teslamotorclub: Model 3 Dimensions part 1

There seems to be some dislike of the front end of the Model 3. So I'm starting this thread to have people post their ideas on how to improve it. Okay, so maybe not a grill per se but whatever you might think it needs. I'd even be open to humor so have at it! Here's my idea. I think it makes a huge difference and it fits right in with the rest of the family, especially the Model X.

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Not bad! Certainly makes it look more refined and well....finished.

Here's my attempt at removing the snout:

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I vote for the Model X nose as in S3XY picture. I love the Model S, but I'm not the biggest fan of the nose cone, or the current Model 3 bull nose.
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I think the snout is there to improve Cd so I doubt they will remove it. But I guess they could make it a bit less prominent.
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Everyone needs to remember it's just a prototype and will undoubtedly change before production. Look at the Model S prototype front end. The final product looked much better.

That being said, I really like Mihai75's small modification above.
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Nice job Mihai75! like it better than the original one. Could you mock a version where also the hoodline would curve a bit downwards accoring to new line you draw for the buffer? and put the Tesla T then lower, to that new space. Highly appreciated if you bother!
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Credit goes to Voyager for this photo but it belongs in this thread. I still like the Model x grill version better than this.

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+3 for Mihai75.
Nice to avoid a fake grille.
Tesla should not have any non-functional vents, leave that to Mustangs.
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Actually I like all of these better than the prototype. I guess it just shows that it won't take much for Tesla to make it look good.
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Love it. Resembles the Model X. Who needs a grill? It is a relic from the ICE age.
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First post, I like the front end as is right now. I am sure the aftermarket will take care of bringing front bumpers with grills.
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I'm not good at Photoshop, so hopefully someone can make this change. I would love to see a smooth line go across the front that uses the curvature of the lines that are underneath the headlights. And if you were to look down from the top it would mean the front edge would stick out a bit more (3 inches). For me, it's the discontinuity of those under-headlight lines that detract from the front. And once again it has nothing to do with the lack of a grille.

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Give it the MX grill!
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Mihai75 said: ?

Not bad! Certainly makes it look more refined and well....finished.

Here's my attempt at removing the snout:

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I like this rendition. Feels more Porsche-y. Anything to smooth out that "snout." The 3 as revealed needs to finish the thinking on the snout. It was the most jarring thing that stood out, causing an immediate "ugh" reaction. I also can't figure out how the existing snout is optimally aerodynamic.

That all said, I would rather the snout stay as-is than Tesla put in a nosecone or grille. That's a real "ugh" to me.
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uuz3 said: ?

Could you mock a version where also the hoodline would curve a bit downwards accoring to new line you draw for the buffer? and put the Tesla T then lower, to that new space.
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Yes, that makes sense I think. Here is an attempt:

This area of the car is highly sensitive to the slightest change. Maybe some would prefer more of a "pinch" in the front, others more rounded. I tried to keep it somewhere in between.

And I think it's been mentioned a few times.....it's not about grill vs no grill, but doing something about that unfinished snout. I don't want a grill either. I also like S3XY's original suggestion, seems that would be a good compromise between the pro vs anti-snouts

Oink. Oink.
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S3XY said: ?

I think the snout is there to improve Cd so I doubt they will remove it. But I guess they could make it a bit less prominent.
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No way that blunt snout would produce better Cd numbers than without. It's essentially a flat surface in the front. Nearly vertical. That's what is so puzzling. We know they tried to eke out every bit of aero performance and efficiency.

Either Franz or Elon really really loves the blunt nose - or there's some regulation (pedestrian collision) forcing their hand.
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Mihai75 said: ?

Yes, that makes sense I think. Here is an attempt:

This area of the car is highly sensitive to the slightest change. Maybe some would prefer more of a "pinch" in the front, others more rounded. I tried to keep it somewhere in between.

And I think it's been mentioned a few times.....it's not about grill vs no grill, but doing something about that unfinished snout. I don't want a grill either. I also like S3XY's original suggestion, seems that would be a good compromise between the pro vs anti-snouts

Oink. Oink.
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Mihai - Could you try doing a version like my suggestion? You're so close to what I was hoping for - you still have those raised lines. Try making that line go smoothly across the front. Pretty please?!!!
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James Anders said: ?

No way that blunt snout would produce better Cd numbers than without. It's essentially a flat surface in the front. Nearly vertical. That's what is so puzzling. We know they tried to eke out every bit of aero performance and efficiency.

Either Franz or Elon really really loves the blunt nose - or there's some regulation (pedestrian collision) forcing their hand.
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Yes, but I assume it decreases drag for the larger surface of the windshield and would be a net reduction. I can't figure out why else they would include it.
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Mihai75, that one looks much better. I'd leave out the vague lines that run upwards from the little light slits. Smoothen the front end as if it were the bow of a boat and make a deep, horizontal crease between those light slits, so the front does show some relief.
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James Anders said: ?

Mihai - Could you try doing a version like my suggestion? You're so close to what I was hoping for - you still have those raised lines. Try making that line go smoothly across the front. Pretty please?!!!
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Mihai75, that one looks much better. I'd leave out the vague lines that run upwards from the little light slits. Smoothen the front end as if it were the bow of a boat and make a deep, horizontal crease between those light slits, so the front does show some relief.
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Alright sirs, I believe this is what you're looking for, first one is James version, and bottom one with voyagers suggestion to also make a slight crease between the light slits:

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As much as I like the looks of these front ends I had a thought reflecting
on the frunk.
I think they have kept the front nose short to make it easier to access the frunk since there is limited trunk room
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The grille is a relic of past times when cars were so inefficient they needed to swallow massive amounts of air to keep themselves cool.
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More snub - less snub.

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@S3XY, love the MX grill! True to your name!
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Mihai75 said: ?

Alright sirs, I believe this is what you're looking for, first one is James version, and bottom one with voyagers suggestion to also make a slight crease between the light slits:

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DING, DING, DING....................We have a winner! Great job Misha!
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Mihai75 said: ?

Yes, that makes sense I think. Here is an attempt:

This area of the car is highly sensitive to the slightest change. Maybe some would prefer more of a "pinch" in the front, others more rounded. I tried to keep it somewhere in between.

And I think it's been mentioned a few times.....it's not about grill vs no grill, but doing something about that unfinished snout. I don't want a grill either. I also like S3XY's original suggestion, seems that would be a good compromise between the pro vs anti-snouts

Oink. Oink.
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Exactly!Thank you for doing it. That takes away the "granny look" which the original one has and makes the nose to go with the rest of the car.

This is it now! I want it
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uuz3 said: ?

Exactly!Thank you for doing it. That takes away the "granny look" which the original one has and makes the nose to go with the rest of the car.

This is it now! I want it
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That is slick, I'd even take a slower car to get it. However, the interior is so far my #1 possible deal killer, I can live with the current nose
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Design with respect to appeal/beauty/attractiveness is one thing - highly subjective. But what's interesting to ponder is how it might be that such a snubbed off nose would be better for aerodynamics/drag than a more pointy one. Perhaps there's something counter intuitive going on here with regard to that?
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Johan said: ?

Design with respect to appeal/beauty/attractiveness is one thing - highly subjective. But what's interesting to ponder is how it might be that such a snubbed off nose would be better for aerodynamics/drag than a more pointy one. Perhaps there's something counter intuitive going on here with regard to that?
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That's what I was thinking. Why else would they have included it. The one thing my option does (see OP) is keep the blunt ridge but add the Tesla logo to break it up and also make a statement.
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This is what I meant with a boat bow like front end if you catch my drift.

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I love the look of post #20, thanks.

I agree, it had to be an aero decision, not a style choice.
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Wow, these are good. It wouldn't take much to finish the unfinished front end.
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The James version by Mihai looks amazing. I hope someone has tweeted Elon a link to this picture.
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BRAVO!! Either one looks so much better. Please someone forward this Elon!

Look, I guarantee you this...

If this was the car that Elon unveiled absolutely no one would say - "Oooh, it would look so much better with a blunt faced nose!"

Thanks Mihai!

By the way... I am a designer.

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Mihai75 said: ?

Alright sirs, I believe this is what you're looking for, first one is James version, and bottom one with voyagers suggestion to also make a slight crease between the light slits:

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I think it looks nice as-is. Reminds me a lot of the Roadster's front end.
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AWDtsla said: ?

The grille is a relic of past times when cars were so inefficient they needed to swallow massive amounts of air to keep themselves cool.
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No one is talking about putting a grille on it.
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voyager said: ?

This is what I meant with a boat bow like front end if you catch my drift.
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Yeah, more of a crease and bent in more to create depth? I think the last version I made could maybe have that low crease even deeper but I wouldn't make it as extreme as that Lambo, no?

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The James version by Mihai looks amazing. I hope someone has tweeted Elon a link to this picture.
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I kind of like it even more with the lower crease added as well (the last version). I think I'm already on Franz's death list......we're just playing around! he, he....he.
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S3XY said: ?

That's what I was thinking. Why else would they have included it. The one thing my option does (see OP) is keep the blunt ridge but add the Tesla logo to break it up and also make a statement.
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New Pedestrian collision laws, particularly in Europe. These laws require more upright front ends. That's the only thing i can think of. No way it's aero drag.
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eloder said: ?

I think it looks nice as-is. Reminds me a lot of the Roadster's front end.
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But the Tesla Roadster didn't have a blunt, flat center nose. If the M3 nose looked more like the Roadster it would be OK.

There's smooth curve across the front. See?

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nothing flat is going to be good for drag. Based on what I can remember from my aerodynamics courses back in college.
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nd4spd569 said: ?

nothing flat is going to be good for drag. Based on what I can remember from my aerodynamics courses back in college.
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Are there any aerodynamic shapes that don't have the blunt end forward?
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AWDtsla said: ?

Are there any aerodynamic shapes that don't have the blunt end forward?
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There are I guess like a tear drop shape that's aerodynamic if that's what you mean by blunt end forward. Honestly the current front end isn't "flat" it's still curved and angled so it doesn't exactly hit flat. But it would be as aero dynamic as a front end that was smoother. The more simple the design the better for drag as creating turbulent airflow by directing air changes increases drag. However this doesn't take into account any other reasons for air flow lines. I.e. Downforce, brake cooling, etc.
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James Anders said: ?

BRAVO!! Either one looks so much better. Please someone forward this Elon!

Look, I guarantee you this...

If this was the car that Elon unveiled absolutely no one would say - "Oooh, it would look so much better with a blunt faced nose!"

Thanks Mihai!

By the way... I am a designer.

Guaranteed.
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I personally think both of those options look dated (like 1990s dated). I really like what Tesla showed us. It's strong, bold and fresh...exactly what Tesla wants to say. Looks great in my opinion and I would absolutely choose it over any of the mods I've seen.
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I kinda like them both. The original Model 3 in an unconventional way and Mihai75's version in a more classic way. Problem with the latter is, it doesn't say "Tesla" at all. When you look at all the model's front ends, although quite different, they do share this trapezoid element (be it a grille, a nose cone or implied with metal edges) which identifies the cars as belonging to the same brand.
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Mihai75 said: ?

Alright sirs, I believe this is what you're looking for, first one is James version, and bottom one with voyagers suggestion to also make a slight crease between the light slits:

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Sexy's original was quite good, these two by Mihai are great... would have me enthusiastically set on going with the Model 3 I reserved. as it stands, I might get a Model S instead. Tesla may have purposely shown a less finished (less aesthetically pleasing to many) Model 3 to slow down any "osborning" of the Model S/X. not kidding. I think either of Mihai's versions would have us at about 400K reservations and counting right now.

If Tesla really wants to go with what they've shown instead of something like what Sexy and Mihai did, OFFER BOTH! Not. Kidding. if they can offer a glass or aluminum roof on the S, why can't they offer a variation of the front end at least close to what Sexy or Mihai did?

not trying to beat up on Tesla, and they are getting reservations at a pace that they could carve a sketch of a garbage pail into the front and they'd still have a multi-year reservation list when production starts, but people's tastes vary and unlike the other auto companies, they don't have a bunch of sub $40K models (GM, Toyota, etc) and they don't have decades of refining the aesthetics to hit a single widely well loved form (BMW, Mercedes, etc.). lots of pressure to get one version of the Model 3 that's widely wins people over aesthetically. if they want something as different as what they've shown, why not versions like Mihai's as well as an option?
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Whatever Tesla does with the front...NO GRILL. That's a remnant from old ICE age technology. Time to move on!
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MTL_HABS1909 said: ?

Whatever Tesla does with the front...NO GRILL. That's a remnant from old ICE age technology. Time to move on!
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I agree. really glad "s3xy" started the thread, but we're getting much better suggestions here (including s3xy's) than adding a grill.
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As I said in the OP I wasn't really asking for a grill. I only used that in the thread title because I thought it was catchy and would draw attention. I was just looking for other ideas to make the front clip more appealing and so far everything I've seen here accomplished that. Let's keep them coming!
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Mihai75 said: ?

Alright sirs, I believe this is what you're looking for, first one is James version, and bottom one with voyagers suggestion to also make a slight crease between the light slits:

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I think this looks much better, but also seems even more Porsche-like. I like it
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wbrumfiel said: ?

However, the interior is so far my #1 possible deal killer,
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There are a number of Internet companies already making interior appliques for all kinds of different cars - carbon fiber, brushed aluminum, various woods, various colors, etc. Trust me, when the T3 goes into production, you will be able to customize your T3 with a plethora of aftermarket items - nose, ground effects, interior, and who knows what else!
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el crucero said: ?

There are a number of Internet companies already making interior appliques for all kinds of different cars - carbon fiber, brushed aluminum, various woods, various colors, etc. Trust me, when the T3 goes into production, you will be able to customize your T3 with a plethora of aftermarket items - nose, ground effects, interior, and who knows what else!
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Ya especially since tinkering with the cars Powertrain is quite scary to me unlike an ICE where I would tinker with all sorts of things. Pretty much only cosmetic customization for me.
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Here is the most beautiful grill in the world.
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youlikeadajuice said: ?

I personally think both of those options look dated (like 1990s dated). I really like what Tesla showed us. It's strong, bold and fresh...exactly what Tesla wants to say. Looks great in my opinion and I would absolutely choose it over any of the mods I've seen.
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For the future survival of Tesla, the Model 3 has to make money.. and that is achieved through mass volume sales. To do that the car must appeal to the masses. The folks on this site are Tesla fans, yet a very clear majority have an issue with the current front nose design. If Tesla fans have reservations about the nose, Joe Public will have even more.

I'm all for bold, fresh designs... that's the definition of Tesla... but the design must have mass market appeal for Tesla to survive... and clearly the current nose design misses the mark.

Reassuringly this thread, and others, have demonstrated how trivially easy it will be to fix.

Kind Regards
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Mihai75's rendition is not only the best, it's wonderful. Turns the car into super sharp from ugly duckling, even embarrassing.
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MTL_HABS1909 said: ?

Whatever Tesla does with the front...NO GRILL. That's a remnant from old ICE age technology. Time to move on!
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I don't recall anyone asking for a grille.
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James Anders said: ?

I don't recall anyone asking for a grille.
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I don't recall saying anyone asked for one....I just stated my opinion. But thanks.
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If you guys ended up not liking the grill, just go to a professional car wrap company and they can design a special grill wrap for you to fit your taste. That's one of the benefit of having a flat grill area like Model 3, you can stick whatever you what on the panel.
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David J said: ?

Mihai75's rendition is not only the best, it's wonderful. Turns the car into super sharp from ugly duckling, even embarrassing.
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Couldn't agree more. Mihai's design should get made for the M3 by the aftermarket if Tesla stands pat on the current design.
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Essentially every photoshopped version of the current front end (which is apparently NOT a grill) that I've seen in here is prettier than the existing one.

For those insisting on a grill, you can photoshop this on if you like:

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boiler81 said: ?

Couldn't agree more. Mihai's design should get made for the M3 by the aftermarket if Tesla stands pat on the current design.
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It was a "crowdfunded" design effort I think we just did what intuitively made sense, to harmonize the lines. Bold is one thing but that current front end looks like it melted. I still think the exterior and interior of the M3 have very little in common. Two very different approaches and this is not a good thing.

If the M3 keeps the snout as is, I foresee a great commercial potential in after market stickers for it. Such as:

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As many places require a front plate, and aren't likely to change in the foreseeable future, there should be a way to put on the front plate that isn't a goofy add-on.
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nd4spd569 said: ?

nothing flat is going to be good for drag. Based on what I can remember from my aerodynamics courses back in college.
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License plates are somewhat bendable, there's zero reason why it couldn't be in a curved holder. The bumper radius is pretty large.
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I've heard everything the front looking like a platypus bill to calling it a mini-model x. I think this is the only weak part of the design, and is a continuance from the Model X where they were undecided on whether to put a grill in and just took it off out of lack of other ideas. I also heard from someone at the event who question Franz about the grill directly and he said that the Model S had a grill because there was a small air intake that required it, and the Model X and Model 3 don't have that so they don't need a grill.

While I was glad someone had the gull to ask Franz or Elon, I am disappointed that they chose to tease a grill instead of putting one on. IMO The model S has the best design, and what I think people dont like most about the nose cone on the S is that remains black no matter what the car color is and that makes it look jarring when you start to go through the color options. However, on black its the best because the nosecone looks more apart of the design of the car. If they make the nose cone plastic piece the same body color as the car I think it would be received better overall, thats what people are liking about the grill-less X and now 3. For me having to drill into the body of the car for a plate is horrific and there is no way to avoid that with the Model 3 Design.
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Captain Semtex said: ?

For the future survival of Tesla, the Model 3 has to make money.. and that is achieved through mass volume sales. To do that the car must appeal to the masses. The folks on this site are Tesla fans, yet a very clear majority have an issue with the current front nose design. If Tesla fans have reservations about the nose, Joe Public will have even more.

I'm all for bold, fresh designs... that's the definition of Tesla... but the design must have mass market appeal for Tesla to survive... and clearly the current nose design misses the mark.

Reassuringly this thread, and others, have demonstrated how trivially easy it will be to fix.

Kind Regards
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I absolutely think the Model 3 needs to appeal to the masses, and with nearly 300k reservations made over the course of a few days, I'd say it definitely appeals to Joe Public. I would not say a majority of the people on this forum have an issue with the design...have you seen this poll right here on TMC? Over 70% very much enjoying the design, with another 20% thinking it's better than comparable vehicles. So over 90% approve, that's an overwhelming majority here on this forum. There are 2 threads I've seen on this forum in which a handful of users contributing to those threads are disappointed in the design, and that's certainly not a majority.

I will say that design tends to be somewhat subjective, and fully appreciate the opinion of those who don't like the nose, but their opinion is not the majority.
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youlikeadajuice said: ?

I absolutely think the Model 3 needs to appeal to the masses, and with nearly 300k reservations made over the course of a few days, I'd say it definitely appeals to Joe Public. I would not say a majority of the people on this forum have an issue with the design...have you seen this poll right here on TMC? Over 70% very much enjoying the design, with another 20% thinking it's better than comparable vehicles. So over 90% approve, that's an overwhelming majority here on this forum. There are 2 threads I've seen on this forum in which a handful of users contributing to those threads are disappointed in the design, and that's certainly not a majority.

I will say that design tends to be somewhat subjective, and fully appreciate the opinion of those who don't like the nose, but their opinion is not the majority.
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Considering that half put deposits down sight-unseen I suspect many didn't really care what it looked like as long it was a Tesla.
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James Anders said: ?

Considering that half put deposits down sight-unseen I suspect many didn't really care what it looked like as long it was a Tesla.
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Half? 115k put in reservation sight unseen. We're now close to 300k. So nearly 2/3 reserved after seeing in a matter of days. Reservations have exceeded everyone's expectations, including Elon. This hardly sounds like the behavior of disappointed customers.
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Mihai75 said: ?

Yes, that makes sense I think. Here is an attempt:

This area of the car is highly sensitive to the slightest change. Maybe some would prefer more of a "pinch" in the front, others more rounded. I tried to keep it somewhere in between.

And I think it's been mentioned a few times.....it's not about grill vs no grill, but doing something about that unfinished snout. I don't want a grill either. I also like S3XY's original suggestion, seems that would be a good compromise between the pro vs anti-snouts

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I prefer the more rounded smile, rather than the weird pointy pinched lips. It is a car, but I think subconsciously a happy looking person or pet face is the best analog.
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Johan said: ?

More snub - less snub.

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Oh my. I said I liked a smile, but that looks more like a pout. I have to echo what someone else said: minor adjustments in this shape make a big difference in how it looks. Also aerodynamically. I still stand by my general comment that a smug nose or a frown are bad psychologically, and a good smile of some variety that is not smug or sad is a good alternative. I don't know if I'm right, but I'd love to see examples before I commit to my opinion.
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ELON JUST ASKED FOR THE URL FOR THIS THREAD. holllllyyy shizzz
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James Anders said: ?

But the Tesla Roadster didn't have a blunt, flat center nose. If the M3 nose looked more like the Roadster it would be OK.

There's smooth curve across the front. See?

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Aha. I like this from the angle of the camera you took it at, AND this is what I was trying to say the first few posts I posted here. I guess it works with me. I think this is what I am trying to say is "a better option". Thoughts?

Edit: yeah, I really like this one, generically speaking. Would it fit the Model 3 shape?

Edit edit: just Google Image'd Tesla Roadster, and two comments: (1) cheesy and (2) payed close attention to my psychological feedback in my own mind and found out that I got happier with the smile Roadster look, and that the net benefit of that happiness hugely overcame any cheesiness I also saw.
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Someone quickly post the link to this thread to Elon Twitter! He just asked for it!!
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GIdoc said: ?

Someone quickly post the link to this thread to Elon Twitter! He just asked for it!!
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WOW! Never expected this when I started it but so happy to hear it. BTW, if Franz needs any other help I can certainly make myself available.
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GIdoc said: ?

Someone quickly post the link to this thread to Elon Twitter! He just asked for it!!
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Yeah I was just about to post this. Good to hear they're interested in positive criticism.
Judging by the sheer numbers of reservations and Elons tweets I think Tesla is turning up the dial to get the car finished and the factory production scaled up faster than planned. They're going crazy over there I'm sure.
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Really hoping Elon likes the look of the M3 with the front end of the MX. I think it matches so perfectly it's almost a shock they didn't start with it. I like the other version more than the original also but think the MX front end was meant to be.
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I love the look of the shark nose front-end design on the M3. If you like the look of the MX, put an MX grill decal on it. Easy fix! For the other designs, let that be an after market body kit. Don't backpedal from the M3's evolved front end design� we have plenty of time to get used to it!
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Jeebus get rid of grills. Fake S model grill is horrible and only made not to scary ppl used to looks at cars with grills for decades. Functionality and low air drag is the king and EV dont need grill.
Paradigms are shifting, welcome to the new era!
Model 3 has now aprox. drag low as 0,21 marvelous
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My vote is to add the X style 'Stripe' and leave it the way it is besides that; however, I don't think Tesla can make anything that I wouldn't call sexy.
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Since it looks like Elon might take a look at this thread, I wanted to chime in from the other side of the aisle. I like the current Model 3 front a lot,and I enjoy S3XY's contribution, but there seems to be a lot of support for Mihai75's design. Unfortunately, I think that change would practically be a deal-breaker for me (no offense Mihai, I just hate the concept. I'm sure you're a fantastic person). I hope I don't receive negative feedback about this, but I thought that input might be appreciated.
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Mu5keteer said: ?

Since it looks like Elon might take a look at this thread, I wanted to chime in from the other side of the aisle. I like the current Model 3 front a lot,and I enjoy S3XY's contribution, but there seems to be a lot of support for Mihai75's design. Unfortunately, I think that change would practically be a deal-breaker for me (no offense Mihai, I just hate the concept. I'm sure you're a fantastic person). I hope I don't receive negative feedback about this, but I thought that input might be appreciated.
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I go back and forth between them. The more I see the original design the more I like it but I wouldn't be against the change either.
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I like the look of the current prototype pretty well. I think the blunter nose actually gives the unfortunate people that have to have a front plate a place to put is that effectively negates the aero impact of slapping a piece of flat metal to the front of the car. By having the plate fully backed by purposefully designed bumper, you don't have it sticking out into other areas and causing drag.

I'd also guess that there are probably a dozen considerations none of us are even thinking about in terms of safety, airflows, govt regulations, bridge-to-future-design-language-that-we-won't-see-for-years, etc. While perhaps some folks might really take offense and go as far as cancel an order over it, I think the vast (VAST) majority of people will take the car as a whole and merrily drive into the sunset with it.

For the first 10 seconds of the reveal I was like "uh, whut? woah..." but then started to get it, and after seeing that spy video of the silver one on the street it just looks damn sexay. They are making some tweaks and in the end I trust in Tesla ti give us something fantastic.
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I'm a fan of the current 3 Design. I think all it needs is some small embellishment similar to the X but maybe less pronounced. The happy car look suggested is nice too, but I think a slightly more aggressive look is warranted for a car of this caliber.

My primary concern has to do with license plates! I think it would be innovative/smart and betray an attention to detail if Tesla provided a built in way to put a license plate on that doesn't involve damaging the vehicle!!!! It seems like this is always an afterthought with automakers, and I HATE drilling into the nose for some stupid law. Perhaps some sort of mounting point for an included but optional bracket that comes out from the hole area beneath the nose?

Also, I wonder if it's worth taking into consideration how placement of the license plate affects Drag Coefficient.
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Uh, Tesla just announced what is by all accounts a revolutionary, disruptive, game changing car. And we're not happy with the unconventional grill? I invite readers to peruse the archives of the Model S forum from 4 or 5 years ago regarding the then yet to be released Model S. Complaints aplenty. All rather personal and generally petty. And, among the biggest complaints was the grill/nose cone. Now, I'm sure some still aren't happy with the Model S nose cone. But, I would guess many have come to realize it is part of the car and the car is beautiful. Tesla makes what many consider the world's greatest car. It doesn't need air flowing through a radiator. It does benefit from maximizing aerodynamics. Beautiful form and high function. I accept that some may not like the front of the Model 3 but please recognize that it is in total a beautiful piece of art that has a great deal of utility built into the design.
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I too was a little surprised at the unveil, but after a few minutes I felt comfortable with the design of the front-end. I love it more and more, every time I see it. I'm only somewhat disappointed that I'll have to wait until 2018 to drive it. I seriously hope that orange-ish red color is one of the choices (or a full orange metallic).
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youlikeadajuice said: ?

Half? 115k put in reservation sight unseen. We're now close to 300k. So nearly 2/3 reserved after seeing in a matter of days. Reservations have exceeded everyone's expectations, including Elon. This hardly sounds like the behavior of disappointed customers.
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I think they'd have twice the reservations right now with Mihai's design rather than what was shown. They actually may have shown a design with a front that would temper Model 3 enthusiasm for now to minimize "osborning" of the Model S/X.
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MrJima said: ?

Uh, Tesla just announced what is by all accounts a revolutionary, disruptive, game changing car. And we're not happy with the unconventional grill? I invite readers to peruse the archives of the Model S forum from 4 or 5 years ago regarding the then yet to be released Model S. Complaints aplenty. All rather personal and generally petty. And, among the biggest complaints was the grill/nose cone. Now, I'm sure some still aren't happy with the Model S nose cone. But, I would guess many have come to realize it is part of the car and the car is beautiful. Tesla makes what many consider the world's greatest car. It doesn't need air flowing through a radiator. It does benefit from maximizing aerodynamics. Beautiful form and high function. I accept that some may not like the front of the Model 3 but please recognize that it is in total a beautiful piece of art that has a great deal of utility built into the design.
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Tesla's designer Franz von Holzhausen has said that when the Model S was out, the one element he wished he could go back and change was the nose cone.
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jlewisthe3rd said: ?

IMO The model S has the best design, and what I think people dont like most about the nose cone on the S is that remains black no matter what the car color is and that makes it look jarring when you start to go through the color options. However, on black its the best because the nosecone looks more apart of the design of the car. If they make the nose cone plastic piece the same body color as the car I think it would be received better overall, thats what people are liking about the grill-less X and now 3. For me having to drill into the body of the car for a plate is horrific and there is no way to avoid that with the Model 3 Design.
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Wrong.
It's not a color thing.

Black on black just hides the fact that the nose cone is out of place.
Making the nose cone body color is like putting makeup on a wart.
The Wart is STILL THERE.

The S needs a cooler front end.
My god man, at that price point and with those specs... It's a requirement.

If they just did this, all would be right in the universe (see attached)
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Nazdar said: ?

Jeebus get rid of grills. Fake S model grill is horrible and only made not to scary ppl used to looks at cars with grills for decades. Functionality and low air drag is the king and EV dont need grill.
Paradigms are shifting, welcome to the new era!
Model 3 has now aprox. drag low as 0,21 marvelous
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No one is talking grilles, OK?
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JamesPolk said: ?

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Yeah, dull the bull nose. Just lower the upper lip.
This it too pointed for my taste. A more rounded version, close to the front trunk line will get her there.
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xmetal said: ?

I like the look of the current prototype pretty well. I think the blunter nose actually gives the unfortunate people that have to have a front plate a place to put is that effectively negates the aero impact of slapping a piece of flat metal to the front of the car. By having the plate fully backed by purposefully designed bumper, you don't have it sticking out into other areas and causing drag.
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I'm one of those unfortunate people.
That said... Nobody needs THAT much space to mount a license plate.
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Joules Verne said: ?

Yeah, dull the bull nose. Just lower the upper lip.
This it too pointed for my taste. A more rounded version, close to the front trunk line will get her there.
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The thing about making the front more rounded is that all the other lines on the front are sharp creases. Look at the upper fender lines and the hood lines and the lines under the headlights. I would think you would want to keep that same design motif.
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I think we are just used to seeing vehicles with a lower lip and a grill. Because there is no ICE to cool, there is no need for a grill. It was a shock at first, but the more I look at it, the more I like it. But, If they lowered that lip just a little, I think I would like it a little more
That said, the Model 3 is so far ahead of the competition, in every single metric, it's just ludicrious. The Chevy Bolt is more expensive and it looks like a cheap piece of crap, which Chevy is accustomed to producing. Now that Tesla has entered the consumer market, the big guys have some serious competition. Why all the big electric car manufactures are making "goofy" looking electric cars, is a mystery to me. Thank you Elon for making a sexy looking electric car.
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don't see why this has to be so complicated. people have different tastes. Tesla literally may have demand for a couple million of these per year. most car companies need about 6 or 7 different models to reach that kind of demand. Tesla can have the massive efficiency of doing that with one model, but offer a few different options for the front end so each is thrilled according to their own tastes. if they can offer a glass or aluminum roof on the Model S when it was running at 20K units/year, they can offer multiple front ends on the 3 that will run at 400K per year near term, and I really think a couple of million per year long term.
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Joules Verne said: ?

Wrong.
It's not a color thing.

Black on black just hides the fact that the nose cone is out of place.
Making the nose cone body color is like putting makeup on a wart.
The Wart is STILL THERE.

The S needs a cooler front end.
My god man, at that price point and with those specs... It's a requirement.

If they just did this, all would be right in the universe (see attached)
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Joules - I dont think you should say that an OPINION is "Wrong"....your retort is simply your opinion and if you have a Model S then you like the rest of us owners were satisfied with the look of the nose cone enough to buy it. If you have not bought one and the reason is the nose cone then the Model 3 or X is probably the car for you.
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tkizzy said: ?

I'm a fan of the current 3 Design. I think all it needs is some small embellishment similar to the X but maybe less pronounced. The happy car look suggested is nice too, but I think a slightly more aggressive look is warranted for a car of this caliber.

My primary concern has to do with license plates! I think it would be innovative/smart and betray an attention to detail if Tesla provided a built in way to put a license plate on that doesn't involve damaging the vehicle!!!! It seems like this is always an afterthought with automakers, and I HATE drilling into the nose for some stupid law. Perhaps some sort of mounting point for an included but optional bracket that comes out from the hole area beneath the nose?

Also, I wonder if it's worth taking into consideration how placement of the license plate affects Drag Coefficient.
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I like that idea. Indented with a clear cover to maintain the aerodynamics.
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Having a play in Photoshop. Haven't changed the shape of the snout but just added a 'fake' grille - straight from an Aston Martin which seems to fit in that bumper almost perfectly.

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@AusM3, that does look good, but they want to steer clear of a grille.

This is the variation that I personally prefer. So many posts about the front end, that I don't know who to attribute this photoshop to.

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AusM3 said: ?

Having a play in Photoshop. Haven't changed the shape of the snout but just added a 'fake' grille - straight from an Aston Martin which seems to fit in that bumper almost perfectly.

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Did you want to add dual exhausts as well?
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I don't understand why Tesla didn't keep the front of the concept they drew. The same one that Elon tweeted when they were working on the car. The best front IMO was the one in the middle under Franz drawing.

If tesla made the change for cheaper bumper, then maybe I would let them slide, but there is no reason to make the front ugly. Look at the Model S. They could've put Aero wheels and a rear wheel side cover to improve the aero dynamics, but they chose to keep the Model S sexy. This front on the MOdel 3 has to go.

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SteveG3 said: ?

I think they'd have twice the reservations right now with Mihai's design rather than what was shown. They actually may have shown a design with a front that would temper Model 3 enthusiasm for now to minimize "osborning" of the Model S/X.
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You're basing this on what?
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Wow, we have short memories here!
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I've seen all of these suggestions you guys have made and have had mixed feelings. I think most of us like the original design except for it being maybe a *tad* too much. I think it needs a VERY slight revision to make it much more attractive. I've seen the grilled and rounded versions but they all seem too safe/boring and lack a signature bold look. You don't want it to look like a 90's Miata. I think the "snout" is making a statement about NOT needing a grill for air intake. It's the look of the future. I do think the original design is a little *too* overpowering where your attention is drawn too much to the front of the car, making you ignore the rest. Yes, it does look a little like pouty lips, a duck, or mouthless Keanu. Anyway, this picture is my suggestion and attempt at showing what I mean.

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And for giggles a grille-less Model S:

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TheInsaneMan said: ?

And for giggles a grille-less Model S:

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Model S looks wonderful!

I've come to realize it's not simply the front end I'm not feeling, it's the front end with the headlights as shown. I think one or the other I'd be okay with, but taken together, to me it looks like a cold robotic vehicle designed to seek out and destroy all humans (most noticeably in the pic of the original design in post #105. it may be that the headlights being off is a large part of this effect).

I'm not saying don't do that design... maybe a fair amount of people love that look for that reason. I just think that Tesla probably will be able to sell millions of Model 3s/year, volumes that normally takes a manufacturer 5 models to reach. with all the money Tesla will save reaching those volumes only designing, tooling 1 vehicle rather than 5, why not invest a minuscule fraction of that to offer a few choices of facia/headlight options? if they were the world's greatest watchmaker and had 10% share, would they only offer one watch face?
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No need to change it... Paint it! Get the look of a grill with the aero of a smooth front... Imo
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Took the front end of the rapide S and tweaked it a little. food for thought
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I feel like Tesla has slowly gone away from the grill the Roadster had a functional front grill, Model S has the front nose cone, Model X has the little quarter front grill, Model ? now has no grill but Elon say's there hoping for a drag coefficient of 0.21 Im guessing the grill has something to do with it.
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Nazdar said: ?

Jeebus get rid of grills. Fake S model grill is horrible and only made not to scary ppl used to looks at cars with grills for decades. Functionality and low air drag is the king and EV dont need grill.
Paradigms are shifting, welcome to the new era!
Model 3 has now aprox. drag low as 0,21 marvelous
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EV's actually CAN benefit from grills. One of the major issues with getting performance from an EV is heat dissipation. Putting a radiator in the front that vents through the hood is a great way to dissipate heat and gain additional downforce. The Model S already uses liquid cooling for the motors anyway (and I'm assuming the Model 3 does too).

Granted, at the performance levels most people will be driving these cars at, it makes much more sense to focus on Cd to improve efficiency (and consequently range). Regardless, it's inaccurate to say that grills are a thing of the past. They aren't only for ICE's.
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My first reaction when I saw the new nose on the Model 3 was "WOW that's the face of the four-eyed fish in the movie The Incredible Mr. Limpet." Reference: The Incredible Mr. Limpet (1964) - IMDb
I'm no designer, but that seems like a strange place to draw inspiration for the front of an otherwise decent design. Not that it matters. Look around at the drek that clutters the roads and you'll see that people will drive just about anything. The Model 3 will do just fine as-is.
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I don't HATE the non-grille in its current state, but I wouldnt mind a little something extra for production
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I really like the 3 prototype, especially compared to the generic looking photo shopped picture or even the front of the S or X. Hope they keep it unique and smooth without a faux grill or panel. Glad that steering wheel isn't going to stay though.
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Joules Verne said: ?

@AusM3, that does look good, but they want to steer clear of a grille.

This is the variation that I personally prefer. So many posts about the front end, that I don't know who to attribute this photoshop to.

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Ya, I really like that design
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RayLast said: ?

I've seen all of these suggestions you guys have made and have had mixed feelings. I think most of us like the original design except for it being maybe a *tad* too much. I think it needs a VERY slight revision to make it much more attractive. I've seen the grilled and rounded versions but they all seem too safe/boring and lack a signature bold look. You don't want it to look like a 90's Miata. I think the "snout" is making a statement about NOT needing a grill for air intake. It's the look of the future. I do think the original design is a little *too* overpowering where your attention is drawn too much to the front of the car, making you ignore the rest. Yes, it does look a little like pouty lips, a duck, or mouthless Keanu. Anyway, this picture is my suggestion and attempt at showing what I mean.

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Ya, I like this small revision too.
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TheInsaneMan said: ?

And for giggles a grille-less Model S:

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These are nice too, but I think they are similar to there car designs. The more subdued "snout" sets it apart from other cars.
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kbranSIIIXY said: ?

Took the front end of the rapide S and tweaked it a little. food for thought View attachment 170688
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BARF...
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Let's also keep in mind that this isn't a supercar that requires tons of downforce. The idea is to channel the air to the sides instead of trying to cut under it with a pointed hood. I believe the some call it "zero lift" front end.
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