with all those social media ad attacks.

    BTW, looking forward to your new movie coming this July!
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Snow Drift
    After the video I think I've changed my mind and the front end is great as is.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Maynerd
    I thought AWD is faster than RWD? The guy was saying 0-60 in less than 6 seconds. I thought that was standard. I guess if RWD is 5.9 seconds and AWD is 4 seconds it's still less than 6 seconds so technically correct. :)
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    ttupper92618
    All I have to say is, can we stop about the nose now? Who would want to ruin this loveliness with a grill?
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    geoffreak
    Yeah, I think they got the two things mixed up. Under 6 seconds for the base model and AWD is available.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Snow Drift
    Well, it depends on how you interpret the answer.

    The MT guy asked if it was 6 seconds or less? Someone (Tesla?) responded, yes, per the reveal.

    Now, the reveal said 0-60 under 6 seconds. This is true for both RWD and AWD.

    At the reveal they said the AWD was faster than the RWD. That does not mean that AWD isn't 0-60 in less than 5.8 seconds (or faster). All we know is they are all less than 6 seconds.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Az_Rael
    I will definitely be going with the smaller tires. I especially dont want a staggered setup - had that on my Lexus which translated to ~$1000/ year in tires since they only got about 25k on them and that's how much I drove in a year.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    brianman
    245 front, 275 rear is what I heard.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Audrey
    This article is terrible. It's poorly written and the Apple fanboy word choice brings the quality down further. Some of their "specs" and "stats" are clearly wrong, as others here have already noted. The constant "FOLLOW US" social media ads are annoying. Sure, add that to the end of the video. But a picture in the middle of the photos gallery and a three minute "teaser" just to say that? No; just no. The only nice things about this video were seeing the exterior in a well lit space and the door handles.

    This article is like water in the desert. Would I accept a drink from the devil? Probably. But I wouldn't have to be happy about it! :mad:
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    HanSolo
    It was hard to get past all of the typos in that article. I had no idea the Gigafactory was that huge. I hope to see more pictures once it is finished and making batteries.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Boourns
    Some things I noticed from the updates in the written article:

    On the Gigafactory:

    On the 3 itself:

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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Skotty
    Gigaroof!
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    bmenius
    They are 12" x 24". Unfortunately, none of the indoor photos are from an angle which would allow us to figure the hypotenuse of the triangle made by the 3 relative to the 90� angle in the floor tiles. A photo from a balcony or terrace would have been the �money shot.�
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    TEG
    Elon has a residual bit of South African aczent...
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    TEG
  • Apr 21, 2016
    plug
    I put one at post #133 in the Dimensions thread for this very reason. Somebody with good measuring tools could get a good guesstimate using the wheels for reference.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    LaCostaRacer
    The motor trend guys really didn't know much. We all heard the base model will be under 6 seconds a couple weeks ago. The AWD variant is not base and will be much quicker. That's when I lost my confidence in their reporting abilities. They seemed to be very interested in the door handles though!

    Seems like they should have thought about either using a tap measure or walk foot-to-foot to get the length of the car. Tesla seems an expert at frustrating our efforts on determining the length of the car.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    vortexz
    I like the front end more and more !
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Wolfsburg
    Well the current front end still isn't quite a slamdunk for me but I have to say my opinion of it has improved! I also have to reverse my opinion that the Tesla mustache would look better. No it wouldn't. Additionally, I tend to find silver cars rather boring and bland, but the Model 3 certainly wears the color well. I had ruled out silver as a color choice for me, but I may have to revisit that too. That photoshoot has definitely made me re-evaluate some opinions I had.
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  • Apr 21, 2016
    Xminus6
    I agree. The front ends lines flow better when viewed from regular eye level rather than straight on at a low point of view.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    larmor
    That is some serious access time for MT!
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Jeff4155
    I would definitely go with 18" wheels, the 20" looks great, but not at all practical given our South African roads and judging the 3/5 series BMW they all have standard rims from 17-18" so I would think Tesla would do the same, including the AWD version would be a nice to have, but not necessary in a country that gets half an inch snow once every 3 years, then again if it makes a positive difference to the distance the car can travel I am sure it would be the top seller.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Zoltrix77
    Noticed the front guards (fenders) are directed connected to the A pillars, would be very surprised if that made it to production, probably just body filler for looks at the moment.

    Rear bumper also seamless with body, it's by far from production.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    ModelNforNerd
  • Apr 22, 2016
    FlatSix911
    I hope the Model 3 front end is revised to look like the new Model S facelift and provide a consistent design.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    AUSinator
    I'm looking forward to a "mega factory episode" about the giga factory. What intrigues me is how come a factory of this size, once complete can only produce 500000 batterie packs ? considering the Fremont manufactoring plant is much smaller but would be able to manufactor 500000 cars and not to forget lots of in house manufactured parts. Also the cost of the giga factory of 5 billion. That means they would need $2000 profit per batterie pack so the factory can be paid off in 5 years other wise it would be a bad investment right?
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Sunlight
    I quite liked the M3 when I saw the reveal photos but the MT videos show the car in all its glory and I now think it gorgeous with exquisite detailing - so classy and under-stated! Love the sharp but 'calm' edges............The haunches; the lights; the tail spoiler; etc

    It looks so 'right' despite having such untraditional proportions (it is actually a 'weirdmobile' - huge wheelbase/minimal overhangs/glass roof/extra height(?).........!)

    Well done Franz (and others)!

    I still can't help feeling that the nose is following the MX path - lots of deception and just a raw pallet for now. I think Tesla will come up with something new and different at Part 2. But we will all grow to love it..............
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    plankeye
    I have been thinking the exact same thing. I have never had a silver car for that same reason. But I do really like it on the M3.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    vjason
    The factory will also produce battery packs for other Tesla products.

    No need to pay it off that quickly. A company with 400K reservations 18 months from launch of a new product likely has access to as much (financing) cash as it wants to keep things moving.

    Just keep the fingers crossed that the production ramp goes well. I shudder to think what stock traders will do if Tesla can't ramp up production on a reasonable schedule. Unfortunately those traders will determine what is reasonable, which sucks but that is how it is. SpaceX is fortunate that they aren't subject to the volatility of being a public company, as it allows them to do what they want without worrying about stock traders/external majority shareholders/etc.

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  • Apr 22, 2016
    tga
    Argh,.. Can we please stop assuming that "change the nose" means "add a grille"?!?

    "Shape of nose" and "does it have a grille?" are completely orthogonal. Disliking the flat "duckbill" nose doesn't mean wanting a grille, it means wanting the shape changed. Those are two different and unrelated design elements.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Dan Detweiler
    I am fine with the way it looks now but I am also ok with a refinement of the lines of the nose if they decide to go that route, as long as any refinements don't mess with the aerodynamics and thus range of the vehicle.

    Dan
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Jason Bourne
    Can we please get back to the rightful topic of this thread, the terribly amateurish nature of the article, photos and videos posted thus far?
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    jonnyg
    For real. Even if they only wanted to accomplish getting a good photo/video shoot they seemed to have failed at that. Plus any kind of actual journalism of asking questions and finding out things we didn't already know from the reveal or Elon's tweets was a complete and utter failure.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    tga
    Don't forget lack of any new, useful info in MT's decidedly click-baity article/social media barrage.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Dan Detweiler
    In my view, who cares!

    We know what we know. Got some more pictures and video we didn't have before. We aren't going to know more for a good long while. That's the joys of being early adopters.

    Dan
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    McHoffa
    Like this?
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Mark C
    I for one am certain the sign that asked them not to share pictures of the car was put there knowing the surest way to get some media coverage was to provide the illusion that sharing the photo with the world was forbiden.

    Well done, Tesla. {BTW, I pronounced that with an "s" sound, not a "z".}
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    plankeye
    What? I see seams in both places:

    upload_2016-4-22_8-15-20.png upload_2016-4-22_8-15-51.png

    No? I think it looks as good or better than most production cars. Not bad for a prototype!
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    AZ Desert Driver
    I'm bummed. I thought I was going to see how the batteries are being converted from mined ore to cylinders. A salt-flat roof shot....did not satisfy my query. I read that the GF inside shots were restricted...not surprised...but those were the shots I wanted.
    Now - the M3 was a nice shot. More of the same car from the 3/31 reveal. But nuttin new. bummed.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    ttupper92618
    I disagree. I think that would destroy the car's looks.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    ttupper92618
    I love it the way it is, and I feel if they add any superfluous design elements like the stache'... That it would be a retrenchment.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    ttupper92618
    What was notably missing from that salt roof was all the solar panels it is supposed to be covered with.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    AZ Desert Driver
    The aerodynamic nose is a nice statement that his is a new car. But the "mustache" that appeared on the new S and X could also work. I am fine with either. These cosmetics don't make/break the deal.
    What I'm getting worried about is how damn small it is. I'm a big guy, used to big honken SUV's for comfort. (yeah, I know I'm drowning polar bears). If these M3 crisp lines means I can't get into the little beast.....
    The reveal had some big guys. The reporters said a 6'5" guy sat in front of a 6'3" during drive. Maybe, maybe, small is not too small. I'm worried. This MT shot did not alleviate this fear. I want Giga big!!
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Rockster
    I noticed that there was a straight on, rear shot that would probably lend itself to using the known dimensions of the license plate to at least derive the car's width at the rear, if one were so inclined.
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