Oct 4, 2012
Model S Man Has anyone that ordered the optional jump seats had their car delivered?
If so, have they been installed yet? If not, is there a timeline for the eventual installation of the seats. Also, has there been a formal answer from Tesla why they haven't been installed yet? Is it a supplier issue or a regulatory issue. I want to take delivery of my car with these seats, but will likely have to defer if its not ready? also, any other major check list things not installed other than these seats? Many thanks in advance�
Oct 4, 2012
rolosrevenge Elon's has, but I don't know about anyone else.�
Oct 4, 2012
Model S Man anyone else that has taken delivery? I am on the 30-day clock right now would be a real big help to understand what I should be expecting thanks�
Oct 4, 2012
sublimaze1 - and - whether or not the jump seats would delay the delivery if they are not "available" yet ...�
Oct 4, 2012
Blurry_Eyed I haven't taken delivery yet, but I did order the rear jump seats and it doesn't appear to be delaying my order. I'm Reg. Sig #267 and my delivery window right now is October 8-22nd. As soon as I get the car, I'll let everyone know if they delivered with the seats or if it's on the 'due bill' list.�
Oct 4, 2012
sublimaze1 Perfect. Do you mind throwing a kiddo in there for a picture simply for size ratio?�
Oct 4, 2012
Blurry_Eyed Will do! Have an 8 year old boy who is about 45 inches and around 50 pounds and a 4 year old girl who is about 35 pounds and maybe 39 inches (I think. My wife would probably scoff at me for not knowing their sizes better!). I'll get them in the seats as soon as we have them and get a picture of them both in the seats.�
Oct 4, 2012
gg_got_a_tesla FWIW, Arnold Panz had some great pics of his kids in the rear jump seats of a beta: Rear jump seats - Page 5�
Oct 4, 2012
Arnold Panz I should have my car by the end of the month. I asked if the jump seats caused a delay, and was told no, and other than the HPWC, there is no more punch list for those getting cars. I'll take pics of the kids in the jump seats once I have the car (ages 10, 8 and 5).�
Oct 4, 2012
ddenboer I to am getting the jump seats, and hope to get my car within the next three weeks (Oct 14-28 delivery at factory). Within 18 hours of getting the car, I will post pics... First drive brings us to Harris Ranch for dinner
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Oct 4, 2012
ChadS I also am still waiting for my HPC-to-S adapter that I ordered with, and paid for with the car. But like the HPWC, it's not really a part of the car...just something you need to make it get ready to go quickly! They don't have a date, but say they are "hurrying".
Winter wheel/tire sets are not available yet either; though those were ordered separately (but still a long time ago). Supposedly they will be in early next week.
Once somebody gets the jumpseats, it would be nice to see a picture of them folded in to the footwell. Is there still room to store little things in there with them? Or does it all come flying out when you unfold them?�
Oct 5, 2012
sublimaze1 <light bulb>
Just thinking how much nicer a ride it will be on the way do dinner with the four girls with the two younger ones in the back back back seat. Please let me know how the decibels of whining, bickering, and yelling bounce off the pano roof toward the pilot's position, please. .....�
Oct 5, 2012
Model S Man thanks everyone for replying....and again would love to see some pictures.....i think i will wait to configure with seats until i hear from some of you guys.....if its only a few more days i have some time. Thanks again in advance�
Oct 5, 2012
Blurry_Eyed I'll definitely be able to give you a report on this when I put my kids back there! :smile:�
Oct 5, 2012
CalEECS I'm also supposed to have Sig Perf #551 delivered between today (no call, so I guess not) and Oct 19th, with the Pano and the child seats. Looks like if the jump seats were a problem they definitely are not anymore.�
Oct 6, 2012
Trnsl8r Related post on a different thread: Rear jump seats - Page 7
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Oct 8, 2012
Model S Man So does back ordered mean that if i order the seats when i finalize that they will not come installed? if no one has received a Model S with the 3rd row seats how can they be back ordered? Also, any timeline suggested by Tesla when they could get them? curious since i wasnt a Roadster owner what happened with the carbon fiber hard tops?�
Oct 8, 2012
sublimaze1 I specifically asked my rep on Thursday if anything (rear seats, 19" wheels, etc.) was a show stopper. He said, "no" - nothing is showing as holding the order up or delaying it.
FWIW.�
Oct 8, 2012
Dirk the Daring My wife is concerned about the climate in the jump seats, and I haven't yet found a satisfactory report...
So if anyone gets the jump seats, I'd love a report on how it is back there on a sunny day. (We are in Colorado, so sun is a concern. Enough so that we are pretty wishy-washy on the roof style as well.)�
Oct 8, 2012
shokunin I too am concerned about heat back there. I'll be putting as much infra-red rejecting tint as possible, but airflow seems questionable for the back seat and jump seats.�
Oct 9, 2012
Model S Man Are there AC ducts in the back, if not i would be concerned as well....still no one has sent real time pics of the seats installed in a model S with all the deliveries 500? i am surprised not one person has gotten these yet?�
Oct 9, 2012
Arnold Panz It's not all that surprising -- most people with young kids don't have too much extra time to post on message boards!�
Oct 14, 2012
BryanW Does anyone have an update on the rear facing seats?
Has anyone, other than Elon, received them?�
Oct 14, 2012
DrTaras Model S Man, you're asking the right questions and its as if you're in my brain as I was discussing it with that guy who got his S with the rear seats back ordered; he has 4 kids and a wife so said, right now, someone has to stay home! :tongue:
I was mentioning to him that it was like the Roadster carbon fiber hard tops all over again! Though honestly, that was a matter of form whereas this is a more important matter of function! That being said, how does a guy who has 8 posts and joined 17 months ago even know about that carbon fiber hard top issue unless you're really OCD about reading through ALL posts on TMC, and then your knowledge would rival Doug, VFX and TEG amongst others?�
Oct 22, 2012
Model S Man DrTaras, thanks for the reply....i think I might be getting into the OCD category as I have been reading just about everything on the car. I opted to defer my reservation since no one has effectively answered the question i posed and like you said its not a cosmetic thing i am upset about, but a functional one. It is my understanding that with the deferral i can jump back in the line when i change my mind so really not losing much by doing this...and gaining peace of mind before i have to spend +$80k on a new car that is more of a luxury than a need I currently drive a Lexus 450h hybrid.
Anyway, hoping someone will get the seats and be able to show me they are installed somewhat soon, thanks again in advance�
Oct 22, 2012
CalEECS Got my car yesterday, but without the seats.
There are no holes or mounting hardware visible, so it seems like installing the seats might be a serious job, requiring the whole back carpet and perhaps part of the deck below to be replaced. The problem with the rear seats must be serious if they are willing to ship cars and do a significant retrofit afterward.�
Oct 22, 2012
sublimaze1 I see two types of serious:
(1) Serious as in "we want to keep the cars rolling out, so any non safety issue item (parcel shelf, third seats, etc.) will not delay shipment
or
(2) Serious as in "the seat belts, buckles, etc. are sub-standard and we need to re-engineer it.
I am guessing #1.�
Oct 22, 2012
shokunin There are two mounting anchors next to each wheel well that will stick up from the carpet (they look like Latch anchors, U-shaped metal attachment). Another one behind back seat center headrest is a mounting plate with two more anchors and a paddle release to fold down the seats. Plus the seats have to attach the wall of the well area for it to fold down. They are either going to have to replace the carpet that is precut for the holes when they install the anchors and hinges or cut holes in the existing carpet. My guess, they'll give you new carpet.
I do not know who took this picture, but it shows the three anchor points:
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Oct 22, 2012
kevincwelch I'm hoping it's #1 as well, and along with the missing parcel shelves and HPWC, Tesla likely has important things to iron out and get their cars out. However, I do not see how these seemingly functional jump seats can be installed on betas and on Elon's car yet not be installed on cars in production. I can't see how this is any less complex to put in as a sectional piece like any other aspect of placing any other seat in the car.
We have yet to see any real safety data on the car in general, less so the jump seats.
I'm guessing it is a combination of issues.�
Oct 22, 2012
Brandonm I would guess it's either they don't even have the jumpseats to send out (the ones seen at events being hand made proofs for examples), or they don't want to send the jump seats out without safety data first.�
Oct 22, 2012
DrTaras I think this IS a serious issue. If you went out and purchased a 5 passenger car and they gave you a 2 passenger car with a promise to add the rear 3-passenger seat at another time, I don't think this thread would only have 31 posts! It is the perception that the extra 2 seats are frivolous, but yet just look at TV ads from a cadre of manufacturers which tout 7-passenger cars & SUVs. This is more concerning, IMHO than somebody's VIN being different than what they were promised, or a delay of a month or 2 or 3 more than what they were promised, both of which got serious real estate in a recent memo from VP George! What the bleep! :cursing:�
Oct 22, 2012
Trnsl8r Did they still charge you the $1500?�
Oct 22, 2012
ddenboer This was my number one reason for purchasing this car over all others in this category, so I hope we get some explanation soon!�
Oct 22, 2012
CalEECS Yup, paid the full MVPA price and the seats are on a Due Bill.�
Oct 23, 2012
KBF I hope it's ironed out before I get mine; I also have 4 kids and a great wife who graciously agreed to my crazy Tesla plan. I was hoping to have an all-electric garage by next year. Thankfully I was already planning on keeping my SUV for a few months longer, but my family will be UNHAPPY if we can't use the S for normal driving. In a recent article from Vancouver (it's in a Canadian thread here somewhere) the journalist mentioned the jump seats were not approved by Transport Canada yet: is waiting for approval in the USA as well? Does anyone actually know?�
Oct 23, 2012
andystj +1
Our family or six requires the jump-seats, and their existence was an important factor in our purchase-decision. We can cope for a while, but this isn't a convenience feature for us. If there is an engineering or safety issue behind the delay, the folks at Tesla better have sufficient engineering resources devoted to coming up with a better than adequate solution. If it's a supplier issue, they need to do what it takes to expedite the process. In either case, a "due bill" won't get my kids to our destination, and I was planning on selling the minivan.
Andy�
Oct 23, 2012
Arnold Panz Elon has stated in the past that the rear seats will be the "safest" in the car, and he personally spent a lot of time working on making those seats safe. Not just to take his word for it, but I feel mpretty comfortable with Elon and company working on the engineering and physics of making those rear seats as safe as possible.
I also expect that things like these seats, and the app, will come with time. As an early adopter, I absolutely anticipated that things wouldn't be perfect for me as they will for people getting their cars next spring. I can be patient once I have the car in my hands. The kids will have to "suffer" in the regular back seat for a little while.�
Oct 23, 2012
FlasherZ As a father of 4 boys, unfortunately it's a no-go until the seats are installed. This means all family trips are in my wife's gas-guzzler until they're delivered.
That doesn't mean, of course, that I won't be enjoying it for trips that don't involve the whole family.�
Oct 24, 2012
Robert.Boston I was looking at the partially skinned Model S frame in the Houston Galleria not-a-store; you should have no doubts about the safety of the rear seats. They are guarded on either side by two very beefy octagonal beams, and a mean-looking slab of boron steel as the rear "bumper". And, of course, these seats will be secure in a side impact collisions, as they're sitting above the steel axles and powertrain gear. It's also been shown that rear-facing seats are safer--the possibility of whiplash is greatly reduced. The American Association of Pediatrics endorses rear-facing seats for as long as your child can fit in them.
So, now Telsa just needs to start shipping them. Very odd that there is this delay -- they've known for months how many they need.�
Oct 24, 2012
sublimaze1 I am in a different position than FlasherZ and others in that I purchased the rear seats as an adjunct to my daily lifestyle (e.g. if I look at my use of my vehicle right now, I rarely carry the 6yr and 3 yr old around anywhere, Diana does it).
And the 17 and 14 year old (if I can ever find them) can't fit, or they are in the 17 year old's car doing this or that. It is only when we drive to Houston (I am in Dallas) with all 6 of us, or go to a full family function (getting rarer and rarer as we age and the teenagers priorities change). I guess I am okay (personally) if the seats do not arrive with the car right away, but it certainly is another harbinger of bad news (albeit small bad news) for this fledgeling company if they cannot get it right.�
Oct 24, 2012
Model S Man i hate to be the person who fans the flames, but why would it be a safety issue? I assume when Tesla got the approval from the DOT for production of the car they would have also received approval for the seats, I get that they were optional but the data should have been comprehensive to include the seats, no? It must be a supplier issue at this point? has anyone tried talking to people within Tesla to confirm or deny this? If it's a safety issue this will open a whole can of worms, but I am sure it is also something that can be remedied with a bit of engineering. Now that I am deferred i can be on the sidelines and wait it out for a bit, but it does have to get resolved before I commit? Anyone else have some thoughts or insight?�
Oct 24, 2012
ElSupreme I have a feeling that this may actually be a legal/regulatory issue. I am sure they were NHSTA/DOT crash tested.
I wouldn't be surprised if there are states that have laws against this style of seat.
or
My other thought is Tesla is putting together specific guidelines on weight/height limits for the seats before they give them out. To be legal I would imagine they would have to do this.�
Oct 24, 2012
Zextraterrestrial Many Volvos wagons have seats like this, or did. The S seats are not supposedly installable/removable by customers probably for safety/regulatory issues. I think personally think most of the problems with delays have to do with external manufacturers not meeting Tesla/German standards.�
Oct 24, 2012
Brandonm That was not the impression I was given when I asked a rep about it at the Not-store in Bellevue a few weeks back.�
Oct 24, 2012
jerry33 Unfortunately, "making them as safe as possible" and "conforming with the regulations" aren't the same thing.�
Oct 24, 2012
PeterW You are right, and from what I can remember (do not have a link) they tested way beyond what the regulations required and still passed.�
Oct 24, 2012
Arnold Panz Agreed. Based on a post in a other thread, it sounds like its a regulatory issue, not a supplier issue, which isn't surprising.
Actually, my eight year old has told me she's concerned about the safety of the seats. She knows from school that most collisions are rear-end, so she is concerned of she sits back there. Smart girl, and I'd like to be able to assuage her (and her mom's) concerns with some data, more than Elon just saying "trust me!"�
Oct 24, 2012
PeterW See Crash testing ratings�
Oct 24, 2012
sublimaze1 Spoke specifically to my OE Rep today, Sean. I directly asked him if the delivery of cars without the third row seats was a safety issue, crash test issue, or safety failure issue and his response was "no, not to my knowledge"
Okay, very appropriate, considering the political flavor of our nation currently, but I did not stop there. I asked if the seats had any mechanical issue that prevented them from being shipped.
His response was (and I paraphrase): The seats that were in the demo models were beta. They met all the safety requirements, but were not the final design. Whereas the dimensions of the seat were to fit 35-74 lb children from X to Y inches in height, the final produce will be similar, if not the same as the beta. The VINs that are being shipped sans third row (e.g. due bill) have the D-rings and latches on the rear of the second seat in anticipation of installation of the third row
Now, I did not ask him if it was a Ranger install, or a DIY.
So that's all I got.
WJ�
Oct 24, 2012
DrTaras It probably was not intentional, but of course there is a difference between waiting for an app and waiting for a 3rd row. :wink:�
Oct 25, 2012
Arnold Panz Of course you are right. I was only trying to make the point that I'd rather get my car and have a due bill for certain things than wait until I can get the car with everything perfect. When people talk about "early adopters" for this car, this seems like a reasonable thing to expect, as long as it doesn't take too long for the seats to get installed.�
Oct 25, 2012
DrTaras Oh, I think I fit the bill there�
Oct 27, 2012
gg_got_a_tesla Since Elon drove with his kids in the jump seats on I-5, there are presumably no legal/regulatory issues with them?!
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Oct 31, 2012
Model S Man So now that we have seen about 900 VINS and maybe 500 deliveries has anyone else had the rear facing seats delivered or installed? Seeing Elon driving the car with all the seats leads me to believe there is no regulatory issues as some surmise? So what could it possibly be at this point? The car was pitched as a 5+2 seater and I intend to use it that way when I eventually take delivery, but I will remain deferred until I can see some real progress on this issue other than pictures of Elon's one car with the seats. Has anyone gotten any concrete responses from tesla and for those that have received the car with the due bill items doesn't it annoy you that you have pre-paid for something you have yet to receive? I think this message might have a more negative tone but with each day I get a bit more antsy about what to do, so sorry in advance.�
Oct 31, 2012
Robert.Boston VIN 365 was just delivered and, the owner reports, included the rear-facing seats.�
Oct 31, 2012
mlascano Not really. He states rear facing seats are on his due bill:
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Oct 31, 2012
Arnold Panz I was given the impression not to expect the rear facing seats at least until year-end at the earliest. I wouldn't expect to see them before Q1 next year, and that may be optimistic. I imagine that there are other issues besides regulatory, but officially there is no one particular reason for the delay. For anyone who really needs the extra two seats daily, this could be an issue until they're included some time next year (hopefully early next year) in cars being delivered.�
Oct 31, 2012
DrTaras Can you elaborate from whom?�
Nov 1, 2012
Arnold Panz From my DS (a vague statement mentioning year-end). I don't think he had any special insight or knowledge, but just the impression I got was it was going to be awhile. The rest is my extrapolation based on previous experience with Tesla. I mean, they're delivering cars without parcel shelves and rear floor mats, which don't seem to be particularly complex items to manufacture or install, so rear facing seats, which are an order of magnitude much more complex in both areas, I would expect a significant lag time.
I should add that I asked someone in HQ about the root cause of the delay, whether it was a supplier delay, or a regulatory thing, such that as soon as the problem was resolved they'd start production and installation. The response was that there is no official response, which I infer to mean its not just one little thing that's holding this up, and they're not that close to getting them ready for installation. I recall (not for where) hearing that Elon's seats are betas, so just because he has them doesn't mean we'll have the production version within a month or two. Just my educated guess based on what I've heard (or haven't heard).�
Nov 1, 2012
DrTaras I'd have to concur with your inferences based on what you've shared. Thank you�
Nov 27, 2012
DrTaras I received this e-mail update through some back channels. It is from a Tesla high level employee in Ownership Experience dated 11/20/12:
"George asked me to reach out on his behalf to provide further information about the rear facing seats.
Rear facing seats will become available in early January.
Taking into account the backlog, I would estimate delivery for customers will take place in late January early February."
It does not address who will get them 1st, new owners or 'due bill' owners.
Of those 'due bill' owners it does not address what the priority for installation nor the process for the installation (time with the car, etc.) will be.
I choose not to speculate here on that. :wink:�
Nov 27, 2012
byt My son bugs me everyday now about the jump seats. "When will they come daddy, when, WHEN?" I am tempted to say, here is the e-mail kid, ask them yourself.�
Nov 27, 2012
mlascano Hope your source has correct info on the "Jan/Feb" date. My 4-yo twins won't stop bugging me until they get to ride back there :biggrin:
Expecting delivery in the next few days, hopefully they will retrofit us Sigs with the rear seats on due bill as soon as they become available.�
Nov 27, 2012
FlasherZ DS told me Saturday when delivering the car that "early February" was the current date they were giving out for install.�
Dec 11, 2012
sublimaze1 found a good temporary solution. It is rather cheap, and they seem to fit the bill quite well. You (and your spouse) must be comfortable with the weight limitations and your child's comfort, but they fit well in the bucket seats in the back, are made for narrow three-abreast-backseats, and have a bottom specifically made not to mar the material.
http://www.target.com/p/harmony-cruz-booster-seat/-/A-13981480#guest-reviews
They got a bad review, but I am sure they would if you tried to put it in a mini van or a normal SUV. Not made for that. I like them. And in February, they go to donation.�
Dec 13, 2012
mlascano Here's another temporary solution while our jump seats arrive.
I found these at Target, Cosco No Back Booster for $12.99
Here it is pictured next to the Harmony Cruz sublimaze1 suggests above:
And here is a pic of 3 of them in the car (they fit nicely):
I'll keep all 3 in the car (3 boys ages 6, 4 and 4), and whenever space is needed for adults in the back row I'll store them in the frunk.�
Dec 13, 2012
Arnold Panz Have you tried to close the seat belts with all three of the seats in the back like that? It's still not easy for me to get the seat belt inserted, and I only have one booster that I think it skinnier than either of these. The one that I had that looks like these (maybe an earlier version of the Cosco) completely covered the seat belt insert such that I couldn't use it because I couldn't shut the seat belt. I posted photos in the Owners Experience sticky thread.
Maybe in subsequent models they made it thinner so that it was easier to access the seat belts, but you may want to double-check.�
Dec 13, 2012
sublimaze1 That gave me my day's laugh. Thank you, byt.�
Dec 13, 2012
mlascano I did seat my 3 kids last night and buckled them in, no problem. These Cosco boosters are pretty skinny (sorry, didn't take width measurements).
I do plan to add car seat covers for each booster (the bottom is smooth plastic but don't want to take any chances and mess up the leather seats). Hopefully these won't pose an obstacle when trying to reach the belt insert. If they do, I'll update this thread.�
Dec 13, 2012
sublimaze1 The harmony cruz are even skinnier, and (if you did not have bucket seats) they would be pre-disposed to tipping. Diana says they are just fine with a 39 and a 45 lb kid. As for the bottom, I agree that you would need to take some care with seat covers or with a towel ... but the Cruz has a fabric on the bottom to help with that.�
Jan 9, 2013
rwang Installed this morning at the Fremont Service center. They are pretty slick in how they work. You pretty much fold them into each other and then flip it into that open space in the trunk. Here are the pix.
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Jan 9, 2013
widodh Nice! And you got a free charge as well.
What is your res number for reference to other users?�
Jan 9, 2013
HFh Outstanding! I actually re-did my pre-MVPA after my 8 & 5 year old came to me and demanded that I get them. Kids today!
Hm. I wonder if this means that those of them who ordered them but haven't yet gotten our cars will have them installed.�
Jan 9, 2013
Plug Me In Hey RW - What's a ball park on ages/sizes that would fit in those? You think up to early teen 5'5"? Thanks!�
Jan 9, 2013
kevincwelch Cupholders!�
Jan 9, 2013
sublimaze1 Any chance (@rwang) you can upload a video of them folding? What does one do with the "lid" when the seats are up and feet dangle in that general direction? Leave it home?�
Jan 9, 2013
Trnsl8r Awesome, thanks for posting.
How do they attach to the back seat when folded up to use?
And yes, a reservation number for reference would be great, I'm itching to get mine installed.�
Jan 9, 2013
FlasherZ You put it on the parcel shelf and it becomes a bar.�
Jan 9, 2013
grisnjam I am going to say no, here is my 8 year old testing them out in a beta car. She is tall for 8, maybe 4' 10'':
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Jan 9, 2013
Jkam Nice!
What do you do with the lid to the well in the trunk when the kids are sitting in the rear seats? Is there someplace to stash it in the car, or do you leave it in the garage?�
Jan 9, 2013
mlascano Glad to hear these are starting to roll out.
I called Chicago Service to inquire if they were aware that this installation had been reported on TMC --> they weren't and hadn't heard anything officially from headquarters.
I do hope they give priority for a retrofit install to Sigs who have been waiting for these for quite some time (tired of doing the 3-booster seat thing for my kids).�
Jan 9, 2013
rwang Sizes...
I don't think 5/5 would work. looks like under 4'10"
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Jan 9, 2013
derekt75 Here's what I found on the internet:
Rear facing seats are child restraint systems and must only be used for children over 37� tall and weighting between 35 and 77 lbs. Always ensure the top of the child�s head can not contact the vehicle and that the child is seated comfortably with the seat belts positioned and latched correctly. Follow all instructions provided and do not use supplemental child restraint systems in these seats.�
Jan 9, 2013
Bruto.Maccaroni Can you completely remove the seats and leve them in the garage if you need all the space in the trunk for luggage? It would be great to have them in the car for normal everyday use and be able to take them completely out for a vacation trip.�
Jan 10, 2013
HFh I believe the answer is "yes, but it requires tools". Maybe it's actually really easy, but that's the impression I got from asking tesla folk: seats are installed and in-installed�
Jan 10, 2013
sublimaze1 Which is a far cry from my brother and I back in the 70s (granted, this is a stock photo, but you get the point)
Ours was not a Saab, but a Chevy and there were no belts, no height requirement, and if we took dad's Cutlass, we laid on the window shelf in the back.�
Jan 10, 2013
SteveH Even 4'10" might be pushing it. I was originally thinking about getting the seats until my very petite 15 year old daughter and I went to the Houston Gallery to sit in the car ourselves. While we loved the car, at 5'2" she looked like Gulliver when sitting in the rear facing seats. Her entire head was sticking out of the car.�
Jan 10, 2013
mcornwell I haven't tried it, but I'm guessing it will fit in the frunk.�
Jan 10, 2013
rlpm Does anyone have a definitive answer from Tesla as to whether the rear facing jump seats can be purchased later? Or must the hardware to which they're attached be installed at production time? A search of posts here results in some that say these seats can be installed later and others that say they cannot.
I'd greatly appreciate if anyone with the jump seats could compare their trunk to that of a car ordered without the jump seats (with pictures, please). Thanks.�
Jan 10, 2013
DrMikki We are getting our Model S with the rear facing seats. Our son is currently 14 months old, and on the small side (29" and 21 lbs), so looks like we may have a while to go before we can use them. Slightly off-topic, but any advice for which car seat will work best in the back seat of the Model S, preferably with a center-seat installation? We currently have a Britax Marathon but will probably leave that installed in our ICE vehicle.
Thank to the OP for the pics of the rear seats installed. We had only seen the beta at the Scottsdale store. They look great!�
Jan 10, 2013
desiguy How comfortable is for kids in the buy during the ride? I am worried about motion sickness.. are these comfortable for kids?�
Jan 10, 2013
Krugerrand Ah, the good ole days.�
Jan 10, 2013
rcc I've been told before by Tesla people more than once that the seats have to be ordered with the car. I think because the mount points for the seats can't be added in later.�
Jan 10, 2013
strider That just doesn't make sense from a manufacturing standpoint. That would be a major difference to the rear subframe. My guess is they just cover the mount points w/ dynamat and carpet.�
Jan 10, 2013
Jkam I was told that the seats should be ordered with the car.
The mounts can be added later, but it will cost more than if you order it upfront.
Once the mounts are in, the seats can be removed and put back. However, it is suggested that a Tesla technician/ranger do it - i.e. not something we should do on our own.
I guess information on the back seats, like most things at Tesla, varies by which rep you talk to.�
Jan 10, 2013
Kauai How did you find out the seats were available for installation? Did Tesla contact you? I am quite interested in crossing rear facing child seats off my due bill...�
Jan 10, 2013
MikeK I believe the rear seats (i.e. the second row) are different in a car equipped for the third row seats. At least when I saw one of the cars at Menlo Park that had the third row, there were latch points in the back of the second row seats. I'm not 100% sure this was the final design, and this area is not shown in rwang's photos, but perhaps somebody who is owed the third row seats can confirm?
Anyway, I did not order the third row, and I do not have these latch points in my second row seats. If the design is as I saw, then I imagine that a retrofit of the third row might require replacing the second row as well.�
Jan 10, 2013
Florent I really hope this is not true.�
Jan 10, 2013
Jeeps17 I also remember reading that the glass panel in the rear hatch is different (provides extra UV and/or IR shielding), which the car not ordered with 3rd row seating will not have. FWIW.�
Jan 10, 2013
DrMikki I found this pic on another thread. I like this seat, the Combi Cocorro. I don't think any of the color options will match our Model S (Green Metallic, Grey leather).
Sorry for being off-topic though�
Jan 10, 2013
kvietor This is a shot of the back of the center seat in my S. Awaiting the aft facing seats.
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Jan 10, 2013
MikeK Yup! That's exactly it. I do not have that in my car.�
Jan 10, 2013
Kauai Interesting. I am also awaiting rear facing seats, but do not have those latches on the 2nd row. I got my car a few months ago, and perhaps they had not finalized the design at that point. I wonder if this means they will have to remake all or part of the 2nd row for those of us with early deliveries?�
Jan 10, 2013
Trnsl8r Same here, and I got my car a month ago...�
Jan 11, 2013
kvietor Don't know what to say. My car was delivered on 30 Sep.�
Jan 11, 2013
sublimaze1 I too:
(1) do not have those anchor points
(2) have had my car over a month
(3) Ordered the third row seats with original bill of sale.
One wonders ....
- addendum -> If I feel with my hand along the upper border of the middle second row seat, I can feel the anchor points under the carpet. Those who have stated they don't see them, feel and see if you can palpate the structure that some see in the earlier versions of the anchor assembly.�
Jan 11, 2013
byt SAME HERE! Guess it's time to visit the Menlo Park Store and ask?�
Jan 11, 2013
jomo25 Anyone who DIDN'T order the child seats feel the same anchor points under the carpet?�
Jan 11, 2013
NigelM Note to all: please try to include a link to the OP/source if you use someone else's pic.�
Jan 11, 2013
Ceilidh One thing I noted in reference to the photo with 3 baby seats across the back is that the user manual for the Model S very specifically states not to use more than 2 at a time in the second row. May just be legal, but FWIW it should probably be pointed out.
With people reporting difficulties using the seat belts with booster seats, I'm hoping that the Recaro seats I have for my kids will fit. They are advertised as fitting a lot of sports cars so my guess is that they had narrow seats in mind at the time of production but who knows. I can let you all know when I get the car on that point.
It will be interesting to see if they start delivering the seats in place now with new car builds. I ordered the jump seats and will be getting the car before the end of the month (if all goes well) so I can let you know if nobody finds out before me.
Cheers.�
Jan 11, 2013
FlasherZ I remember it saying never to attach more than 2 seats with the LATCH points, but I don't think it said not to use 3 seats. It would mean one would have to be buckled in.
When I inquired, I was told they just started doing installs and the supply is still very, very tight for the seats. My guess is that they still have a ramp-up period in front of them for a few more weeks. My car is in the Chicago service center for a bunch of stuff and I was hoping we could clear some due-bill items out of the way too...�
Jan 11, 2013
kishdude I didn't order the jump seats and as I feel in the back of the seat, I do feel the indentations where the latches are supposed to be, but these are just indentations, I don't feel anything like a latch. There are indentations in other areas of the seat as well.�
Jan 11, 2013
MikeK I have just palpated my seats. (I'm pretty sure that would be illegal in Mississippi and Utah... :tongue
Anyway, yes, the anchor points are present under the leather, and I did not order the third row seats. So, that's good news. That suggests that they're all this way, and it's just a matter of installing the plastic trim piece and trimming the leather at the proper location.
Edit to respond to kishdude: if I press in deeply enough, I can feel the metal bars running horizontally across those indentations. I think that's what the latches on the seat hook onto.�
Jan 15, 2013
Ceilidh
Agree. With one using the seat belt you would be ok.
I also enquired about my jump seats when I scheduled my delivery for the 26th of this month. They will be a due bill item for me as well.
Cheers.�
Jan 15, 2013
gsxrex Does anybody know about the structural rigidity of the rear? The first thing my wife said when I told her about the seats was "what if we get slammed from the back?". I'm hoping that the area where the kids would have their feet would remain intact in an accident.
Now I just need to get my two year old to grow a few more inches and bulk up a few pounds before the car and seats arrive. She'll probably get jealous if my boy is in the back by himself and shes in the second row. Hoping to avoid putting their current Recaro seats in the second row.�
Jan 15, 2013
Ceilidh Tell your wife that Elon specified that he wanted the Model S built with NHTSA 5 star crash ratings across the board. then tell her he has the jump seats in his own car. He was pretty specific about safety all around. The independent results are not released yet though. Hope that helps.
FWIW, I'm an Emergency Medicine specialist and have seen a ton of horrific rollover trauma victims and I'm putting my kids in the jump seats. I would worry less about their feet than making sure they are not too tall for the seats. The top of the car is supposed to be strong for rollovers and such, but if the child is too tall and has their head up in the corner of the glass then that could be an issue. But if used as specified in the manual they should be safe enough. Just my 2 cents, and my opinion alone. Good luck with the spouse convincing! Your great great grandchildren will thank you when they can breathe
Cheers.�
Jan 15, 2013
gsxrex Yeah, I'm not worried. I still ordered the seats anyway. I have a couple years of use ahead for these seats as my kids are only 2 and 5, and the 5 year old is on the short side, just like his mom. Should be able to fit easily under the glass for a while. :biggrin:�
Jan 15, 2013
Jkam I actually remember talking to someone at Tesla - I think at the October Open House in 2011 - that said the safest place in the car may be the rear seats. Structurally I think they designed the rear to be super safe.�
Jan 15, 2013
EarlyAdopter The Model S is unique, I believe, in that is has the same impact beams in the rear as it does in the front. Also, the rear hatch glass is the same laminated safety glass as the front windshield. It was clearly designed with occupant safety for the rear jump seats foremost in mind. Though, we won't know the results of all that work for certain until independent testing is done.
2012 Tesla Model S First Drive - Motor Trend
"Double-octagon extrusions form the front and rear crumple-zone structures, which are claimed to outperform federal standards, especially in back, where the car was impact tested at 50 mph as well as the mandatory 35. The roof crush resistance is also double the requirement (it broke the crush machine), and the rigid battery pack greatly restricts side-impact intrusion."�
Jan 16, 2013
MikeK You can easily feel the impact beams in the rear -- on the left side, where there's a little storage well, you can actually reach in and under, towards the center of the car. Your hand is now under the double octagon beam.�
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