Chủ Nhật, 1 tháng 1, 2017

Model S Refresh: License Holder Part of Bumper? part 1

  • Apr 18, 2016
    Soundchasr
    Sales rep say license holder is standard but can be unscrewed - doesn't know what it looks like underneath. This pic looks like license holder is molded into bumper.

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    Rep also says they had to include it because it was part of the crash test. Thoughts? I'm not happy about this since front license isn't required in my state.
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  • Apr 18, 2016
    Hugh Mannity
    Agree it's ugly for the places that don't need a front plate. Weird thing is it looks like the X doesn't have this molded in though?
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  • Apr 18, 2016
    Soundchasr
    I think this is different than the X because the S was crashed tested with the holder on and perhaps the X was not.
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  • Apr 18, 2016
    K_style
    Oh, god no....
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  • Apr 18, 2016
    Soundchasr
    Here it looks different - like it might be removable.

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  • Apr 18, 2016
    MorrisonHiker
    I'm pretty certain it would be removable. Hopefully @Bjorn can provide more details.
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  • Apr 18, 2016
    K_style
    that makes more sense because not all 50 states require front plate.

    In AZ, PA at least only issue 1 plate for rear.

    I just hope they don't drill the bumper prior to the delivery. Because I dont want it !
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  • Apr 18, 2016
    Soundchasr
    Based on that pic it does look removable but then what are we left with - holes?
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  • Apr 18, 2016
    MorrisonHiker
    From @Bjorn 's video, you can see that there is a lip that wraps around on the bottom. I would assume it is attached on the bottom, with no visible holes on the front.
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  • Apr 18, 2016
    bfcmoose
    just confirmed with DS that it mounts underneath. Removable with no holes left.
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  • Apr 18, 2016
    Soundchasr
    Seriously??? Whoo-hoo!!
    Then why the h*ll did my sales guy say it was screwed in. UGH!
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  • Apr 18, 2016
    bfcmoose
    Not sure there. My DS verified with factory
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  • Apr 18, 2016
    bfcmoose
    Was told it will match pic of Model S from home page when bracket is removed. NO HOLES:)
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  • Apr 18, 2016
    Soundchasr
    YAY!
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  • Apr 18, 2016
    K_style
    Then how the heck the bracket mounts on the bumper?
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  • Apr 18, 2016
    Zaphod
    I'm sure there are screws that are hidden underneath in the upper lip part.
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  • Apr 18, 2016
    K_style
    I guess we will see sooner or later..Mine doesn't get delivered till end of May. I am sure someone will post pic of their own car shortly.
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  • Apr 18, 2016
    Snow Drift
    This is just like the Corvette plate mount that screws in under the bumper intake.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    K_style
    I went to Sunnyvale location yesterday and they had a refreshed model on display.
    The plate mount is bolted through under the bumper as well as front of the bumper.

    I was recommended to contact DS immediately to not to install the front plate mount..
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Soundchasr
    Are you absolutely sure that it is bolted to the front of the bumper? My DS says the hold is bolted to the backing plate only, not the bumper. And it isn't possible to not have it installed as it comes from the factory installed.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    K_style
    Well I saw it my self and tried to pull the mount from the top. If is only bolted underneath, I should be able to pull it slightly from the top.

    Those 5 big screws/bolts you see are what I can only assume bolted through the bumper.

    I can go back to the show room to take pics after removing the mount if they let me... haha
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Soundchasr
    If I had the opportunity (unfortunately I don't) I'd ask them to show me how it is removed.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    K_style
    I am on it. I will stop by after work.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Soundchasr
    Awesome! Maybe we can finally put this issue to rest.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    K_style
    It looked far better in person than pics.. I love the new look.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    eclipxe
    Any pics you can take of the refreshed car would be welcome as well!
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    K_style
    any specific area?

    I was mostly worried rear section where it seemed like they got rid of the diffuser but fins are still there just doesn't look as aggressive as before..
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    eclipxe
    Front end, headlights, rear, sides. All of it ;-)
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Alex D
    Please also take an outside picture of the rearview mirror. I'd like to see if they changed anything with the camera looking forward in the rearview mirror housing.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    K_style
    This is what I took yesterday...
    Will get more today !!

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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Gentilly7
    Love the new look. I hope it is possible to mount the plate lower, partially covering up the lower air vent like people did on the pre-autopilot models.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    MorrisonHiker
    I wonder if it can be rotated 180 degrees and installed so that the plate hangs down instead. That could be why it has two pieces as you could also rotate the inner mounting plate to still have the bolt holes at the top if the main bracket was hanging down.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Wknapp0924
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    I didn't think to check the license plate holder. Sorry! It looks like it's pulled out a little bit, however I called the service center and he said its permanently fixed.

    Almost want to drive the 60 miles back to pull on it for you guys.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    eclipxe

    We won't complain ;-)
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    K_style
    I already planned to go back to the showroom after work today. Will post bunch of pics later.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    TWBC
    Thank you so much!
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    K_style
    It's amazing how much of different story we get from Service center, Sales, DS. They are not as educated as we expect.

    The plate is NOT permanently fixed. you can clearly see there are bolts/screws mounted underneath of the bumper and front of the bumper.

    The question is, will it leave holes after removal? I will find out soon.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    bradjc

    Looking forward to a definitive answer on this. Put it to bed once and for all! ;) If it is pre drilled I'm hoping I can request they don't attach at the factory, mine due to start build any day now. My nose doesn't need nostrils!
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    K_style
    I sent an email to DS and OA this morning not to put a plate regardless how they are being installed. I'd be PISSED if they drill it.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Gentilly7
    Took me a while to wrap my brain around what you were describing but I understand now lol. Yeah that would be great, the plate would mount much lower. I just hope like everyone else that they are not drilling holes right in the middle of the omitted grill/nose cone
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    bradjc
    Thanks for posting this, the first dark paint version of the refreshed nose I've seen. I ordered Metallic Silver because I preferred the darker paint with the black nose one, I think it looks even better now. Cheers.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Caligula
    I'm headed to my SC to pick my car up in about 2 hours. Anything specific anyone want me to check? I know they have a few refreshed models there (or they did yesterday anyway).
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Soundchasr
    Have them remove the plate and take a pic!
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Caligula
    I doubt they would be too keen on that but I'll see what I can do.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Soundchasr
    Try doing it yourself until the police come?
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    K_style
    So the bad news is, they won't remove the plate bracket... Grrr but I was able to take some pics...
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    K_style
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    bradjc
    Awesome, thanks for posting these! I knew they removed the rear diffuser, but thought a silver strip of trim was on the new design, doesn't look to be the case from your pics.

    I didn't think they'd remove the plate holder, but you ask if there are screws going into the nose?
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    K_style
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    K_style
    of course I had to take pics of rear diffuser...
    its there.. just not so obvious as before.

    As far as other bolts/screws, there are 5 additional screws/bolts total facing front of the bumper other than 2 below. I don't know how many are actually goes through the bumper.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    K_style
    new LED head lights
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    New Frunk
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    Dummy Grill
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    K_style
    Last but NOT LEAST !!!

    Front plate bracket.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    K_style
    The bracket is definitely bolted on additional to those bottom 2.
    Spoke to my DS and I urge them not to put that crab on mine otherwise I will be canceling my order.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    TWBC
    Do you have any pics of the front of the bracket?
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    K_style
    check the last set of pics. I saved it for the last so I can tease.. haha
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    TWBC
    Ok
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    TWBC
    Are you certain that it has additional bolts besides the bottom two?
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    pixel4
    IMO - If there are bolts on the front, why would they bother with bolting it underneath? It would be pointless to have that extra wrap around.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Soundchasr
    Belt and suspenders? :)
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Merrill
    The email I just received on the refreshed S shows no license plate bracket or mounting plate.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    animorph
    Somebody should yank on the top of the license plate frame to see if it will pull away from the bumper. Of course it could be double-stick taped in front as well.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    D�rik Solutions
    Agreed. I would think (and hope) that it bolts underneath and just uses double sided tape on the front to prevent the mount from rubbing against the front and scratching the paint.

    Thanks Erik
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    russman
    Guys, do you really think Tesla would force an ugly license plate holder on us if it wasn't required? I'm fairly confident it's removable and the front is smooth when it's not on. Have a little faith in the designers at Tesla.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Wknapp0924
    The service center manager I spoke with said it is bolted on and not removable. Was it bolted down on the red one? Btw great pics!!!
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    HankLloydRight
    After how they butchered the classic (i.e. non-AP) instrument cluster design? I don't think so. I have no faith in the designers at Tesla anymore.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    russman
    That's software. Different group of people, but I can understand the concern. :)
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    HankLloydRight
    I know it's a different group, but the designers at Tesla (software or design) seem to be answering to a different authority (marketing, shareholders, management) than they used to be (world-class design).
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Soundchasr
    Unfortunately, it doesn't come to us from the factory that way according to my DS who says it will be installed when it arrives.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    K_style
    more than certain.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    K_style
    sorry, didn't get those .
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    K_style
    if you look at this photo, you see total 5 screws/bolts. I am sure some of them are going through the bumper.
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    Sales rep at Sunnyvale swears there are holes on the bumper..
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Soundchasr
    I haven't seen any actual proof yet.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    bradjc
    I agree, looks to me like 3 screws going through the front plastic panel to attach it to the car. 2 small holes at the top of the plate older for the number plate to attach to. I can't explain the piece going under the bottom section, maybe they thing it adds to the design. The previous black nose cone seemed to get complaints there was no simple mount solution, this addresses that I guess. But if it comes pre-attached and pre-drilled, that would be disappointing. I don't want to have to be worried about patching holes on my brand new car! :/
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    K_style
    Unfortunately. I going to loose my mind if they install the bracket on my car..
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    MrLunch
    This thread cracks me up. We won't know for sure until someone unbolts the beastie and takes a picture of it.

    In the meantime, in the spirit of improving customer service, may I suggest you make a note of what you were told by the SC/DS/Whoever, and when the truth is finally revealed, if what they told you was wrong, go back to them and (nicely) point that out. Tesla doesn't need guesses and BS coming from the customer-facing folks. Just a thought...
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    BluestarE3
  • Apr 22, 2016
    DrManhattan
    There is no way in hell Tesla would drill through the front bumper. It's connected from the bottom or I will eat my phone.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Caligula
    Didn't budge when I pulled on it from the top.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    DrManhattan
    Uh oh this isn't good......
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Caligula
    Could still be double sided tape. It's not like the rear spoiler moves when you pull on it, and that's held on solely by 3M tape.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    MrLunch
    Sticky tape.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    eclipxe
  • Apr 22, 2016
    DrManhattan
    Good point. I guess it makes sense for tape to be there or the plate could bang against the bumper. Hopefully the tape is easy to remove and no residue.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    K_style
  • Apr 22, 2016
    K_style
    I am using this as my sig.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Caligula
    To be fair, I've never heard that phrase before and I don't speak any language other than English and sarcasm.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    pixel4
    It's gonna be tape.. like this (see 21 seconds in)
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Soundchasr
    And I think that's the first time I've used that saying in my whole life. Just never fit before!
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Skotty
    I don't know what it's really going to be, but I can't wait for someone to buy a new one and finally put this debate to rest.
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    marty2112
    Guys...rest assured that the plate bracket is removable and will not compromise the beautiful new front. I was down in Fremont again this week and saw several refreshed cars. None of the front bolts touch/go through the bumper. The bracket can be pulled away from the car and there is some rubber pads to eliminate any marks.

    There are two mounting screws on the bottom. They above pics show it best. The bad news is all cars will be delivered with the bracket.

    Good news is there will be no problem removing....Just can't be done by Tesla

    I was told by a Tesla rep that the reason they are doing this is to adhere to a NHTSA requirement/recommendation to avoid costly repair to the front of the car in the event of a collision/impact. Apparently, the front tip of the hood sticks out just beyond the bumper and would be the first point of contact. Hence the plate bracket, with this in place it becomes the first point of contact. Replacement of the bracket is cheap, replacing/repairing the hood, very costly...

    If you don't believe me, check out a Model X. How come no plate issues with the X??? Answer: The X hood falls just short of the bumper. Never would have believed it until I was an X and new S sitting right next to each other.


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  • Apr 22, 2016
    D�rik Solutions
    Well mine is on track for late May-June delivery. Hopefully someone will receive theirs before then, or my local Tesla gets one in that I can go play with.

    Thanks Erik
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Soundchasr
    Although that sounds reassuring, the NTSB generally deals with aviation safety so I doubt that had anything to do with this. :) Maybe NHTSA? Also, why would any federal agency care about the cost of repairs?
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    BluestarE3
    Probably meant NHTSA?
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    Soundchasr
    You replied just as I was adding that to the post!
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  • Apr 22, 2016
    marty2112
    updated. never liked more than 3 letter acronyms...
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  • Apr 23, 2016
    DrManhattan
    Well it's better than the "my posts may not be used outside this forum".
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  • Apr 23, 2016
    Caligula
    Heh, that sounds legally binding to be sure.
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  • Apr 26, 2016
    Soundchasr
    Sales guy just got the new model and says license holder held on top with double-sided tape. Says not allowed to remove the holder (well, he isn't anyway).
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  • Apr 26, 2016
    TWBC
    Do you know if it will remove the paint to take off the bracket because of the tape?
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  • Apr 26, 2016
    Soundchasr
    If that happens there will be a lot of p*ssed off customers. I'm going to remove mine at the dealer (oh no I said dealer!!!) when it comes in so they can fix it if there is any paint damage.
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  • Apr 26, 2016
    D�rik Solutions
    I doubt there will be any paint damage when removed. I'm sure that if they went through the hassle of making the bracket, they made sure the tape won't damage it.

    Also they use double sided tape on the spoiler. I have seen several videos where it is removed without any damage to the paint.

    Thanks Erik
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  • Apr 26, 2016
    Caligula
    Assuming they use standard automotive grade double sided tape, it will come off without damage or residue.
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  • Apr 26, 2016
    Tanquen
    I�ve seen a few videos where the MX bracket is falling off. Maybe that is because it�s not done at the factory and they did not make sure it was clean first.
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  • Apr 27, 2016
    Caligula
    Sounds like it.
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  • Apr 27, 2016
    tanner
    I was just in at my local service center getting an inspection on my car to sell it when I noticed they had one of the redesigned Model S cars :)
    They told me the license plate holder is now installed by default at the factory... I'm going to call my delivery specialist and see if he can put in a request to leave it off before I even take delivery.
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  • Apr 27, 2016
    Soundchasr
    My DS said he can't do that...
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  • Apr 27, 2016
    Mattzilla
    He said, she said...

    I'm just glad I live in a state that requires a front license plate. That makes it easy for me as a law-abiding citizen.
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  • Apr 28, 2016
    Camera-Cruiser
    My advisor said that the the front license plate holder goes on at the factory, and that no, you can't request that they do not install it (at least for Californina). Regardless, it is just the two bolts on the bottom as shown earlier in this thread and some double-sided adhesive. My advisor said that they can not legally remove it, but that there is nothing stopping a customer from doing so. If you can use a socket wrench you are good to go!
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  • Apr 28, 2016
    Zaphod
    I don't think the removal process has been confirmed yet, just lots of speculation and conjecture to my knowledge. Maybe I missed something though.
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  • Apr 28, 2016
    K_style
    My DS just called me and he will have the technician remove the plate frame in case it comes from factory installed.
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  • May 3, 2016
    nanimac
    The Owner-Advisor here mentioned that there wasn't any choice anymore on not having the front plate holders. Said something about a law that the bumper had to stick out a certain distance or something.
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  • May 3, 2016
    Tanquen
    Maybe we can get them to install it with a microfiber towel between bracket and front fascia in lieu of what�s most likely some kind of double-sided tape. I�m sure it will come off but I�d hate to mark it up in the process. Worse case you just put it back. :)
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  • May 4, 2016
    tanner
    For the purpose of removing it later? The microfiber towel would likely mold (depending on where you live).
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  • May 4, 2016
    Soundchasr
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    Holder removed. From local mall.
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  • May 4, 2016
    Reekdog
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    Watched the sale men remove it to a local Showroom, it's held in place with double sided tape and 2 bolts underneath the front lip. The tape removes relatively easy and the bolt holes are recessed so you can't even tell the plate mount was there.
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  • May 4, 2016
    K_style
    So case closed now?
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  • May 4, 2016
    Reekdog
    Yes sir!
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  • May 4, 2016
    marty2112
    that's much better...
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  • May 4, 2016
    tanner
    Love you for posting this!
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  • May 4, 2016
    Soundchasr
    Now if we can just convince the DSs to remove them before we get our cars. Some are saying they "can't".
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