Oct 13, 2015
SomeJoe7777 While I love the idea and have half an impulse to run down to Harbor Freight :smile:, I question the legality of taking it upon yourself to move someone else's vehicle.
Even if fully legal, with the way people are these days, this is probably a good way to get yourself into an escalated conflict situation where someone could get hurt.
I have a stack of the placards that explain that the spot is for electrical vehicle charging only and I leave it on the windshield. It's the most I'll risk. I've had an ICE driver give me a dirty look just for doing that. :frown:�
Oct 13, 2015
TexasEV This has been suggested before, but as a reminder, at superchargers with some stalls that allow short term general parking, you should preferentially use those first. That leaves the reserved spots for Teslas that come later.�
Oct 13, 2015
Armadillos I was wondering if that was going to happen. And hopefully it won't be a problem in the winter when I need to get a charge up there on the way home, and everyone has stopped at the Starbucks to get a warm coffee.�
Oct 13, 2015
ozweepay I really think having cheap barriers (even plastic and malleable) that lower when you press a button on your center console would be cheap technology and would add even more cachet to the experience of visiting a SC.
This can't be done at SCs that allow ICE parking, but at spots that are Tesla only, it would be ultra-cool and not at all difficult to implement.
Or just do snipers like yo mama suggested...�
Oct 13, 2015
ozweepay How about one of these for Superchargers?
In This Mall, Holograms Of Disabled People Appear If You Try To Park In Their Space - YouTube�
Oct 13, 2015
Max* 526 Superchargers, with an average of 5.6 stalls, that's ~3,000 stalls to retrofit.
Define cheap? You need to pull permits, dig into the ground, install the bollards, etc. I would WAG at least $5k per stall
So you want to spend $15M to fix a problem that is... well... sucky but somewhat rare. I bet there are better things Tesla can do with the money.�
Oct 13, 2015
Porfiry Couldn't they just drive off? I'm pretty sure if you get the wheels moving those dollies are going to shoot off, probably at a high rate of speed.�
Oct 13, 2015
MorrisonHiker Instead of bollards, how about a wood or foam gate attached to a beam, such as the gate used at a parking garage? I'm sure it would be a lot cheaper...but also not nearly as durable. I could see potential problems in windy areas...but it would make it really obvious that it's a NO PARKING zone and only approved vehicles would be able to raise the gates.�
Oct 13, 2015
Max* Probably cheaper.
An even cheaper sign "Towing at owners expense" and actually enforce it.�
Oct 13, 2015
luvnMyTS That would get the drive wheels off maybe, but wouldn't help in the wheels that don't drive the car. So unless it's an all-wheel drive car, they're going to be stuck on at least a couple of them.�
Oct 13, 2015
sub I may have said this before but I agree with the above, partner with local towing companies that make it a priority to tow the vehicles out of the stalls immediately. Place number on Supercharger. Win win, car gets moved and they get a costly reminder never to do it again.�
Oct 13, 2015
MorrisonHiker Great idea! Sometimes the simplest option is the best. I can understand that local business might not want to upset their customers but they should've planned for this when signing a deal with Tesla. Tesla is effectively spending $30000 or more per space when building a Supercharger. If they are going to make that kind of investment, they should do their best to ensure it will be available for Tesla owners.�
Oct 13, 2015
AudubonB An other way for Tesla to do it on the cheap is:
1. Erect SpC sites at quite a few hundred locations around the world
2. Sit back and wait for this forum to fill up with numerous ideas on how to solve the problem
3. Paw through these various threads and choose the location-appropriate solutions
Group-think at its finest!�
Oct 13, 2015
smartypnz CAUTION
Inappropriate vehicles located here may cause extreme high voltage arcing !!!�
Oct 13, 2015
ElectricTundra I think pop up gates or bollards are going overboard. Well, maybe not. Anyway, there are some that require no digging, attach on top of cement/bitumen, and just hinge up. They are fairly inexpensive and typically work with homelinc so a common code could be downloaded to cars. They do have a guard available for places with snow plows to keep them from getting damaged.�
Oct 13, 2015
MikeL Most powerful trebuchet in the world - YouTube
:biggrin:�
Oct 13, 2015
wdolson My SO now wants one for Christmas. She's now googling videos of Medieval siege engines especially ones throwing flaming things. She's currently watching a video of some guys destroying a motor home with a robotic trebuchet.
She just announced she wants to mount a siege engine on the roof of the house. Why? Because she thinks it would be cool.�
Oct 14, 2015
ggr Funnily enough, a lot of the high-power long distance backbone distribution networks have gone back to using DC. At a couple of hundred kilovolts, the transmission savings eventually overcome the cost of converting to/from AC. Also, no synchronization issues with DC. High-voltage_direct_current�
Oct 14, 2015
e-FTW We can dream can't we?�
Oct 14, 2015
slevit1md Looking at that pic is kind of infuriating for me. It's blatantly obvious that those spots are for Tesla parking. Those two cars are asking to get keyed...deeply. Not that I'd ever do that, but just saying, it might happen. They may also lose valve stems.
If there were a way to plug in and block those vehicles (appears you could), that would absolutely be happening.�
Oct 14, 2015
shrspeedblade Not an owner yet, but putting myself in the situation I'd be frustrated too. One of the big problems here is the potential for things to get ugly quickly: there are just too many selfish, egotistical, quick-tempered people in this country (and probably the world in general).
Tesla needs to bulk buy 30000 cones at 5 bucks a pop that are placed in the exclusive (not dual use for ICE temp parking) charging spots. Yes, as an owner it will be slightly inconvenient to get out and move the cone but far less so than showing up and having the spot you need ICEd. And most people, especially the type who would ICE the spot, are far too lazy to get out and move it themselves!
If Tesla won't address this maybe all the Tesla clubs need to ban together and do it themselves through crowdfunding- since Tesla is paying for the electrons anyway (I know, I know it was rolled into the price of the car.)
Heck, I'd contribute and I'm not even an owner yet!�
Oct 14, 2015
MorrisonHiker Building on your idea and the "Real Mjolnir" electromagnetic Thor's hammer video, how about metal cones that are held in place by magnets? Only Teslas would be able to disable them temporarily. :smile: I guess then we'd have the problem of drivers not replacing them when they finished charging. Could put them on a track or a pole or something...but that extra complexity and expense. They just need to start towing!
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Oct 14, 2015
brucet999 Seriously? You would use a $110k aluminum skinned car to block in drivers who clearly have no regard for others?�
Oct 14, 2015
green1 Only after photographing their license plate, and ideally with a dash cam pointed their way. But yes. I would.�
Oct 14, 2015
adelman One of the benefits of long distance transmission of DC is that it doesn't radiate energy!�
Oct 14, 2015
wdolson The electric grid is really a number of grids with inter-tie pieces between networks. Enron played a lot of games transferring power from one grid to another. I think since Enron there is more grid to grid transfers than before and DC does avoid synchronization issues. Converting DC to AC is somewhat more efficient than it was when I was in school too, so that's probably a factor.�
Oct 14, 2015
slevit1md It is a heavy aluminum skinned car that I don't see them pushing out of the way. So yeah, their car would definitely be blocked in place until I was done charging. You can believe I would not be far away though, should they get restless.
Either blocked in, or find their tires a bit short on air, continually, until they realize their valve stems are loose. Who knows, but something would happen to make them realize their mistake. Some people only learn the hard way.�
Nov 11, 2015
Jabushey Way to go, Holiday Inn, Duluth!!!
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Nov 11, 2015
Navyguy How about spike strips. when your telsa is near buy they lower if not a tesla they wont lower HAHA�
Nov 12, 2015
mikeash You guys are always talking about keying cars, sheesh. No wonder Tesla only gives us a fob! :biggrin:�
Nov 12, 2015
hybridbear I agree. The office building where I work is LEED certified. There are 2 Hybrid Vehicle Parking stalls on each level of the ramp plus 2 more on the surface lot between the ramp & the building (10 spaces total). There are more hybrid vehicle drivers in the building than there are spaces, so they routinely are fill up. The order of "premium" spaces goes: handicap, then carpool, then hybrid cars. Occasionally the stalls get taken by other vehicles. The building will leave notes on the cars of people who park in the stalls without a hybrid car.
One of the manufacturing facilities of the company where I work also has Low Emission Vehicle Parking stalls as part of its LEED certification. This plant is in a small town in the middle of central Wisconsin. No one ever parks in those spaces. In the winter that is where the snow plows pile the snow mounds.
It would be much better if the LEED credits were for installing EVSEs instead of just hybrid car parking spots.�
Nov 13, 2015
Amped-Up Contact the owner of the shopping center - Steve Craig. Located in Newport Beach, CA. Send a nice note or phone call. He is a very customer-oriented, hands-on owner. I would be surprised if he or his folks don't deal with the issue. It will go back to the local GM at the center to handle, but with corporate direction.�
Nov 24, 2015
pdxgibby With the help of some fellow Tesla owners kicking around the most appropriate language, I made up some friendly business cards to leave behind when you get ICEd. I'll be shipping them in December. Head over to panjo to order a set of 50.
http://www.panjo.com/buy/iced-business-cards-237997
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This has got to be my favorite one. EPIC.�
Nov 24, 2015
Lloyd Can you make them with super STICKY glue on one side?�
Nov 24, 2015
pdxgibby Now that's not very nice, Lloyd. :biggrin:�
Nov 24, 2015
Lloyd I'll pay double!�
Nov 24, 2015
JenniferQ There are about 6-8 parking, not charging, spots at the new Trader Joe's nearby, but they are labeled Clean Air or CARPOOL vehicles. So, of course, they are full of SUVs empty of anything but mom getting some groceries. Who's to say she's not carpooling at some point in the day. 'Cause who carpools to the grocery store??�
Nov 24, 2015
Max* Those spots do more harm than good. People see them as social bullying, and it is. They serve no purpose (maybe besides LEED certification), and piss off everyone. ICE drivers are pissed off that EVs get priority, ICE drivers are pissed off and think EV drivers are tree hugging entitled liberals, EV drivers are pissed off that "their" spots are ICEd, etc.�
Nov 24, 2015
pdxgibby This.�
Nov 24, 2015
Zybane One word: caltrop.
Let's just say one may accidentally fall out of my pocket and land discreetly under an ICE vehicle's tire blocking a Tesla stall. They are going to be seriously inconvenienced for their decision.�
Nov 24, 2015
TEG Yeah, it does look like places seeking LEED credits:
So what we get is masses of "reserved" spaces that people just park in anyways:
Even the store uses one to hold shopping carts. I guess they got their "credit" and moved on.�
Nov 25, 2015
e-FTW This is my new favorite picture. Sigh...
Maybe LEED certifications should be revocable and have inspections done every five years or something.�
Nov 25, 2015
Kandiru For the tailpipe, just kidding:
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Nov 25, 2015
MorrisonHiker
Tailpipe exhaust whistle
Cheap enough that you could stock up and have a bunch on hand, for when the need arises. :wink:�
Nov 25, 2015
Max* I understand that the previous handful posts are done in humor, but... it's childish to think about vandalize a car for parking in the wrong spot. You're not going to change stubborn peoples perspectives. And if one of them sees this thread, they'll see it as an "us vs. them" scenario.�
Nov 25, 2015
MorrisonHiker Yeah. I would never actually condone touching/damaging another vehicle. I could see myself putting a note under the windshield wiper.�
Nov 25, 2015
yo mama And *that's* why we should revisit the sniper idea.�
Nov 25, 2015
Zybane So, since you aren't going to change "stubborn peoples perspectives", they should be let to do whatever they want with zero repercussions? How is that an answer. We live in a society, not anarchy. Granted, I would only whip out a caltrop under the most extreme circumstances. Like say a pickup truck and trailer someone posted blocking all 8 Tesla stalls. An egregious situation totally preventing charging.�
Nov 25, 2015
wdolson Some people have proposed some draconian things, but at least some of those people ICEing superchargers are just ignorant and some people may be parking there out of desperation (such as situations with superchargers in smallish hotel lots). And I'm sure some are just being jerks too. The problem is that unless you meet the person who did ICE the supercharger and learn their motive, you don't know.
People who aren't up on electric cars probably don't think about the analogy between chargers and gas pumps. ICEing a supercharger is like blocking all the pumps at the gas station. Just because it isn't at a gas station doesn't mean they aren't preventing you from refueling your car.�
Nov 25, 2015
Max* And this is what's wrong with society.
You can call the cops, but turning into a vigilante to prove a point? Sigh�
Nov 25, 2015
Zybane
Someone pulling into and blocking 8 Tesla bright red marked charging spots knows exactly what they are doing. No one is that blind or stupid. They simply do not care about anyone else but themselves. If there was absolutely no way I could charge, or the property owner couldn't locate the driver, or the police couldn't do anything due to the "weak" non-threat of towing signage Tesla and it's property owners have erected, yes; a caltrop may accidentally fall out of my pocket. The driver will care then.
BTW anyone who is a big enough douche-bag to blatantly park in a Tesla charge spot will laugh at your ICE'd business cards when they see them.�
Nov 26, 2015
Xenoilphobe We don't seem to have the same issues here in the Mid-Atlantic - yet. I have thought about carrying a tow rope for exactly this issue - i could loop it over my hitch and just pull one of the cars out..�
Nov 26, 2015
Max* Then we're going to have to disagree.
I agree with the last sentence, which is why I didn't order them.
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Dec 2, 2015
CSFTN Around here, people routinely ICE gas pumps. By that I mean they pull up to a pump, park, walk to the store which is sometimes a real/big store, leave their car at the pump not fueling, while shopping (for at least 30 minutes) then come back and fuel up.
Modern society seems to be exceptionally self centered.�
Dec 2, 2015
giantbeer When I did my first test drive, the Tesla guy was required to drive it out of the parking garage. He pulled into a gas station and parked it in front of a pump in order to do the switch and orient me to the car. Felt fitting.�
Dec 2, 2015
Bangor Bob Don't be destructive. Tape their valve stem cores to their windshield with a nice note*. No damage, but definitely some inconvenience...
*Don't actually do this.�
Dec 2, 2015
wdolson Strange, I've never seen that. All gas stations on the west coast I can think of have parking next to the mini-mart and anyone going to the mini-mart without buying gas park there.�
Dec 3, 2015
Olle Why not plant some tall dry grass or something else combustible in the middle of the spots. Park an EV, no problem :smile: But. If it touches the glowing catalytic converter under an ICE...
It is not vandalism, just self inflicted damage to whomever ignites it.
Ok, just kidding�
Dec 3, 2015
S'toon That reminds me of a story of my early days in the army, but it's off topic.�
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